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Germany warns: You just CAN'T TRUST some Windows 8 PCs

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Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse..

Whether the story is true or not doesn't even matter any longer. One way or the other; it's another nail into the coffin that is Windows 8.

How much more will follow? More importantly: when will Microsoft finally wake up and start working their way out of this mess?

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Acorn’s would-be ZX Spectrum killer, the Electron, is 30

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Wrong market?

I always felt that the Electron was aiming at the wrong market. Because although it could be used as a game computer the games and multimedia capabilities which it had were actually hardly impressive. That is; impressive enough, but in comparison to the Commodore 64 not that great.

But one of it's real strengths was absolutely it's language. BBC Basic for example. At that time and age this critter even allowed me to use inline assembly straight within my basic program. Not even my C64 could pull stunts like that off!

So to me the Electron always felt more professional than the C64, even though the C64 appealed more to me because of it's multimedia capabilities. But this one was a classic.

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US highway agency awards Tesla Model S RECORD safety score

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Easily explained..

Obviously a car which doesn't run anymore also won't be able to cause much casualties.

Well, either that or I have been watching Top Gear a little too much ;)

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Microsoft Exchange: To host or not to host

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Should be obvious...

When looking at "cloud" there's little you can do when it comes down (take Google (though not directly comparable), take the recent Amazon or Microsoft outages...). Perhaps apart from looking up their own error reports (if they actually share anything) or social media.

And no matter how hard you scream, threaten (or actually start) with throwing chairs or start crying over vaporated clouds; it won't make the outage magically go away.

Yet when that local server comes down and you have a qualified IT team or department then at least you can start yelling at those guys ;-) It might even help motivate them to fix the issue a bit quicker (depending on the issue(s) at hand obviously).

Keep things in-house and you gain more control. Go into the cloud all you want, but don't be surprised if you find lots of fog along the way.

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Windows NT: Remember Microsoft's almost perfect 20-year-old?

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@Michael

Amen to that; where server and client basically used the same engine. I recall that with adding one bmp file (the server logo) and changing a single registry key you'd immediately get your client to act and fully behave like a server. Including all configuration options which were server specific (not that there were as many as today, but even so...).

Of course the server version was a lot more expensive. It's a server afterall..

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Microsoft warns of post-April zero day hack bonanza on Windows XP

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Does MS actually know how to make money?

It's usually done by providing that which your customers want.

So if there are still so many XP users out there, why not come up with a subscription plan to keep XP maintained with security updates for a year or so? When you got a lot of people paying for that then you might actually make some money out of it..

Yet it seems MS is very good at completely ignoring the obvious.

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Xbox 180: Microsoft scraps mandatory Kinect policy

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@Trevor

I think it's more likely that they're being forced to do the right thing instead. If they don't comply to the gamers wishes then they can look at yet another major loss in sales, and something tells me that Microsoft is slowly reaching a point where they can't afford losses like that any longer.

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Despite Microsoft Surface RT debacle, second-gen model in the works

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If there's one thing Microsoft is good at...

It's turning something totally bug ridden into a decent or maybe even high-quality product. Just look at some of their software products and their history.

The main problem here, especially in a market where you actually need to compete, is that by the time you actually fixed all the mess it remains to be seen if you also managed to undo yourself of the (negative) legacy opinions which the product has gained so far.

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Study finds online commentards easily duped, manipulated

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Sure, but uhm...

Internet forums often use reader moderation to determine which comments are the best, but new research suggests that tallying up and down votes for online comments is a poor measure of those comments' actual quality.

Well, all they had to do was read xkcd on the TornadoGuard rating.

This isn't about quality; it's mostly about opinions. And yeah, sometimes people don't agree with yours and sometimes they do. But to link ratings to quality is a bit far fetched to begin with; because wouldn't it take quality to judge quality? So what exactly are the requirements on "personal quality" before one can start voting?

Usually it only takes filling out a registration form.

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@Rippy

Which Internet are they talking about?

Well, I'd like to share the place but then I'm afraid it wouldn't be nice anymore ;)

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Snowden's secure email provider Lavabit shuts down under gag order

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@AC

I predict a large scale exodus of companies hosting in the USA.

Well, that remains to be seen. Because in general it will be a lot easier for them to simply change their usage policies and be done with it.

Sure, some will hold their ground based on their moral values, but I can't help wonder how many of the companies which claim to have "moral values" will actually live by them now that its being put to the test?

