Re: No Choice but Windows 8?
Don't go to the 'home' site, go to Small Business. Every desktop I've looked at in the business section has W7 on it.
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Don't go to the 'home' site, go to Small Business. Every desktop I've looked at in the business section has W7 on it.
WRONG. Everything you just posted is incorrect.
An independent school and independent school district are two totally different things. Don't bring confusion to the issue.
Trying to envision a system that requires cooperation of the majority of the players to succeed without understanding this...
is an effort in futility, ignorance, and ultimately failure.
I would rather use D-Link or NetGear then the total POS Belkin is. They are professionals at making gear that sucks. I have a DWL3200 AP that's served me well for years. Only real issue I've had with them is if they get too hot they lose their NVRAM settings.
>Wireless or Fixed? If it is wireless they this is a serious security flaw. If it is a the fixed Ethernet MAC on the home side its impact is nearly zero.
A significant number of devices have only a single digit difference between wireless and ethernet interface. The AP I use (not a belkin), uses the same MAC for the wireless and ethernet interfaces. Only secondary (VLAN) wireless IDs have a totally different MAC assigned.
>Three words: "IS UNIX DEAD?!??!" (extra punctuation added by me)
Linux was still a newborn at that time, and The BSDs had just overcome a huge legal battle. The commercial UNIXes were all proprietary and considerably expensive. It wasn't out of the question at the time that MS was going to kill UNIX as it was (and it did). BYTE at the time followed MS since that's where the money was. Even back then they realized that IBM/OS2 wasn't going to dominate the market. Between 86 and 97 Apple management turned gold in to poo.
In hindsight Microsoft did kill UNIX at the time, with lower hardware costs, cheaper licensing, and letting a large amount of piracy occur. They didn't win by making more reliable software, that's for sure. It wasn't Linux became popular that Microsoft considered any of the Unixlike operating systems a serious threat.
>How did anyone discover Ctrl+V, Ctrl+C, Window+P, Alt+Tab?
I personally remember some kind of sticker or card mounted on the keyboard of the computer I was working at? But that was back in the day when computers and applications came with manuals.
These days we just jab shit with our greasy fingers and hope that everything turns out ok.
The question I'd have about the Dragon processor is, did the failure occur in 'quite' space conditions? Should we expect one of the computers to freak out in a general day to day space operation over the people of $X time? If so that does not bode well for the times that space gets noisy. The sun likes blowing off earth sized chunks of hot gas at times. You never know when a gamma ray burst from god knows where is going to show up either.
Too much faith in humanity I see. If people can't have a computer spit out a number they think they should believe in a timely fashion, they will something far worse. Randomly guess.
Checking bureaucracy.c.......... 6/108 FAILED
crap, lets run it again.
Checking bureaucracy.c.......... 45/108 FAILED
WTF screw this.
Checking user.xls........1/1 PASSED
See, my spreadsheet passed all the unit tests it needed to :p
I think the point of the article was it doesn't matter how many tests the system has, if the system is fucked, the users will route around the damage.
Since I'm already running the Win8 90 day trial I didn't see any more risk installing this. After the install it popped up the initial word first time in a full screen mode and I thought 'Oh shit, it's going to act like a Metro app on Win 8!'. Luckily my first impression was wrong. It is a standard run of the mill program.
Now that said, I've not used Word 2007 or 2010 that much, so it's quite a bit different from the Open Office I use regularly. If you've used the more modern versions for daily work, I don't think it's that much different. The default color scheme is very pale (or bright white depending on your view), I opted to change its appearance (theme) to a dark grey so I could tell my work zone apart from the application.
Office is directly integrated in to a Windows Live account, and when clicking save, allows you to save directly in to a Skydrive (or to your own hard drive if you so choose). If your internet connection is flaky, clicking browse on the Skydrive can lock up the Office interface for quite a while. There is an option for "Add a Place' that gives the options for another skydrive or sharepoint, hopefully there will be a way to add a Google drive in the future if Microsoft lets us have a way. All this said, I'd like to know how Office behaves when I'm offline, and it would be nice to know what it is randomly sending back to the mothership.
