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Re: If it all goes wrong, just sue Microsoft @Nigel
>> Vic, you fail.
>Well, one of us does.
I agree. Vic, you fail.
Nigel gave an example or RHEL & 13 years of support to counter XP's ~13 years of support.
Yes, RHEL does support their latest products for 13 years - for a fat fee.
CentOS/Scientific support ends in 10 years. White Box EL seems to have been canned years ago.
Re: If it all goes wrong, just sue Microsoft @Nigel
Vic, you fail.
The cheapest RHEL equivalent for XP would be the Red Hat Enterprise Linux for Desktops. Even that requires a subscription for updates and in total costs a hell of a lot more than zero euros.
Re: If it all goes wrong, just sue Microsoft @Nigel
Take the cheapest RHEL equivalent and calculate the subscription costs for it for all those 13 years. That will be several times more expensive than XP Pro license ever was.
The "fix it yourself" attitude is also an unreal proposition. How many people do you know that are adept at squashing bugs in Linux kernel? How fast could a 0-day vuln be fixed and tested until it's production ready in a bank environement? How much would a team of such experts cost?
There's no kill switch in XP. I have clients that still use networked DOS and Win95 boxes.
"There's no direct upgrade path from 32-bit XP to 64-bit Windows 7 (or 8). Why not, Microsoft only knows. It's not as if nobody wanted it. They'd even pay for it."
Before lambasting Microsoft's policies, can you give examples of upgrading a 32-bit desktop OS from ca. 2001 to a 64-bit OS from 2012?
How many Linux distros support jumping from 32-bit to 64-bit when upgrading?
Next, try to upgrade your Fedora Core 1 (from 2003) to the latest 64-bit version. Jumping through the hoops may in theory be possible but I certainly would start from scratch.
Re: XP to Windows H8 @Richard
Why are you even contemplating on upgrading ancient computers to Windows 8?
I wouldn't bother even with Windows 7 on Pentium4/Athlon era CPU, and you'd still be limited to 32 bit OS on those processors.
What a complete non-issue.
Re: El Reg not a travel expert
I'm surprised TheReg doesn't promote "The English Riviera" or Blackpool. Or Stoke.
Re: D'Oh @Nigel 19:00
"can you tell me any [non-proprietary] language for which a compiler or interpreter exists on Windows but not on Linux?"
No, I can't.
But I think your statement of 'wide gamut of free software on Linux vs. the opposite on Windows' is incorrect. All those GCC compilers you are thinking of are working under Windows. Be it with help of Cygwin or MinGW, they are available and free-open, as you like to put it.
If the users are working within a Linux environment it is perfectly reasonable for them to use Linux in their computers. That I do not dispute.
Re: D'Oh @Nigel 19:00
"That in turn is at least in part because the Linux environment is open and provides a wide range of free programming tools, whereas the Windows environment is closed and does not."
To quote (a many times up-voted) AC earlier in this thread:
- evidence, please, for the wide range of free programming tools under Linux vs. Windows?
Especially in academic environment Microsoft (et al?) provide free coding tools.
Re: Many @Coward 16:12
My evidence is purely anecdotal. Many people have a dislike against Windows 8 without actually using it.
Many people prefer Windows over Linux even without ever using Linux. People just have beliefs.
Re: D'Oh @Mr. Coward 16:50
I know the Metro apps are useless to many people because the selection of traditional apps is so much better.
I'm using Win8 and I'm completely disregarding the Metro UI apart from the pretty good Weather application that comes bundled with Windows. Just use the traditional applications, and Windows 8(.1) is equal to Windows 7. It just boots a bit faster and is more suitable to touch screens.
Re: Personally ...
I can easily see there the Spanish Armada sailing against England over the Sea of Tranquility.
Good enough for AC?
Nigel, what were the reasons for preferring Windows 7 over Windows 8?
Did you also get reasons for preferring Linux/Windows?
Many people prefer Windows 7 just because someone told them Windows 8 is pants, and many IT declined people have a habit of trusting the IT inclined and repeating the mantra to others as well.
This sounds like an intro in AA meeting: I'm using Windows 8.1 with Microsoft account.
I haven't told Win8.1 to sync or not to sync anything with Skydrive, and guess what - Win8.1 doesn't sync my "stuff, calendar, contacts emails with Skydrive". It does seem to - by default - backup Metro settings, list of installed metro programs, IE favorites and such, and all those can be switched off. My Outlook calendar, contacts or emails are not in any way connected to Skydrive and certainly aren't sync'd there.
I'm still perfectly able to use Skydrive in the same manner as Dropbox or Google Drive - ie. free internet storage that is handy to share files with others.
Prove me wrong if you can.
Re: Does it seem to anyone else...
>Does it seem to anyone else...that it's now almost impossible to buy a laptop with discrete graphics that isn't a gaming laptop?
No. All the major laptop manufacturers have workstation models that feature Quadro/Firepro graphics.
