153 posts • joined 21 Feb 2011
I really think the presentation has it right with the term "emotional cyborg!"
We need this why..?
Re: What am I missing?
You are also missing the fact that hackers will figure out how to leverage a standard "bricking" procedure and that even if the phone gets bricked, there will still be parts in it that have value.
I, for one, am glad this is being rolled out as opt-in and hope it never gets beyond opt-out. I don't want this functionality on my phone and will disable it for as long ass I can.
The real news...
...and I'm not even sure how newsworthy it is, is that T-mobile seems to be out of the feature phone business. As for the rest:
They've been offering unlimited talk and text for at least 2 years now.
They've been doing the throttle instead of overage on data for at least as long.
As far as I can see (AFAICS?), they haven't really done anything except make a bunch of noise about what they're already doing.
I'm a T-Mo customer and a basicly happy one at that, but they sure have gotten circus-y of late.
re: I will not...
Oh, were that it could be true. Enjoy life in your cave...
Re: 1.2Gb free data for a year WTF
No, it's actually 1.2Gb per month, not per year as stated in the article.
Still, that doesn't seem like a lot of data if you want to do anything like stream video. And I still don't buy the whole "you need a separate data plan for every device you own" thing. My phone is a hotspot (even if I have to pay a little more for it, which I still think is absurd in it's own right), I can get all the mobile data I need on my wifi-only devices that way.
"In the AnTuTu screen shot, it's ranked behind the Galaxy S4"
Yeah, I find that score highly suspect myself. The S5 running at 2.5Ghz can't beat an S4 running at 1.9Ghz or the Note 3 running at 2.3Ghz? Something in the background must be eating CPU.
"... suggesting a closed 'virtual reality' headset closer to the Oculus Rift than the 'augmented reality' of Google's Glass unit."
Google Glass is not 'augmented reality' by a long shot. It's a tiny screen sitting at the edge of the user's vision. Augmented Reality, on the other hand, is an overlay on what the user sees in front of them.
"The real problem with a 10", 12" or 14" screen is that, so far, they weigh too much."
I always find this humorous when I see it. The Note Pro 12.2 clocks in at 753g. My Acer A500 is 730g and I've never once thought it was too heavy. I don't think the extra 23g would even be noticeable.
That being said, the thing is still way too expensive.
You're making the rash assumption that those congressional refuseniks want a space program at all.
"If God wanted man to go to space, he'd have given him gills...er, something."
The consumption myth
Subscriptions and such not withstanding, maybe this will finally put to bed the myth that tablets are only good for content consumption and useless for creation.
...and before you start griping about the on-screen keyboard, go look at all the real keyboards available for an iPad on Amazon.
@Sandtitz Re: @Vector
"The reality - however - is that there is malware for Android, but the Winphone (and RT) malware stats are still zilch, nada, zip, zero."
First, I hope that you're prepared to back that statement with facts as I suspect that there is malware out there, you just haven't heard about it yet. Second, if there is malware out there, there will be far more targeting Android since it's a broader target, just as Windows has been the primary target in the desktop world due to its broad deployment.
For years, Apple touted how much more secure the Macintosh OS was over Windows when the reality was, they weren't anymore secure, just that no one really bothered to target Macs. Once their marketshare began to rebound, viruses suddenly started to appear on their vaunted systems.
@Sandtitz Re: @eulampios
"I see you didn't refute the AC's claim about mobile OSs at all. Why?"
How about because an OS is an OS? Its purpose is to provide an interface for applications to the hardware on the device. The distinction between "Mobile" and "Desktop" is getting sillier and sillier everyday. With 8 inch Windows 8 devices and (for the moment, at least) 21 inch Android AiOs, they're all just computers at this point.
Re: "I must have touched a nerve"
I say own your downvotes. They indicate you're more than a suckup, humor or not. Just because people don't like your opinion doesn't mean it's invalid.
oh...and long live ed
Re: A few problems with these things
"Cue flood of comments explaining that they do, in fact, want one."
Okay, I'll bite.
