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IMO 2 are to blame, but....
First Google is obviously at fault here for violating standards. As many others already said; the times of "do no evil" are long behind us; now all that's left is hollow marketing talk.
However; IMO one has to wonder as well why MS allowed this to happen in the first place? If you require a code and the code turns out to be invalid doesn't it sound a bit peculiar to accept it anyway? Worse; provide "admin like" access on top of that ?
Still; the main blame sits with Google here IMO. Think about it this way: Would you have believed Microsoft if they claimed that you could no longer access Google's website with MSIE due to a code violation at the hands of Google themselves?
More importantly: could that have triggered a move from MSIE to Chrome because "At least Chrome allows me to access Google's websites without hassle" ?
Finally, about time. As people mentioned, its most likely going to be a locked-in feature, but still a useful one IMO.
Its the one thing I never could understand with Firefox and derivatives.. they already had a password vault, why could we never export said data and why hasn't anyone come up with the idea of adding some kind of pwgen program ?
Since the browser is open the whole time the plugin would have plenty of time to build its random pool, thus being able to come up with decent passwords. The ability to both generate and store these could have been a very helpful combination.
There is probably some truth here...
Yet its most likely not SatNav which is to blame, but the operators of said ambulance.
Note; I'm not saying they are to blame, only that its possible. Here in Holland we've had a few of these issues as well. Yet that turned out to be a combination; some ambulances weren't using the most up to date maps, as such some streets and locations couldn't be easily dealt with. In those cases I'd say the ambulances (at least the people maintaining them) are to blame.
However, if that's the case here as well is something I obviously don't know.
Clunky perhaps, but usable
SkyDrive might be a little hard to use when all you have is the browser. But as someone above also mentioned; you can easily install Windows Live Mesh and have that synchronize a directory on your computer onto SkyDrive. That makes its use a lot more pleasant.
Another thing to keep in mind is that some MS software already provides native support for SkyDrive. Office 2010 for example can also save file directly onto SkyDrive. The Windows phone has also been setup with SkyDrive in mind. So IMO its only logical that eventually some sort of desktop client should show up.
These aren't archilles heels, these were plain out mistakes. And some dumb ones too IMO.
An archilles heel is something you have to cope with because in the end there's nothing you can do about it, apart from applying extra protection of some sort. But nonetheless the weak spot remains, and it can totally break you.
A mistake otoh should be both avoidable and fixable. With regards to the Google wallet; IMO it is a major design flaw to tie a virtual wallet to a phone instead of the account being used. How hard is it to imagine that phones might get lost someday?
As to Apple... Same applies; if any its a rather poorly chosen revenue expectation. But hardly something which can make or break the entire company and it seems to me as if Apple immediately fixed their mistake, at least tried to.
(too?) High quality hardware...
Approx. 3.5 years ago I moved from the rural city of Amersfoort to the wonderful town of Wageningen. It was then and there that I decided that I wanted to get a games console. Funny enough my main motivation was to use it as a media / Bluray player with 'enhanced' capabilities (playing games). I got lucky and could get myself a "media kit deal" which consisted of a bundle with PS3 & PSEye and to pick up the PSP with a big discount in the same purchase.
Up until now I still consider this purchase to be the best electronic device I've got so far.
It. just. works. ! Eventually I got more games, so 80Gb wasn't enough anymore. Guess what? /Without/ revoking warranty you can easily replace the HD (I now have 500Gb). Sony eventually introduced 'Move'. Since I already had the PSEye all I needed were the controllers. New technology on an "old" machine (by then the PS3 Slim had also been released). And it kept on working without me requiring to purchase upgrades or whatever. That feat is IMO impressive.
Of course the downside to all of this should be obvious... Vita is out yet I see no reason to replace my older PSP. Instead I got myself some larger memory sticks so that I could easily store purchases from the store. Large downloads aren't a problem either; I simply buy on the PS3, then transfer onto the PSP.
SO quite frankly; perhaps they sold too high quality hardware?
