They better hope that gigabit services aren't needed in the foreseeable future. Given fibre and wireless competition targeting the high density sites, the higher opex costs of the Malcolm Turnbull Mess, the poor performance experienced by those at the wrong end of the cvc debacle leading to the wide adoption of lower tier / lower revenue plans and the inflexibility of the whole sorry mess to ramp-up ramp-down on demand. nbn co will struggle to realise any sort of commercial return. There won't be any money to upgrade to the glorious multi gigabit future that they are spruiking. This albatross is not resting on its perch it is already dead.
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As packets exceed the speed of light ...
But you could use the transition back from mass to energy to charge your battery.
Re: Popcorn please
Be surprised if we see much of it at all. Releasing this news now means that it will be overshadowed by the federal election. All that has happened is one cash cow has died after having been tended by a bureaucracy used to fiefdoms, unthinking compliance and incapable of the reform needed to simplify the underlying processes. Overseen by politicians that only have a job because they say yes to the right people. Life is not created without a good reaming and government projects are no different. Cue the next one.
I am sure there is a lesson for human colonies in there somewhere.
Re: "We are going to see...more trusting of the government"
> When people start dying and property starts getting destroyed, governments are going to have to do something,
No government likes competition.
Re: And again.
When time comes to change if you bork the OTA updates the car will probably lock the doors, roll up the windows and drive you to the dealers while the audio system alerts the authorities and plays the terms of your software licence agreement over and over again. Do it a second time and it may be a long drive on quiet country roads with the air control system on recirculate. There will be no third time.
'Real' money is magic'd out of thin air anyway. What happens to the crypto coins when the government comes in an cleans out the stash of real money under some pretence of drug smuggling child pornographing terrorists. Or do we end up back at the goldsmiths tale where far more money was issued than was secured because no one ever wanted to withdraw their gold and who doesn't want to be rich.
As others have pointed out this is just a prepaid money transfer system and we already have those. I can see advantages for off the books organisations who want to run a private bank and use this as a transfer payments system but I can't see a lot of advantages over a prepaid debit card.
Re: both previous comments are valid but...
>But this has scant to do with Internet Governance
Just as banks decide winners by electing who to loan to, who to foreclose on and the terms of trade. Internet governors can pick winners by deciding who the gatekeepers are and the rules that must be followed - think China. The Africans' are right to take ownership of the issue with the advantage that any mistakes will be their mistakes and they will have no one to blame or applaud for the outcomes but themselves.
There is only one road rule in most of Oz; smile for the revenue camera / collector. Not too hard to master. Everything else is flexible and is resolved with an exchange of insurance details.
Re: Raises more questions
He will be shocked. Shocked I tell you. Right up until the time he again grasps the levers of power and then these laws will be valuable tools in the fight against [insert latest bogey person here].
Re: Tin foil had required?
nbn staffer is getting in on the act with taking photos of the seized documents: and sending them back through his phone to his masters. It was either a political raid or this was amateur hour at the AFP. We need a name for this sort of maleficence. Something original that suggests the official story doesn't hold water. Maybe watergate.
Re: We are already there
Uncle Sam was heavily involved in the Iraq Iran war. Trying to regain control of the region after the Iranian's disposed the Shah/puppet of Iran. Israel wasn't happy either as the revolutionaries shut off their supply of cheap Iranian oil. Of course Iraq’s Ba'ath party was in power as a result of an earlier destabilisation and overthrow effort supported by the CIA who later armed the Kurds to stop the drift of Iraq towards Russia. Cheney's - we know Saddam has WMD's because we have the receipts - is a reference to the involvement of the US through Iraq's post WW2 history.
Re: "a new generation of coding-capable kids will come up with lots of great ideas"
Re: Equal hatred
It only makes you a semi evil capitalist. With debt based fiat money there is no way society can get ahead and your efforts while appreciated don't amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. Your value to society is as one who borrows and one who consumes others borrowings hence our tax and legal structures which penalise life and labour but reward debt and speculation. This was all decided with the advent of mass production. We could have gone with more leisure or more consumption - sadly it was just a jump to the right.
As productivity increased the positives were not shared equally across society. This means that there are too many people spending way too much time hauling their surplus labour to a place of employment and there is no time for interests and innovation. After a 12 hour day of labour and tediously slow transport who has time to bang together another HP in the garage. I am also not sure how you foster innovation in a nanny state but that is something even the Greens haven't resolved. Personally I would prefer less hauling of my surplus labour and more leisure time. This would afford me less salary but I would use less infrastructure and fewer resources. I would have less health issues and be happier. The hippies didn't get it all wrong.
If Labor was in a position to carry that argument it is probable that Tony Abbott would be leader of the opposition. We saw how wee Billy wilted last time Abbott had him by his privates. Don't expect anything different this time. It doesn't matter who wins we all lose.