Actually, I think everyone wants VR, they just want the Matrix or Caprica. The problem is, you don't get to that in one swell foop. I've played around with some of the HMDs that have come out to date and the FOV and price have been the death knell of every one. The market speak for all of them has been "It's like looking at X size screen from Y distance" which has always translated to "Here, strap this tiny monitor to your face and pretend it's immersive." The excuse has always been the motion sickness issues. Oculus and now, possibly, Sony are finally trying to deal with all these issues and maybe we'll finally move forward with this whole VR thing.
One thing though: Sorry, Sony. I really want VR but this ain't gonna get me to buy a PS4.
Re: I always thought it was some sort of search aggregator
Alibaba.com is the wholesale or B2B website. They also run aliexpress.com, which is the retail (B2C) site.
Re: What fucking idiot ...
" What fucking idiot would buy into anything like a tat-bizarre based in Mainland China?"
You mean the company that posted $792 million in profit in their last earnings report. To put that in perspective, America's favorite tat-bazaar, Amazon, only posted $274 million or about a third of Alibaba.
And those are actual profits, not "don't worry, we'll figure out how to monitise it someday" speculation.
"The problem with the larger Samsung pads is the price"
Agreed. I'm getting so sick of manufacturers adding a hundred bucks for every "feature" they throw in their devices. Add 16GB of memory that costs them maybe 5 dollars and that'll be another 100 to you and I.
This one is particularly nettling because the larger screen is either cheaper or a wash to the 10 inch due to probable lower defect rate in the glass.
I'd love to have a large tablet. I'd really like to have a 15" tablet. Maybe when Samsung starts writing off the 12 inchers and the discounting gets serious, I'll think about one.
I'd agree with your analysis if it weren't for the fact that there appear to be 3 Million of these mistakes lying around.
Generally, in the scenario you posit, the company will short run the experiment, not tie up $1.5 billion worth of potential writedown just to thumb their noses at the shareholders
Re: Shouldn't there be inventory of iPhone 5S available by now too?
Inventory, yes. A glut of inventory, probably not.
I never understood the point of the 5C once the price became known. I doubt it increased marketshare by much and it's so ugly, it's got to have diminished their brand. Apple may not intend to make "junk phones," but this one sure looks to make a liar of Mr. Cook.
"Car makers have been installing iPod compatible controls on stereos for years."
It's one thing to assist with the control of your iPod or iPhone. It's quite another to require an iPhone to control your car's infomatics.
"It's a brand values thing."
Sorry, but that's not brand value. That's simply market reduction and customer inconvenience all for an attempt at lock-in by the phone vendors.
The sad thing is, it rather assumes that you'll change your $30,000 car almost as often as you change your $600 phone (which is more like $200 at point of sale these days), something which I'm sure would delight the auto manufacturers.
"Apple clearly hope that everyone will see what they do is the "de facto" standard..."
Not much of a "standard" when It starts by requiring a connector only available on the iPhone. And only newer iPhones at that.
Apple is not alone in this. Google is apparently doing something similar with the "Open Automotive Alliance" for Android devices.
I just don't get the thinking from auto manufacturers. "Hey, let's limit our market by putting an infomatics system in our cars that only works with certain devices!" What a great idea...
So, for once, sanity prevails...
...how'd that happen?
Re: What I need... (what I have...)
"Your car from 1994 probably has a cassette player"
LOL, didn't think that one through. I actually do have the audio bluetooth connection because after market car stereos with new features can still be added to older vehicles.
But, thanks, DJO, maybe I could get one for my Boombox!
What I need...
...is a bluetooth connection to the audio system in my car. I'd like to have a bluetooth connection to OBD (though I'm not really sure why, just 'cause). Unfortunately, my car is too old (1994) to have OBD2, so no luck on that one.
Other than that, I have a dash mount for my phone and access to everything I need from it without some auto manufacturer's re-imagining of how it should work.
We may not want cloud storage, but it sure looks like Google and the manufacturers want it. Finding a phone with an microSD slot is getting harder every year. It's the primary reason I bought a Galaxy S4 over an HTC One.
You can desire it all you want, but if no one makes it, you're just as screwed.
Oh, yeah! And just a moment of wonder at 128GB (no matter what the speed) in a thumbnail. Weren't too long ago (2001) that was a cutting-edge 3.5 inch HDD.
