For a company that saw a 33% drop in revenue
I hardly think they would be the arbiter of the future direction of storage.
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I hardly think they would be the arbiter of the future direction of storage.
Far too much hype around the hyper converged market. The reality is that yes if you are a greenfield customer or someone with a small number of VM's in your environment (say sub 500) then HCI is a good fit, but the reality is, the inability to independently scale compute and storage will always leave gaps. Some customers are ok with that, think shops with 5 total IT people, also think large orgs who have very specific projects that they want hardware isolation, thats where its a good fit. But, HCI will never replace core infrastructure for sophisticated customers, anyone who still has bare metal workloads won't be able to use it, anyone who operates at legitimate scale won't use it either (they already have been building their own HCI solutions) and the price point for a HCI platform is ludicrously expensive.
TL:DR works great for specific use cases (think VDI mostly) and small customers with unsophisticated environments. Everyone else will go the converged infrastructure route.
still have yet to see an EVO system at a customer site anywhere. HP wants a stupid amount of money fort their system with zero value add. HDS hasn't released theirs in the wild yet. Dell pushes the far more flexible and profitable Nutanix offering. The other bottom barrel players have crap supportability and no sales teams capable of articulating the value.
Those are just the OEM issues. EVO doesn't integrate into existing VMW environments, its an island of resources. Who wants that? SimpliVity and Nutanix offer services on top of the base HC delivery vehicle, and they tend to be cheaper solutions when compared to EVO, far more feature rich, and far more flexible (multi-hypervisor support). So again I ask, who will buy this?
Answer, no one.
influencer community types can get access to the nutanix POC lab pretty much anytime they want without having to incur the time/effort to spin up a neutered community edition of the product. Your comment has zero merit. This isn't thought leadership, this is list building. Most of the people you mentioned are paid for commentary types, they are not going to waste their time playing around with something that they dont get paid for. As for the various other groups, I'd hazard a guess that they dont have the required HW on hand to build out a nutanix cluster.
there's a good reason that you cant sign up for this trial without a corporate email address, and why they are giving away 3k towards a home lab.
Netapps needs a sweep at top level management, not at the tech level if they want to remain relevant.
And regurgitated it.
All those stupid cat pictures on your facebook profile that you have not accessed in a year, they go on a box like this because FB users are inpatient twits who can't wait the 10 seconds it takes to pull those archived images off of disk, or DVDROM media. There is a very deep market for all flash archive storage, its just not remotley relevant for 99% of companies out there today.
They will sell a lot of this, and you will never hear about it.
Kind of a big omission is the amount of usable memory on each of those boxes. Can you update.
Whats this the 3rd attempt by HP to do networking? Yeah good luck with that.
HP has lost its way, they have all the potential growth in the Networking world as Netapp has in storage.
makes as much sense as their EVO:Rail system
That's where this system (and many others) will be from a market perspective. When technologies like DSSD eventually come to market (and similarly architected solutions) these old dinosaurs will be regulated to the scrap heap. The plain truth of it is, very few customers actually need those performance numbers. And for the performance they do require, they can gain that a fraction of the cost of this array, or any of the other monolithic boxes designed in the 90's.
Storage vendors need to drop the speeds/feeds crap marketing that they have used for the last few decades and focus far more on the actual benefit that their products bring to an organization, that will drive sales of their product. Everything else is just chest thumping crap that no one who pays for these products cares about.
Netapp had it all at one point, but the failure to truly innovate or adjust to the changing storage landscape has harmed their long term prospects. The storage space is highly competitive. One need only to look at the success that many of the new storage startups have had during the same period that Netapp has fallen. Taking a strong look at an architecture that simply cannot keep up with the future of data might be a good start if they want to remain relevant in the changing data economy.
No one you know has one, no one you know has seen one. What did they get picked up for, 150M plus some debt? Lets focus on real shipping technologies instead of products no one has.
of these obvious commercials for specific vendors products masquerading as helpful content
Sure, I'll trust my enterprise to a version 1.0 product.
The flash will burn out long before that.
Isn't this like the 4th such article pimping their stuff this year?
There is your answer.
yes we get it you work for Pure Storage.
believe it when I see it, until then, its all hype.
Bold prediction, no one except Netapp zealots will buy this. There are a number of vendors jumping into the EVO stack who are absolutely clueless about the hyper converged space, and Netapp appears to be the most ignorant of all. The entire value prop around hyper converged is to remove complexity of the multi-system traditional infrastructure stack. Netapp jumping into this space shows once again that they just don't get it anymore, and why Nimble, Pure Storage, Tegile and others are feasting on their carcass.
and all headache associated with it. Give it up and move on to something else instead of a hobbyists file system.
Good luck with the pivot, they will need it.
So Fujitsu wrote this and you put your name on it. Cute.
