42 posts • joined 22 Nov 2010
You may need to dig deeper
You can't treat flash as standard disk.Sure it may be faster but you will burn it out. Nutanix ran into that early on when they were burning through Fusion IO cards because they did all their read/write cache in the SSD space. Since their dedupe isn't in-line for all data, they rely on post process for capacity savings which is a fools errand. If you look even deeper you will realize the performance hit is significant when they do turn dedupe on, then there is the issue of not being able to do dedupe and compression at the same time, or having to turn it on or off for specific workloads. Essentially you are injecting significant amounts of complexity into a platform that was meant to be simple, which is the one key benefit that hyperconvergence is supposed to provide.
Price points will determine the space
Lots of holes in this offering. 10GbE Only, Ent+ licensing only. Smaller ROBO sites wont be needing that much horsepower as well. Not bad for a fledgling effort but expect it to change.
Nearly all of the Tegile sales staff is ex Dell. They most certainly know who they are.
aww how cute VTL's are back
Yawn. Really this is a big deal, for who exactly other than Asigra.
There are no free lunches
You can have it cheap or fast, you can't have both. There will be a breaking point, its up to you to figure out what is acceptable. I'll also throw out, one size doesnt fit all, especially with storage today.
The adage of "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. I'm not saying rush out and pay 12k per TB for JBOD, but if there are features outside of what everyone offers and there is a price premium, to many shops that 12K is acceptable. It takes an incredible amount of R&D effort, time, and capital to bring a product to market. No one is in this business to lose money.
I dont want cheap and easy. I want it to work.
Maybe if Netapp discounts Flexpod by 70%. H
Those are great numbers
For the year 2010 maybe. The new metric is latency, thats where dinosaurs like this will fail. All they did was prove that AFA trumps big iron.
Re: From The Other Side
this is so true on so many levels.
dead platform to stay dead
Seriously, if you are still on EVA then I feel sorry for you.
A "software company" that won't sell its software? How long before people realize its just open source on cheap hardware with a 70% markup?
rebranding isn't coming out of stealth
This is just convergent IO re-branding as COHO Data.
anyone ever seen their kit in the wild?
Show me the money
Never a cost breakdown with these claims of X for the cost of Y. Enough with the VaporWare pricing. Show me the real price breakdown.
Never a cost breakdown with these claims
I'm really getting tired of these stories where they say You can get X for Y dollars and no breakdown is even given. Enough with the VaporWare Pricing. Show me the numbers.
AC as in you work for Dell
and its glaringly obvious.
50,000 install base of vRanger? what are you counting back to the start of the company? how many of those customers dropped it for Veeam, I'd say well over 60%. You want to call Veeam a niche product, then what is Appassure and vRanger?
they bought anobit
don't you remember?
question, has anyone actually bought and paid for any Mt Rainier kit? That might be your answer.
CEO is holding the company back
As brilliant as the CEO may be, he shouldn't be doing tech support, yet he has. Nimbus could have the most brilliant piece of kit around, but without a solid and dedicated staff to support it, no one will buy it. The CEO refuses to relinquish any control to anyone jr to him and its harmed the company. That's his decision, but it resonates with customers who ask around and do their due diligence when researching the company and making a decision to buy.
There is a reason talent leaves and moves to competitor with a inferior product.
you dont get to charge 10k per TB if you do that.
" The company says it is growing strongly and needs to bulk up its organisation to handle the increasing number of these customers."
Don't you mean, no one bought our products when we were named RELDATA, and the management team in place had no idea how to grow the company, so we hired a bunch of second tier C-level people to give us a face lift after no one bought our stuff when we had a different name.
Yeah that sounds about right.
uh you forgot one thing
The lawsuit with symantec. I'm guessing they know they can't prevail with that one. Even more puzzling is to move from one saturated market to another. There is ample competition in the "corporate dropbox" arena, and unless they have some form of differentiation versus the competition in that space they will be facing a new and different uphill road to travel. And lets not forget that Arconis was never a real player in the backup space when it came to the enterprise anyway. 250k customers, I'm betting thats mostly single users who picked up a copy of their imaging software.
If anything EMC buys Arista, which dovetails much better with the SDN noise machine.
CA? I forgot they were even in business. Maybe they could pilfer the former CEO's of RIM while they are at it and really seal their fate. At this point who would even want to buy Netapp? Sure they have a chunk of the storage business, but as a company that continues to fail at innovation, or even improve upon the product lines they have, what would they have to offer a potential suitor other than customer base?
