1957 posts • joined Thursday 14th April 2011 13:01 GMT
Re: As with all Climate models
"First, clima-clownologists 'simplify' the half lit, rotating sphere with a fixed, constant sunlight disc"
No they don't, they simulate a rotating planet
Re: With four parameters I can fit an elephant
I don't think you know proper science. You certainly don't go around saying theories are "falsified" in science. That's just an asinine take on popper.
there is no evidence humans are responsible. There have been dust and other particles in the air for millions of years. It's sheer arrogance to imagine humans can make a blind bit of difference let alone stop these natural cycles.
Re: What can we bring?
We have a thriving financial center which we could offer to be launched into orbit
I am imagining the whole City of London blasted into the Sun
this sounds like a good idea
redundancy is where they fly twice as many planes in the sky than are needed so that when half of them crash it's okay.
perhaps a good defense in court
"Sorry I can't give you the encryption key because I wasn't the one who encrypted it and I refused to pay the ones who did"
maybe they rolled back to try and revert whatever changes were made and lost some recent transactions in the process, like nuclear option.
Re: It does make you wonder what sort of hardware our banking network is running on.
Of course, it'll be a smogasbord of legacy code, built up through a dozen deadmarch projects spanning decades, held together with hope and fear. Can't go under it, can't go over it, can't rewrite it, have to bodge through it. Management and marketing will demand ever ambitious new features be bolted on top to match what they see on their IPads. Why can't our system intercommunicate using Twitter? Come on you lazy ass developers, I want a system upgrade pushed through tonight.
OH NO I CANT SPEND MY LIFE POINTS ON INTERNET THINGS
Re: Resolved? I think not.
well, coop was new. why not go with something a little more established? like the commenter above pointed out.
I rate their trustworthiness roughly similar to that of North Korea.
or the BBC or Obama
Re: Do what we want, not what we say
Not even the MPs can stand up to the corporations. The corporations are too big and have gone global they are always up to new tricks. Tesco keeps sending small vans up my street in a suspicious manner. They drive up and down our road as if they own it but there's no store for miles. I think they are scanning our houses. I have placed a number of heavy blankets over my wifi router so they can't read it from the road.
I have no doubt this confuses tesco and whips them into a mad rage, which is probably why they send more vans. One of the neighbours is in on it too because I often see the vans stop outside their house and drop off suspicious items in bags, possibly parts for a giant listening device that they are constructing in their house which will eventually be capable of piercing through my wifi defenses.
I don't think they know that I am on to them. I will keep you posted.
Re: No Such Thing as Profanity!
Ideally transgressors would be liquidated, their molten corpses poured into glass coffins which would then be transported around the city for all to see to set an example.
But in lieu of that MS will have to just ban them for 24 hours.
Re: Four magnetic poles...
no each earth day has four simultaneous corners
There is no way that this "gas" (i dispute thee!) would be able to shield the Earth from UV.
I was worried until I read that Studbucket 33 is on it. Microsoft have put their best man on the job so I am somewhat reassured, but lets see how things pan out.
all they need is nausea feedback, a pipe that feeds into the users mouth and on the detection of vomit juices posts an interrupt into the device which readjusts the stomach juice stabilizer. Might take a few hours but eventually it would calibrate correctly, so long as the tube doesn't clog up with sick.
what's it for?
Hmmm ahhhhh I dont know...what can it be for?? if only there was some kind of clue in the article. They bang on about this "virtual reality gaming upstart Oculus Rift" but they never explain what it's for.
maybe they will use it to filter immigrants or maybe it will be used to force pandas to conceive
god if only the article had provided some kind of clue about the intended use. It just ends with:
"Carmack recently put his rocket company Armadillo Aerospace into "hibernation", so that combined with the id departure will let him focus on the VR goggles full-time, and hopefully create a product that puts the frighteners on a whole new generation of gamers"
No clue at all what it might be used for.
If only the science was settled on this matter. Then we could conclude imminent sea level rise isn't a threat.
But as we all know, the science isn't settled, there's no consensus, etc etc. So Eric Schmidt's disastrous 2 meters of sea level rise by 2100 is entirely plausible and a worse case scenario that needs to be planned for.
god it makes me sick everytime i hold a £5 note that some paedo has probably touched it at some point and had their dirty fingers all over the Queens face.
Re: If you want your private life to remain private
Companies start sharing data with each other. Eg perhaps a supermarket end up doing a deal with facebook, so that Facebook has access to loyalty card data, ie all your shopping purchases going back years. The supermarket likewise has access to your profile info, who your friends are, etc. Or perhaps it's car insurance companies sharing data with facebook, or credit agencies. Your employer, the government (tax man). All of them sharing data with each other for supposed efficiency and benefit. The more data they have, the more other things they can deduce about you, things you haven't even said.
Yes data protection laws are meant to prevent data sharing, but wait for companies to start pushing governments into watering down such laws. Or really they don't have to, they just need to supercede them, reword them, remeaning them. "Join together". They'll add stuff into small print, even big print, and it'll become acceptable. If you really want that broadband subscription you'll need to agree to sharing your data with a Consortium of companies.
