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Master Beats: Why doesn't audio quality matter these days?

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Re: I'm less convinced than I sound that all DACs are created equal

Heheh, yeah, I don't think you'd need to be a professional to hear the differences - you can hear the difference a mile off even between professional converters - this is mostly due to the manufacturers being idiots with their AA-filters, though. If you're interested in this topic, Dan Lavry has some outstanding white papers on the subject. http://www.lavryengineering.com/lavry-white-papers/

Interestingly, by far the most blatant of this i've ever seen was on the old Sound Blaster Live series of soundcards by Creative - they were one of the first generation of mutli-IO computer based soundcards. They used different converters for the front L/R and surround L/R outputs. Plug your speakers into the front ones, and play a song - the sound was OK. Plug them into the surround output instead, and set that as your main output in Windows.... And it sounded STUNNING - like someone removed a blanket from over your head!

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Re: "The term "audio quality" just isn't applicable"

True: profit's the goal - But why the hell would they waste money on an engineer if audio quality doesn't matter?They pay them those prices because of the quality of the results.

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Re: @Lee D

" you can often easily detect artifacts on HF sounds like cymbals"

http://xkcd.com/1015/ comes to mind on this topic.

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Re: Er... how?

"Changes the audio wave? Er... how? In ways the human ear can't register? Nobody cares about the things in the audio that they *can't* hear.""

Heh... fair point, but it depends on the sound system and the size of the room it's being listened to in.

To take it to extremes - if you play an MP3 out of a top level PA or club sound system, it turns into an incoherent mush. It's striking - like someone faxing in the song.

I guess the nature at which the frequencies arrive at the ear in those sorts of environments is so different that the assumptions about which "sounds the human ear can't register" are wrong.

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Re: The music itself is the problem

I used to think that, but I've realised there's no reason for it to be true, except carelessness.

The problem happens if you take an old recording that was designed around having tons of dynamics, and then remaster it to be loud as hell, then it sounds disastrous. Case in point being the remasters of Zeppelin's Immigrant Song, where there's zero impact when the scream comes in anymore.

But if you work from the start trying to make sure the arrangement is ok, and built around loudness from the start, with space for several sounds to come through and be loud simultaneously without fighting, and without overloading the mix, then you're ok - a lot of Foo Fighters stuff shows this very well.

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Re: "The term "audio quality" just isn't applicable"

LOL... You do know the people mix-engineering the top tracks in those genres are making £20,000 per track at a minimum? Do you honestly think record companies would pay that much if the results wen't good? You're just letting the artist's "image" dictate what your ears think they hear.

US Senate vote to add internet sales tax this week

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Re: unfair burdens?

"... to over 9,600 state, regional, city and town tax authorities ..."

aye, yeah, missed that somehow - I'd been under the impression since this was first mooted that it just applied to state taxes.

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unfair burdens?

Eh? What is hard about adding a percentage to a sale based on the delivery address, and keeping a record of it?

Turn off the mic: Nokia gets injunction on 'key' HTC One component

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Re: Could anybody explain...

@Schultz The trouble with using small mics with a high maximum amplitude is that they either have a very high noise floor (i.e. they generate a lot of noise themselves, drowning out someone whispering, for example), or they simply don't respond to low level sounds because they're too heavy.

What nokia have done, it appears, is have a "high dynamic range" - that means it can capture both quiet and loud sounds. All whilst presumably not draining the battery by powering power hungry preamps, or by having to supply a massive phantom power voltage to the mic.

I'd like to see the patents actually - anyone got any links to the ones being argued about?

Pyongyang to unleash NUKULAR horsemen of the Norkocalypse?

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Unhappy

Re: western blinkerism

The South Koreans are shrugging it off, saying they're crying wolf as usual. Much more so than the US or Europeans. All my friends there are relaying that message back. But I can't help but think that blanking them like that just goads the North on.

The ideal would be if NK could have a burma-esque style volte-face... maybe someday it'll happen.