A jumble of fuel rods in a spherical vessel. Not quite cobalt blue but getting there. The paralympic one is even missing a section of the roof. Elegantly Japan!
Re: Oh My!
Disposing of reporters wouldn't be a problem. Brother sister fantasy epics might be a bit difficult in a country just coming out of the one child policy. The infantile super hero genre has been very effective in conditioning American's to wait for heroes / authorities so that is translatable. Must be something else.
Only through agreed legal frameworks.
Re: Maybe Larry senses that the time is right?
Larry's just playing to the cheap seats, rollup for the great Turnbull innovation sideshow. See the misogynists heckling the bearded lady. Buy some Cisco kit, be one of the agile kids. There is no chance of Australia becoming the Switzerland of anything (except perhaps cars) our institutions lack the capacity for mature public debate and while we remain compromised by 5-eyes and the 'look over there a terrorist' catchall we are doomed. The only vision our politicians have is for massive immigration to feed the banking/housing ponzi and the other parasites in the FIRE sector and of course expanded police / state security powers to try and protect the haves from the increasing number of nots (especially the young) who will be expected to sacrifice and pay for it all.
This is the problem with the responsible government model when you start electing ex-public servants or politicians that have only ever know the public service. Public servants start representing themselves and no one is representing the wider civilian population. While electing ex-soldiers, ex-policeman, ex-state politicians, ex-uni pretend politicians might seem like a good idea at the time we see the results with Mandatory Data Retention or Defence Trade Control Act type bills, all power to the state and damn the consequences.
Re: Last line in the article...
As well as any other case of this nature.
Too many false flags to advance an agenda to believe the official story this time. Didn't fit the eye witness accounts, a previous police rehearsal at the site and the contamination of *evidence* at the suspects apartment by media rampage. Good Bonnie and Clyde story for the TV though with that shot out SUV.
> _THAT_ should be treated the same way as terrorism
Access to senior officials, large black ops budgets, intelligence support, weapons drops, a resource rich country of your choosing and full media support? That'll teach em!
Re: Political qualifications
> it's not like the rest of the world will listen to you.
If only that were true.
> An expense to NBNCo becomes a profit centre.
Which is of course an additional cost to the consumer and an additional cost reflected in our already appalling balance of trade figures (the imported components like modems). Pay once for the misdirection of resources and a second time for the required service. The opex costs of the now unused (for that consumer) node will probably be factored into the upgrade price to avoid a death spiral of costs for those that remain on copper. The upgrade performed as a unique task will not benefit from economies of scale. What happens to the VDSL modem from the initial installation? eWaste? An inefficiency is still an inefficiency even when it is cost shifted to someone else.
Re: The Strangler?
> I use the Internet and I vote!
Meh. Who cares, the demographics are against you. Multiple or recently deceased voting also pits your one vote against the forgetful or the mendacious. If your tag line was I use the internet and I organise then that would put the fear of dog into the sheltered workshop that is Canberra. But voting, good luck with that.
Re: Nice article Richard
From the Z-Cell faq
The enclosure measures around 1000mm long, 500 mm wide and 1150 mm high and weighs about 240Kg.
Re: Nice article Richard
Except for weight
Re: It's a fair cop
It is invasion-ey. If we had accepted that and argued that the indigenous Australian's were a defeated people and moved on from there then the UNSW would not be causing such a rumpus now. The problem is that the European's have always tried to have a bet both ways. The Mabo decision demonstrated that Terra Nullius was a convenient fiction that should not be examined too closely by polite society. While no other outcome but European colonisation was possible it would help if we were a little more honest about it and worked out where we go from here. Perhaps dropping the beneficent paternalism and beginning to work in good faith. The problems that the indigenous people have had are not a million miles from what many European descendants are now facing with broken families, substance abuse, homelessness and an unrepresentative government whose primary purpose is social control to protect the *elite*. Writing some past wrongs may lead the way for the depressed soulless society that Australia has become to find its own purpose.
They were never just lobbyists. Pravda reported in 2010: Google's Deep CIA Connections.
"In 2004, the Director of Technology Assessment at In-Q-Tel, Rob Painter, moved from his old job directly serving the CIA to become 'Senior Federal Manager' at Google."
It has also been a long standing rumour that CIA seed money helped found Google.
Re: Encouraged to defect?
Much easier to take over a country when there is no one there. Our friends from the only democracy in the Middle East are always looking for new land. if it contains water and oil and is on strategic hydrocarbon transport routes (not the Russian ones obviously) then bonus! Uncle George is urging Europe to take about a million refugees a year. Give it a few years and the world is one step closer to Eretz Yisrael.