The Consortium, a group of 612 wide ranging international corporations who have built a shared database of customer/user data which benefits them all. Becoming a customer of one company and the data can be seen by all of them.
It's already beginning. Look at how in recent years online accounts are starting to be "linked" together. An account on youtube? That'll need to be linked to your gmail account. Maybe link in your yahoo account too. Want to sign up to post comments on a news site? You will need to register with your Facebook account. Cookies and ubiquitous "like button" style icons track every website users visit.
Vast machines crawling over all this human data trying to infer facts about customers. Playing off one customers data against another. Things you never put online are figured out by these machines instantly. Eg perhaps they deduce that every year in July you go on holiday to Spain, they can even guess where and when you will go next year and likely who you will meet there. They figure out you aren't that interested in sport (from purchases and lack of sport related comments on twitter/facebook). They even classify your psychology from your purchases and friends - and videos you've watched online and search engine searches you've made. You are a type N7 male, you are most exploitable by method 7, you are attracted to type B females. There is a 90% chance that you will favor product N. If Company N does X, you will have a 77% likelyhood of doing Y. Your profit retrieval potential warrants a joint action by companies B and C. If you won't supply more data, they'll ask your friends for it, subtly of course, so they don't know they are doing it.
Re: If you want your private life to remain private
well until you go to a wedding and get caught in 100 photos by others, who duely upload the photos to facebook and tag you in them. Facebook now knows your name and what you look like. It can figure where you live too, and more given your family might have accounts.
One day Facebook will be inevitably hacked. Years of user data (wall, history, messages, photos) will be stolen and dumped online. In the future with more cloud storage this data will be duplicated enough that it cannot be taken down.
There is no privacy because there is no guarantee where the data will end up next year. Hell even Facebook could in some demented move decided to make all user data from 2000-2010 public.
Re: As any fule kno
look up the bilderberg group and building 7
worse ones in australia is those jumping ones you hear about, the kangerooos
Re: Second most feared??
you are thinking of facehuggers
Re: As any fule kno
it's pronounced jif, hence why that cleaning product manufacturer got sued by the internet authority a few years ago and had to change the name of their product
can't we just go back to burning witches for fuel?
Re: No, the plan is feudal warlordism run by banks
Re: OMG Zombie keeps rising @ NomNomNom
The evidence is better that CO2 rise produces a stronger warming effect than the Sun
The SKY experiment hasn't yet shown the Sun affects the climate in any significant way. CO2 experiments have shown CO2 does.
Re: OMG Zombie keeps rising @ NomNomNom
"As for the Sun, there is good laboratory experimental data to back up the theory that it affects the climate."
Think you'll find the evidence the Sun has any significant affect on climate change is far weaker than CO2. But skeptics apply different bars of proof to both.
Re: OMG Zombie keeps rising @ btrower
"For the record, most thoughtful skeptics are not denying the evidence that we are rebounding from the little ice age and that the world has warmed. To some extent, we agree on many of the facts, but we disagree on how to interpret them. Does CO2 cause any warming at all? Probably. Our evidence is not very good for this, but it seems plausible. Do humans affect the climate? We really don't know, but I think most skeptics would be willing to allow that we might have a little effect."
It's a selective application of doubt. The theory that humans affect the climate is made to jump through extra hoops just so it can't succeed. What would normally be regarded as good evidence becomes "not very good evidence".
The same line of doubt and criticism could be applied to solar theories of climate change for example, but it isn't. Would a skeptic ever say something like the following?
"Does the SUN cause any warming at all? Probably. Our evidence is not very good for this, but it seems plausible. Does the Sun affect the climate? We really don't know, but I think most skeptics would be willing to allow that we might have a little effect"
No, *might have a little effect* would not be the phrase used, it would be a more hopeful and suggestive message of *might have a big effect*. But for CO2 such a possibility just isn't acceptable.
Re: WHO CARES!
"Did you ever stop to wonder how that 10,000 year timeframe was chosen even though you have to graft together three different data sources to cover the time frame? I did, because I know that even though it looks dramatic on that graph, our CO2 level is at a perfectly unremarkable level. Here is a different time frame that gives a bigger picture:
That shows that we are not at a peak, that we could easily be going up sharply without violating the null hypothesis that it is business as usual and that over ranges near where we are now CO2 concentrations are driven by temperature, not the other way around."
The graph shows that we ARE at a peak. CO2 is currently the highest level it's been for over 400,000 years. On the left hand side where it says 370ppm (out of date, it's now 400ppm) and that jump happened in the last 200 years. Why would nature out of 400,000+ years coincidentally happen to shove CO2 level up to 400ppm in only and exactly the same 200 years following the industrial revolution? Do you really believe in such a coincidence?
You say CO2 follows temperature, but does that mean you are arguing 20th century global warming has taken the world to the warmest it's been in over 400,000 years?