Probably uses HTTPS Everywhere. I tend to like to send my packets encrypted too.
In the nature of a full database breech, what would matter then is how many people use the same username across websites. It's not uncommon for people to use the same handle across many websites, in which the outcome is the same. Also, when the full database is taken, they'll get the email account associated with the user anyway.
That also doesn't stop the more in depth hacker from searching any hacked forums by user to see if they leak other usernames and handles to search.
It still boils down to not sharing passwords across sites, and if possible, using a different email on each site.
It's been a while now, but Microsoft almost beat Apple. It wasn't until Jobs came back and developed new and exciting Apple was on the verge of non-existence. It is yet to be seen if the Jobsless Apple can continue to develop new products, or if they will become the bureaucracy they once were. If they don't develop new products, Microsoft and Google will take over their market with time.
I use windows 8 on my computer, I've not even replaced the start screen thinggy with a old style menu... but I pretty much disable all the metro file associations and stay the hell away from metro apps. I don't see how any business multitasking environment could use them on the desktop. I mean most people I see working in businesses don't have one application open. They have from 'a few' to 'OMFG, how do you find the one your are looking for' open at any given time. So far trying to run more then one metro app in multiple screens has ended in odd behavior for me.
I want to see one of these big businesses move someone above call center level to metro apps and see how that works out for them before I force that on anyone I know. Metro apps are going to be 'fun' to debug on the desktop, simply because they work differently and the IT world mostly doesn't have experience with the issues that are going to crop up.
And how many thousand disks do they have? MO disks aren't very high capacity so a huge amount of manual labor would be needed.
Also, since this evidently is the only (or only person would made a fuss about) person that needed the data in recent history, evidently the data isn't that requested.
Medical equipment is where you take a normal device or software and randomly assign X10 to X100 value to it. I will say some of the latest software a clinic I admin uses runs on regular MSSQL, exports to PDF and keeps image records in regular TIFF format. I do believe that I could even migrate data off of it.
I think the biggest reason this data is being kept for long periods of time, even though there is little medical use for it, is lawsuits.
Most likely because they have to keep it (at least in the US). I'd guess a catch-22 situation where they have to have the records, but the costs of conversion are higher then just keeping them in records storage. The vast majority of these records will never be touched again, so after some long amount of time they'll just be shredded.
Eight years compared to what? Installing Windows XP today and expecting 8 years of support isn't going to happen. It's likely that the equipment the image was stored on should have been binned far more then eight years ago, but due to things like hospital bureaucracy and budgets was being used far longer then it should have.
It's highly likely that the DSR-TIFF format software is far older then 8 years too, as I don't think new software to write it has been developed (by the manufacture) for at least 12 years.
Lastly, conversion is expensive, doubly so when you're switching out lots of MO disks. It's not like a huge SAN where you can script it and let it run, lots of manual labor.
I will say in the medical systems I've seen recently, that standards are becoming more common. One system I recently migrated to creates pdf files of most records as a copy outside the database and imaging is stored in a TIFF format. The previous version was a ball full of suck, it used an ancient ASA database that the images were stored in the database bloating it to huge sizes. The practice didn't migrate the records over from the old system because the costs were staggering, when you break it down to per record costs it was cheaper to have people manually move each record over. That's just gouging by the software firms. That's why we end up in situations like the article.
Working with some smaller medical offices has shown me that the cost is insane. I've seen quotes on conversion for many times what the already expensive costs. Many clinics do it on a patent by patient basis. If you visit the clinic or call in they will manually migrate the records over in the time the old system is still running, but if you call in 10 years later, it's pretty much 'gone'.
Run wireshark, or whatever packet capture software you have for your operating system and see what it's doing. That's going to be the only way to tell what is really going on. I've not seen these issues on any computer I use, so there is obviously a set of circumstances that must happen for this to occur.
I thought I read somewhere that these models had a capacitor to keep the write cache from being lost on power outage. The X-25s were known to have issues where data was lost even if write barriers were turned on.