Apart from the obvious question which has been asked above already I wonder... If we click those "Buy from Amazon" links, does that give El Reg a nice commision? ;-)
This looks more like an ad. than anything else. Since we're on an odd level anyway I have to ask: why didn't you guys lend this to some female co-workers and had them write a review? :-)
Back to basics?
Or totally out of inspiration? Perhaps they fired the only guy who was capable to come up with new logo design every time ?
I know I've become quite the critic when it comes to Windows 8 but here I simply see yet another fail. Ever since 3.1 the logo has always been RGB-Y, its very distinguishable and plain out recognizable. Even computer illiterates will pick the logo up as being Windows.
And now that everyone knows that this specific logo represents Windows you're going to change it into something which is so plain that its not even remotely fun to look at ?
otoh; maybe its a change for the best after all. Should Win8 indeed turn out into a disappointment (which I personally think is going to happen) then maybe some people won't associate it with Microsoft Windows due to the changed logo ;-)
No victory.. Begun, the acta wars have...
Now.. I'll admit up front; I'm an ex Sun fan & customer (thus biased). But having said that....
While what you say is true wrt free software there's more to it IMO. Because there is one thing Sun didn't have going right and that was marketing. Some of their software products were plain out amazing! (IMO of course). I actively used Sun Java webserver; it could compete with Apache, it had a pretty cool web interface for configuration while /also/ fully supporting CLI. Best of both worlds. And obviously; a Java engine.
Sun Java System Web proxy server ? I could even make it pre-cache websites (in the morning) of which it had noticed that they were heavily visited. Even Squid never had this feature! And believe me; due to the dynamic (flexible) nature of the setup it managed to catch a lot of data while still making sure it would remain up to date.
"Free software". Sure.. You're right. But you're ignoring the fact that even despite these (IMO) extensive features most people didn't know this stuff even existed. Sun wasn't very good at marketing (IMO) so what's the next alternative ?
In the end your best bet is to appeal to home / hobby users and try to get those to learn about your stuff. And the best way to do that is presenting freebies. Sometimes the opinion or preference of a home / hobby user can go in deep and different ways. And lets be fair; its not as if this marketing scheme is something only modern companies have come up with...
WordPerfect, back in the "good ole 5.1 days". Where you had to cough an amount of money for a single wordprocessor which would now easily buy you MS Office Professional Plus (which isn't cheap!). Guess what? Employee's of a company which was using WordPerfect were allowed to copy the software and use it at home. No matter if it was for work, private or fun. If your boss had WP you could copy & use it without violating licenses.
Its not as if Sun went crazy here...
"Oh yeah sure then when the preview of the next OS rolls around and apple say "you know what our anonymous statistics showed only 1% of users unticked the box, so we removed it and made the OS even more like iOS""
"...so we removed it and made the OS even more /secure/".
There, couldn't help fix this for you ;-)
Apart from the questions raised above I also wonder if it would be possible that neither Google nor Microsoft realizes the impact of made decisions. Google overlooking Windows 8 and Microsoft overlooking both Android 5 and this particular dual-existence feature.
Could be fun, because if this scenario holds truth then I think its safe to assume that the moment either company realizes all this they'll be running to their lawyers. There's got to be a patent violation or two to be found in there.... Katschjing!
Articles like these...
Make me really happy not to live and work in the States.
Once these companies are done destroying the competition then what's next? Could it be possible that... "Wow, that small consultancy firm provides restoration solutions for its customers. I bet the bastard is restoring that data onto new hardware, probably stuff he sold himself. We'll sue!".
money, money, money, money....
I bet that if MS would move some towards Cisco then everything will be water under the bridge, eh?
Amazing how people hold the Digium issue against MS suddenly. Yes; I cannot understand why you don't want a 3rd party to sell your intellectual property to its own customers while it got access to the source for /free/ in the first place. Especially put within the context that you (the current owner) are /also/ trying to make an income out of it.
Sure; whatever Digium gave away for free could be missed. Key issue here is that their main interest wasn't with that but with the selling stuff.
Realize that in the end businesses thrive on revenue and sales. NOT by good impressions alone.
