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US deputies taze traffic dodging rogue emu

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As an Australian...

As an Australian i am outraged by this disgraceful use of excessive force on our beloved national emblem. I demand the opportunity to use a tazer on any american wildlife i see in the future - preferably those incredibly feral creatures you see at every tourist site around the world, being loud, obnxious and trying to find the nearest McDonalds!

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Why teachers fear Callum, Chelsea, Connor and Crystal

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The Royals - quiet, insensitive and unpopular...

ahhh if only we had a Charles in there we would have had the complete set!

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Lad from Lagos makes YouTube pitch

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@ Olanz

Sense of humour FAIL!

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Scotch lovers asked to cough up £10,000 per bottle

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For your £10k you get a book about the whiskey's history!

Now there's going to be an interesting tale...

Ingredients were placed in a barrel.

50 years later...

Whiskey was extracted, and put in a bottle.

The End

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Engineer commits suicide after losing iPhone prototype

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on BBC

On the BBC write up of this it adds that Foxconn has suspended its chief of security. That doesnt sound like the sort of thing one does if the beatings were a fabricated allegation (or even if they were just believed to be a fabrication).

£10 says they hang the chief of security out to dry, promote his deputy and nothing will change...

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Staten Island manhole swallows texting teen

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How American...

"Oh noes, i wasnt watching where i was going and did something stupid - it MUST be someone else's fault!"

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Chickens could 'power hydrogen cars'

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chicken wool?

A professor working on chicken feathers called Wool?

I love reality...

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No Dr No rights for Bond owners

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hmm not enough information

Unfortunately there's not enough information in this article for me to have an impression of whether a) this was a correct ruling, or b) if this was just a "land grab" by the owners of the Bond franchise.

Stating that the company made bags, clothing, hats and drinks doesnt really help. Were these bags, clothing, hats and drinks cashing in on the Dr No movie (and/or novel), even if doing so slyly? If they were then i would say that the ruling sets a very bad precedent and the bond owners have a legitimate case. However, if the bags, clothing, hats and drinks were nothing to do with the movie and no one looking at the products could possibly make a connection with the film then the courts ruled correctly in stopping yet another frivolous attempt at preventing free expression.

Some more information about this would be nice...

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Rapidshare stung with €24m fine

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€4800 per song

€24,000,000 for 5000 songs equates to €4800 per song...

Now disregarding the whole argument between freetards and Music Asses... These rulings just seems a bit ridiculous to me, i mean sure there's supposed to be some sort of penalty on top of the supposed costs that this downloading has cost the industry... but come on €5000 for 1 song? Do these judges live on the same planet as us?

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Government rejects Lords' surveillance criticism

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Tory response

An interesting follow up to this for you el Reg would be to get the Tories reaction to the Lords report, see if they feel the same way as the government and if not whether they'll put on record that they WILL introduce the recommendations of the Lords. Might give some of us more confidence that when we kick Labour out, were not just inviting in people who talk the right talk but walk the same old walk (over the people, generally)...

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USAF raygun boffins clocking planet-buster asteroid threats

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Ummm title, title, title...

People keep asking whats the point of this if we cant do anything about it. Well thats simple - ONCE we have confirmed proof that somethings coming for us and guaranteed will HIT, THEN something will be done about it - probably involving every major nation on earth (or more likely the ones directly under the impact zone). At that point we will develop a way too take care of it. Thats the way governments on this planet work. Surely you've noticed that in your local community - a pot hole develops and rather then fixing it immediately, its not fixed until its large enough to swallow cars whole. Thats the way governments always work, why should it be any different this time around? I mean its only the fate of humanity at risk, but thats hardly a vote winner is it? ;)

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Irish Wikifiddler hoaxes worldwide journos

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Sack the Journalists

Simple elegant solution. Sack any journalist who uses Wikipedia as a primary reference source without checking the facts as they are obviously not a proper journalist and so should not be reporting on anything at all.

When word gets around that it costs you your job to use it, journalists will stop using it, an studying relearning the age old art of proper Journalism.

This may not fix wikipedia but it might at least bring some respectability back into the media, which i think most of us would agree is now sorely lacking...