Re: What's the obsession with Xbox One?
> I haven't seen this feature in Windows
Windows 8 metro apps can be snapped to one edge and the legacy software (=non-metro) work just as like you describe. Desktop area is reduced accordingly and no window can be moved or maximised over the metro app.
MIT? Bah! Humbug!
The 1 nanoKelvin reached at MIT is rather warmer than the 100 picokelvins reached by the boffins in Finland.
Re: It's 6:15am PST @Trevor
I haven't seen the original thread, but... what is a reasonable price for continuing XP support in your mind, and what are you comparing the support price to?
What other Operating Systems from 2001 (or beyond) still get updates or paid support?
Can I get support for SLES7 or RHEL 2.1? OSX 10.1? eComstation 1.0? No.
Wikipedia states that XP has 45 million source lines of code. Outsourcing that to a 3rd party would be a tremendous task unless the current maintainers were transferred to this 3rd party to continue patching. And I'm quite sure that many coders at Microsoft would not like to move to Accenture or any other big company theoretically up to the task.
BTW, last year you had an article of an all-flash array consisting of Kingston 3K SSDs. Are they still fine? My experience with them has been disastrous...
Creative Labs misled a lot of people (including me!-) ~20 years ago with AWE32 being a "4MBit" card.
The card was still a good one nonetheless.
Re: updating iOS @Tom 35
>Oh, and it wanted me to verify my MS account. By emailing me a code that I had to enter, but I could not get to email to read the code...
You're in the wrong here. Win 8.1 wanted to verify my MS account as well, but I just clicked the "skip this for now" link below it and I wasn't bothered with the verification since then.
However we can all agree that Microsoft has botched the verification process...
This is just a PR move from Google, though it is good news for those XP users who aren't going to change OS just yet.
Remember how they completely dropped the ball on Windows 2000 support when Chrome was released (2008) even though W2K had two years of life support left. Opera dropped support less than a year ago for W2K and Firefox 10.x had its last release early this year.
I expect Firefox to last much longer on XP platform than Chrome. Opera will probably follow Chrome due to its use of Blink.
Re: Perhaps @Uffish
Nitpick: just two bloody releases since Word 2007: 2010 and 2013.
It's not any different from OO: In 2007 OO was at v2 and we've had two versions after that. (and countless minor releases)
If you want to talk about working firmwares, please refer to non-Samsung laptops.
Re: complete with the Start button
You could type your programs/commands in the Vista/Win7 Start menu just like in Win8.
What most people don't really understand is that the TIFKAM screen is just the start menu, ie. launcher.
The only problem is that the Win8 start menu is always full screen.
Re: Not gonna happen @Mikel
There's Office for Mac. Explain that.
Re: ...try again @Mage @Paulc @skelband
Could you please name some of these software that runs better on Wine than latest versions of Windows?
...try again @Mage
Recommendation to NOT installing toolbars etc isn't a solution - limiting user rights is a solution and has worked wonders with my IT declined parents for example.
A quick bing reveals that a golden telephone was presented to the Pope in 1930.
And Nokia (Vertu) has had golden mobile phones for over a decade.
Mystery funds on bank account
"That money was just resting in my account!"
>Why was it so important that you press a key [sequence] to log into NT in the first place?
I'm more curious why all(?) the Linux distros do a graceful reboot when CAD is pressed in console mode. I know it can be disabled but why is this "power button" feature enabled in the first place?
Re: The question is...@jonathanb
Please provide details of you setup and how you managed 5x faster runs on FW, thank you.
My experience is that USB2 gives 30+ MB/s and FW800 cannot even triple that number.
Re: I used to care... @AC &Mcbain
Vanilla XP did have a firewall from the get-go!
Before SP2 it was called Internet Connection Firewall and was turned on by default if you told on the "welcome to windows wizard" that the computer is 'connected directly' to internet.
With SP2 MS renamed it to Windows Firewall and provided a better UI and group policies.
"There's an app for that"
Switch to Opera and use the Turbo/Off-Road mode which enables all the smut and TPB as well.
Re: low memory @AC 08:37
>Android != Linux
Android is just another distro. Ubuntu or Yggdrasil (add your favorite) users in general claim to be linux users. OK, some do add the GNU/ prefix just in case...
Re: low memory
Ribosome:>Is this why the first Lumias were released with only half a G of ram? To discourage hackers from getting Android working?
No. The first Lumias were released with 512MB of memory because the built-in OS worked well with that. Sure, there were 1GB Androids available, but there were 512MB Androids available back then as well. (which probably remained at Gingerbread and never got the ICS treatment)
I also browsed through a few Lumia 800 reviews (Engadget, GSMArena, cnet) and none were bitching about the RAM.