In general it's easier said than done.

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Acer to downplay Windows in favor of Android, Chrome OS

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And the irony of it all...

Is in my opinion that Microsoft has brought this all upon themselves.

Times have changes; people and companies actually get a choice in the matter.

Still; here's hoping that something good comes out of all this. Maybe Microsoft will, at one point, be (financially) forced into supplying older software (think Windows 7, Office 2010, etc.) besides their current line of (unwanted) software.

I think that could be very good for business too. There's plenty of demand for Office 2010 in my surrounding whereas 2012's simplified looks actually seems to scare some people off.

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End of an era as Firefox bins 'blink' tag

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Not all is lost ;-)

We still have our trusty CSS3 animation ;-)

<style>

@keyframes blink {

from {color: black; }

to {color: white; }

}

</style>

Now all that's left is using animation and referring to this keyframe section:

<p style="animation:blink .5s infinite">This is now blinking!</p>

Takes a little more code than one tag, but looks so much better, sorta ;-)

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Microsoft unveils push-button app generator for Windows Phone

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They're getting desperate it seems...

First you needed to cough up nearly $100,- just to get an option to be able and hack away with your phone, simply because every Windows Phone is "dev locked", so even if you hook it up to Windows then there's no way you'll be able to access the device through .NET calls.

Then they started their refund promo's. Of course; it wasn't really a promo, you still had to cough up the $100,- but Microsoft promised that they would pay you back. Yeah right; that was a very weird deal for people who couldn't pay using their local currency (read: getting extra transaction and exchange costs not once, but two times).

So now, maybe a year or so later, they finally learned. If you check how you can register for Windows phone development you'll see that not only does Microsoft provide a discount, this time it actually is one.

I tried it out and now the annual fee is only E 15,- for me. I can even pay directly in Euro's, how's that?

There is of course a problem.. I've long given up on trying to hack away on the Windows phone, already removed the whole SDK from my computer (even though it really looks impressive) because I really couldn't see the use for it.

But even if I could be swayed there's the issue of me still using Windows Phone 7, and that market is limited due to the current Windows Phone 8. Which only adds up to my approach of "what's the use?".

Quite frankly I'd rather save up those E 15,- and use 'm to pick up my copy of GTA V instead.

Another classic example of too little, too late. Because if I would have been able to dive in for E 15,- when my attention was more "WP7 minded" (last year) then it would have been a no-brainer for me.

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Child porn hidden in legit hacked websites: 100s redirected to sick images

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Just too bad

That some governments seem more concerned for hiding this stuff than actually fighting it.

But this development is a no brainer; a lot of companies who got their website hacked care only for 1 thing: to have it back up working as soon as possible. Even if this involves risks. So the best thing a hacker can do is simply nothing. And then he'll have a whole box to himself.

In bizarre cases ICT could even be told not to fix any problems because of the risk that the site might become unavailable.

THAT is modern computing for you. Yeah, let's focus on filtering out the results then all is well with the Internet again.

I'd say confiscate the machine and at least hold the person(s) responsible for the web contents accountable too.

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Terror cops swoop on couple who Googled 'backpacks' and 'pressure cooker'

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So don't shop while at work?

Although I completely agree that this is a pretty good example of what can happen, even if you have "nothing to hide", it also shows another issue: be careful with the private stuff you do at work.

Even at my last job, where the boss was even OK with me hanging around on IRC on Friday, I never ever went online shopping while at work. At the very most visiting a news website or something, but that's about it.

Personally I think that's the main problem at hand here; don't treat your working environment as your personal living environment. It's not. You don't go shopping during lunch break, so why would you go do that stuff online?

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Gmail, Outlook.com and e-voting 'pwned' on stage in crypto-dodge hack

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One small flaw...

Man in the middle

It's hardly a surprise that as soon as you get near-physical contact to a victims device then you'll get a lot of options to perform malicious attacks. One of the reasons why you should be careful with using your tablet or phone out in the open while you have no clue what (or if) wifi networks are being used.

Of course the majority doesn't care at all, as long as they can read their e-mails, tweets and do some online banking.

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Google Glassholes can't take long walks off short piers thanks to Merc app

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@wowfood

"In fact, I'm patenting that right now. Nobody can use their voice to inform emergency services that they were in a car crash, injured or give out their location without paying me royalties."