@Jim 59 Re: Literally
Besides, in this case, the classic application of the term is correct. In modern banking institutions, most of the money is nothing more than a digital representation which is literally stored and secured on their mainframes.
Re: Buyer beware
"Highly unlikely that any lock+wipe mechanism will stop the phone being useful for emergency calls."
As I understand it, the idea behind this is to make the phone useless to the thief. That would mean "bricking" it which would have to be irreversible or, aside from protecting personal data, there would be no point. Bricking means no functionality which would include emergency calls.
One other thing that occurs to me, even if the phone is bricked, it would still have many parts, in particular the screen, that would still be valuable on the black market.
This legislation is a fool's errand.
Re: Buyer beware
"Honestly, this is such an obvious thing, I don't know why anyone would be against it..."
Ok, let me fill in a couple of reasons:
First, although this will change the behavior of criminals, it is likely that it will have minimal deterrent effect in the long run as thieves will simply learn that they need to quickly shield a stolen phone to keep it from being wiped.
Add to that, the new vector for hackers to create havoc in our daily lives. Eventually, they'll figure out how to compromise it and you'll reach for your phone one day to find it's dead, quite possibly at the time you need it most to make an emergency phone call. As mentioned in another thread, this has already happened to reporter Matt Honan though that was more social engineering than coding trickery.
This is a knee-jerk (read: not well thought out) reaction to a problem that's getting media attention.
@SuccessCase Re: meet the Law of Unintended Consequences...
"It can already done to iDevices through Find My iPhone. The user has the option to put it in lost/stolen mode. No reports of hackers locking users out of their iPhones."
But isn't this exactly what Orwell Predicted?
It's been quite a while since I read 1984, but as I remember a part of the scary efficiency of the state was that they didn't have to worry about monitoring the populace because "good citizens" would do it for them.
Re: "Personally, I'd have nominated Eadon for his enthusiasm alone..."
“He has a remarkable ability ... to really understand how we come together at Microsoft to execute against those opportunities in a collaborative way,” Ballmer said.
Just as they've done for the last 5 years or so!
Landfill components at a premium(ish) price.
So, Lenovo takes the parts that are flooding into low end chinese tablets, wraps them in a shiny case with a tube moulded on to the side (which, I suspect will just become annoying as time rolls on) and then charges 2 to 3 times what the competition wants?
Allow me to point out that the cylinder thingy that everyone is raving about would be better incorporated into a case/cover which could be removed when not needed.
Other than that...pass
While I feel sorry for the guy and all, really? Are we going to be plumbing the depths of fashion on the red carpet soon?
Re: Not sure
"Last I checked, most cell phone plans treat any number within the country the same: including "toll-free" numbers because it's the AIRTIME you're paying for"
That's certainly true today, but in olden times, we had this thing called a "long distance" bill where you had to pay to call outside your local calling area. For decades, the toll-free number was a way for companies to absorb those costs for their customers to intice them to call.
This sounds like the same thing for the internet with one large caveat: AFAIK it only pays the bandwidth for AT&T subscribers unlike toll-free numbers which covered all telephone customers regardless of their service provider. Fix that and I see no effective difference from toll-free service.
Re: Yes we know.....
"...strapped parents are not buying little Johnny a new laptop until he stops looking up porn or playing games and actually does some proper school work on it...."
Besides, he can do most of that just as well on a tablet anyway.
Re: They said "IP packets," and then put down their gold monocles
Take off your tin foil hat.
This is not about the wireless transition, it's about eliminating an old network infrastructure (TDM) that would have died long ago were it not for a mandate from the FCC to maintain it. Those "Bell competitors" will still be able to offer their services on the replacement IP network.
Re: Sounds reasonable
I don't know how things are in Italy, but in the US, he'd basicly be saying "I'd rather be a**raped than put up with her."
Re: This got me thinking
"Maybe the Second Foundation will do things better. I hope so."
They are monitoring the situation and making adjustments as neccesary. Hopefully, no "Mule" will show up to toss a spanner in...
Poor ol' 5C
I found it kinda funny that the iPhone 5 is outselling the 5C. So much for "Cheap"
@Vic Re: So what?
Well, yeah. Just because there are a lot of them, doesn't mean they make sense...