2017 / 2018 might be when the chickens come home to roost. nbn co are predicting that they will have massive deployments of the MTM nbn by then and they get to see if income covers costs or if the high CVC charges and operations costs, the collapse in mining investment, the closure of car manufacturing plants and parts suppliers, the drop in Oz R&D, reduced workforce participation as the boomers start to retire, the increasingly litigious environment around copyright in Australia and h265 mean that people find the lowest tier plans are good enough or simply migrate to wireless / tpg / transact. 2017 / 2018 might be when we get to see if the nbn has survived the LNP's two+ years of mismanagement or if the delay was terminal and the only path forward is to sell it in pieces at a loss thus ending a decade of stagnation in Oz (non wireless) telecommunications investment.
Re: I just checked my account
@Kyza and JLV. Hitler was no saint however there were a few things he got right. Debt free money was one of them. The Jewish angle cannot be ignored but even that is not as black and white as the propaganda would have us believe with a number of Jews serving in Hitler's military up to senior ranks. Jews perhaps can see that the interests of the banking families are not the same as the interests of the factory worker. The history of anti-Semitism in Europe suggests that the Jew in the street has paid a high price for the excesses of their peers in the mansions - as we all have.
JLV - in regards nationalizing a currency. In most countries money is not created by the state. The government offers securities (typically interest bearing bonds now that they have no more gold) to private banks who in turn leverage these securities to loan money back to governments / industry / people at additional interest. This is an insanely profitable business to be in - a cut of a few % of global commerce. The trap is that when the money is created as a loan the interest is not created at the same time - that must be created by further borrowing, etc, etc. In times of prosperity - monetary expansion - what is actually happening is economies are sinking further into debt. This is well understood but considerable pressure is applied to anyone who wants to break free from the system. Eg, Libya, Iran, US (audit the fed), Russia (pre Czar) and of course Germany pre WW2. Hitler stabilised Hyper Inflation by abandoning the debt based money and moving to debt free money issued by the state. Per Churchill’s quote in my post above "to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldn’t profit anymore". With debt free money there is little need for the financial middle men with the power to create money out of thin air while taking a cut of every transaction. Consider the city of London, what an absolutely worthless place it would be without the ability of the financial middlemen to take a cut of every transaction. As we saw with the libor rate manipulation, even excess is not enough.
There is a lot information available comparing privately issued debt based currencies to debt free money. it is the driving force behind the destruction of the environment in pursuit of endless growth, it is the root cause of inequality and of course in the west’s wars of aggression to try and maintain their currencies against the burden of debt by stealing others assets.
Re: I just checked my account
Using reaction / response to justify a conflict - in the case of WW2 the Poles crossing the German border and the killing of German citizens - is a pattern we see repeated today. Al Qaeda / ISIS in the Middle East. Kuwait horizontal drilling / Iraq. Just about every conflict involving the CIA in South America, terrorists / resource rich regions of Africa. Georgia / Odessa. What the Western Warmongers are trying to achieve with Donbass / Russia. By the time war is actually declared or comes to the mind of the public the hard work is done and all that is left is for the propagandists to justify the actions in simple terms for a nationalistic unthinking public. Reference some of Churchill's early quotes - a resurgent Germany was primarily an economic threat to the UK. Preparations for the war against Germany can be seen back as far as 1933 with the global boycott of German goods and Companies - a bit like the 10 year siege on Iraq or Iran or Russia or you see the pattern. Using the Poles to start the official hostilities was merely the end of the beginning. Looking at the current NATO buildup in Poland it seems the Poles may be foolish enough to play this role again.
Re: I just checked my account
@Stevie - your fighting them on the beaches was exactly what led to this problem.
Hitler nationalising his currency was what triggered the war. The brave British Bulldog in the service of the money lenders fought to get it back under private control. "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast). Now everyone is up to their eyeballs in debt to private parties who have the ability to create a nations currency out of thin air and charge governments and people interest for the pleasure of doing so. We have seen the rich start to eat their own as a result of this debt pressure, we have seen predatory behaviour in august banking institutions due to this debt pressure. That smaller countries are now coming under direct attack via the international banking system is not a surprise but business as usual. The last country to default wins - then loses.
"Germany’s unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldn’t profit anymore. ...We butchered the wrong pig." -Winston Churchill (The Second World War - Bern, 1960)
Re: Yup, that'll be France.
No, the surrender monkeys are in Australia. I see your creepy surveillance law and raise you bans on branches of mathematics and a whole bunch of civilian technologies that now need government licence in order to do R&D on. The onus of proof is also reversed away from the government.
Defence Trade Controls Act: Under the Act, publication, discussion or communication of research without a Defence permit is punishable by 10 years jail, a $425,000 fine and forfeiture of your research to the government. This includes scientists, academics, librarians, engineers, high tech workers and companies who have never had a prior relationship with the Department of Defence.