Further more; I think its absurd to start wondering if MS is going to "kill" Skype. People asked the same question when MS took over Hotmail and look at it today; still available for free, still without demans to sign away your freedom ("we can use the e-mails global contents for ...") and still free of charge without getting invaded with a shitload of ads.
Break the cycle!
The problem as I see it is that MS doesn't keep up with the market as they should. Times have changed. Not only do we have Linux, we now also have entirely other systems (tablets for example) which make it easier for people to ditch Windows and "move on".
Another problem; when MS finally realizes that they missed an opportunity this aspect becomes key, no matter what. The ends don't justify the means!
But most of all MS needs to break the cycle of "bad - good - bad - good". Desperately (!!) IMO. Its still on today. Windows Phone: It has potential. If you use your phone as a tool and not as a means you don't care that "you can browse Internet by going into "programs -> Swipe to 2nd page -> Start "Browser" and then hit "OK"". What you want is to pick up the phone, click "Internet" (or any other easily recognizable option) and you're online.
That is what MS managed to deliver IMO. Only problem; they left too much out so that the first 'winphone experience' was plain out bad. Your own ringtones? Not possible. Using your phone for several programs at once; not possible. Sure; Mango came along, but its the first impression which counts the most!!
Here in Holland we've had 2 "official" introductions of the Windows Phone. First "Sorry, no Dutch yet" and second: "Dutch! but sorry; not special Bing features yet".
After a 'failed' first release a majority of people will no longer care. That is lost revenue. Sure; you may win them back eventually, but at what marketing costs ?
MS needs to get their act together IMO. And although I'll honestly admit that I grew a liking towards certain MS products (Win7 / Office 2010) I'm convinced that in the end we will all profit here, even if you don't like MS. We already lost Sun as a competitor; the less competitors we have left, the more easy it becomes for "others" to dictate the market.
At the time of writing I'll take Microsoft over Oracle any day of the week.
Re: Very good, now do it properly
10 print $replyTitle
20 goto 10
Private sub problemReport()
result = MsgBox("We're sorry, something went wrong with the website!", vbOKOnly, "Problem on website detected")
How about this one, it has everything. A buggy title report as well as a friendly warning to the unwary user.
Of course it doesn't fully work, but that's for the next programmer to worry about ;-P
Did you even expect people to comment?
First thing which surprised me was that all the comments were fully across the screen. Then I noticed that the ads and everything else is gone from the right side of the screen.
Is it possible that El Reg considered this news so important that they figured no one would read it ?
Well, 2 pages worth of replies with lost advertisement revenue will show 'm!
Finally some good progress
Now, even though I 'ditched' when OpenOffice went kablam I still like to keep an eye open for OSS developments and quite frankly I think this is a very good step in the right direction!
IMO the main problem with OpenOffice vs. MS Office (2010) has always been lack of progress on the part of OO. If you look at MS Office 2003 and compare that to the 2010 version its quite a difference (and I'm not referring to the GUI). If you do the same with OO you'll also pick up several differences, sure, but hardly as extensive.
I'm curious to see if (when?) LibreOffice will get "import pasting" on their Sheet application. Its one of those options which are hard to spot, but once you do its hard to miss out on.. Basically it allows you to import data from the clipboard and set it up. So say you have some CSV data in the clipboard you can add these into the sheet and have all values immediately separated.
A very handy option if you deal with some data which you picked up on a website or out of PuTTY.
Very narrow minded article IMO
The author has several good points. But whats with this cloud fascination? Customers who are currently using the cloud couldn't care less. Whether their stuff sits in the cloud or on a single server; as long as it works they're happy. That has absolutely /nothing/ to do with cloud nor open source. The cloud became popular because it was cheaper to use than regular hosting solutions.
You can't use "cloud" as a general entity anymore. I have a dozen virtual servers thus I'm using "the cloud" they say. A friend of mine got website hosting, thus he has webspace with a database to use. Guess what; he's also using "the cloud", or so they say.
How come that I have to perform maintenance and he doesn't? Didn't we both use "the cloud', or so you (dear author) tried to make us believe ?
"Open source has largely been a boon to developers, to vendors."
Nonsense. With this sentence you totally ignore the effects which open source and OSS in general have had on the market.