The highest-end iPhone (4S) at the time had 512MB and worked pretty damn well, and has had constant updates, including the soon to be released IOS7. (which is admittedly much better than the WinPho 7.8 with the first gen Lumias)
Have the tables turned re Linux and Windows now that the battle has move onto the mobile front?
Linux dominates with significant market share, the hardware requirements are highest, they have the biggest app selection (or maybe IOS does, dunno), and Android is also the only current platform with a serious malware problem.
Seagate Blackarmor NAS line left such a shitty taste in my mouth that it would be a waste of a barge pole to even touch these products.
Buffalo may be slightly better (than Seagate) but their ISCSI/NAS products have frustratingly slow web UIs, poor performance in multiuser scenarios and I just don't trust these products that much. Every time I've asked something from their support they give you the runaround answers and I've never had the patience to follow all the frankly idiotic suggestions to get to even second tier support. For example, apparently OSX users can create files/folders with AFP that they (nor any admin user) can modify afterwards. "Just reformat that multi-TB NAS in production use, not that a big deal"
It may not be easier to setup a basic server with DASD, but it sure is more solid performer.
Is the Overland NAS business any good? How about the other NAS players, Thecus, QNAP and so on?
@AC re:secure boot
Secure Boot has thus far been secure and hasn't been compromised as of yet.
Please explain your idea of "sarcastic MS in-joke"
@Twat Bwyant Re: Danny 14 "Have the Guardian post secrets on the NSA....."
Meanwhile you can call Ahmed Bouchik and de Menezes.
Re: Danny 14 "Have the Guardian post secrets on the NSA....."
Matt, the keyword is alleged.
Re: Those videos
The Roxbury spoof is funny as hell!
Re: Bought from HP
Pavilions are HP's consumer products. Comparing to a pricey Mac is disingenuous.
Fast, Good, Cheap - pick any two.
Festivus for the rest of us!
>I make that hook, line and sinker on two!
You shouldn't troll. The forum rules are against that. It'd be so sad to see you get the boot from mgmt...
Besides, trolling is a big no-no. And taking pride of being a troll is beyond stupid - Linus would be happy to coin a Finnish phrase for your ilk - though he probably couldn't care less of anonymous nobodies like you.
Re: Place your bets! @Twat Drypants
Government apologists - every forum should have one!
Btw, you should really stop the name calling.
Re: Yes, they remember you...!
> why isn't Microsoft giving sneak peaks to regular old consumers as well?
Yawn... they ARE giving a sneak peek. This version is for the Windows 8 Enterprise edition. Not for the 'regular old consumers' as you put it. Here's the regular version:
Re: That's why we need free systems
You would also have to build the CPU and all other hardware by yourself just to be sure.
And how can you know the compiler isn't infected? Don't say you compiled the compiler by yourself...
Also, compiling a firmware at boot sounds very tin-hattery.
Obvious troll is obvious
Oh yes, the wonderful world of Amiga and the zealot users. Apparently paying less is stupid these days.
The PC has always had DMA channels. That was when "Commodore" actually meant either PET2001 or VIC-20.
Amiga users really had to donate livers and pay through the nose to have equipment that was pretty much standard on PC's back then - real time clock, hard drives, even a secondary disk drive was much more expensive than the PC equivalent. Not to mention the paltry 512kB memory standard on A1000/A500.
I should know, I too was on the Commodore bandwagon back then.
Re: 18 Months behind? @Roger
> 18 Months behind? Where do they think the competition will be in a year from now?
So you are saying that FirefoxOS and all other non-IOS/Android systems have no future because the game is already over? Oh, Please.
Re: Google Chrome Printing @Roger
> I just printed a document, via the cloud, to a local printer for the first time, at the first attempt...MS have got some serious catching up to do to get it this good.
You just described what's wrong on Android (IOS as well), and you fail to see the problem. Your scenario is good only if you need to home printer while on the road and you have a brand new printer which has embedded cloud printing - many new printers just don't have the capability. And if you have a "legacy" printer that doesn't do fancy cloud stuff - you need an extra PC to act as a print server.
Not to mention that connecting any USB printer straight to your Chromebook will never work.
I have a working "legacy" printer on the network. It doesn't understand cloud print/NSA print, but it understands IPP/LPD/RAW, like any good printer does. Printing starts immediately and certainly isn't capped by my 1Mb uplink speed.
Speeding up the Writer was the final nail on MSOffice. DAAMIT has been cutting edge for over a decade now!
Re: Bring it on
PCIe flash, while much faster than SATA/SAS has some drawbacks in servers:
- they always require drivers
- can you boot from any of them?
- they cannot be hot-(un)plugged
- they're even more expensive
- You would need at least two PCIe slots to have any sort of redundancy in a single server: the most common 1U/2U/Blade servers usually have 0-2 free slots anyway and in many cases the PCIe SSD would need a
10Gb or faster connection to feed it which probably eats one PCIe slot again. A server tower has many slots but towers usually have their places in offices and other places where no sort of SSD is required.