Good for you!

Fortunately for me my company has a patent on the process of "announcing to patent an automated emergency response system in public". We did that to help prevent confusion amongst people interested in using such a device, not for the money of course.

SO I guess we'll now have to sent you a bill :-)

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WikiLeaks: Manning guilty verdict sets 'dangerous precedent'

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And the others?

It would also be interesting to know what will happen to the people who, according to the leaked documents, performed illegal and unethical acts while in the service of the US military.

I get the feeling that we won't hear much of that though.

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Lingering fingerprint fingering fingered in iOS 7 for NEW iPHONE

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Another example where Microsoft missed the boat..

Before my current Windows Phone 7.5 I used to have a PDA / cellphone alike device called the Toshiba Portege G900. Guess what? It came equiped with a fingerprint scanner as well, and it worked quite well too.

Unfortunately, like so many other things, support for this scanner was near to nill. You most certainly couldn't unlock your phone with a swipe or make a successful swipe perform other feats. No, it was a present feature but never used fully. So basically you could unlock your phone with both your pin code and swiping your fingers. Which only made it much harder, so why bother?

So if this takes off then forgive me for laughing at yet another display of Microsoft having a pretty solid feature yet totally unaware what to do with it or build it to its maximum potential.

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Microsoft adds Visual-Studio-like text editor to SkyDrive

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With or without..

Colours?

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Microsoft to Google: Please remove us from internet

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Too early for conclusions...

Because it's not Microsoft which sent the eventual request; it was that LeadID organisation.

So for all we know $someone could also have tricked LeadID into relaying a bogus request; which would tell us more about this organisation than Microsoft.

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Microsoft introduces warning on child abuse image searches

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@Alister

Don't worry; it's only a matter of time. Then our "organisation for more security" (with many thanks to all the law abiding spam firms which donated heavily to our cause) will start our next campaign: force browsers to remove all those distracting pop-up blockers.

As you showed yourself they're only hindering decent websites from warning their visitors.

Sure I'm jesting; but how long before morons pick up on this as well?

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Kids LIE about age on Facebook, gasps Brit ad watchdog

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@murph

"THEY ARE NOT STOPPING YOU FROM LOOKING AT PORN."

Yet.

Once the infrastructure is in place, which is the first hurdle to take, then it will become a lot easier to add extra contents to the filter without anyone knowing. Or worse: redirects.

You know; how people in Europe get Google results on how to book a vacation whenever they're searching for something Eastern, and the people in the US getting results on Islamitic extremists and the likes. It's not full censorship but also not that kosher either.

Isn't it a bit awkward that there seems to be no transparency as to which sites get blocked? As far as I know you can't request a list of currently blocked contents.

So exactly what's stopping them from expanding without anyone realizing it?

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Microsoft haters: You gotta lop off a lot of legs to slay Ballmer's monster

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@Steve

"Don't forget all those MCSE's out there who think that AD is god's gift to Admins."

But how long is that going to last now that they can soon no longer play with those toys themselves (hinting at Microsoft dropping TechNet support)?

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Missing the bigger picture?

"The truth is that Microsoft can't keep us all happy."

Normally I'd believe that.

However, I think the author is missing or ignoring the bigger picture here. Because one can only acknowledge that it has become "awkward" to say the least that the feeling of dislike is happening all over the place as of late. And if you look at the hard numbers and the way Microsoft has been acting I think there's no denying the issue at hand. This isn't about a few people disliking Microsoft any more.

Lets go non-tech: Gamers. A lot of XBox fans have been in high expectation of the XBox one, and hardly anyone liked it. The dislike spread so deep and wide that Microsoft eventually reversed some of their plans. I highly doubt that they'd go that far if we were talking about "some dislikes" here. But most gamers aren't stupid; they know that unwanted changes can occur after purchase as well, that has now become a big liability for the future of the XBox.

And speaking of Windows 8: surely the extremely disappointing sale numbers say something here?

Sure; let's go modern as well. Cloud you say? When talking "developers, developers" then Microsoft is putting a lot of effort in pushing Visual Studio 2012 forwards. The only problem is that most die-hard Microsoft developers would rather stay on 2010. And instead of acknowledging the whole problem (which, in all fairness, Microsoft has partly done) they're now getting ready for the next Visual Studio version.

