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Article misses the cross-platform point
This article completely misses whats exciting about the announcement - The service will use your existing second screens, be that iPads, iPod touches, Windows Phones, Android tablets, whatever.
That makes it immediately accessible to the 50% of people who use smartphones. Its not confined to the 2% who own Windows Phones.
This is a rather bizarre article, given that Experian Hitlinks just found Bing powered 30% of US internet searches (Bing+Yahoo search), taking market share from Google, who was 3% down since the last month,
The fact is that Microsoft has executed very well in the search field, through a combination of research and business dealings, and have bought their way into relevance again. Bing has deals with Yahoo, Facebook, Twitter and even Verizon. Those deals are looking increasingly smart as time goes on.
Google gets close to 50% of their revenue from the US market, where they are bleeding market share faster than even IE is losing market share. Mashables ( http://mashable.com/2011/04/11/bing-search-growth/ ) is a bit hyperbolic when they suggest Bing will overtake Google in less than 9 months, but Google must be shaking in their boots losing 1% revenue and 1 billion in market cap every month and losing their monopoly pricing position.
It seems Google has peaked, and Microsoft is on its second act.
Nokia choose Microsoft, not the other way around.
People who think Nokia has been duped by Elop must think very little of the Finns on the Nokia board. I suspect much more likely that they headhunted Elop because they already wanted to go Microsoft. Doesnt that make a lot more sense?
Secondly Nokia did not want to be dependent on Google. By partnering with Microsoft they had much more influence in the relationship than they did with Google, e.g. the Ovi maps will now be the default Windows Phone 7 maps for all WP7 OEMs, including HTC and Samsung, and Nokia will get royalties from them. Google refused to make that deal.
Lastly, most people who buy Symbian smartphones buy it for the Nokia brand, not because they are convergence techies (unless anyone is making the bizarre claim that until recently techies outnumbered regular users) . Those people will appreciate an upgraded user experience with Windows Phone 7.
So all the second place holders should just quit to make it easier for editorial writers? Every company that ever overtook the old market leader was second at one point, including Microsoft to Netscape or Microsoft to Wordperfect, or Microsoft vs IIS or Microsoft versus Linux netbooks and so on and so on.
Your article is a recipe for halting progress - competition means things get better after all.
Chevron WP7 does not allow piracy of (signed) marketplace apps.
A few things
1) ChevronWP7 only allowed unsinged apps to be installed. Marketplace apps remained signed, and the tool did not allow this feature to be bypassed. This means the tool by itself did not mean one could install Marketplace apps without paying. it simply allowed one to get a developer unlock without paying.
2) Microsoft's other locked-down platform, the Xbox 360, already allows homebrew, so it does not seem unlikely Microsoft would provide a supported solution for Windows phone 7.
Was it too late for RIM when they entered the market? Was it too late for Apple when they did? Or Android when they did? Too late for Firefox, or for Google Chrome to get any market share?
There is no such thing as too late.
The people who wish Windows Phone 7 dead are also the same people who say Microsoft will die without a mobile platform.
If this is true, why exactly should the company, with $40 billion in the bank, not spend every cent to ensure their survival?
Windows Phone 7 will succeed, even if Microsoft has to pay $100,000 to buy every app in the iPhone app store (and they will still have change left over).
If you dont want ads as apps, dont install them
Overreact much? MS is talking about apps as ads, such as the Chevy Volt app which lets you drive the car on the phone as part of the promotion. If you like the app so much you pin it to your screen you may see invitations for extra content, and if you opt in for notifications they will let you know when the car becomes available.
And if you are not interested in the Chevy Volt, why did you download the app in the first place. If you dont want it anymore, just uninstall it.
Retina display the next to be made old hat - by Apple next year
You know what's even funnier - when the next iPhone comes out with a 4 inch screen and the same resolution suddenly "retina" displays will be old hat also.
More to the story than that
2 more interesting points.
1) Skype also pulled Skype Lite from the Android Market
2) Skype for WM will still be available on carrier that they partner with.
It seems to be a transparent attempt to force US carrier to partner with them if they want to offer a VOIP service to their subscribers and thereby push data plans, e.g. Skype recently partnered with Verizon.
If you dont partner with Skype, no Windows Mobile OR Android Skype for you.