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Farmers furious at EU's sheep-chip scheme

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An idea

Maybe im missing the point of what the RFID is for but why not just incorporate the RFID into the current ear tag? Ok the farmer still has to fork out for the scanner but i can see that being a benefit at some point when rather then having to catch every single sheep and check its tag, you can do it from a distance.

Installing the RFID into the sheep will cost more then just a scanner, and as has been mentioned will probably require a vet to do (so major cost). And if the whole point of the RFID is to prevent people doing dodgy things like swapping eartags, then i fail to see how putting the RFID in the sheep will help - if you got the technology to install one, its easy enough to remove the old one and stick a new one in, so it doesnt really remove your problem.

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White wine stains your teeth too

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This is a bunk study

Have these people never heard of the affect of saliva (which as there dentists they really should have!). Saliva neutralises the acid in wine (and basically anything else that goes in your mouth), and so guess what it stops being acidic! Wow who would have guessed.

And seriously who holds a mouth full of wine for an hour? If the wine is ever in my mouth for more then a few seconds before it passes to the regions below something is seriously wrong!

This is crap science and can we please have the address for the university who funded this, so we can point out the crap science and prevent this wanker getting any more money to waste on stupid studies! I hope the student fails her thesis for this! (Yes im harsh, but we do not need more university level dumbasses!)

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Robo-fish to hunt pollution in Spanish seas

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Anyone ever heard of Sharks?

About the size of a seal, but looks like a fish. Sounds like the perfect meal for a hungry shark to me... Who wants to place bets on how long before the first one gets eaten?

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Upper-atmos ion drive dart sat launch delayed

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The door to the tower didnt open???

Are you trying to tell me that the way the rockets are commanded to launch in Russia is by someone leaning out of the control tower door and yelling to someone on the launch pad, "Yep hit the button Yuri!"? Why would a door not opening in the control tower cause a failure to launch? Thats like saying someone farting in the general direction of the space shuttle prevented its launch due to high winds!

Whats the real reason el reg? Enquiring minds demand to know!

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Iranian rocket puts satellite into orbit

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Astrium anybody?

Considering a significant amount of Astrium's rocket building is done in the UK, it seems a bit strange to say that Britain has no rocket building capability, i suppose that by the same token Germany, France, Italy and the whole of Europe do not have any rocket capability right??

I think we all know thats a lot of bollocks. Europe shares its resources in order to be the worlds biggest supplier of commercial rocket launches. So stop bemoaning the fact that your not doing it on your own. Or get off your ass contact your local MP and start harrassing him to get him to start pushing for a homegrown program if you think its that important...

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Passport RFIDs cloned wholesale by $250 eBay auction spree

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Ive never seen the point of RFID's

If you absolutely HAVE to go down the technology route (to save you that extra 10 minutes of waiting in line so you can get through security in order to spend the next 2 hours waiting in the airport's overly priced bar for your inevitably delayed flight) What is wrong with swiping a magentic stripe card, like a credit or debit card. Hell even give it a pin number!

Make it a chip and pin card, and boom we have security. Ok true its only as secure as the encryption on it, but most people would consider your average credit/debit card fairly secure, and considering your only planning to actually swipe these at the airport security point then i'd say your fairly safe...

Anyway just a thought, but it avoids the whole long distance raiding and i fail to see how this would be that much slower then an RFID scan!

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'I HOPE YOUR HOUSE IS NEAR THE SEA HAHAHAHA!!!!'

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insanity defintely...

"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind."

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ISS astronauts lose 'alarming' amounts of hipbone strength

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@ Steve Roper

Wow a series of science fiction writers described a possible answer to a problem - your right why havent NASA/ESA done anything about it?

On the same note, i can think of a lot of authours who tell us using a wormhole will get us to Alpha Centauri really quick. Damn it NASA/ESA why havent you created a way for me to get to Alpha Centauri yet, just read science fiction novels they tell you everything you need to know! *rolleyes*

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iPhones will win the war in Afghanistan, says NATO chief

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@ Sean

You seem to have an incredibly short memory - lets refresh it.