Systems engineers? Microsoft whacked TechNet and you can already see some of the impact because of it.

Microsoft has shown a very weird tendency as of late to piss off a lot of their customers, developers and even their fanbase alike. Sure you won't see the effect of those actions the very next day, if you think that Microsoft would be out of business in a few months if those actions were really bad then you're a fool. Changes like that don't go that fast.

But that also doesn't mean that the problem isn't there either.

Surely it's not that hard to realize that if you're losing a monopoly position then the last thing you should do is piss off all the people who actually liked your products?

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Google Chromecast: Here's why it's the most important smart TV tech ever

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I'll stick with my Ryan mediaplayer

"Thus, the UI you use to find and display content on your TV is the exact same UI you use to find and display that content on your Android or iOS device or in your browser. The only difference is that when you press the Cast button, the content comes up on your TV."

That sounds awfully troublesome to me. Because in my place the TV sits in the livingroom, neatly before the couch and all, whereas my computer sits in my 'study' (basically a room separated from the living room).

And well, if I want to watch stuff on my TV which resides on my computer the last thing I'd want is having to walk over to the computer, start the contents (automatically missing the first part) then walking back and so on.

Quite frankly I don't really get the advantage here. When I download something to my computer and I want to watch it on the TV I simply put it into a folder which is shared with the network. My Ryan can access my Windows PC, and then play the contents. Better yet: I'm in full control, using the remote I can stop, pause, fast forward; do anything you'd normally want to do. Without even having to get up from the couch.

Use your computer to collect media, then use a mediaplayer to, well, play it.

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Work with Microsoft's stuff for a living? Its reorg will mean NOTHING to you

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You're right, but for the wrong reasons

My (small!) company is heavily relying on Microsoft products. I'm using a Windows 7 Professional desktop together with MS Office 2010 Professional, and we have 2 in-house Windows 2003 servers. Some other people involved are more that often relying on Windows XP.

Next to that we also host some websites on a Windows 2008R2 server, and own a Visual Studio Professional license which, at the time of writing, is mainly used for rather extensive ASP.NET development.

Why I think the reorganisation won't mean anything to me? Because the damage has already been done, big time.

Because in my opinion it can't -by far- outdo the impact of Microsoft's decision to quit with the TechNet subscriptions model. THAT is something which really will leave an impact, not only by Microsoft resellers and consultants such as my company, but all over the place. From the single Microsoft systems engineer who is fascinated with this stuff and decides to work on his own expertise by experimenting at home with a testlab, right down to Enterprise departments where an extra server license is out of the question (this will go out of the departments budget); even if it is partly required for testing purposes. That's where TechNet more than often came in.

And Microsoft threw all of that away.

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Rejoice! Sysadmin day is... TODAY. Now get in here and win free stuff

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Carefull though..

In many regions this day is hardly known and sometimes its considered 'cool' to know about it and to make a good impression as an employer.

I do think its important to be very careful in regions where it is better known. Take the article here; "you can enter a competition", however: "you only need to register here..". And that should really lead up to the question: "So what are you going to do with my data?".

In this case marketing, obviously, but it seems to be to a minor degree: "By clicking this button you submit your information to the webinar organizer, who will use it to communicate with you regarding this event and their other services". Obviously this isn't for me, I don't need more spam, thanks.

So keep that in mind as well. Organisations who may appear to acknowledge "sysadmin day" might not simply do so because they feel good about us sysadmins but because they hope to collect a lot of personal information which can then be used for plain old marketing purposes.

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Hooker in Dudley man's car 'just helping to buy tomatoes'

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@skelband

"Really, there are a lot more important things to worry about in the world than people paying each other for sex."

I think its more devious than that: they pay each other for sex without paying any tax to the government.

Now you're suddenly in a whole heap of trouble because when the government realizes they're missing out on some tax income the gloves go off.

It's required. Because how else will those politicians pay for their own escort services?

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Microsoft pledges Linux boost for Windows Server and Center R2 duo

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@Sisk

Nah, this is Microsoft we're talking about. They follow an Enterprise business plan which is much more sophisticated and therefor much better than yours:

1) Provide Linux support for Hyper-V

2) ???

3) Profit!

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IT Crowd thesp eyes giant hot-air-filled FLYING SCROTUM

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Careful there...