The Act doesn’t just apply to military technology, but also so called “dual use” civilian technology, including physics, computers, electronics, communications, manufacturing, medicine and biotechnology.
Re: I wonder what 3 letter US Government agency paid off Amazon?
In 2013 the CIA awarded a contract (then at $600M over 10 years) to Amazon for cloud services. After a bit of legal argy bargy with IBM Amazon got to keep the contract and started the build of the shiny new IC cloud. The US government is an important customer to Amazon. Its show piece role as a secure private cloud provider in an era of super-size government is a key marketing strategy.
Re: Be careful what you wish for
@imanidiot: sorry one more:
Water pollution and gender / gender identity issues are already being raised as potential issues.
Re: Be careful what you wish for
@imanidiot: Good question. Give it 5 years and I will tell you.
Re: Be careful what you wish for
Once we get child friendly white collar workplaces then men will be pushed out of these environments to. It is unlikely such a workplace would produce anything useful so the public sector or NGO's are an obvious first choice. The cancer could then spread to the private sector through gender equity regulation and social pressure. If we follow the normalisation of LGBTI and population control agendas then successful men may eventually need pretend boyfriends as social cover for their oppressive hetro interests. By then of course there will be gender benders in the water and few of us will remember if we were Arthur or Martha.
Re: Head in sand
Don't worry, there is still a need for even more stadiums. Estimates of gas leakage from the Texas Barnett Shale region are about 60,000 kg/h over 25,000 wells. A little more than the California leak at its peak. Then there is the Eagle Ford Shale which probably leaks about the same per well. At about two and a half years to build each stadium I predict a bright future for this industry.
Or perhaps we could have systems in place whereby he needed to convince a third party - like a judge - of his need to access those records at that time. Protect the public from the bad guys and the fraternal order of emotional marshmallows from themselves.
Toshiba, one of the early supporters of SOPA. Their IP was so valuable that their customers became the enemy. Lets see what it is really worth as they slide into irrelevance and bankruptcy.
Re: I support
you tube: Family Guy Right to bear arms
Je suis Viz
Re: Mental note
Not just the name and address, keep an eye on the assignments. Here in Oz we had an assignment at my kids primary school where the children were asked to submit their finger prints. Check essay's - topics like guilt, sorrow, fear and responsibility and ensure they are answered in the abstract. Even kids pictures can be problematic. One family here on Oz was investigated by the states child kidnapping services for drawing a stick figure princess with elongated fingers - elsewhere in the state kids were being beaten, abused and murdered but its much easier to go for a soft target. Teach them about social media and the permanence of data. Do some research on vaccination and make informed decisions on which ones to accept and which ones may only cure corporate profits. Similarly bogus ADHD diagnosis from poor teachers. There are also sites here advising aboriginal children on how to behave around police like (croakey.org/is-this-justice/) they are a good read for all parents and apply to all state authority figures. School is a battleground and being a parent in this environment is a full time job, as it always has been
Re: Tough call
Fell or pushed?
Re: Predictable outcomes of this agreement...
That is what the 5-eyes +1 alliance is all about.
Re: If I were a criminal
Lairs and henchmen, so very Dr Drakken. London and New York have been set up to allow the budding criminal access to global resources in their quest for world domination. Just join one of the big banks. Training, access to resources, legal indemnity and a health plan including dental. Start off simple, say impoverishing African's by privatising and stealing their water. Finish with flourish by financing coal seam gas extraction and ruin the ground and surface water in an entire nation. Implode the global financial system and then demand the world compensate you for their losses. That is POWER!!!
There are of course some groups that have to be paid off but those are legitimate business expenses and are tax deductible. True, housing / lairs in those cities are expensive but you can start by renting. If it is a place you like then get your bank to foreclose and bankrupt the owner. During the US mortgage backed securities fraud (GFC08) the lack of a mortgage or proof of bank ownership did not stop this process - steal away. A bit of imagination and you should be able to get the city to compensate you for any inconvenience. If not just manipulate interest rates and take it out of the margin. You want an army? For a small political donation you can have the armies of several nations at your beck and call with intelligence services that display even less morality than you do. All of the fire power with none of the operational expenses. Got a thing for girls, maybe uniforms, maybe hotel maids - can't beat the banks. Most western nations now offer servitude as a service through their political shop fronts. Sign up today and happy pillaging.
Can't test the planes, can't keep the boats powered, can't even talk about the submarines. Can't keep the red team employees and the economy is heading south. It's looking like the next war might have to be called off or at least significantly delayed. I hope there is enough work left in the Middle East pretending to fight terrorists or in the Ukraine pushing excrement up hill to keep everyone employed and that private fiat money flowing.