Even worse, when the SSDs where set in the modes to flush transactions to disk reliably the performance was about the same as a raid setup.
*As I'm writing this I've read that the 710 has "Enhanced Power Loss Data Protection" that should protect the drive from power loss. I can't wait to see this benchmarked and trialed on real database loads.
"Oh got, it's happening again"
With a look of horror on your face.
I could guess that most of the reason is that you very rarely use the desktop on a server, the new metro interface being the worst part of W8. Because you aren't hampered (as much) by the interface all the performance improvements in 2012 actually stand out. That said, the full desktop is all boxy like windows 8, but not so colorful.
I've just started testing 2012 this week on older hardware. We're currently hot adding and expanding disks and filesystems to see how it performs. It's currently acting as a backup to the backup server so it's not mission critical if it fails, but I'm awaiting to see how the deduplication goes. That could be a major space saver in some of our applications.
Different use case. Where the bank (and possibly you) stands to lose real money, they put a lot of protection in to it. It is also likely you, at most access your bank a few times a day.
Pulling credit reports is different. First, Experian loses nothing if you slurp up tons of other peoples data. You can't transfer anything away from them, even if you copied the entire database, they'd still have the database, unlike transferring money out of ones account. Second, one business can pull hundreds of credit reports in a day. Also, the history of pulling credit reports can be very 'bursty'. You might run a big sale over a weekend and pull 50 reports then only do a few over the next week.
Since these businesses don't care enough about your personal information already (they're letting their systems get infected), if Experian makes it too difficult to pull data, it's likely the business could use another data service that gave easier access.
What exactly is wrong with a VM in full screen mode? Hot corners go right to the edge.
There will be piles of people that never see that start video.. Why? A technician sets up their login and desktop the first time. Or, they use someone other persons computer. I'm sure other scenarios can be thought of.
What is stupid is Microsoft has this huge tile based start menu with lots of space to put shit, and they didn't even think of linking the tutorial there so other people could find it easy.
Well in the US they buy up as much of the spectrum as they can, eat all the other operators, and jack prices up high. Just like broadband. There has been no race to the bottom, only a race to fleece the customer as much as possible.
Hook, who is MS trying to sell this too? Your flame points this out, even though you didn't expect it to. Right clicking and other 'hidden data' doesn't make it easy for new users who are looking for visual clues on what to do. Magic keycodes are only used by power users who know the codes in the first place, these power users are the ones that seem to be doing the most 'bitching' that Microsoft changed things for no good reason (and plenty of bad ones).
I do hate to say this, but... We need to take away the right mouse button from Microsoft for a while. Yes, Mac's sucked because they didn't have it, but MS is abusing the right click in places that it shouldn't. They have forgot that instead of letting the user blindly right click his way around, you need to give VISUAL INDICATORS. It's even weirder that MS is doing so much blind right clicking on the (metro) desktop when tablets don't have a right click.
And yes, this message was posted from Windows 8.
Your description is probably correct, but very long. I'll give a give an example of the terrible context switching that comes default on W8.
You are surfing the web and click to read a PDF file. It opens the 'metro' default PDF viewer which takes up the entire screen (no viewing the webpage and pdf unless you have multi-monitors). When you are done reading the pdf, what do you do now? There is no X. You can use the hot spot in the upper left to go back to the desktop, but the pdf doesn't close. Or you can ALT+F4 which closes the PDF viewer, but now you are at the metro interface not your original webpage so you have to take an extra step of going back to the desktop.
Metro, how work doesn't get done.
W8 has a 'time-machine' like File History application built in. Point it at another drive and you can go back and see a change history of your files, and they're protected from your main drive crashing. That's one thing.. I guess.
I like W8 other than the stupidity of the UI related to Metro, charms, and hot corners. It's really sad they messed up a good operating system with it. That said, without the Metro controversy, W8 wouldn't be too much more then a W7SP2.
Badmonkey, I'm not sure about failing to install, but from what I've just read there are all kinds of issues with Metro not working correctly on the 5:4 ratio. Applications not coming up, screen locking at black.