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Re: Mutually assured dullness

If they all go to war, and it ends up with a division again along the 38th parallel, with the Chinese taking responsibility for repairing the north, and the US taking responsibility for rebuilding the south...... :-(

I really wish that was more unimaginable than it is...

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Re: Mutually assured dullness

Fair point.

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Re: Mutually assured dullness

Yep. The danger here is that if it does go nuclear, something could wrong, causing China and/or Russia to get involved against the US. It doesn't strike me as at all impossible that an ICBM from the US could accidentally hit either of those countries instead of NK. Then what would happen? Something as a bad as this: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/nuclearwar1.html ? Half as bad? Quarter as bad? Does it make a difference?

I, for one, don't want to find out.

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Meh

Re: "partly because these don't exist"

Hmmm... unfortunately it's a safe bet that these "don't exist" in the same way Israel's nukes "don't exist".

But you're right there's no chance that China would be that stupid. The scenario is so idiotic on so many levels it baffles me how our liveleaker could have come up with it even as a piss take!

Ancient website from 1999: By Mark Zuckerberg aged 15¾

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Re: Hit Counters

ha! looking at this 4 hours later, it's 150, then 369.... what spanner designed a hit counter that rolls over!?

Swedish judge explains big obstacles to US Assange extradition

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FAIL

not a chance

of him getting the death penalty, or even being charged with something that could potentially lead to that. That's all just hysteria from either assange's people or politicians in the states who have zero authority in the matter

Microsoft unveils even more tempting Kinect offering: Open source

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Re: Trying to catch up with the Leap

The guy writing that Leap article doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He's gauging everything off the stock visualiser app's behaviour, but that's just one crude interpretation of the information from the sensors. It's up to Devs to make the best use of the device. It's akin to saying you can never do proper photo-editing on Windows, and basing that opinion on MSPaint, whilst making no attempt to install Photoshop.

'Million-strong' zombie army devours Raspberry Pi's crunchy base

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Re: Why? - Sometimes because...

I'm quite surprised that no one's mentioned this, but often DDOS attacks are launched as a distraction, to allow someone to infiltrate the network whilst the admins are looking the other way. A major example of this recently was, unless I'm mistaking, the huge Sony/PSN hack.

Ad-titan Google blocks Adblock Plus in Android security tweak

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Re: no one is asking...

Open source, community driven.

Google stokes hype machine over Project Glass robospecs

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Re: they all laughed alright...

Having said this... it does lead me to wonder... Google's trying to find a better way to sell ads (Mr C's better route to India) ...... so what is going to be Google's New World, I wonder...

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darkening can be done

Have semi transparent mirror. You could make something with adjustable transparency either...

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they all laughed alright...

But about what? It was his claim that he could create a cheaper trade route to India by sailing west.

They're still laughing, Derek! ;-)

AMD: Star Trek holodecks within reach

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Re: Holodecks aren't just about processing power

Actually, just thinking, to be specific here: it wasn't simply the act of sitting on the sofa, it was the feeling that someone had sat down right beside them on the next cushion! they actually felt the sofa move and adjust beneath their backside, as the other person's weight moved the cushion on their left hand side. When in fact they were in the room, on their own. The illusion even worked when their eyes were open!

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Happy

Re: Holodecks aren't just about processing power

Surprisingly, roughness / solidity isn't the most difficult thing to simulate. Bizarrely our ears over-rule our fingertips in this context! Blindfold someone with headphones on, and have them scrape their hands over a piece of glass, and they'll be completely convinced it's wood, metal, sandpaper, or marble they're touching depending on what sound you feed into the headphones.

I've done experiments that have listeners utterly convinced they've just sat down into a plush fabric sofa, when in fact, they've sat onto something solid. It's amazing what careful sound design can do to fool people! :-)

Also - in a somewhat similar phenomenon, our sense of touch works determines the texture of material by detecting vibrations, and there's been a lot of progess in this field: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/sense_touch_uses_vibrations_just_hearing-98781

Satanic Renault takes hapless French bloke on 200km/h joyride

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Boffin

Re: Assume it was an auto box.