Back in the day, as an end user, I had to pay (from mind) approx. E 500,- to E 600,- to get my hands on a legit version of Microsoft Office. Keep in mind: that was it; full Office, no more, no less!
Nowadays? I can pick up a full Office for approx. E 120,- now, if I want a little more (say Outlook) I pay no more than approx. E 300,-. And that's not all; if I agree with MS' policy and get myself a Windows Live ID then I'll even get 25Gb online storage, Office webapps and means for (small) collaborating services in the same deal!
Do you /really/ think this would have been possible when solutions such as Star Office, Open Office and Libre Office ("open source software") weren't around? And that's just one example!
What have you been smoking lately? ;-)
Amazing how times can change...
I don't quite care for this topic but....
Seeing Fonda aka Barbarella in the excessive machine again after so many years I can't help wonder how things have slid down a bit and how much used we've become to so many things we never talked about in public 'back in the days'.
For better or worse is something I really don't know nor really care about. IMO its for the better; having these topics more easily discussed will only help parents to better inform their children.
Still, its amazing. I still recall seeing Barbarella the first time and the impact it left. But now its hardly as "excessive" (lame pun ;-)) as it was back then.
Web markets don't imply "freedom"
It implies "money and revenue" instead, and we all know that companies will do anything they have to in order to protect that revenue so they can secure their income.
Quite frankly I think the customers and home-developers will be far worse off should all major companies decide to work together and come up with one single marketplace "to rule them all". Because the moment the competition is out of the way (either by destruction or co-existence) then there's little reason left for the players to try and make sure they remain as appealing as possible.
After all; one way or the other you would then need to utilize 'the Marketplace' if you want to develop for one of the products, so your money will eventually find its way into their "marketplace pact" no matter what!
First its the marketplace, then its trying to lock down certain features by moving them out of the freely available services and into "subscription based services".
Don't forget; in the end companies don't care about freedom and all that stuff,in the end the survival of said company comes before everything else. Which means that they need to secure a steady income.
And as long as there is some competition around its only good for us.
To give an example, ask yourself this: Would a company like Microsoft (which is known for its heavy pricetag on certain software components) ever have considered to make some of their key products available for free (IIS and SQL -Express servers for example) when it wasn't for the competition in the likes of Linux and companies such as MySQL and PostgreSQL which are doing the same ?
Its not 'easily setup' which counts...
Durability and maintenance are the major issues here.
Simply put; If you're a business and you put man hours into setting up such an environment then that counts as an investment. After which you want continuity; in other words being able to continue using the product without any drastic changes (drastic changes imply the need for changes which means spending hours thus money again).
Another important aspect is of course maintenance. When we're talking about workstations which also have an Internet connection then they'd better be secured. Because in the overall a security breach on Linux isn't as easy to detect by the average user.
But unfortunately there are major caveats to keep in mind. While Ubuntu does a very good job with their LTS releases which last 3 years worth of support, it becomes just too tedious the very moment when you need to upgrade such an LTS version to the next LTS. Often you're better of either upgrading to each individual in between release,or simply re-install the critter from scratch entirely.
And quite frankly it looks to me as if Shuttleworth is merely picking up on Ubuntu, relying on their release cycle and simply added something to the main package. While it might interest some businesses I have very serious doubts if its going to last.
Agreed. Unfortunately this aspect goes double for Microsoft; it wouldn't be the first time where they started with a product which was plain out bad only to eventually manage and turn it into something useful again.
You have to give 'm credit for that achievement IMO, its just too bad that many people already lost interest completely due to the often poor start.
MS should get with the program
Back in the 90's the hype was Internet. MS /finally/ realized that they let the boat leave without even bothering to attempt to board it so now they had to build their own boat (and obviously try to sink or damage the main boat hoping that people would hop over).
Same story, different product and different timeline.
To me it seems as if they're now desperately trying to apply "touch" on everything possible, without even bothering to wonder if 'touch' would actually be an enhancement.