The entirety of the western world (which includes almost everyone within NATO, so thats you Europeans, the yanks, the canadians, the aussies, the kiwis, and well anyone else you can think of that classifies as "the West") agreed to go into Afghanistan after 9/11. I believe there was even a UN resolution allowing the action. And to be honest i don't think there was that much public dissatisfaction with the idea. So saying you never wanted to be there in the first place is a crock of sh*t!

Iraq on the other hand is a completely different story...

But remember the article is about Afghanistan, not Iraq... I know there easy to mix up - just ask George Dubya...

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14-year-old charged with impersonating Chicago PD

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And there goes his chance to ever be a cop!

I'm pretty sure they'll look down on that when the time comes for him to try and sign up.

Dumb ass!

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Absolutely Fabulous ups sticks to LA

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Ahh but Sarah

Then why not just start showing the old Ab Fabs to the seppos? Why let them go and dirty the name Ab Fab with a purile pathetic version which will be absolutely awful - like what the bloody yanks did with Aus's Kath & Kim...

And considering how the majority of us'aens have about as much understanding of sarcasm as the Ebola Virus has of Shakespeare (Reg readers excluded naturally) then do you really foresee a version of a show like Ab Fab being made to the standards of the original being understood by most Americans?

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Countdown to Conficker activation begins

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Just some ideas

Im not a comp sci/sys admin/bofh but even i can think of 2 ways that could possibly help stop this worm from starting up.

1. If the security researches have worked out some of the IP addresses/ websites that the worm will try to get infected computers to contact, then a) buy the domains first, b) set up instructions on the sites so that when the infected computer gets in contact, it is told to not contact any other IP address. c) inform local plod what you've done so that they dont think your the one behind the worm! Danger mitigated. Sure it doesnt solve the problem of the worm in the first place but at least the botnets in the hands of supposedly trustworthy people and maybe they can pass over infected ip addresses to local plods in each country for the plod to go and knock on peoples door and tell them to fix their bloody computer!

2. If the security researches can work out the majority of IP addresses/websites that the worm will try to get infected computers to contact, then a) pass these addresses to ICANN b) announce to world and dog (via every media outlet in every country that you can get in contact with) that you have told ICANN where all these addresses are. c) monitor these websites and see if ICANN sells any of them. If they dont, the danger of the worm is mitigated to a large extent. If they do - then the media circus can kick up a massive stink, international governments can put pressure on and hopefully we can finally get a governing body who actually cares about users rather then making as much money as possible!

I dont know how relevant these ideas are but it would be nice to see something done, rather then just hearing continual stories about how armageddon is coming in the form of conflicker!

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IT manager sorts Italian Job cliffhanger

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just a thought

rather then emptying the fuel out via the access panel whats wrong with just letting the motor run until the fuel runs out? OK could take a while, and yes maybe vibration problems but with everyone clambered on to the front of the bus, it should be fine. damn i should have entered the comp! :P

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Benjamin Button eyes 13 Oscars

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I must be way out of touch

As apart from the Dark Night, Wall E and Kung Fu Panda (none of which ive actually seen) i havent heard of any of the rest! My finger must certainly be on the pulse of modern cinema!

And any film with a name like "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" deserves to have the writers, directors, producers and everyone else involved with the film horsewhipped for using such a bloody stupid name, not rewarded with Ocsar nominations! God awful name, just awful! *shakes head in disgust*

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Budding artist Paris demands more respect

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Think of the poor artist

who know misses out on exhibition space to make way for this trash...

Man i hate celebutards!

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Online campaign urges MPs to block secret expenses

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Correct me if im wrong...

But dont all laws in the UK, once passed by the house of commons and the lords, go to the Queen for signature? At least in Aus once the law is passed through both houses it goes to the queens representative (the Governor General) for signature. And whilst this is usually a rubber stamp, occasionally, VERY occasionally, the Governor General says no. This would seem like a good case for that. Maybe you should all write to old Lizzie and see if she cant put a stop to this nonsense! Make the old bat earn her keep for once! :P

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Aussie air zealot savages prêt-à-porter stealth fighter

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Aussie point of view

In some ways for Australia the choice of the F-35 to replace BOTH the F-111's and the F/A-18 is a bit baffling as both aircraft served very different purposes for which the F-35 doesnt completely replace either. The F/A-18 is a superb superiority fighter, the F-111 a strike bomber (ie a bomber with some fighting capability). The F-111 also has a superb range (ie it can hit Indonesia (Australia's only real threat) and return). The F-35 is a fighter that is not a focused superiority fighter and it is designed to have bombing capabilities although not as good as the F-111. It also has a severely reduced range over the F-111.