This gives a little insight on why odd stuff like this may happen.
It's not 'who moved my cheese?'
It's 'who moved my cheese from the cupboard to the bathroom?'
Microsoft took a perfectly good OS (windows 8) and stuck a stupid, poorly thought out metro interface on it. I swear it's designed to get you to run your mouse over as many tiles as possible. Why is 'all apps' hidden with a right click?
No, people aren't pissed that their cheese is moved, it's that it's moved to stupid, complicated, hidden places. The shutdown menu as you pointed out, Why? Is Start > Shutdown just too much.
Windows 8 is like two operating systems at one. Power users can use their keyboard to get stuff done quickly if they know the magic (I do, but hell, now it now just like using Linux). For the rest of the world that will never learn the shortcuts Windows is dolled up like a fancy whore that has fancy makeup and flashy bits you have to go thru to get to what you wanted to do in the first place.
XP and previous start menu sucked when it exploded over your screen. Vista and 7 did it right and reminded me more of the way Mac displayed programs. Win7s start menu works rather well and is anything but ungainly. If you want ungainly find the magic pixel and then have the damn thing take over your screen. Sometimes you want to look at your start menu and desktop, without having dual monitors. Oh, yes lets also 'hide' all your shit with a right click too. Oh and make it so you can't group the shit the way you want to. Oh, and lets make it so when you do get in Metro editing mode, a) you don't realize it, b) you get no hints on what your doing.
Yes, Microsoft moved some crap around in W7 that was weird, but all interface is picked up pretty quick. The W7 interface doesn't interrupt the workflow you are used to with XP, other then UAC. Now take a default W8 install and stick at XP or W7 user behind it and see what happens. I've been using W8 for months now and it still surprises me with odd shit it does to this day.
Yes, you can use the desktop, but it doesn't work the same way as W7 and previous. Want to view your 'start menu' and desktop at the same time? Better have dual monitors. Funny for a 'touch screen' based operating system I find my self using the Win+R key or cmd prompt to run programs more then ever since Metro send you thru more mouse clicks and running across the screen with your mouse to get to what you need to. I did something where the tiles on the Metro screen wouldn't launch the applications when I clicked on them for a time, still trying to figure out what I hit, since I know some customer will call me in the future with the issue. It would have been nice for the OS to give me some clue as to what 'mode' it was in.
The interface is half baked. All the good features of W8 will be overshadowed by the craptacular interface that makes it harder to get your work done if you've had any experience with Windows before now.
Complicated license schemes are always good for the seller. Clear license terms are always better for the buyer. If the the buyer isn't confused about what he needs how will he overbuy the stuff he doesn't, and isn't ever going to use. You don't have to provide support for the software the customer pays for but doesn't use.
I agree, around the time the core2duo came out and many mainboards when to solid caps, the average desktop computer was fast enough for the average person. I'm running a 4 year old Duo that I've stuck the Win8 enterprise evaluation just so I'd know what the poor souls were talking about when they called me. It does everything I need at this time and don't have any need to replace it with something faster that I wouldn't use to full potential.
For many of my clients I'll set up a program like eraser to empty and secure erase the contents of the recycle bin and the free space on the hard drive.
Here's another interesting question, can a FOI request be made on specific versions of a file where it is known the operating system keeps file versioning running.
'Oh no, not again.'
Urinating through the mouth, is that what our politicians are doing on TV? Heh, lets give the chinese another grant and let them investigate how many forum users are defecating through their keyboards.
This story needs to be converted to a fable where two men in a boat get tangled in a fishing net and fall overboard. Each one tries to swim to a different shore because they believe it to be the closest. They both drown and their rotting remains are ate by Microsoft.
This fable should be told as a bed time story to children and CEO's to terrify them on not keeping their teams heading in the same strategic direction.