I've driven vans where the steering lock engages when the engine stalls. Terrifying if it happens just as you're pulling out across traffic from a side road!

Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

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reminds me...

Reminds me of my brother logging into a Starseige Tribes server many years ago with the number 666 after his player name... and getting kicked because it made the admin uncomfortable! Once he switched it to 13 he was ok!!

The Register Android App

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Re: To cut The Register some slack?

I'm inclined to agree... what the hell are they doing? The app is huge, and all it has to do download and display text. El Reg is the least visually complex online news site on the web - zero graphs in the articles, feck-all pictures, and no fancy fonts. All it needs for an app is a glorified RSS reader, with the ability to submit comments, something that's been done 20 million times before!

What is so special about El Reg that makes it so hard? Are they trying to do everything from scratch from first principles? The %20 bugs people are getting when commenting suggests they are...

It's as though they've reinvented the wheel and decided the best shape was a square.

Dotcom says German authors' society canned Mega launch vid

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Re: "all-signing, all-dancing" and "comnent stream"

See my post above... the songwriters are registered with GEMA. Therefore it cannot be used without paying GEMA a royalty, which then gets passed to the songwriters after GEMA take a cut. It doesn't matter who owns the recording. If the songwriters don't like that, they can feel free not to register with the rights agency.

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Headmaster

Re: rights collections agencies are right

Apologies for the garbled edit on the first line! "Asking them to collect"..

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rights collections agencies are right

If you, as an artist sign up with a rights organisation, you're askng them the right to collect all income for your songs, and paying them by givng them a cut of the statutory royalties due. You no longer have the power to waive royalties except by agreement with your collection agency....

Is this possibly the worst broadband in the world?

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Re: Reg hack uses site to raise beef with BT?

I'm going to second this. I was encountering similar intermittent .1Mbps performance on ADSL, roughly the same distance from a population centre as the author, with zero help from the ISP, In the end, I picked up one of the phones, and what do you know, I could hear light crackle when I moved the cable. So I threw the phone in the bin, and retested, and I ended up at a very stable 3meg. A quick call to the ISP demanding that they give me something closer to the 8 meg plan I'm supposedly on, and rather than getting the "that's the best the line can take" response, I was told - "your line can take 7.2meg"! Upgraded on the spot. .1 to 7.2 in a single day. It can be done. Just make absolutely bloody sure your internal wiring and router are flawless.

Btw, if there is any noise on the phone line and it's not to do with your phone, but instead is bt's cables. THIS is what's screwing the connection. Report the noise with their phone department. NOT the broadband department. Say you need crystal clear phone calls. They take any noise on phone calls seriously. But mention broadband, and you get thrown into offshore hell.

All your audio, video kit is about to become OBSOLETE

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Headmaster

Re: NO

What? and no knuckle rapping for "automagically"!?

Amazon puts up CD rack in the cloud, unearths your OLD stuff too

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Re: What about...

yep... just another case of a huge tech company deciding it can do what it wants without sorting things out with the rights-holders first... :-/

Police use 24/7 power grid recordings to spot doctored audio

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Angel

Re: Good gods, Donald!

I may have been a tad harsh last night, lol - I've heard people the same tales about digital audio and phase before - but the reality is that unless you're building a crude ADC yourself, you'll only encounter phase issues right at the nyquist frequency.

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Holmes

Re: In Audacity you can easily add a dehum filter

Yip. The trouble being though, of course, when you notch out that many harmonically related frequencies from a human voice, makes it sound like they're talking in a 10 foot diameter plastic pipe...

(Sherlock for his pipe fondness, not his sarcasm! ;-) )

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Re: Good gods, Donald!

And about phase - If I set a signal generator to give me a 50Hz sawtooth wave, and I record that 50Hz sawtooth wave, I will get a phase-perfect 50Hz facsimile of the sawtooth wave. NOT, as you seem to be implying, a phase shifted mess of a waveform.

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Good gods, Donald!

How inaccurate do you think modern digital audio gear is??