An ending should be an /ending/
Well, IMO of course but I don't agree with some of the entries in that list. For example; the ending of inFAMOUS was IMO much more rewarding than Fallout was, even though I think Fallout scores higher when it comes to enjoyment of gameplay (higher replay value IMO). Yet inFAMOUS managed to build up and delivered whereas Fallout left me with "that's it? that's all?!". And my criticism against the ending got even deeper fueled with the DLC's which suddenly extended upon the storyline.
Which is another gripe I have; an ending should be that; an /ending/. I don't like to finish games only to be left with "Ok, the game ended but the story didn't. Guess I'll have to get myself the sequel". Its perfectly alright to extend on a game, sure, just make sure you end the chapter in a normal fashion and use some more fantasy and design skills to come up with a good continence of the story.
Just leave those way too obvious cliffhangers at home please; we paid enough for the game to expect a decent storyline (if applicable).
"At least someone is enthusiastic about RIM products these days."
Just wait for the upcoming lawsuit I guess, I can see it now; "endangering people by producing mobile gear which too closely resembles food for underwater predators without warning its users for the threat of attack by 'cute' animals"
Will it be open or closed for desktops?
The more I (sporadically) read about Windows 8 the more I wonder... Its already known that MS wants to centralize things; so "one OS to rule them all" where "all" is basically both the desktop, mobile (tablets) and phone market (a phone is mobile too of course, but you get the idea).
Windows Phone is a locked down environment. They provide all the development tools for free to do whatever you want, but the moment you actually want to use your programs you'll have to cough up some cash to subscribe for their development hub.
Yet the more I read about Windows 8 the more do I start to wonder.. Could it be that MS tries to make up for lost revenue by locking down certain aspects of Windows 8 entirely so that developers will only be able to utilize those parts in their app when they get themselves some kind of developers subscription ?
I'm not hinting at 'total' lock down, more like "locked where it matters" (or where they think it will). So; they want to push Metro forward, so everyone who wants to get their apps into Metro would now need to cough up for a developer subscription. And obviously; installation is only possible through usage of the App store which gets monitored / moderated by MS.
This is speculating on my part, but I wonder if this is where some things are headed to.
Quite risky indeed. Because since Metro replaces the start menu, how are regular developers going to get their software into this mixture would this come to pass? Dump icons on the desktop app., just like we did back in the days with Windows 3.11 and NT 4 ?
Progman.exe relived ?
In your example I'd have absolutely no problems with my bank doing that. Just as long as I can get to my money the very moment I need it. And since most of that comes out of an ATM....
When 2 people fight...
...2 people are to blame. Although I'm tempted to side with the daughter. I mean; all she did was criticize her parents. Spoke her opinion. If you feel the need to retaliate by destroying someones property, merely for the things she /said/ then I think something is not right here.
Another thing which I miss out on in this thread.. How did he find out in the first place about the facebook critics of his daughter ?
Is it possible that when doing maintenance on the laptop he also went through his daughters e-mails, internet favorites and the lot? Because I would consider that to be very questionable as well. How convenient that the 'evidence' has been destroyed and its now his word against hers.
Quite frankly; As said in the end I think both are to blame here. She should have spoken out against her parents and settled things right then and there, and he should have known better too because placed within context all she did was spout of about her parents against her friends. Which teenager hasn't done that in his youth? Main difference is facebook.
And finally there's another option we all need to consider; for all we know this is only a marketing scheme to try and get his blogs and articles back in the picture again. It wouldn't be the first time people would use family issues to try and get some more attention (one of the most bizar examples of that (IMO) would be the McMahon family).
I'm both a Windows and Linux admin and quite frankly I disagree. Different people, different pov's and in the end chances are high that we'll all learn something. Not to mention that in many cases Linux out of all things can be extremely helpful with fixing Windows (-related) issues.
Also I somewhat dislike your generalizing a bit; "Linux people" ? This isn't about 'Linux people', its about a bunch of kids who can't help look down on something. Just ignore 'm, that's the best way to keep things clean. Kids will be kids ;-)
I think you are both wrong ;-)
Yes, you have a point that the common "re-install windows" is a bit dumb. However, you've also not used the standard Window techniques to solve these issues. Windows can do more besides re-installing or "fixing problems".