You might want to take extra care not to take this protest into the US. Because if you do chances are high you'll get arrested and thrown in jail for indecent behaviour; and if you happen to have the misfortune that there were also some minors looking an optional: "endangering the welfare of a child", which can easily end you up in jail for a few years.

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How Novell peaked, then threw it all away in a year

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@Magister

4 wasn't bad at all, though I never understood why they needed to force the X environment in there. With some servers X could cause quite some hassle to get it going, which basically resulted in being unable to configure or change your NDS tree.

I'd rather would have seen a DOS based 'NSD Editor', like the many DOS based client and administration programs. I've always liked their colour scheme.

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SAP CEOs are like Highlanders - there can be only one

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Only one?

There can be five!

As far as I know there have been 5 Highlander movies ;)

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100-metre asteroid 2013 NE19 zipped past Earth today

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More distant or... ?

"The rock's passing 11 Lunar Distances from Earth, which is to say it'll be 11 times more distant from Earth than the moon."

So basically it doesn't even come within the moons orbit around us. Yet we've also had meteorites which actually came within this virtual boundary, so how does that make this particular object "unsettlingly close"?

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Troll loses 'we own the Web' patent appeal

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@Captain

"Uhm, wait a minute.. Trolls *are* edible, right?"

You might want to throw a 1d12 to make sure ;-)

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WAR ON PORN: UK flicks switch on 'I am a pervert' web filters

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@AC

Horribly wrong and extremely naive example.

This filter doesn't take down anything, the only thing it does is hide the ugly truth from you. And guess what: there is a lot of garbage out there.

But instead of actually providing any resources to fight these disgusting (self-censored) pieces of (self-censored) (self-censored) who would easily abuse and exploit children the English government now seems to put more effort in hiding the offense rather than fighting it.

Obviously there is also the harsh reality about censorship. This move is wrong in so many ways..

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NSA chief leaks info on data sharing tech: It's SharePoint

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With all due respect..

"The NSA has admitted that the organization's use of Microsoft SharePoint allowed an unnamed sysadmin to leak information."

Bullshit.

It's not the use of SharePoint which allowed this sysadmin access; it's the idiot administrator who gave him access in the first place.

What is this anyway; an attack on Microsoft to try and restore their reputation a bit? ("You see; even the NSA doesn't like Microsoft. Surely the NSA would like Microsoft if they had just rolled over?").

Obviously the black helicopter.

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PORNAGEDDON: Sexy bloggrs stung by Tumblr smut smackdown

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@Robert

Now you're just being mean. Guns are the ultimate expression of a fundamental *human* right called self defence. The right to bear arms and defend your home and family.

Surely you realize that nudity is something completely different. It just isn't normal, even though the whole of humanity seems to be strangely attracted to it at times.

For $deity's sake, think about the children will ya? ;-)

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Five bods wrongly cuffed thanks to bungled comms snooping in UK

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I had nothing to hide!

...but still ended up in jail.

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Beijing fanboi in coma after iPhone 4 shock treatment

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Re: Electrocuted?

"Obviously, the Chinese are made of stern stuff. To be able to say "I'm being electrocuted" while being electrocuted is no mean feat."

You're overlooking something important: the major differences in the language.

Chinese and Japanese are what I like to call very "direct" languages, the meaning of a sentence depends a lot on context and doesn't use verbs like we do.

In this case it's more likely he said something in the likes of: "I electrocuted" where the latter would be shortened too.

According to electronic translations he would have said: "Wǒ chùdiàn". And I somewhat imagine that he'd shortened it to "wo chu!".

Which is a lot shorter than "I'm being electrocuted".

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Websites stagger to feet, Network Solutions wears off DDoS hangover

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@Alister

"Unlike compromised home PCs, there really is no excuse for compromised web servers."

Agreed, but there should be even less excuses not to act against such servers, which is in my opinion the main problem.

If you noticed Internet abuse and then notified the involved parties then it remains to be seen if anything is done against it. More than often people let it slide because apparently they either can't be bothered to fix it or they don't want to upset their customers.

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Dear Linus, STOP SHOUTING and play nice - says Linux kernel dev

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@AC

"Are you now suggesting Linus Torvalds should be scared and kneel in front of his lieutenants just because they might fork the kernel ?"

No, but there's a big difference between saying someone wrote horrible code and someone is a horrible person. Because this can only spiral out of control and go out with a bang, unless someone comes to his senses.