Start doing the math on some of the components listed in the 'vSan" to get that "6X" performance and you will quickly realize that the costs involved start to add up very quickly. Lets also ignore the fact that not every system connecting to storage is virtual. Mellanox loves to lead with extreme claims, but the devil is usually in the details.
Honestly these kind of advertisements masquerading as articles don't lend a lot of credibility to the Reg. Instead of just regurgitating the press release, maybe actually do a little digging and report.
Its the software not the hardware
have you ever used any of Q-Logics software tools? What makes anyone think they are capable of making a software stack to support this new feature set? Fusion-IO isn't a hardware company, its the software that matters and frankly I don't think Q-Logic has the chops to execute. Also, going up against EMC isn't a smart move unless you are priced significantly lower. And damn, those cards are going to run hot and eat a lot of power.
Netapp is the RIM of the storage world.
Netapp is the next RIM
given that at a recent sales presentation by two whiptail reps where neither knew what VAAI was or if their array supported it (mind you this was last week) I'm curious as to what exactly "native VAAI support" is other than a marketing term created out of thin air.
Are they supporting all 5 primitives or the original 3?
And really, comparing Whiptail to Kaminario is like apples to orangutans.
so buy 500K+ in storage/software and we will throw in a few free proliants. #yawn
RIM is dead. Long live RIM.
whats the point of a new OS when the last one they released doesn't have 90% of the apps people want to use?
great if all you run is Oracle
keep this in mind, none of the oracle ZFS systems support any of the VAAI primitives for VMWare or have any integration into vCenter, let alone hyper-v. how many shops are not putting their virtualization layer on their SAN arrays?
I've seen sales rep pushing these in tandem with the oracle database appliance (due to the pathetic 4TB usable space on that rig), honestly there are better ZFS solutions available.
curious, wtf happened to Pillar?
snapshots and replication are still crap.
Re: 2.5 inch drive. 1.2 TB.
yeah and tapes been dead for how many years now? oh wait....
SSD has a long way to go before it catches up with the density and even father when it comes to cost of HDD's
10 years from now, we will still be using HDDs.
Best bet is that they have tried to buy them and were rebuffed, and now are using the courts to help put pressure on the much smaller companies. This is what I would expect from a company that has been working with governments to provide backdoors to their products.
People seem to have short memories, go ask SCO how their turn at the patent lawsuit party went with IBM. Ok I think we all pretty much understand this is a pathetic and desperate move on Symantecs part. Essentially they should sue every company that makes a backup and recovery product. Like a lot of companies whose growth came from acquisition, when they are no longer innovative, they turn to alternative means to increase their profit base. That they are choosing to pick on both Veeam and Acronis, shows that those companies are successful enough to be worth their attention.
Symantec has lost a ton of face latley with their source code hack, and it coming out that they have been working back channel with various governments to provide backdoors for their products. These lawsuits won't serve as a distraction from that if that is what they are thinking.
wrong storage for the job
Really a VNX for multi-tenancy? you get what you pay for. The Entire VNX line is tier 2. I would never think of running mission critical multi-tenant workloads on one of them.
news flash, memory is faster than disk
somehow I fail to find this all that impressive.
I dont have a firm grasp on the dynamics of what is run during SPC-1 otherwise I'd run it on my own XIV system. I will say that I do get solid performance from it during real world workloads, though I have yet to push it past 30k IOPS on any given day in our production environment.
interesting that there was no IBM for comparison, I wonder why? Probably because those 2 socket 3690's will smoke these boxes.
while I like the concept, I'm not too thrilled with the delivery/design. for one AMD.
"usable capacity" code for if you can reach our unreachable dedupe and compression rates for your data.
its 4 VNX systems with 8 File Systems (none of which can share data between them) hardly the kind of rig any business would deploy.
And for 6 million you get 60TB usable. Hell for that price point, I could deploy all DRAM and get twice the IOPS, faster writes and far greater reliability. Once again, marketing a system no one will ever buy as a valid benchmark.
SPEC continues to be a joke as well.
Not arrogant, but passionate
Poster above is correct, while Moshe did not "invent" XIV he did lend his cache to the product and helped to mature it and bring it to market which is no small feat given the number of storage co's that fail.
I can kind of see the point of the criticism, when Moshe came to our shop to pitch XIV he did come off as a tad arrogant, but I do believe its not necessarily arrogance as much as it is a passion for the technology and the change it brings into the storage area. XIV is eating into a lot of EMC shops just ask around.
XIV could not replace IBM's storage offering (especially since they picked up Storwize) but it does displace a large chunk of it, and the sales reps I know who were former XIV and now IBM can attest to this. XIV is also not RAID1
XIV is most definably not Equallogic on any level, I know I have both platforms.
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