So in that respect if the aim of this purchase was to keep the status quo the F-35 isnt the best choice. The best would be a combination of F-35's and F-22's (with possibly a few FB-22's if they ever get made). However the F-35 isnt for sale now (and probably wont ever be!), and Aus really could never justify the HUGE expense of an F-22 fleet. To counter the drawbacks of the F-35 Aus has purchased a number of inflight refueling aircraft to give it the range it needs, the government is buying more F-35's then we currently have F-111's and F/A-18's (or at least they were last time i looked) so basically for once our government seems to actually have thought there way through something.

As has already been mentioned, if your after the best fighter in the world you will try to get a hold of the F-22, if your after the next best and are willing to pay exorbitantly you'll buy the Eurofighter, however if your after something affordable, which will do the job against most enemies that the nations who are buying it are likely to face, you'll buy the F-35. Its not rocket science!

Oh and for the comment that the Americans are just going to keep the F-22's and sell the F-35's to export customers. The Yanks are continuously reducing the number of F-22's there buying because of the exorbitent costs and already have over 400 (if my memory holds out) of the Carrier Variant F-35's on order (more then the rest of the worlds orders combined!)... As for the conventional variant i hate to think how many are going to be produced for the yanks alone!

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Judge OKs webcast in RIAA music file-sharing case

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I can see why the RIAA would not want this streamed

In a world where very few people are well versed in legal matters, especially to do with copyright law, people who are in the firing line of the RIAA will now be able to watch this video and perhaps avail themselves of a few additional notes. If the case is rejected out of hand, they will now have a sure fire legal precedent and also the knowledge of the exact legal statutes that the defense states in this case to have it thrown, for use in there own cases!

This is a lot easier for the internet generation then trying to look through thousands of legal documents to discover the same statutes! No wonder the RIAA dont want it broadcast!

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LibDem cheeky boy rides to Segway's rescue

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How exactly do Segways help the environment?

I always thought good ol' Shanks Mule WAS the most environmentally friendly way to get from A to B! & following that wouldnt the old bicycle be the next best alternative?

Sounds like someone is on Segway's payroll...

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ASA rules on 'USB Fornication Optimiser'

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Forgive me if im wrong

Forgive me if im wrong but isnt that a couple of sane decisions coming out of the ASA in the last couple of weeks? The world must be coming to an end - head for the hills!

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Israelis offer radical new rat-based urban renewal scheme

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Rat Friendly = Good? I missed that meeting...

Since when was designing a new city to be rat friendly a good thing? I thought we were trying our best to bring down the numbers of these rodents... So we should obviously build more cities like New Orleans (ie below sea level ready to be swallowed by a passing hurricane? :P)

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Israel hacks Arab TV station

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Now for some more completly uneducated responses (just like all those above)

Whether the size of the Israeli action is justified or not is debatable, but action WAS forthcoming. If Indonesia started firing missiles into northern Australia, or Mexico started firing into the states or the Irish started firing missiles into England (or the Scots, or the Welsh, or the French or the Cornish - lets face it everyone wants a go at England! :P), a response would be swift and timely and not protested excessively - that the Israelis held off for this long under constant missile attack is in my opinion (after knowing how passionate a people Israelis are) is quite remarkable.

Still one has to look at this in perspective with the West Bank, the people in the West Bank have probably more reason to complain bout Israel (with large settler communities and the West Bank barrier) then those of Gaza, who if we remember a few years back, the Israelis physically removed all of the Israeli settlements unilaterally from Gaza and gave it completely to the Palestinians. However, in the last year, there has been few if any incursions into the west bank, the various blockades and road blocks are slowly being dismantled, the economy and all up security of the West Bank is improving. And peace almost looks a possibility there!

So whats the difference? Well the obvious answer is Hamas, but i doubt its that simple - especially since many of those firing missiles from Gaza seem also to be from groups like the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade who are more aligned with Fatah then Hamas, so whats the difference? If someone can answer that question - maybe, just maybe a solution can be found...