Re: Whale Whores
CHICKEN AND COW!
Re: How is this hyping Twitter's IPO
Hyping the IPO? Not.
Embracing a privately held commercial portal as a public forum? Is.
I don't want anything to do with FB or Twitter, but it's getting harder and harder to participate in anything anymore without having an account on both (with whatever privacy issues are associated). Please review the difference between a public standard like email or sms and a privately controlled platform like Facebook or Twitter.
Re: What about my mp3s?
"Nor will you have to tether your PC it to the ground to stop it floating away."
True, but a similar thought did occur to me when they mentioned it was lighter.
Re: Without Apple we wouldn't have had all the competition
@PJI " Android or Google had shown no inclination, not a hint in the direction of mobile phones or tablets until their man on Apple's board was intelligent enough to understand what Apple were about to do and betrayed his privileged position."
That might be true of Google but it certainly is not true of Android. That company was focusing on a mobile operating system a year before Apple even started the iPhone project. Google may have stepped in after seeing what Apple was doing, but Rubin & Co were already doing it.
@AC 23:40 "Gosh, how's that for a non sequitur. By the same logic, as Apple (and Samsung and HTC) were founded much earlier, did they all have a "pretty idea" long before Android or Google founders were even born? How about, credit where credit is due?"
Your assertion might be valid if any of the companies you mentioned had been created to focus on mobile operating systems as the original Android company was.
As to "credit where credit is due," that's exactly my point. Although Apple has been incredibly successful in mobile, they no more created the smartphone or tablet markets than they invented the GUI.
Re: Without Apple we wouldn't have had all the competition
"The original Android phone was basically a BlackBerry clone. Google had to go away and reengineer it in order to make it a touch based system."
Again, wrong. Even the G1 was a touchscreen phone. The slideout keyboard was just an added feature of the phone (a feature which persisted across many different models well into the Gingerbread era of the OS).
Re: Without Apple we wouldn't have had all the competition
"Love or hate Apple, the fact of the matter is that they upped the bar for smartphones in 2007 / 2008 and really forced other manufacturers look hard at what they were doing, they made Google say "fuck, we gotta do something about this". In 2010 they released the iPad which is the first tablet to ever acquire a mass market adoption, making other manufacturers say "fuck fuck fuck, we've got to get a piece of this" "
Wrong, in many ways. Android was founded as a company in 2003, several years before the advent of the iPhone and bought by Google in 2005, so they had a pretty idea of how the wind was blowing before Apple "upped the bar." The same is true of tablets; the concept had been around for years before the iPad and the screen interactions refined in the smartphone segment were going to lead to tablets whether Apple entered the market or not. They did get a bit of a head start in tablets as the Android team scrambled to adapt their OS to the larger screen, but that lead is now evaporating just as it did in smartphones and apps. Next, their lead in "tablet optimized apps" will tail off.
Apple's biggest fear at this point should be what we learned in the Mac/PC wars: cheap and functional trumps elegant. The Mac OS was far more elegant than anything Microsoft came up with until, possibly, Windows 95 (which, for all it's faults, was a superior operating system to any Mac OS prior to OSX primarily due to preemptive multitasking). Yet, for all that, Apple slowly sank towards bankruptcy until Jobs salvaged the company with the iPod.
"Nice price and from the renders at least they look good, shame that I bet they're plastic rather than metal bodies."
Sorry, but you can get a tablet with the same guts as these (1280x800 screen, MediaTek Cortex-A7 class SoC) for a third of the price. IIRC, there is a bit of aluminum in the body, but nowhere near enough to justify these prices.
Re: "Lenovo is all about innovation and strong leadership"
Take it down a notch, would y'all!?
Apparently, Mr. Kutcher has a fairly well respected track record as a tech investor (though how much of that is him and how much is his partners, I wouldn't begin to say). I wouldn't presume to say how much better or worse qualified he is than any of the millions of others in tech who have had the title of engineer misappropriated for them (I've had the title once or twice, but I've never asked for it).
Don't assume he's unqualified simply because he's an actor. Remember, one of the foundations for modern wireless communications was invented by Hedy Lamarr. He certainly couldn't do much worse than those Yoga tablets Lenovo just released yesterday.
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