Mains frequency drifts, due to the phase shifts you're mentioning, between 49.9 and 50.1Hz. That's a piece of piss to record, and has been for probably 40 years! Indeed - you can audible hear the pitch change as you're working on audio with high levels of mains hum recorded over even a 15 minute period of time, if you jump back and forth between different sections. Hell, you can see it visually in the amplitude waveform, without even resorting to frequency analysis!

Don't believe me about the frequency variation? Have a look here - http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Electricity/Data/Realtime/Frequency/Freq60.htm

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Re: Its even easier than Audacity

What, pray tell, are you going to do about the induced noise at, say, 800Hz?

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Re: So take a high-pass 200Hz filter and ...

Errr... numbers aren't necessarily meaningly - a 48dB/Octave HPF 200Hz filter will push any noise at 50Hz well below the level encodable on a 16bit system.

But anyway, that's moot point - as I've just mentioned in a different post here - of much more interest when doing this sort of analysis are the harmonics in the 500Hz-3kHz range - not the fundamental. It's utterly impossible to remove the higher harmonics of mains hum without mangling the speech.

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Re: muck up a 50Hz signal too much to arrive at a reliable forensic result?

"I'm just wondering if recordings made digitally with a system designed to attenuate/discard "unessential" information mightn't muck up a 50Hz signal too much to arrive at a reliable forensic result?"

They'll be fine for any real world codec - you're not likely worried about 50Hz when doing this sort of analysis - that's a difficult frequency to work with, especially if you're going to be trying to verify things aurally. Of much more interest is the harmonics - 100, 150, etc, up into the low-kiloHertz (speech) range which (annoyingly for any sound engineer) tend to get picked up much more strongly than the fundamental. It's easier to pick out and analyze frequency changes in those ranges. In the event your compression algorithm for recording ditched the 200Hz range, then most likely 400Hz, or 450Hz will still be there, and you can derive the fundamental from there.

Remember how Shazam can almost without fail pick out a recording in the background of a noisy restaurant through a crappy phone mic - that achievement is orders of magnitude more difficult than what the Met has in mind.

You make a fair point though, as it is possible to envisage compression with the sort of frequency quantisation where this sort of analysis will not work (quantising every frequency to, say, the nearest 100Hz for example, as in a crude FFT), however that sort of codecs will make any speech sound completely robotic - think somewhere between Stephen Hawking and a Dalek.

Dutch script kiddie pwns 20,000 Twitter profiles

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WTF?

so where's the story here?

App uses permissions users granted it?

Hubble takes furthest peep back into universe's history

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Happy

Re: click to enlarge

click the image once it opens -> your browser is probably shrinking it to fit the window, and you need to zoom in :-)

My chrome and safari does that (it's so annoying)

Netflix names Google Fiber the fastest ISP in the US

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Re: I'm with you guys, I don't get it

Exactly... surely the good people at SpeedTest.net are the ones with the best figures, which they collate into:

http://www.netindex.com

Assange: Google, Facebook run 'side projects' for US spooks

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Re: Already doing it

Those idiots posted that publicly on twitter. There was no spying involved. If you look at who normally uses that phrase, you'll see it's used exclusively as a call to arms at the end of statements by militant Islamists. OF COURSE the US are going to keep a database of people saying that publicly. It would be remiss of them not to.

The Sinofsky Letters: Defenestrated Windows overlord corresponds

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Re: GUIs are supposed to be for newbies.

AMEN!!!!

35 US states petition for secession – on White House website

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reminds me of this, from 2005...

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/rnc/9573/

Inside the iPad mini: Pray you never have to open one

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can you get reasonable stereo effect when they are that close together?...

Yes, you'd try to arrange the speakers such the sound comes out sideways, not just towards the listener - so that the left hand sound bounces off nearby objects on the left, making it sound as though the speaker is further in that direction than it actually is.

Laptops often blatantly use this trick, by sending the sound sideways and downwards, away from the listener, so that it bounces off the desk its sitting on.

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