Oh and whilst religion is used as a rallying call from both sides, this is really nothing to do with religion, its a territorial dispute just like the Falklands (for example). Its just another excuse to draw the simple-minded more deeply into conflict...

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Web more popular than sex, says Intel

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This isn't news....

All it tells us is what we all already knew - Americans are shite in the sack! And quite obviously have no life...

What a surprise...

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Electronic votes mysteriously vanish in Ohio election

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Actually im suprised this isnt easier to pick up

Im not American so i dont know the specifics of how voting works there but here in Aus, your name is ticked off on a register at the voting centre before your given the bit of paper to go do your voting on. Now even if your doing it electronically surely you have to have your name marked off somewhere before you go into the electronic booth to stop you coming back and voting multiple times. It should then be fairly simple to count how many people voted at your voting centre and tallying this with the number of votes (legitimate and illegitimate) made on the electronic voting machine.

The only way i can see this system failing is if someone goes to a voting centre, goes into a booth and isnt able to/decides not to vote. I cant imagine many people going to the voting centre, lining up, waiting, getting your name crossed off, then not voting. But if someone isnt able to vote (because the system is too complex or fails) then your system should be abandoned straight away. Anyway whats wrong with the good old pencil and paper option?

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Aussie government to rig filter testing

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Like you Brits can talk...

You can say that Aus might be going down the tubes, but at least the people of Aus are making there voices heard - notice that part about protests in every capital city? Where are the large scale protests in the UK about ID Cards, Censorship Laws, Uber-databases, DNA not being removed from police databases, and so on?

You have no one to blame but yourselves for the fact that your country is the way it is - you let the daily mail make the laws because the rest of you dont get off your ass and make yourselves heard!

Give me Aus any day!

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Fiat shows solar-panel wrapped 'Panda of the future'

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I'll take one!

I gotta admit i like the look of this, just get rid of the ghastly green tyres!

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Networked multipack cruise missiles in successful test

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Bandwidth considerations

Funny how with all of the current fleet of network centric bots there trying to remove the high bandwidth requirements (because of a severe lack of available bandwidth) and here they add a new high bandwidth requirement item...

Sounds very cool but i have to agree with a lot of replies here - i do not see this as an end to the MBT but a few of these mounted on ships in the waters off somali might accomplish some good... (try to outrun this pirates! )

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Plod punishes PC-reliant businesses

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Legal redress?

Surely there must be a way for someone to sue the plod for lost earnings when they take business equipment and not return it for months? Especially if no charges are laid from the incident.

And before anyone mentions it, yes i know this a very American attitude but after the plod have been sued successfully a couple of times for not returning goods in a reasonable amount of time, they might spend some resources on the problem!

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YouTube virals must play by US ad rules

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I cant believe...

...that there's no law to prevent a company presenting false advertisements on its own website! I mean, no one really trusts advertising that much but, how is that any different to a company advertising in the street? If someone is interested in a product and goes to that companies website to have a look at its specs, and get sold a lie, how is that different to the lie being put out on the street?

Weird...

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US couple sue over McNudes

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@ Sarah Bee

I don't think anyone here is really disputing the fact that it probably was one of the shitty little McBeavis's (should that be McBeavii? :P). I think most people's objection is to the fact that there now trying to sue McDonalds! I mean what has McDonalds got to answer for? Maybe the individual franchise manager for not making sure the phone was secured and not left for the McBeavis's to play with, but apart from that, there's not much more that could have been done. Additionally, as has been previously mentioned, showing exactly who took the photos would be pretty damn hard to prove in a court of law i would think. Seems to me like a jumped up lawsuit of the kind only America can produce...

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DARPA wargamer calls for US X-Men superplane fleet

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News Report : Sales of Ghost Skyrocket!

And in news today, sales of the novel Ghost rocketed after being mentioned on an IT news site. Online sales are up 500%.

I hope you guys get a percentage as i guarantee with a description like that, The reg crowd will be salivating at Amazon's (hypothetical) door!

