Re: @ Goldmember
"You're telling us that taking away their right of way and telling drivers that the roads belong purely to cars will somehow make pedestrians safer?"
Not at all. It's all about etiquette. When it's my turn to use the road, pedestrians should wait. When it's their turn, I should wait. If either party breaks this rule and ignores their own traffic light, they should be fined. At present, only motorists are subject to this. If this situation was evened up, busy city roads WOULD logically be safer.
"stop for them if you can. If you can't, fair enough -- and that is the police's and CPS's view."
Yes, eventually, and hopefully. But I still maintain the fact that the police will usually side with the pedestrian until an investigation is carried out, thus 'asking the questions later' and putting the motorist through a bigger ordeal than the one they're already going for having hit someone.
"you said that anyone who walks in the road at all"
Nope. The 'as and when they see fit' qualifier I added, in addition to the term 'jaywalking', was a reference to people who choose to walk across the road when advised not to by pedestrian lights (the red man), thus putting themselves in danger. Obviously if my light is red, it's their turn to use the road and I'm not going to complain about that. My point is that in cities, the red light for pedestrians should be compulsory, not advisory.
"you said that anyone who walks in the road at all -- not just people on phones, not just people who aren't paying attention -- should be fined because you incorrectly believe that they have no right to be there while you in your car do, i.e., they should be given a criminal record for getting in your way"
Yet again, no and no. I didn't say either of those things. For one, this line (a direct quote from my comment):
"spot fines for idiotic people who 'jaywalk' in urban areas"
states quite clearly that I was referring to 'idiotic' people, those who don't pay attention; not to every single pedestrian who uses the road. You chose to ignore this obvious statement and instead formed your own incorrect interpretation of what I actually wrote.
Secondly, an on the spot fine issued by a local council for jaywalking wouldn't constitute a criminal record. It would be akin to a parking fine; annoying, severe enough to make you think twice next time, but no long term repercussions.
Honestly, you should actually read things through before jumping to conclusions. I have no problem with pedestrians who use the roads safely, only with those who choose not to, and subsequently put my safety at risk.