360 posts • joined Tuesday 21st September 2010 22:56 GMT
Eddy, have an upvote...
""The first of the critical flaws lies within the handling of TIFF image files"
Oh crap, I was using this as a way to make my steganographic messages self destruct. Now I'll have to rely on the DMCA to keep the NSA from reading my letters to mom."
Cutler's legacy has become an OS that processes TIFF files at ring 0, I bet he never saw that coming when he was slating UNIX in the 80s and 90s.
Re: We are making it simpler
"Because they added loads of features and allowed for the fact that individual CPUs are getting more powerful..."
I think you'll find the actual reason is that they wanted to extract more cash from their customers because they can.
Re: Voting with my feet
"Wow, what a lot of verbage. Your time is clearly worth much less than mine, so maybe you might find Linux suitable..."
Judging by the quality of that comment your time would be better spent picking your nose on a street corner.
Re: Pathetic Munich misinformation (@ Flocke Kroes)
They didn't include licensing fees in the "Total Cost of Ownership" for the Windows software... Classic weasel words.
Looks like MS thinks Licensing fees are N/A to running a Windows box, we'd all better ask for some refunds. ;)
Re: Re:Hence why near zero companies are going down that path...
That doesn't change the fact that ~ 99% of the FTSE 500 run Windows as their primary end user OS...."
Nor does it change the fact that sales of Windows desktop PCs have been falling for a few years now. This is probably because email & web browsing are the main tasks performed by those boxes, and just about anything from a low-end phone to a Mac can do the same job now.
With all due respect to FTSE 500 companies maintaining a vast Windows Desktop estate, in my experience they often piss money up the wall because they don't know any better or in some cases they simply don't feel the need to do better.
Re: I'm making it simpler in my business...
"But NOT on the desktop....And Windows Server still has a 75% market share of x86/x64 servers...."
Well I can't address your suspiciously round number of 75% or even attribute it to you because you are posting as anonymous and you won't reveal your source so that sentence is not worth the cost of sending the bits to the Register in the first place.
For the record I use a windows desktop at my place of work, and all I use it for is keeping my feet warm, reading emails (Outlook is so crap compared to Thunderbird), writing code using Eclipse and sometimes building it with Maven. Sadly I can't actually run the entire system on my dev box because the compute intensive bit is compiled down to a Linux binary which runs on a grid of Linux boxes. This is actually one of the smallest grids I've worked with (~30), the other systems I've worked on tended to have several hundred linux boxes doing the compute.
It would actually be easier if the devs could have Linux on their desktop, but there is a lot of resistance from the folks running the desktops who funnily enough have invested most of their career in MS products and don't want to see change happening - even if it would save a couple of man-months per desktop of developer time every year.
Re: I'm making it simpler in my business...
"Good luck with that. Munich council have been trying for ten years, have spent tens of millions and still haven't finished. Hence why near zero companies are going down that path..."
I'm curious, why do you peddle this stale FUD/bullshit over and over again ? If you believe in what you are saying why are you hiding behind Anonymous ?
I ask because as customer I value competition in the market place. Folks promoting FUD like yourself are working towards removing competition from the market place. If you are successful then everyone (including you) will end up with less choice, higher costs and zero incentive for the dominant player to improve their products.
Meanwhile here in the real world folks like Google, Facebook, Yahoo, oil companies and the top tier Banks have been running vast farms of Linux boxes for a long time now. Those guys in your "near zero" category account for a vast proportion of world trade, so thankfully we still have some choice in the marketplace.
Re: Double edged sword
"In essence, it is a question how you grant enough incentives to the inventor."
That's the point of the "Margin" bit, as I pointed out FRAND is not necessarily "cheap".
It would be interesting to see how it panned out if you took FRAND to it's logical market driven conclusion, namely licenses are freely traded in an efficient open market, I suspect it would favour people who made stuff which I think would be a good thing. Virtual stuff is all well and good but it doesn't put food on the table.
Re: Double edged sword
"That is eventually one solution for one market (most likely telecommunications). But you have to realise that patents are also being used in other markets (think pharma, chemistry et al.) and there, you want to grant the monopoly to the inventor so that the inventor can refinance its R&D"
FRAND appears to be a very flexible term, "reasonable" doesn't not equate to "cheap" or "free" !
