Posts by 1Rafayal

Re: woe is Microsoft!

I was going to give a serious response to this, then I read it out loud.

Re: @Tom 38

winning? really?

If you are concerned that people are developing against the "wrong" environment, then you have a lot more worries to contend with than a linux subsystem for windows.. Which I think pretty much echoes a previous comment.

Re: Can someone explain the point?

The same question has been asked do answered a number of times already.

The point is that it makes it easier for developers working in a Microsoft environment to integrate with non Microsoft environments. You know, like not needing to leave Visual Studio at all.

Again, as so many people have pointed out already, the concept isn't new. Microsoft had Windows services for unix for example. Also, there is the andLinux project which goes a lot further, but imo is very shakey.

Also, the most popular OS running on Azure is Linux I believe, thus defining the use case as potentially being. Net developers who are working with a Linux on Azure from a Windows desktop.

Re: I think I've figure it out!

So your revelation is that Ubuntu is trying to use Microsoft to provide a superior gui to present it's distro.

Really?

Cygwin isn't Linux.

Re: @Tom 38

Tabor, he is just speaking in general terms.

Obviously the fear of random "Windows" developers deploying things to a box he has in the cupboard under the stairs keeps him awake at night.

Re: Interesting

I know, those xboxes sucked major dick and their office suite is used by no one.

Don't know how they made it out of the 90's

Re: "Remix OS with...

One of the major complaints of Windows 8 was that MS were perceived as assuming everyone would be using a touch interface in some way to control their computer of choice.

Whilst the architecture and usability of this OS is commendable in its current form, what is the expected benefit of bringing an entire ecosystem of touchscreen based applications to the desktop?

The main product is the UltraTablet, which looks like a Chinese knock off Surface. The unique selling point for the mini seems to be a capacitive power button.

I can see what they are trying to do and its a fairly good idea, but I get the feeling that for this to work they need to have compelling hardware and right now, imho, they dont. I wouldnt want this installed on my own personal machine as I like playing games and I wouldnt see the need for installing it on a USB drive to boot from whatever machine as I would normally be carrying an Android phone and/or tablet.

For me personally, I would much prefer this to be installed on my phone and have the ability to hook that up to a monitor, keyboard and mouse either via USB or bluetooth.

Re: Mobes replacing enterprise desktops?

captain badmouth, you are talking out of your arse. Windows 10 does not install itself.

Even the link you provided didnt affect all Windows users and would only affect those who chose to automatically download and install the available updates.

As we can tell from you malformed posts, she didnt let her laptop automatically install Windows 10, nor did she click on a button to automatically install it - you already told us you were updating her latop. Did you just see it in the list of available updates or something? This made your blood boil so much? The mere thought of your daughter using something made by Microsoft was so disgusting that you had to go out there and add to the blazing bonfire that is the current public perception of Windows 10 by, wait for it, lying?

Fuck me, I wonder how many more lying cunts like you are out there.

Re: Picking the data that suits your argument

I dont know, Android gaming is pretty huge. Especially if you take into account how many people are playing Clash of Clans on the train home each night, and Android is sort of a Linux - in the same way that the Xbox One is sort of a Windows.

Re: You can't use tablets for everything

and no one is forcing you to.

Even if tablets replaced desktops and laptops, there would still be keyboards.

Re: Picking the data that suits your argument

I dont know how big the games industry is for Windows these days.

Does it cost more for a developer to make a Linux version of a cross platform game? And even then, is there enough of a market place for it?

Here is an interesting example, Kerbal Space Prorgam has been chugging along on 64 bit Linux for quite some time. It plays like a dream. The latest preview of the Windows version has only just brought 64 bit support in. This version has been rebuilt against a new engine and comes with a new physics engine etc and has primarily been put together for the upcoming console release. None of this has brought many changes to the Windows (or indeed Linux) version of the game, so how relevant is Windows 10 to the gaming community?

(gamer here, I use lots of OS's, mainly old Windows, to play games)

the down votes were probably because something sensible was said about Windows.

Point to note, the dreaded telemetry and data slurping were added to Windows 7 & 8: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/01/microsoft_backports_data_slurp_to_windows_78_via_patches/

Re: They have hired top Linux people before

It's a free OS, not just a free upgrade.

You can choose to upgrade from your existing installation of windows or you can choose to to an install from scratch.

I cannot see how Windows is still Microsoft's main cash supply. They make way more money selling one office licence. You can go further, just one MSDN subscription blows the cost of a Windows 10 Home install dvd with COA.

As for promoting another OS, I am not entirely sure how you got to this "point", but anyway... Microsoft doesn't need to promote Linux, it never has - Linux does a good job of that all by itself.

As for your "Windows server hell" scenario, well, do you Internet?

Re: Ain't it amazing

the gap is the existing VS user. The people who are going to have to work with all the wonderful new Linux versions of MS products.

Why force them to use an environment they may not be used to.

I would seriously consider moving over to PSake then.

With your current problem, is it that nmake is defaulting back to the windows directory when you are trying to invoke a target in nmake?