First would be using safe mode or maybe even safe commandline mode, then when this minimum system is booted its time to check up on the event logs. Those will give you a hint as to what has been going on before the failures. Even Windows XP would have something to mention about memory corruption and the likes.
To add a little to your comment.. I have a (Basic) TechNet subscription yet couldn't find this one.
Bing to the rescue ;-) Just like to note that 'DART' is part of the "Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack", and this is indeed supplied through TechNet (dunno about msdn). I'm downloading 2011R2 (release 7/29/2001) as I write.
Thanks for the tip, this looks promising!
Sorry but I really like this thread... SO
I know I turned into a 'Microsoftie' over time (Win7 / Office / Expression web) but I cannot help mention OneNote. This is what I consider invaluable, I can't imagine working without it anymore.
I need to research why a website (build on php4) suddenly goes haywire on php5 (note; I'm an admin, not a php programmer!). So Google it is. And when I find articles which look interesting and where I find snippets I want to save for now they all find their way into OneNote.
Passwords? I don't use a password agent or such; I have a secured section in OneNote.
My programming (C# / VB & Powershell) studies? All bits and pieces and examples which I find online end up in OneNote for further studying.
And that goes easily along with the rest of the stuff. This bit of writing which I was writing when the phone rang? I save it in OneNote and thus can continue it later.
Last but not least... On the road I always keep Linux with me (Knoppix) as well as Hirens Bootcd. Hirens is excellent when it comes to fixing Windows (people locking themselves out, doing disk maintenance, etc.) whereas nothing beats Linux when it comes to network diagnostics. For example; dig vs nslookup? Hardly comparable.
Oh, and IMO Hirens' mini XP environment totally kicks ass. Not merely for the tools which they supply but the whole setup is IMO impressive.
And that's my toolset!
And some people say that El Reg is negative towards Windows by default :-)
You pretty much summed most of it up I think. On my regular desktop (Win 7 Pro) I keep stuff around such as PuTTY / PSCP as well as TightVNC (I like this better due to the better support for Vista / Win7 (realvnc tends to kick you out whenever you need to raise your privileges) as well as its internal file transfer support).
PWGen is IMO also important for us admins (you don't want to try and come up with this crap yourself) because it auto generates, builds up a random pool over time /and/ can create several stages (from easy to read to hard).
WinRAR is my archiver of choice. I've been using this the BBS era (even got an official license for it back then, one of the first shareware packages I paid for). Back then it was all DOS (and even THEN it did an awesome job!) now its GUI. I even got myself a company license for this.
A little more context: what I came to admire and respect about Winrar besides its ease of use and powerful compression are the very extensive recovery records. AFAIK this is close to the perhaps well known PAR/PAR2 technique and it does an outstanding job to keep those documents which you care about safe from possible corruption (think about CDs and such).
Apart from those I think that MS has us covered quite well on Vista/Win7 with tools such as Powershell and MMC. And I also tend to use Office 2010 a lot, but I'm gonna cut this up in 2 posts because I'm being too long again ;-)
To quote Queen...
I want it now.... I want it now... I want it now, and I want it ALL !
They did fix another annoyance....
The one thing I disliked with a passion when looking up something using Google.com (instead of the searchbar in my browser) was the option which would turn my typing into a search string the very moment I typed something. Ugh, I hated that since it was a major distraction. That annoyance seems to be gone now.
Still, too little too late. I began using Bing a little more as of late (whenever I wanted to search something using the website instead of my search bar) and quite frankly I'm not disappointed. It could be between my ears (I cannot rule this out!) but I get the idea that Bing filters out meta-searchers a little more. Maybe you recognize those; you're looking for $topic, you click on a hit in Google which claims "$topic info" only to end up on a search engine which presents you with either a lot of keywords or almost the same kind of links which you were already going through on Google!
"Google will then disable the prepaid card to prevent the phone being used to pay for stuff with a tap on the till."
But how does that help us considering that the link between the Google account and said phone still remains? All this does is making it harder for John Doe to access the account straight away, but if the link between phone & account remains then its simply a matter of time before someone writes up an app to circumvent this blockade.