I think the toughest problem is accurately determining how much the R&D actually cost (not always easy to do if it is the result of an offshoot of a larger piece of work). I would also like to see the duration of the patent tied to the total amount of money that has been claimed in licensing revenue - so the total revenue earned by the patent over it's lifetime would be R&D+Fixed Margin.
The aim behind this is to prevent Patents from being unusable because the holder refuses to hand out licenses - and in some cases that can go on for decades - effectively blocking any forward progress for mankind as a whole.
Personally I'd rather we were able to share ideas freely without having to worry if we have independently replicated some IP from first principles that happens to be held by a shyster in Texas.
Re: Double edged sword
The RAMBUS fiasco is what drove all this "FRAND" crapola. Patents should be FRAND by default, the holder gets paid (hopefully the inventor - but in reality likely to be a law firm in all but name), and in return the holder doesn't get to choose how to distort the market.
"When asked what the souce was they replied 'assembler' and I replied 'byeeee""
I think you might have missed an opportunity there... Rock solid spec (ie: the code), writing code in the language of your choice... I think your fear might have let you down badly there. ;)
I have found reading assembler written for "big" machines (eg: VAX, S/360 etc) by old school programmers (you know, the guys who inclued verbose comments describing the pseudo code for the program) to be a lot easier than reverse engineering a system written in a mixture of VB6, VBA, SQL, C#, C++ and Java for example...
Re: The Reason Why...
"The lives saved would be immense"
How is removing a source of income from the local population going to save lives exactly ? I really don't see how a gang of thugs are going to suddenly reform themselves as a result of removing a source of income from the area. It'll just increase the competition for scarcer resources - which in turn will mean even more little people snuffing it.
For the hard of understanding: The folks doing the shooting, raping and maiming can do it with or without gold/diamonds/ore/slaves, and they can get away with it because there is nothing to protect the little people.
Re: @original AC
"Ditto here: I run Exchange at home to keep my hand in (ok it's hardly a multi-site farm but it's useful!), and also CentOS Postfix MTAs to increase my knowledge, which all helps with the day job. Only this morning I was setting up greylisting on them to try and reduce the incoming spam. Not that I get that much but I take any as a personal insult ;)"
I've been running Postfix + Greylisting for a few years, it's been working very well for a few years. Next step is to see what I can do with CARP. :)
"Why do you need to run an email server anyway?"
I can't speak for the author, but minimising the number of third parties harvesting private email for fun+profit was enough motivation for me. Spending hours reading EULAs and re-reading them every time they changed was wasting a lot of time. Also a third party service can be terminated/changed/dropped so you have to be prepared to shift everything over to another one - quite often at very short notice (that has happened twice - both times with zero notice, zero mitigation and no refund).
At least when you are running the server yourself you have some control about what changes and when.
"And some people may have missed the news. but you can use IMAP on hotmail now. It was introduced a couple of months ago."
I can't recommend Hotmail on the basis of POP3 or IMAP access over the long term. I found that Microsoft had a habit of breaking it for weeks and months at a time (no prior notice, explanations, apologies etc) - usually whenever they revamped their service (ie: at least once every 2 years). On the first occasion they dropped POP3 support they didn't bother telling anyone - when queried they said I'd have to pay for it on the basis that it wasn't an official feature. I paid, they dropped POP3 for a long time a few months later. Their customer support was non-existent and by that I really do mean literally no customer service at all.
Maybe they have improved (they couldn't get any worse) now, but I don't think it's worth the trouble finding out.
Much as I love to kick an aggressive anti-competitive multinational in the nuts...
This isn't really an Apple problem. The telcos are the ones screwing up on their future sales projections, no one is holding a gun to their head when they sign the contract.
Re: @ alleged legion of AC trollops (eg: 11:51)
"Sure - try www.microsoft.com"
-1 for trolling, -1 for failing to put *your money* where your mouth is. Microsoft's servers are non-applicable for this one - unless of course you are on the MS payroll. ;) It wouldn't be the first bit of astroturfing and FUDing that MS has engaged in.
To do a fair test you need a Windows box that you value connected directly to the service provider - no filtering inbound or outbound, and while you are comparing to LAMP stacks add the all that AMP bit too so you are comparing like with like.
Microsoft, the 90s called, they want their FUD back.
They are unable to compete technically.
They are unable to compete financially.
They are unable to sue the opposition to oblivion.
They are unable to make the threat of removing their ad dollars stick.
They are unable to buy Google...
So they resort to their original Plan A, FUD.