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BNP membership list leaks online

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@AC 15:58

I believe the people who are not allowed to join political parties are members of the armed forces, those in the court system and those who work for the public service (someone correct me if im wrong). The reason being that people in these positions are supposed to remain politically neutral at all times (except when they vote of course). If they are in a party, and especially if they havent declared as such to their superiors, then naturally they cannot be completely trusted to remain politically neutral. It is very easy for information that is not for public or party distribution to suddenly end up in the wrong hands...

For people in the military its even more important - the idea being that you are neutral and serve which ever party is in power no matter if you think there a bunch of braindead twats or not. If too many people in the military are involved with one party then you have the makings of a very nice coup...

Additionally, in the UK, very few people are actually members of political parties, you might tip the odd donation to your party of choice occasionally if your so inclined but you have to be an absolute diehard fan to pay up and get on their membership list, unlike America where the vast majority join either the republican or democratic party. So anyone on the BNP membership list is likely to be a diehard racist nutter, and should be exposed if there in a position to abuse the neutrality of their office. Same goes to those in the tories and labour. Actually, i believe the members of all politcal parties should be exposed - lets see how may card carriers there are in places where they shouldnt be!

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Lads from Lagos target Facebook

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The biggest give away should have been...

That he claimed he could get from Lagos back to Aus for $500! Considering the complete decline in any value of the Australian dollar and the cost of airline tickets i doubt you could fly from Lagos to Spain for $500!

Actually im suprised they bothered targeting us Aussies considering that the Aussie dollars is so shite right now! $500 could probably only by a nice pair of shoes in Lagos! :P

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McCain 'dead' email ruse punts penis pills

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Im not sure whats more disturbing

That people are stupid enough to fall for these emails (they spelt his name wrong for god sake!) or the fact that there's obviously a market out that would want to see a sex vid involving McCain's wife? Come on he's like 80 - his wife would have to be around that age too! Thats not even a mental image id wish on my worst enemy!

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Feds indict international cyber crook accused of $1.7m ATM spree

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@AC

A preson who pulls a 600m heist by working trading limits deserves the same as a bank robbery. Just like i said. Just because you have more expertise then the average bank robber, the intention is the same. Its the intention thats important in my opinion. If someone is making trades they shouldnt have but without any aim of personal gain then the sentence should be fairly minimal though probably with a ban on them ever working in finance again! And of course there superiors deserve there ass getting fried as well. But someone who delibrately goes out to steal money for personal gain no matter how they do it deserves a very long sentence!

My 2p...

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@AC

Come on champ, his previous stuff involved (from what ive read here at least) hacking into a few government websites and servers, no real damage done. 20 years for that is fine so long as you up the prison time for every murderer, rapist, attacker, vandal, thief and drunk and disorderly to more then 20 years! I mean come on get some sense of perspective!

As for the stealing A$1.7million. I hope he gets a sentence similar to if someone pulled a bank job for the cash - maybe not armed robbery but just because it was online doesnt mean it wasnt the same as robbing a bank in person!

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US Navy SEAL uniforms: Now with built-in tourniquets

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Magic Spray

I really dont know whats wrong with all of these special forces types, there so far behind the game. All they need is the magic spray that our soccer players all use!

You've all seen our poor, tough and certainly not overpaid soccer goliaths taken down by a malicious and hugely injuring slide tackle. They roll around on the ground in agony and then comes the magic spray and suddenly there fine to carry on! Surely that's all the special forces need, lots and lots of magic spray! Im sure it would work even better then a torniquet!

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Merchants and punters cry foul over Verified by Visa

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GridSure doesnt sound any more secure then 3dSecure

Maybe i missed something (im an engineer not a programmer), but the GridSoft scheme that was detailed didnt sound much more secure against a good phishing site then the current VbV setup.

A box with randomly generated numbers but which you choose the box beforehand. Piece of piss to phish, someone goes to purchase something, you pull up a pre-made screen with the box and your own non-randomly generated numbers the person types in the number and boom you have which boxes they used. If the numbers are only 1-9, then you need to create an error screen and on the second go a new set of random numbers gives you the exact order of the boxes. Follow this by another error screen, switch to the real site, the person enters their details, makes their purchase none the wiser and you now have their details.

How is that anymore secure then VbV?

Both systems are shite, and just a way for the banks and visa/mastercard to offload there liability back to us...

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