"It is reasonable to assume that CO2 we liberate will go into the atmosphere and thereby increase CO2 concentrations when and where we do. The notion that we control CO2 concentrations does not follow from that."
We emit 30 billion tons of CO2 per year. CO2 level is increasing at a rate of 15 billion per year. Not only can we can easily explain the accumulation and the large spike in CO2, it's a problem for you to explain how come that 30 billion ton emission isnt the make or break of the 15 billion per year increase. Are you saying that if we cut emissions by 30 billion tons per year, CO2 would still increase at a rate of 15 billion tons per year? How is that supposed to work?
For another thing it's not just CO2. Lots of other gases that we emit have also jumped upwards recently, including halocarbons, nitrous oxide and methane. It's quite clear that if humans suddenly start emitting significant enough quantities of a gas then the atmospheric level of that gas will start increasing. This not only explains the anomalous jump in CO2, but also makes sense.
Re: Oh dear - oh dear oh dear oh dear
"I could have predicted that the world would warm from no knowledge whatsoever"
That still would have been a testable prediction, but without an explanation it wouldn't be science.
Scientists made a testable prediction that the world would warm, based on an physical explanation.
"They predicted a continuous increase over time, and it just hasn't happened."
Scientists back near Darwin's day predicted that evolution would progress in a continuous gradual change in species over time. That wasn't the case, but it didn't mean evolution wasn't science.
"It's not enough for me to say that the climate will get warmer. I have to demonstrate it experimentally for it to be even remotely science."
CO2 is a greenhouse gas which has a significnat warming effect. This is pretty damn certain, even the scientists who call themselves global warming skeptics accept CO2 in the quantities man is emitting it has a strong effect on climate.
Re: Ozone depletion?
"I don't recall ever seeing a *convincing* explanation why the effects of human industrial activity - CFCs, halon, etc. - are the only ones to reach the stratosphere (the amounts are small compared to other sources, but it is argued that they are the only ones that are important) and magically concentrate over the South Pole."
then why don't you look it up then? you know, google, the internet? might be a better use of your time than writing some long "I am suspicious of science" comment.
Re: WHO CARES!
"I have spent a lot of time looking over data, reviewing arguments, reading skeptic and alarmist sites, looking at material like the actual climategate emails (the actual things, not the distorted spin the alarmists attempt.). I have spent time looking at papers from both sides and reading up on the various whitewashes and cover-ups done."
And yet despite that you think CO2 rise being caused by human emissions has "little support" which is "unconvincing"
I would say that alone shows your ability to analyze data is insufficient. The evidence that the ongoing CO2 rise is human caused is overwhelming.
First there's the ice core record of the last 10,000 years that shows a hockey stick jump in CO2 simultaneous with the sharp jump in human emissions, which is also born out by the instrumental record.
ice cores also show CO2 levels going back hundreds of thousands of years much lower than today
Studies suggesting the last time CO2 was this hight was 15 million years ago
CO2 continues to relentlessly increase, and that increase is accelerating, just as expected from increasing human emissions.
To say the CO2 rise being human caused has little support is ridiculous!
First you need to dismiss the ice core records. But there is no legitimate reason to do so. There are excuses, but these are not accepted by the ice core community and are similar in argument to those who try to dismiss radiodating.
Then there's an accounting issue. Where is all the human CO2 going if it isn't causing the increase in CO2 level?
Re: Oh dear - oh dear oh dear oh dear
"A scientific theory must make testable predictions."
It has. Scientists in the 80s predicted the world would warm. It has.
What if you run an auto-clicker on the ads?
Will that make google think click fraud is going on and get the advertiser banned by google adsense?
Re: Take a leaf out of Sonic CD's book
day of the tentacle style point and click adventure game would work
once meteors reach a certain mass they tend to just bounce off rocky planets such as the Earth and many of the large meteors I have known choose to avoid planets altogether.
LIES ITS ALL LIES. CLAY IS BULLSHIT ... MAN WAS MADE FROM PASTA IN HIS IMAGE. BULLSHIT CLAY HERETICS WILL BOIL IN HIS NOODLY POT!! FOUR CORNERS EQUALS FOUR DAYS
Re: Makes you think....
"Honestly, shouldn't things like The Beatles, Elvis etc. STILL be in the charts somewhere without having to re-release something?"
They should have never been in the charts. Seriously I dont no noone who listens to that kind of stuff
Re: Cool..but also oddly disturbing
Whatever the case, planets that contain life like ours are going to be rare.
So this rare beacon called Earth has been around for hundreds of millions of years before we existed and yet no-one has touched it? I think we will die out soon and I think that's what happens to most intelligent species and that's why the universe isn't teeming with life.
Intelligent life would be motivated to spread life, but we don't see any megastructures like dyson spheres. No-one has terraformed Mars.
The lack of any trace of creator species out there is glaring.
Re: greenies are wrong about almost everything
"The .1C per decade is about what we should expect exiting an ice age"
We aren't exiting an ice age. There should be no expectation based on that.
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