Moto NOT dropping Windows Mobile
You have in your article claimed Motorola will only do Windows Mobile devices, but Moto representatives have denied this - see here:
What we don't know: If Motorola will discontinue its smartphone lineup based on Microsoft's (MSFT) Windows Mobile platform, which a reader told us today. (Update: No. See below.)
Our reader suggests Motorola will instead focus entirely on phones running Google's (GOOG) Android platform, "with strong experience focus in multimedia and social messaging." Last year, Jha said Motorola would use Android for consumer-focused phones and Windows Mobile for business-focused phones. We've asked Motorola for clarification and will update if they reply.
Update: A Motorola rep says the company's three pronged strategy -- Windows Mobile, Android, and Moto's own P2K for low-end phones -- has not changed.
The article and rumour is wrong, and a correction would be appreciated.
Here's why HTC still loves WM
HTC to sell 13-15 million smartphones in 2008, doing very well
HTC, the premier Windows Mobile manufacturer, has estimated that it will sell between 13 and 15 million smartphones this year. The vast majority of these devices will be Windows Mobile smartphones, with analysts estimating only 200 000 Android devices being sold by them, less than 2% of HTC’s production.
HTC is to send only 2 million to the Asia-Pacific region, with the majority going to Western Europe and USA. This balance may change however, with Conexus Mobile Alliance, an alliance of 10 Asian telecom companies with a combined subscriber base of over 200 million users, including giants like NTT DoCoMo, being rumoured by industry sources to be planning to jointly procure smartphones from HTC. Apparently this follows positive recommendations by Taiwanese mobile phone carriers who have already taken on HTC’s devices.
The phones HTC sell in Asia are planned to be own-branded. This follows moves by HTC to shed it white-box ODM image, and this has apparently been very successful, with the HTC brand now purportedly worth more than $1 billion. HTC recently managed to score the 3rd biggest smartphone brand position in Q2 2008, and have said their sales have been unaffected by the arrival of the iPhone 3G.
WM has been good to HTC
"I presume the current Windows Tax is around 30GBP/50USD per copy of WM6 to the manufactuers. Anyone confirm?"
Its actually between $8 and $15, depending on configuration. Obviously more expensive that free, and maybe the second most expensive part of the phone after the screen, but not the terrible. In return they dont have to pay an exchange activesync license, wont have to license a document reader and editor, wont have to develop their own desktop syncing software and get compatibility with 18 000 applications, and also get indemnified against being sued for patent infringement for mobile OS features.
"This is called missing the bus, or perhaps more like getting off the bus.
They have been WM for donkeys years and have made little headway against the big boys. Here's is change to break into the mainstream and they look the other way - very smart."
HTC has gone from nothing to a $12 billion dollar company based on their Windows Mobile products with nearly $5 billion in sales this year. In Q2 08 they were the 3rd biggest smartphone brand worldwide, ahead of Sony Ericsson, Sharp, Fujitsu and even the fruit phone.
HTC outgrew the DOW and NASDAQ indices by nearly 1000 percent over the last 10 years.
Considering the speed of their growth and their performance they are actually very undervalued.
The screen is between 3.8 and 4 inches big, which is massive, especially considering its the same size ad the iPhone, which has a much smaller 3.5 inch screen.
See here for the measuring http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=941
Where the hell do you get your figures?
Linux is behind a lot of dumb phones, but these phones are not a platform you can program to in a consistent way.
I have not seen such an Apple-loving article in a long time (On the Reg at least).
You should be ashamhed.
I'm chosing this over the HTC Touch Pro due to
arc slider - like my HTC Kaiser/Tilt - I like the tilt feature, and the Touch Pro does not have it.
Larger screen - 3 inches better than 2.8 inches.
Higher resolution - 800x480 is better than VGA.
3.5mm headphone jack better than HTC's extUSB
Sony's software and game and music support - the device is set to come with access to a sony music and games store, while the Touch Pro does not come with any value add.
I expect the Touch Pro's keyboard to be better, but I think the features mentioned above will make up for it.
Of course, lets not even compare it to the iPhone 3G - low res screen, poor 3G, no hard keyboard, poor bluetooth stack, no cut and paste, kill switch etc etc etc etc.