Quite frankly this is /exactly/ why I don't use "Internet wallets". To me a wallet is a bag of cash; if I somehow lose my wallet I lose my cash, which is tough luck but my big stash (bank account) remains safe. Yet with all these "e-wallets" they force you to link it with your bank or creditcard account. So if something goes awry with this e-wallet then you're in much risk than you should be.
If "e-wallet companies" really cared for security as much as they claim they wouldn't force their users into linking wallet accounts with bank or creditcard accounts but instead would allow bank transfers (note that this comment isn't solely aimed at Google but also stuff such as paypal).
Not "defending" Google BUT...
Still 'recovering' from the (IMO:) educational thread about Windows tools I had some programs still open and wondered how this would look with Bing. As said in the title; not my intention to "defend" Google or anything, but merely showing that they're not the only ones who keep loose knots around.
You're looking at the 'Aerial view' of the same terrain which El Reg (Google) pointed us to. Now go to the 'Aerial' menu and change the view to "Bird's eye". Presto; everything changes.
You're right, its friday (1am at the time of writing, so no freedom yet, but still....). I bet Google got "binged" :-) (lame joke, I know)
Not much to discuss or see here...
I have to admit that MS does one thing right; trying to pay as little attention to the desktop users as possible. Touch, move, display and all those buzzwords. For example; with the introduction of Windows 8 and the several demo's how many days into that presentation event did it take for them to finally mention the fact that the start menu was gone for desktop users ?
So quite frankly I doubt critics like myself (who only have the desktop in mind) will get any wiser here. I've said it many times; would I get myself a tablet then I'd definitely be looking into Windows 8. The demo's look good, Metro makes fully sense within that context and from what I've seen so far the friendliness seems pretty slick.
What does keep me wondering is if they'll extend their functionality in Windows phone 8. Considering how a tablet with Win8 can utilize networking (so I assume) and as such access other Windows computers across a network (wifi?) it will be interesting to see if they finally made that possible with Windows phone as well. At the very least it would bring some functionality back to the level which WM6 had.
I really think that feature could be a winner here.... "Too big to mail you say? Oh, I don't have a memory stick with me right now... Nah, you don't want to put that stuff onto Skydrive, who knows WHAT MS might do with it. I know; put it into your shared docs, I'll grab it with my phone instead...".
No fun intended here but I know I'd be /seriously/ looking into a Windows phone upgrade when that would be possible!
I know we've been trolled, but for the sake of discussion he does have a small point (as trolls always do) that first versions usually leave some issues open. Those will eventually get fixed by an update or worse (service pack).
But apart from that I wholeheartedly agree with you with XP and Windows 7 in mind.
And there's also the issue of people running rather peculiar applications and eventually blaming the OS for its failures. For example, running WinGPG on a localized version (Dutch) of Windows 7 is unfortunately not the best of ideas (if you use Office apps. such as Excel or use Windows' backup). Due to the incompatibility it tries to change locale settings, which can make Windows complaint when it gets a . where it expected a ,.
You actually married a snow woman?
(sorry, couldn't resist!)
Since we're stereotyping I'm gonna chip in too...
To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the US would plant several explosives and eventually blow the entire thing open, beats the time of drilling after all....
Back to reality; I think you're giving the Russians way too little credit than they deserve. "Dictator Putin"? While I agree that their life style doesn't match our ideas of freedom I'm pretty confident than most Russians enjoy more freedom than your average Iraqi in the current "liberated" Iraq.
Very disturbing and illogical move.
The reasoning behind this change makes some sense IMO. If you cannot rely on the CRL distribution points being available then it makes sense to try and solve this problem. We all know that Google has bandwidth to spare here.
However; this also poses the question how these certificates got into Chrome in the first place. Or maybe even raises the question why they haven't been removed as soon as it became apparent that these CA's used unreliable CRL distribution points?
This is a disturbing move from Google because it totally negates the intended effect of these CRL lists in the first place. Namely: giving CA's a 'last resort' to revoke certificates ASAP. As soon as a CA discovers a major hole somewhere then there is no time to wait for a browser manufacturer to push its next update. We need those warnings instantly!