There is a big difference between a non disruptive upgrade, and an upgrade that requires a data migration / restoration event. Far too many times I've seen people take the vendors word for it when it comes to the upgrade/update process only to get burned down the road. The onus is on the purchaser to ensure that they fully vet a solution(s) that are being considered for purchase. Any decent storage admin worth his salt would have a set test routine to put a solution through its paces, as well as the proper questions to ask. As always the devil is in the details and its up to the purchaser to do their own due diligence.
If you get bit by something like this its because you didn't do your homework.
HP is the last group that should be prognosticating on any futures. #Autonomy
You can't treat flash as standard disk.Sure it may be faster but you will burn it out. Nutanix ran into that early on when they were burning through Fusion IO cards because they did all their read/write cache in the SSD space. Since their dedupe isn't in-line for all data, they rely on post process for capacity savings which is a fools errand. If you look even deeper you will realize the performance hit is significant when they do turn dedupe on, then there is the issue of not being able to do dedupe and compression at the same time, or having to turn it on or off for specific workloads. Essentially you are injecting significant amounts of complexity into a platform that was meant to be simple, which is the one key benefit that hyperconvergence is supposed to provide.
Lots of holes in this offering. 10GbE Only, Ent+ licensing only. Smaller ROBO sites wont be needing that much horsepower as well. Not bad for a fledgling effort but expect it to change.
Nearly all of the Tegile sales staff is ex Dell. They most certainly know who they are.
Yawn. Really this is a big deal, for who exactly other than Asigra.
You can have it cheap or fast, you can't have both. There will be a breaking point, its up to you to figure out what is acceptable. I'll also throw out, one size doesnt fit all, especially with storage today.
The adage of "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. I'm not saying rush out and pay 12k per TB for JBOD, but if there are features outside of what everyone offers and there is a price premium, to many shops that 12K is acceptable. It takes an incredible amount of R&D effort, time, and capital to bring a product to market. No one is in this business to lose money.
I dont want cheap and easy. I want it to work.
Maybe if Netapp discounts Flexpod by 70%. H
For the year 2010 maybe. The new metric is latency, thats where dinosaurs like this will fail. All they did was prove that AFA trumps big iron.
this is so true on so many levels.
Seriously, if you are still on EVA then I feel sorry for you.
A "software company" that won't sell its software? How long before people realize its just open source on cheap hardware with a 70% markup?
This is just convergent IO re-branding as COHO Data.
anyone ever seen their kit in the wild?
Never a cost breakdown with these claims of X for the cost of Y. Enough with the VaporWare pricing. Show me the real price breakdown.
I'm really getting tired of these stories where they say You can get X for Y dollars and no breakdown is even given. Enough with the VaporWare Pricing. Show me the numbers.
and its glaringly obvious.
50,000 install base of vRanger? what are you counting back to the start of the company? how many of those customers dropped it for Veeam, I'd say well over 60%. You want to call Veeam a niche product, then what is Appassure and vRanger?
don't you remember?
question, has anyone actually bought and paid for any Mt Rainier kit? That might be your answer.
As brilliant as the CEO may be, he shouldn't be doing tech support, yet he has. Nimbus could have the most brilliant piece of kit around, but without a solid and dedicated staff to support it, no one will buy it. The CEO refuses to relinquish any control to anyone jr to him and its harmed the company. That's his decision, but it resonates with customers who ask around and do their due diligence when researching the company and making a decision to buy.
There is a reason talent leaves and moves to competitor with a inferior product.
you dont get to charge 10k per TB if you do that.
" The company says it is growing strongly and needs to bulk up its organisation to handle the increasing number of these customers."
Don't you mean, no one bought our products when we were named RELDATA, and the management team in place had no idea how to grow the company, so we hired a bunch of second tier C-level people to give us a face lift after no one bought our stuff when we had a different name.
Yeah that sounds about right.
The lawsuit with symantec. I'm guessing they know they can't prevail with that one. Even more puzzling is to move from one saturated market to another. There is ample competition in the "corporate dropbox" arena, and unless they have some form of differentiation versus the competition in that space they will be facing a new and different uphill road to travel. And lets not forget that Arconis was never a real player in the backup space when it came to the enterprise anyway. 250k customers, I'm betting thats mostly single users who picked up a copy of their imaging software.
If anything EMC buys Arista, which dovetails much better with the SDN noise machine.
CA? I forgot they were even in business. Maybe they could pilfer the former CEO's of RIM while they are at it and really seal their fate. At this point who would even want to buy Netapp? Sure they have a chunk of the storage business, but as a company that continues to fail at innovation, or even improve upon the product lines they have, what would they have to offer a potential suitor other than customer base?
Start doing the math on some of the components listed in the 'vSan" to get that "6X" performance and you will quickly realize that the costs involved start to add up very quickly. Lets also ignore the fact that not every system connecting to storage is virtual. Mellanox loves to lead with extreme claims, but the devil is usually in the details.
Honestly these kind of advertisements masquerading as articles don't lend a lot of credibility to the Reg. Instead of just regurgitating the press release, maybe actually do a little digging and report.