Hosted exchange is cheap, you can often use your own domain name (like I do, no icky .mac for .me ) and it integrates perfectly with all my windows mobile phones and all my laptops, all syching to the same account. Hostway, my hosted exchange provider, also provides Outlook web access, so I can also access my PIM information that way, and of course I can initiate a remote wipe if I wanted to.
The only thing missing has been file sync, and Live Mesh should fill that role excellently.
iPhone does not have a proper 3.5mm headphone jack either
The jack is recessed, so you either use the headphones supplied by Apple (like HTC) or you buy an unsightly adapter (like HTC).
The difference is of course that you can use A2DP on a Windows Mobile phone, but then audiophiles may not be too happy with this convenient solution.
(Paris because both Apple and HTC are stupid in this way)
End of day 2- Linux and Vista still stands!
So day 2 is over and no one was able to hack the Vista and Linux installed apps, vs 2 minutes for the Macbook.
I guess apple is the only one who is insecure by default !
Exposed keyboard is useful
The reason why the screen does not cover the whole keyboard is because an exposed numeric keyboard is very useful for both rapidly dialing numbers and navigating around the OS.
This design is not qualitatively different from the HTC Vox, but presumably adds a certain gimmicky feature set to the phone, and removing that annoying offset where the screen is not centered over they keyboard when the Vox is opened.
Is this what you called Managed News?
Its funny how all these stories about mobile viruses are coming out around the same time Apple is expected to detail their iPhone SDK, which will no doubt be incredible restrictive, all to protect the children of course.
This may sound paranoid, but how soon are we going to hear about the mobile rocket launchers and the 45 minute launch window?
No A2DP or bluetooth file exchange
No video recording
No free ringtones
Its like a phone from 2002. But just like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan its destined to be a great success, despite being braindead.
The Apple iDiot tax
iPhone users pay more for a device without:
ability to save files on the device to open later
ability to attach any file to e-mail
no ability to control data usage - you can not stop the downloading of pictures in safari, or the downloading of attachments in the e-mail app
no ability to poll for e-mail less than every 15 minutes.
useless yahoo push e-mail
ringtones unless you hack your device to death
etc etc etc
Its a tax on the people too stupid to use a normal smartphone.
The Touch is not a poor Iphone copy
Tony, thank you for responding. In return I would like to point out:
1) The touchflo needs a special kind of touch screen not seen on any other device yet. The device uses new hardware, which one can not just magic up in 6 months.
2) Whats the point of developing hardware which can differentiate between fingers and styluses if you do not plan to use a finger and gesture based interface? Clearly the two goes together.
3) Leaked road maps for the HTC Trinity showed a device with a similar type of screen last year. When the Trinity eventually shipped it had a normal screen. To me this strongly suggest the intention was to use the touchflo even then, but the technology was not ready yet.
4) The LG Prada has the same type of screen as the Iphone, but was shown publicly in November last year, before the Iphone unveiling. Do you believe they also copied Apple in some way, or can you acknowledge some ideas come to fruition simultaneously?
5) Lastly, the HTC Touch actually uses gestures, and was designed to be used with a thumb. Ironically the Iphone still uses buttons, only virtual ones, so in that way the Touch is more user-friendly than the Iphone.
In short, there is no basis for your belief this device is a bad copy of the Iphone, and specifically no basis for your belief HTC would make a device with a special type of screen and not release it with a new interface, were it not for the Iphone. It just does not make sense.
If you have any deeper basis for your beliefs I would like to hear them.Thank you for your time.
Apple does not invent everything
There are many valid criticisms in your article, e.g. the finger prints and the continuing need for the stylus. However do you have to compare everything to the Iphone, which is not even out yet, and you appear to idolize already?
The HTC president said they have been working on this phone for two years, and there is no reason to disbelieve him. You can simply NOT get a phone from concept to release in 6 months - its simply impossible. Your comments about HTC telling their staff to copy the Iphone is frankly offensive, and shows that you look down on this innovative Taiwanese company.
Your conviction that HTC copied its cube from Apple software frankly marks you out as an i-fanboy. Again, implying that HTC could not have come up with this simple interface on their own is offensive, and may even be racist.
You know how well this phone works, you do NOT know how well the Iphone works. This phone is here and now, and you can buy it. The Iphone will only get to UK by the end of the year. Please review the device on its own merits next time, and stop letting your Apple bias show.
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