80 posts • joined Sunday 10th June 2007 05:58 GMT
Lots of these 'smart' phones are just Chinese-manufactured crap
And yes, I know that the 'big boys' also manufacture all their stuff in China, but you know what I mean.
The market here in Thailand is full of the usual suspects (Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Asus, etc.), and then a few local brands whose main selling point is that the entire phone UI, the manual and the box are all in the Thai language - but then there is a mass of horrible super-cheap crap-phones and shit-tablets that cost a couple of thousand THB (say, 40 quid) and run some shonky version of Android that has been obsolete for at least a year with no prospect of ever being able to put a newer version on it.
Phones here are all sold without contracts, and so are sold SIM free. This means that the iPhone 5s starts at 23,900 THB (around 450 quid). So you can imagine that there is quite the market for the crap-phones ...
Re: Dear Business
You think they ever noticed the aforementioned banging-on? Unlikely.
You think support is bad in the UK??
You should try it in Thailand ...
We only got the ability to buy music earlier this year. AppleTV went on sale a couple of months ago. iTunes Radio? I would suspect never.
And we have to wait until December before we can buy the new iPhones. Hopefully.
I vote for ...
Profitable because it's made in China?
Not because of the outrageous price tag, then?
My step-dad's BMW 635 Csi had its window broken to steal a stereo that probably got the moron who stole it 20 quid for a fix. Fucking idiots, the lot of them.
Wish it was the same in Thailand
I took a 75% pay cut in the last year. It would be seriously nice if salaries here shot up too.
The problem with China is that I'm not sure I could learn to read and write, which would drive me batty. At least Thai has an alphabet (44 consonants and 32 vowels enough for you?), so you've got a chance.
That, and my wife is Thai.
Living here is WAY better than living in the UK, though (I've been here over 9 years already). Being an ex-pat is an interesting life, to be honest :)
The Internet in Myanmar was always a bit shaky
The "government" always censored everything, and the only way to browse the web was to use a VPN. When I went there regularly in 2006/2007, I used to use Your Freedom (a tunnel service).
All web access had to go through "government" proxies, so the tunnel was the only way to go.
The biggest problems we had was actually with the power constantly going down. I can only hope that things have improved over the intervening years.
"Don't have these figures to hand"
This is absolutely correct. DO NOT believe a vendor that says they don't have these numbers. Of course they have the numbers.
If they say they don't have the numbers then they are OBVIOUSLY lying somewhere - because how can you claim to provide a certain measurable uptime figure, but not have the actual numbers to hand? It's ridiculous.
Vendors in "lying in order to win a sale" shocker ...
"Confusing software and expensive hardware doesn't sell" shocker
Confusing software is confusing, so nobody bought the expensive hardware that runs it properly.
I live in Thailand (which, for our geographically-challenged American friends, is in Asia), and while I have a 16Mb/sec internet connection, this is considered fast. However, most people can get at least 4Mb for very little cash, or 10Mb for a not-outrageous outlay.
Download speeds within the country are super-quick, but as soon as I connect to servers outside Thailand, the speed starts to suffer a little. Fortunately, companies like Akamai have a presence in most countries - and so downloading stuff from large companies (e.g. Microsoft, Apple) is always fast.
What did they measure?
You think that's bad?
The boxed version of Windows 1.03 (or 1.04, I forget. It was 1987 when I experienced the wonder) had a sealed envelope inside it, containing the installation floppies and some paperwork. It was sealed with a thick white sticker upon which were written words to the effect of "by opening this envelope you agree to be bound by the terms contained within it".
For some reason, this was later deemed to be not legally enforceable. No idea why.
They briefly protested outside the Bangkok office recently, too
I work in the same building as Google's Bangkok office, and there were protesters outside for an hour or two on the afternoon of the 27th September. They came to this area after bothering the US embassy in the morning.
Whatever. If they want to stand outside for a day in Bangkok's notoriously hot and humid monsoon season, that's up to them.