It would be nice if they gave competing technically a shot for a change, you know, something positive that has benefits for their end users instead of trying to eliminate the competition via propaganda. Not entirely convinced that people seeking short-term loans is a promising growth area for Microsoft though...
@ alleged legion of AC trollops (eg: 11:51)
""Can't see Server 2012 running a set top box, can you?"
You must have missed the Xbox One launch then....same OS kernel...
The Windows kernel already scales down to for example mobile phones (and is more efficient and less memory hungry than say Android)..."
Awesome, so you can put your money where your mouth is.
All you need to do is to publish the IP of the windows server you have connected directly to the Internet and then we can all test to see how secure it really is. I figure that you won't do that because you really don't believe a word you say about Windows being the OS with the least vulnerabilities.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right ? :)
I'd love to know if you find a good solution for pH measurement that doesn't require servicing/calibration every month. :)
"He's confusing "the peoples" belief that hard working freelance individuals/small business/bands/artists/photographers/etc should be properly rewarded for their work versus "the peoples" view that big media can go fuck itself."
That seems to be the case. Although the point I was trying to make is that the majority of the public infringe copyright and the licenses they have purchased through ignorance rather than design (eg: folks installing an old copy of Windows on a new computer they just bought). A lot of that kind of freetardery could be eliminated by the vendors adopting *short, easily understood* licenses that fit how people want to use the product rather than imposing arbitrary restrictions on usage that are trivially broken. It is unrealistic and unreasonable for a vendor to expect a user to spend a couple of hours and a few hundred bucks on a lawyer just to establish if they can use the product they've paid for already.
Open Source licenses tend to suffer from the same problem of lots of verbiage, however they are *usually* standard licences (eg: LGPL V2, BSD) so you only have to read them once and grep the others against one you read to ensure they haven't snuck anything in. So as a user that's a win - less time spent trying to think like a Lawyer is always good. Commercial folks could also share recognised common licenses, it would cost them sod all and save everyone a lot of time & money in the long run, I'm not holding my breath on that one though because they would inevitably add their special clauses so they can skim another 0.01% margin.
"Today, the public don't agree with the elite's radical and utopian ideas of what IP means, whenever they're given a chance to express their views. So the elites must decide what it is on our behalf."
That seems like a massive leap given that freetards (as you call them) form the majority of the public if you choose to apply the letter of the law.
There is an interpretation of the evidence that fits both sides:
"Joe public is fed up with elites telling them what they can and can't do with stuff they have paid for".
Re: lost the plot
"Are there specific things about AMD64 you don't like? Or is it just that it showed Intel and HP execs up to be a bunch of incompetent liars and charlatans? How many times did we hear Intel say "an x86-64 is technically impossible, you need IA64" and then out came AMD64 and suddenly Intel had one too."
I got the impression from Andy Glew's (working for Intel at the time) posts to comp.arch that he felt that Intel were missing the boat by refusing to extend x86 to 64bits and that he seemed fairly certain it was possible. A few folks tried to draw him on whether he knew of a 64bit x86 skunkworks project in Oregon at the time. Looking back on it, given how quickly Intel shipped a 64bit x86 in the end, there must have been a germ of truth to the skunkworks idea. Itanic generations seemed to take an age to tape out by comparison. :)
"Texas Instruments has been making ICs longer than Intel. They know much better than Intel how to compete on the low end high volume thin margin range as well as some of their competitors."
Not sure where you are going with TI, but last I heard they had shitcanned the OMAP roadmap - they didn't do very well at low end or high end on that front. Releasing fatally wounded silicon late might have had something to do with it, or perhaps they weren't able to adapt to the shift of manufacturing from the West+Japan -> Korea/China.
Skaugen is probably right, but the Wintel partnership should not be underestimated. True, it lost the mobile war but seems pretty impregnable on the desktop, even in 2013.
"Content will always need to be generated and generation happens on the desktop, not the phablet. More phablets will demand more content which will require more desktops IMO."
Your opinion is drawn from incomplete data. While you may well be correct that more desktops will be needed to make more content, currently the vast majority of Desktop PCs are used to consume content - and it's this vast majority that is getting shit-canned.
Some people at Microsoft had the right idea with Win Mobile & the tablet PC efforts - but the execution was intentionally bolloxed - probably so it didn't eat into the desktop margins. Whatever else you say about Jobs he wasn't afraid of the new gear shredding the legacy box shifting effort, and that is why Apple are sitting on a huge pile of cash.