A lot of people are full of talk when it comes to internet security, but when the big bucks start talking it all becomes different again... How surprising indeed!
Instead of working around these problems I think Google would have been better off by enforcing their security policies. If your aim is security and someone involved doesn't meet the required expectations then normally you don't lower your standards; you tell the involved parties to stick with the program instead!
Actually there's more to that story than you're sharing.
Yes, Win7 runs happily on such hardware, question here is "how?". MS always shows Win7 with Aero features enabled, because that's the 'Windows 7 experience' (note that I wholeheartedly agree with that).
However, because that was portrait as such people expected just that on their older PC's. Because "Win7 could run on older hardware". End of the story is that eventually even Microsoft agreed that they may have been a little too optimistic and would change their advertisement accordingly; because Win7 doesn't always run as expected on older hardware (put differently; sometimes there's not enough juice for Aero and such).
Your argument would apply with Windows Vista vs. Windows 7. But when looking at XP its a fact that Win7 is more resource hungry.
"People have been predicting the demise of the desktop PC for years (decades?) and it hasn't came about, at least partially because the platform (while static) is far more customisable (for both OEMs and power users) than a tablet"
That's why we now get Windows 8. If this doesn't kill the desktop and make people scream for touch enabled input then nothing will!
Just too bad that MS hasn't considered the other alternative: people staying on Win7 (maybe even XP) and/or trying to find other alternatives to do their work.
The things look now I'm pretty confident that I won't be upgrading any time soon.
You use either voice control or the new Kinect controller...
Either you yell "shut the f* down" and presto; Win8 will shut itself down. With Kinect support you can even program key gestures. So for example, give it the finger and watch the OS cleanly shut itself down.
No need for confusion and it even relieves you of some stress at the same time!
You'll run classic right until that moment when you hit start again, which is my main complaint.
I mean; even if you are 90% on the desktop, why do they need to take you completely away from said desktop only to end up firing up an application which puts you right back ?
Even if all you want to do is to look and fire an application you're faced with Metro, there is no way around it.
Well, apart from putting your desktop & taskbar full of icons I suppose, but that doesn't really sound appealing to me. I tend to keep those 'space gobblers' to an absolute minimum.
Well, I know your jesting but when MS' Virtual PC will remain embedded as it is now in Win7 then such a scenario wouldn't surprise me at all.
SO; people start Win8, click on the start icon to start a virtual Windows XP (full screen) and then continue to work with that.
Its already being done on a smaller scale; for example people who hate Windows Live mail and who want to keep Outlook Express. Some simply use Win7's "XP mode" to start the OE version within it.
I got a vision!
You hit the nail on the head...
The maya's must have been right after all... This cycle of doom will continue until Windows 2012 which will be the end for all of us!
Nice words but then the big question becomes what you consider to be progress ?
If by progress you mean better looks yet lesser functionality then by all means. Most people here aren't grumpy. In fact, they might care more for Windows than you may realize.
Most people don't use Windows for fun but to get some work done. And if things start to look as if those tasks will get even more tedious on the new version then is it really so hard to imagine that some people will start to complain ?
Quite frankly; us grumpy people have been here before youngster ;-) This is very comparable with Windows 95 / 98. Microsoft missed the boat to the Internet /big time/ just like they've been ignoring touch enabled devices so far.
And just like is happening now they also started to jump into the Internet face first, without any regard what so ever when it came to functionality. Internet and connectivity was key. So they turned the desktop into an "Active desktop" by default. Meaning that it could display webpage snippets ("active contents") and keep that updated.
Of course; the first versions (iirc this was 95, but could be 98 as well) had one side effect; placing program icons on the desktop would no longer work. Yes; that made "grumpy people" call out as well to ask MS WTF they had been smoking.
Result should be obvious; even in Win7 you can still place icons on the desktop.
Microsoft has an history where they focus on features and gizmo's and lose perspective when it comes to friendliness (or plain out usability).
THAT is why some people may seem very annoyed. "Been there, done that, when are they ever going to learn?".
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