Oh, and MSBUILD has been around since the first days of .Net, its the only thing I have ever used to build ,Net to be honest. Its just that in 2013 it became the only way to build .Net

Re: I just

I find IntelliJ pretty good for Java.

I am not entirely sure if you are taking the piss, but OK, I will bite.

NMake has been deprecated for quite some time now, MSBUILD took over back in 2013 and is better, by and large, than NMake.

You can execute MSBUILD from PowerShell at any point in time, as long as you have you path set up to point to the correct version of MSBUILD (you will have a separate exe for each version of .Net you have installed, or explicitly call the one you want).

Alternatively, try PSake, its a PowerShell based build engine. Its actually OK, the build is defined as code as opposed to mark up, which makes it quite powerful, along the lines of Rake etc.

Re: Whats the point ?

the point is that it gives people choice. Now, in the Linux world, there are a hundred and one tools to develop in the same language, adding in another tool isnt a bad thing.

From the perspective of the Windows developer, this now gives them the possibility of working with Linux infrastructure in a less frustrating manner. If you can build a Linux console app in C++ from Visual Studio on your Win X box then remotely build it against a separate Linux machine, wouldn't that be a not bad thing to do?

Re: Visual Studio

Im sorry, but VB.Net is many things, but c# with VB syntax it is not. Its also not a successor to VB6, VB.Net is the successor to VB6.

Obviously from your post, you havent used Visual Studio in quite some time and definitely not longer than 5 or 10 minutes.

As for the actual topic itself, if MS wants to add support for Linux C++ devs then all the better, it gives those guys another tool they can choose to use if they want it. Indeed, it looks like you haven't read further than the title, as none of the templates offered appear to be relevant to visual development.

Re: Strategy?

back under your bridge you.

The last time you tried talking about c# with the grownups, you claimed it was the same as VB

Re: I will never again get those GWX nag messages!

I am a little different in that regard.

As a Sony VAIO laptop user (there are only about 4 of us in the wild) we were prevented from upgrading from 8.1 to 10 automatically until a few weeks ago. Sony had basically set VAIO Care to not allow it to be sent out to its devices. Their reason was simple, they were not sure it would be stable. The only stability issue with Windows 10 I have had so far is with my graphics card, which when it went wrong was a complete bugger to get fixed.

The only reason I upgraded to 10 before that point was because my HDD died and needed a new OS.

Now, I will assume that all the Linux beards will be guffawing into the froth atop the real ale in their dimple mugs at hearing that; "Why not install Ubuntu!" they may mutter between themselves.

The Linux hipsters will be screaming me down from behind a distro that isn't mainstream, so you probably never heard of it. But screaming quietly, in case they are caught by their mothers.

The Apple users will be a bit confused as they think that an OS is just something you get for free with the box you plug your iphone into.

At the end of the day, I had a working internet connection, a USB drive, the ability to put the installer on said drive and the desire to see something new.

It was either that or stick with the XP user experience for the next 14 years....

Re: Still ugly blocky flat interface with broken start menu

Finally, some sense.

Re: Stay with 7

Unfortunately, hardware is probably the only place Microsoft can retreat into. Which is good for no one really.

Re: I will never again get those GWX nag messages!

well, if you go by the comments here, it means you are a complete liar. It would be impossible for you to even boot your machines once Windows 10 was installed, let alone use them according to the commentards.

Given that Windows 8.1 and 10 have been so terribly, terribly awful there must have been something even worse wrong with all the Linux distributions that came out over the same time frame.

Re: Stay with 7

Didnt Microsoft say they were going to yearly rolling updates a while back?

Re: Still ugly blocky flat interface with broken start menu

Ahh, again, someone else who hasnt actually used Windows 10 complains about Windows 10

Re: change directions again and you go in a circle

Ladies and gentlemen, the sort of troll who likes to hide behind that broken coffee machine from the 90's

Re: Where are the facts no one likes Win 10?

Doesnt this have more to say about your software and your testing practices as opposed to the OS?

Not disabling auto updates on a testing environment, or even not isolating it from the internet at large seems like something you need to sort out way before you get to testing...

Re: Where are the facts no one likes Win 10?

you do know there is very little difference between the Windows 8 and 10 UI's right?

I mean, you have used them?

As for OS X, I couldnt give a toss about that right now. It has nothing to do with Windows 10

Re: Where are the facts no one likes Win 10?

there is seriously nothing that wrong with Windows 8.1 or 10 - the only thing wrong with 8.1 is the start screen. 10 is actually quite good. If you have used any version of Windows, then 10 isnt going to be a problem for you.

One thing I have noticed recently is that there seems to be a difference between the upgrade version of Windows 10 (from 8.1 to 10) and the regular 10. Its mainly cosmetic stuff and I only noticed it recently after reinstalling post new hdd installation.

Also, I get the feeling that a lot of the people complaining about Windows 10 have never actually used it for longer than 10 minutes....

Re: I'm happy

It's a plugin for IDA pro, which you need to buy....

Re: Yes.

It's free. But can only be with another piece of software that is $589 and up in price