Meanwhile Microsoft flounder around as their ever loyal Excel fanbois yell about how they are too stupid to learn how to use alternative tools. The world is passing them all by, even in finance high frequency trading is now responsible for the majority of trades made, people slotting Excel into the critical path would lose a lot of money.
Re: A defamatory statement ..
"So who decides that someone ( or the mythical corporate "person") has a good reputation to defend in the first place? Does the court put it out for a (inter)national vote or is just membership of the Old World Order or big business qualification enough?
I'll bite. How about they assume they *have* a good reputation in the first place (as you would expect with a crony judiciary).
Re: Wintel irrelevance == x86 irrelevance
"IMHO it was very sad that DEC came up with one of the best CPU architectures ever (Alpha) just at the point when they were going bust for other reasons. Intel should have bought the IP and the designers from DEC and run with that but by that time they were far too heavily invested in x86 both financially and intellectually."
Well Intel *did* buy the IP & designers from DEC as part of a settlement of an IP infringement lawsuit, however their aim was to shut up the lawyers and bury one of the other 64bit architectures (Alpha) while they hacked away at IA64 (aka Itanic). At the time Intel planned to keep x86 32bit and relegate it to legacy/low-end stuff while everyone else was migrated to IA64. Thankfully the world was spared from a monopoly shoving an under performing freak-show ISA down it's throat by 'AMD64' and the Opteron. Thank you AMD.
A shortish while ago the Reg published an article claiming that a Chinese uni had built an Alpha ISA chip that yielded some very respectable FLOPS/W figures - I have had a hunt for more info - but I have struggled to find much beyond the initial press release. I think I'll have to learn Mandarin to find out more. :P
"There would also need to be data moving or tiering software to transfer data from Far Memory into Near Memory and vice versa."
Like the OS... :)
With a *nix you could set up the far memory as a swap device, no application tweaking necessary.
A long time ago I was infatuated with the idea that you could simply ditch L2->N caches and slap in a chunk of fast and wide local memory instead - and let the MMU and the kernel handle the caching of stuff in that local memory. The idea behind it was allowing folks to get more deterministic behaviour from their code by removing async caching logic from the equation, it wasn't my finest idea, the benefits would have been small and the downsides pretty huge I think. :)
Funny to watch Intel scrabble around looking for USPs that other folks have already done. :)
Seems a bit dumb.
From the article it appears that commentards would now have the opportunity to have another commentard's posts removed or even hurl a sue-ball at them. Commentards routinely denigrate people's skills, so I'm expecting a lot of removed posts and lawsuits. :)
Re: Have I read...
Have an upvote for "using Apple maps is about as sensible & safe as using a baby taipan as a yoyo.".
"Since I've been reading this site for upwards of 15 years - yes I am fully aware.. I've not seen an article yet on here so virulent against a person who has a legitimate legal complaint"
Would you bet your house on that ? Over those 15 years I've seen quite a few that seemed to be little more than malicious garbage dressed up as click bait that I think may qualify... :)
The Reg used to have a fair amount of technical content book-ended with some red-top gonzo journalism (I think I may have been one of the few people looking forward to reading Otto Z Stern). These days the balance has reversed, the Reg is mostly red-top gonzo journalism with the odd technical gem. I enjoy reading the SPB's exploits, Tim Worstall's stuff is interesting (don't always agree with him tho :P), and I also enjoy the pieces about the old kit and the folks who built it, but in terms of actual contemporary technical content there doesn't seem to be much left if you take away the opinion pieces and the churnalism. The commentards have changed to fit the content too, which means less technically competent posts and lots more abusive bullshit.
It's a shame, there are clearly some smart people working for the Reg, I just feel they could be making a better product overall - but at the end of the day it's their ship and plenty of folks like how they're running it (plus I can jump ship if I like too) so it's no biggie.
I'm not even sure if this post will make it, the last time I tried pointing this stuff out the post was unceremoniously moderated to oblivion. :)
"My Dr friend maintained that this was not 'as good as it could be', and applying his software engineering to it, he would have designed and built a 2.1k ohm resistor, etc. It was only because of price that I had gone down this route, not good engineering. He maintained that his amp would be better, if more expensive."