This is not about religion - this is about people *choosing* to be offended to push forward their own agenda.
Re: Simple solution
"Come see Bottomless Pete - Nature's Cruelest Mistake"
Was that the Mongolian Wok? Great place ...
If you think it's bad in the UK ...
Try it in Thailand, where it's truly awful.
They don't even claim to offer turn-by-turn here either. Although if it's as bad as it sounds, perhaps that's not an altogether bad thing?
Re: "what appears, at a glance, to be clear abuse of market power."
Yes, if Google don't want to support the manufacturer for those devices, that's fine.
But Google told Acer that they would not get support for *any* devices if they released phones running Aliyun. That's anticompetitive, and feels a little like late-80s Microsoft.
Lotus Notes might not be quite dead just yet, but it's smelled pretty nasty for some time now
I started using Lotus Notes over twenty years ago, and have always hated it with a passion. Anything that kills it can only be a good thing,
99.9% of users fired up Flash?
Saying that 99.9% of users "fired up Flash" is disingenuous. What it means is that 99.9% of users did one of two things:
1. Went to a site that uses Flash as the default, and falls-back to something else (e.g. HTML 5 video) if it's not there. It would not surprise me if YouTube (for example) did that.
2. Visited a site that had ads on it. Again, these sites will try to push Flash ads on you if they can, because they can get more useful info out of a Flash ad, as well as showing you an annoying moving ad and possibly sound or even one of those horrible expanding ads.
How many of those users would have not even noticed that Flash was not there, if they had not had the Flash plugin installed?
And will it work on frequency bands other than the ones used only in North America? Or when they do start selling it in Europe, Africa or Asia/Pacific, will they have to stop calling it a 4G device like Apple had to do with the "new iPad"?
Maybe it's "short bus" special?
Electricity is free now?
Here's the other thing … after you have calculated how many mpg it does, how about calculating how much it costs to charge the thing up with electrons?
Add to that the cost of the car (*HOW* much?), and that's an awful lot of very short journeys you'd have to do to justify buying one of these. Sounds like you'd be better off with one of the 80mpg diesels, or even a Prius or similar hybrid that simply saves energy from regenerative braking …
(Also - a 1.4L Otto-cycle engine? Why not Atkinson-cycle - too hard for the Chevy engineers?)
My office overlooks Soi Cowboy in Bangkok ...
If you don't know what that is, be warned that it is NSFW.
Is amateur hour over yet?
Oh great - more meaningless speculation
So just weeks after the 'press' was thoroughly disappointed because Apple released an iPhone with the 'wrong name', they are setting themselves up for another fall by guessing the name of the next iPad.
And when it doesn't happen (even though nothing was announced), everyone will bleat about how it's "late".
Only available in the UK and US stores
As an expat Brit, I would love to be able to subscribe to this, but can not because it is only available in the UK and US stores. Lots of expats read Teh Grauniad, but if we have a 'local' iTunes account then we simply can't buy it.
Bit of an odd restriction, that.
(And yes, I know it's now possible to 'fool' the Store into allowing an account to be opened in another country, but it was not possible when I started buying apps. Back then you needed a credit card whose billing address was in the country of the Store)
They could have at least said Patrick :)
How about looking at it the other way round, and saying that now people have seen that this is technically feasible, how long before the whole 'space exploration' thing is taken out of the hands of governments, and put into the hands of private individuals and companies?
The major world governments have been talking of missions to Mars for decades - but how far have they got?
And on a different note, why is it that whenever something new appears on the scene, the first thing SOME people think of is its military applications?
Gorgeous laptop - really fast, but hot
I bought one of these a couple of months ago, and it's FAST. I get 6 hours of light usage from a full battery, or a couple of hours of Handbrake - which tears through files like they weren't there.
One other thing apart from the weight (which I was expecting), is how HOT it gets when it's working hard.