Let's assume Linus is right and that no one listens to him if he says (quote:) "please don't do that". Has no one ever stopped to wonder why that may be so?

If you start raising your voice to get your point across you will reach a point where people eventually ignore that shit ("there he goes again"). So you'll have to come up with other ways to get your point across in a way where people know you really meant it.

Let's start swearing..

Yet now you only started a new cycle. Eventually you reach a point where people get fed up again and will ignore it ("here we go again").

Let's start swearing.. in Finnish!

So where does all of this end? Don't forget that most people who tolerate that shit don't necessarily do so because they agree, but because they can't back out. There is only one Linux kernel. But take that prestige or the need away and I think things will come crumbling down, and fast too.

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@wowfood

I think you've been watching Ramsey's shows a bit too often.

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Could the WWE get involved? ;-)

From Sarah's e-mail:

"Let's discuss this at Kernel Summit where we can at least yell at each

other in person."

Or better yet: hire a wrestling arena where lots of people can watch, make sure you provide a live stream of the event, and try if you can sell some of the rights to the WWE.

I'm sure it would catch on :-)

Then we might eventually get to see the main event too: In the right corner, Torvalds armed with a living penguin. And in the left corner Ballmer, armed with his trusty office chair.

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@NinjasFTW

"Do you really think that someone that created the kernel that is used in millions of machines around the world (data centers etc) is ever going to be out of work for long?"

I don't know, but it could very well be. Because what kind of a job?

I don't think that with his attitude you'd easily make it into management. Because as I mentioned in my post; take the power basis away and I think it remains to be seen how much people would put up with the verbal outbursts.

And that leaves me wondering if Linus would actually ever accept a job as a regular programmer any longer?

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@Lurker

"But on the other hand, his occasional habit of letting loose when people who should know better make stupid mistakes has probably saved us (as in the many people in the world who depend on linux one way or another) from a lot of grief and annoyance."

I think that had more to do with not accepting the commit(s) than his ranting and swearing.

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(ab)using a position of power

I think that's what Linus is doing and it seems he doesn't even realize it.

The problem here is that in general Linus is completely right about everything he says, at least I think so. You should be able to tell people what you think about them and their work. But the thing is; there is a huge difference if you speak amongst equals or people over who you have some power.

Many people put up with the way Linus treats them not because they want to, but because they have to. And it creates a very dangerous situation, because you can forget about any loyalty or such from them.

That may suit Linus just fine, but if the Linux hype blows over then I think he may be in for rough times ahead. Let's say Google manages to push Chrome OS forward even more, and actually treats its developers with some respect. Sure, you can call someone's work rubbish. That's hardly the same as calling him an idiot.

How long before developers would move on?

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@Peter

"If you want to motivate someone, someone who you have no real control over as FOSS developers can stop FOSS-ing and just walk away, you need to adopt an air of professionalism, gain respect and lead by example."

Agreed. However there is another option: "You need to lead a project known and used world-wide, favoured by by millions of people. Then it automatically becomes a prestige for some to actually work on that project. After which you can more than often treat them like shit, because they'll still revel in their prestige".

That is what's happening here in my opinion.

But it's still a dangerous situation, because if people reach a point where the shine wears off and the abuse doesn't things can go down hill very fast. Often it only takes one person to stand up to it and gain some followers.

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@James

"And, tbh, he's right about 'On the internet, nobody can hear you do subtle'"

I strongly disagree. The people who matter and value the things you say will hear you loud and clear, even if you do things subtle. I'm getting the feeling that it's not so much the people who matter who should hear him, it's the rest of the world too.

Lets face it: would some of the kernel mailinglist posts have made it to El Reg if it wasn't for the shouting and swearing? For example when he told RedHat off about code signing? Sure, in my opinion he was right on that call, but you can bring a message across without making it look as if you feel better than everyone else.

And there's something else to consider: what would happen if someone forks the Linux kernel, starts a new Linux-like project and actually treats people as they want to be treated? I know no one has done this (there'd be holy wars) but for the sake of argument lets say it happens.

How long before Linus' "lieutenants" bail out? On the other end of the mountain they may still end up in discussions and people disagreeing with them, but they could count on the respect they deserve.

I think this is a liable risk presenting itself right now. People representing RedHat will remain on board no matter what, there's money involved. But hobbyists may reach a point where they no longer think its cool anymore. And then a ship can sink really fast.

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