Agreed. Most new PCs that I install these days are replacements for very aged machines, 6 years +. It seems once we got around the 2GHz mark that software demands for the average business user leveled out and that until you got in to power users and developers that people writing business plans and word documents simply don't need more computer at this time. The 'bad caps' point in history cycled out a lot of computers that would have lasted for years at the jobs they were entailed. A lot of these machines were replaced by faster computers with solid caps that will likely continue to run for years more.
My main desktop is a 2008 model. I've jammed bigger hard drives in it over time, and some more memory, but it does everything I need. I currently have a drive in it running Windows 8, and despite the abortion of an GUI, it runs perfectly fine. When something works perfectly fine for a business they don't tend to spend money for new ones.
Just installed the W8 Enterprise trial. The setup screen is like an LSD trip of bright colors. WTF man, they need to take way the all you can eat pills buffet from the designers.
For the most part I was stating that there is not magic in desktop PCs that make them tougher then laptops/etc, just that they see less abuse.
The stationary PC market has peeked. The PC market isn't dead. There's a big difference. The fact that a years old PC is still 'fast enough' will Consumers demanding that PCs last longer then in the past will shrink the market further. This means different things to different people. To me this means I get to spend less money less often. To Dell this means they get to make less money less often and that they should really focus less on the desktop line and put more effort in to tablets.
Which is true with the corollary 'Microsoft's downfall will be with the data'. Once you learn how to store data in a manner that's not microsoft concentric you can then present the data in any number of ways. It doesn't matter if you're a Windows house with SQL server and MS everything, when your data can be opened with a web browser, an iOS app, or a Windows program, you and your customers have another degree of freedom.
>Why does Microsoft and half the rest of the world think that they should be forcibly...
Microsoft is still drunk on monopoly power.
They have so long forced users, customers, OEMs, etc in to doing what they want, that is how they operate. They want to take their desktop monopoly and jam it in to the cell/tablet market where they are desperate to establish a foothold. If they can't capture a good part of the cell/tab market by force they are in trouble, they have shown no ability to capture the market by merit. Who knows, it might work out for them in the end since Apple doesn't strive to meet businesses needs.
>They last longer.
If you left your cellphone or laptop on a desk for its entire lifetime, I'm sure you would find that they last quite a long time. Conversely, if you tote your desktop everywhere, I'm pretty sure the failure rates go up (at least from personal experience when I used to do LAN gaming with friends and moved the gaming machine around commonly).
We're to the point where the average desktops processing power if far beyond what most people are going to use. This will reenforce the 'post-PC' world, who will make any money off desktops when they last 5 to 10 years of useful life.
>must have the latest version...
In cell phones, in America at least, you can blame the mostly 'free' cellphone with an extended contract. If people had to pay the real cost of them, they'd tend to use them for far longer periods of time. Also, cellphones and tables are 'social trendy' devices, your desktop locked in a room somewhere with a little crust on the keyboard isn't so much.
>install any OS on them over...
Most people will never do that. Most people will never jailbreak their phone either. Most PCs will run the OS they were installed with simply because most modern operating systems are supported for the life of the hardware. In tabs/cellphones manufactures have left a graveyard of unsupported devices as OS of the month or hardware of the day was rolled out, but the same thing was true for a lot of computer hardware over time. Given time, tables will standardize to a few manufactures and then people can develop operating systems for them (as long as the DRM is bypassable). Smartphones and tablets are still young markets.
Manufactures will just have to face that the PC market is a shrinking market. Capital markets don't like investing in shrinking markets so a lot of investment money will go to other technology instead. This is why Microsoft is so desperate to get in to another market. People aren't buying first PC's anymore, they are replacing ones that are dying or slow.
I'll still have a PC for a long time to come, but it's not my go to all the time electronic device it was at the start of the 21st century.
90 days seems terribly short, apt to delete the emails from the start of a project that isn't finished yet. If the other client saved his records the company will look like a real ass in front of a judge who may make the assumption that the company deletes records (emails) so fast because they are 'Shady as Shit™'
Tyranny, coming in April.
“Society can and does execute its own mandates: and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with it ought not to meddle, it practices a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.”
― John Stuart Mill