The screen is gorgeous, the trackpad a joy to use. Fantastic machine. Just be aware that if you're doing anything CPU-intensive that your legs will get uncomfortably (almost painfully) hot if you use it on your lap.
What he said
In this particular case, it looks like VAT might be making the difference.
That is not to say Apple's prices have not assumed some mythical currency in the UK that is at parity with the USD in the past.
But if the price 'should be' 1.25 GBP and is actually quoted as being 1.50 GBP, that is exactly the kind of 20% increase that you might expect to see if for example VAT were set to 20%.
In the US people are used to seeing prices advertised before any sales tax is added, and since these taxes are local to the State, County and even City in come cases, I suppose this makes sense. But in the UK, prices are always quoted inclusive of all applicable tax (by law, no less).
So in the US you see something on sale as 1.99 USD, but you might pay anywhere between 1.99 USD and 2.25 USD or so for it. In the UK you see something advertised as 1.49 GBP and you will pay 1.49 GBP.
And long may it continue to be so.
Rip-off? Not in this case, I think.
First off, this is in theory a free market, and they can charge what they want for their Lanthanides.
Secondly, read a little history to see how Hong Kong came to be British in the 1800s, before you talk about 'unfair practices' ...
Finally, all countries have import/export restrictions to help their local economies.
The sea froze off the coast of Kent in the harsh winter of 1981 - so it does still occasionally happen.
The sea contains a fair amount of salt, and although the Thames sometimes resembles the river Ankh, it still counts as 'fresh' water. So it would freeze well before the sea would, if it got cold enough.
Has anyone asked Ms Hilton for an opinion?
Apple might not allow spyware on the iPhone (or iPad), but ...
Apple's rules might not allow "spyware" on the iPhone (or iPad), but ... it would not be much use even if it existed, since any app that was downloaded onto an iOS device from the App Store onto the (non-jailbroken) device would not have access to any of the information it would need. Sure, there are APIs to get your location, and there may be one to get contacts and the like - but call logs? SMS message contents? Email? Very unlikely :)
All this means is that the software does exist (see http://www.iphonespyapp.com/ if you want to see some of the scary software you can get!), but it's been driven 'underground' simply by the technical requirements imposed by the iOS 'walled garden'.
This is why Apple don't want people jailbreaking their phones - it opens the phone up to all this kind of software! For the most part, your average customer would not WANT that stuff on their own phone (although a few might want to put it on someone else's!) - and that is exactly the difference between the 'open' (read: unmanaged) Android, and the 'curated' iOS.
I'm pretty sure the author means keylogging as in http://www.keyloggers.co/ for example.
Any software or hardware device that logs keystrokes and stores them for later perusal (or forwards them on for later analysis).
They have legitimate uses of course, but most uses are best described as ... nefarious. Password capturing, for example.
Yes, I do blame them
Piracy is rife when prices are high, and demand is high. It has been shown that given the choice of piracy or paying for stuff, as long as the price differential is not too great people would rather pay for stuff.
You say EMI closed shop because of flagging sales? Were sales flagging perhaps because they set the prices at Western levels, and then watched as people stayed away in droves?
In the West, the risks of getting 'caught' are higher, and the penalties harsh. This acts as a deterrent, and allows the iTunes Music Store to set a relatively higher price for content. In 'developing markets' the penalties are small, and the risks associated with getting involved in piracy are much lower. And yet, the music companies would probably still demand the same levels of per-item profit as they do in the West.
Piracy is cheaper to the end user, but much less convenient. I can go to a local purveyor of pirated goods, and buy a CD full of MP3s, but most of those MP3s will be rubbish I don't want, and incorrectly tagged dross. There is effort that needs to be put in to make that stuff usable. Many people would be happy to buy the 'real deal', but not at comparatively ridiculous prices.
Price your content according to the market (and yes, there is a Thai online 'store', so they could set the prices for just Thailand), and people will buy your stuff.
So I blame the music companies for a lot of the piracy.