Unfortunately "near-as-dammit" doesn't always map well into the digital domain, but you make a useful point that software devs should be making compromises, and as it turns out a lot do. I have met very few people who see themselves as 'software engineers' or 'computer scientists'. :)
Re: There are a couple of lines that could work for *specific* applications
"So you need to design a number system that allows numeric operations without carry between digits."
Numeric operations that fit that category would vectorized nicely - oh look we have vector processors, Cray built a few of those, folks like Intel, AMD & Nvidia build millions of them a year.
"4) Transistors have a fan out and fan in of (typically) 10. Human neurons can go 1:10 000. Bigger is better, but at least matching a transistor is a start."
There are no 'limits' as such to a transistors (I suspect you mean gates) fan out and fan in. In the case of fan-out you simply sacrifice switching speed or burn more juice driving all those inputs (inputs typically look like capacitors - it takes time to (dis)charge a cap).
I guess there are practical limits in terms of how you wire up such a beast though, routing 10K lines across a die strikes me as tricky - maybe the tools make it trivial now. :)
"Why did they trade out of that position? They could have kept the stock until the price went back up...surely a better bet than the alternative that they chose, effectively ending the business."
The longer the fraudster held onto the trades the greater the chance that the account holder would find out. As it happens they didn't account for the fact that the account holder could not continue to trade. Just think of all those retirement funds that get thrown around by the very same jokers...
Re: Grow the other baby.
"I would happily take a computer that was twice the size, and used twice the power but was ten times as fast."
I think they could probably whip up one that was 4 times the size, used 20 times the power and was 10 times a fast and 100 times more expensive using what they've already got if you have the money. Just make sure you keep the application's working set small - say <64Kwords of Data & <64Kwords of Instructions - so you don't get hit by memory access penalities too often... You may get away with making the words very wide - but making good use of that in software is tricky. That's kinda where GPUs are good at anyway. :)
ECL would be slower simply because you can't achieve the density - and you pay latency penalties as a result.
My guess is people will achieve some amazing results with alternative technologies, but I believe these guys when they tell me CMOS is nigh on tapped out (as far as *cost effective* chips go - specialist apps may well tolerate higher costs of course).
"Some of us started with electronics too.
Actually one way out of this mess is an ANALOGUE cell that can handle more than one bit - imagine 8 logic levels between one and 8 (0--5V) handled by a single switching element. 8 bit adder would be a snap..as would an 8 bit comparator"
Right - so you have big voltage swings -> more power loss driving signals, oh and a lower signal/noise ratio.
You might be better off sticking with an analogue computer - they exist. :)
Re: DRAMA!!!! @ stu 4
Speaking a developer & very occasional software engineer, Amen to that. Have an upvote !
"We'll have to build chips which implement better internal logic and design, rather than taking the easy route of shrinking everything..
The various chip design journals & papers are worth a read, you should read them so you don't have to take my next statement on trust. The chip design bods have zillions of neat tricks above & beyond sitting on their duffs waiting for the process guys to pull the next rabbit out of the hat.
Now back to HPC...
Essentially for 'real' HPC applications time is money - which is why they throw a lot of money at making stuff go faster. With that in mind...
1) When you start running programs on physically large systems (multi-core, multi-processor, multi-rack, multi-site etc), you will eventually want to aggregate all those results of those sub-calculations together, and that is where latency kicks you in the balls.
2) At present the lower bound on latency is set at the speed of light (C). So far we haven't found a way to increase the value of C.
3) So if we want to improve latency, but we can't increase the speed of the signals tweak the speed of light, we are left with reducing the distance travelled by the signals (ie: shrinking stuff).
The CMOS guys have actually done a very good job. Even Intel seem to have got to the point where the only real tweak they have left is upping the cache size, and at this point they seem to have run into the latency wall there too as far as CMOS goes (increasing cache size increases latency of the cache).
Re: The CLOUD brought down by a single NIC card?
"Designing for problems you don't know exist or do not understand is how you end up broke with a shitty product. You have to put things into production to identify how to improve them. Without that study and understanding you're doing no more than guessing."
Agreed. But equally this class of problem is very old hat. It really should not be a surprise to anyone.
Re: The CLOUD brought down by a single NIC card?
"One would have thought that the people building the CLOUD would have designed in such failure detection from the beginning. What effect would failure of component X have on the system-wide performance etc."
Detecting sub-optimal performance can be tricky. In the example given the NIC appears to still be passing traffic, so it hasn't failed as such - it's just slow. Perhaps the sink for the data isn't keeping up so flow-control is throttling the data rate, or perhaps the auto-negotiation is picking the wrong value, or maybe segment congestion is killing the throughput, it could be starved of memory bandwidth etc.
If you choose to apply a simple threshold, what value do you pick for the threshold ? How do you account for averaging effect of legitimate idle periods or segment congestion on the measured throughput ?
Then if you decide to blacklist that component instead of tolerating it's degraded performance what will happen when you redirect that traffic via another set of components ? Sometimes (actually quite often in practice) fail-over can cause components to degrade or fail because they are suddenly deluged with extra work.
Some times fail-over is a very costly process in itself (state transfer, sync etc) so the time & space resources expended during the fail-over can actually outweigh the potential savings from blacklisting a degraded component.
It's nice to see folks trying to quantify this stuff, I just hope they're doing something new rather than repeating the distributed systems research done in the 50s/60s/70s/80s.
I suspect they are simply repeating research because they think the word 'Cloud' somehow changes all the rules of distributed computing... Either way I'm sure they'll be rewarded for a new buzzword that will give warm fuzzies to ignorant salesmen, fanbois and execs.
Re: Seems to be no problem in the US
I'm not going to argue with the Coroner on the merits of this case (that's his job anyway) - but VW did recall a number of vehicles with their 6 speed DGS transmission because occasionally they would lose drive as the car accelerated. There are a few reports of people losing drive while joining major roads - in a number of cases narrowly avoiding getting T-boned...
That truck must have struck that vehicle pretty hard to kill the occupant, so I do wonder what the fuck the truck driver was doing to cause him to fail to notice the car in front slowing down/stopping.
Re: Let the whining
Far from it... It looks like a nifty bit of work from the teeny amount of info I've managed to dig up on it.
Actually I do have a whine: I'd like to know a bit more about what vulnerabilities were exploited to get it installed...
I doubt that the stories about the NSA working with vendors to establish backdoors would have helped their sales in China much either.
Re: Funny thing
"82 million Germans get surveilled: no reaction"
Well, no reaction from the ruling classes because that is something they want to happen to other people (they have important secrets that are much more important than the secrets held by ordinary proles^Wcitizens).
"Merkel get surveilled: great outcry"
As a German citizen, she should feel happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with her fellow citizens.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
Re: Basically, another bloody version
"Since IE9 I've actually found myself sticking up for Internet Explorer, because it really has turned into a fairly decent modern browser, but fucking hell they're making it difficult for me."
Brave man ! You know that you are doomed in the long run, right ? :)
Gimp mask because your cause seems to be an exercise in masochism rather than standing up for fair play, you clearly like pain.
Re: @ Roo. You mean Obama don't you.
"The officials who provide oversight over this whole mass surveillance shebang really need to be investigated themselves."
No, I don't mean Obama, I'm not really sure how you came to that conclusion... Like or not this stuff didn't start on his watch... I was referring to the various committees, judges etc that are meant to establish the rules and laws which the spooks operate under, monitor their behaviour and enforce sanctions should they fail to comply with the rules/laws.
Re: GM Foods
"> You can't stop invasive plants spreading across Britain, so you can't stop invasive GM plants either.
Is there a need? Won't these plants just die on their arse when challenged by the natural variety in their usual habitat?"
I wouldn't bet my house on that, especially if the GM variety is specifically engineered to be more resistant to a pests/diseases and pesticides. Of course if the variety is also engineered to grow faster or yield more heavily the chances are it will starve the native species of sunlight. This kind of thing happens already with varieties bred by more traditional methods.
"He *claimed* that, but his actual observation is simply that they aren't talking as much as they used to."
Remember, for that kind of role you need absolutely zero education or competence at stuff like gathering evidence, assessing it and drawing conclusions from it. In fact the folks who pay no attention to inconvenient stuff like facts and reality tend to do better at gaining those positions because they are able to tell people what they want to hear.
Ray McGovern has written about this lack of care and attention to reality on the part of intelligence officials and their overseers over in Leftpondia for several years now. The same seems to apply in Rightpondia as well judging by the rubbish we see the state owned media (aka BBC) parroting at the moment,
Re: FLOSS nutter -- @Dave 126
Fair play to you vagabondo. :)
Re: Only got themselves to blame..
"I'm struggling to feel any sympathy to his co-workers, but is anyone really surprised that even in the NSA people don't quite get the importance of credentials being private?"
The officials who provide oversight over this whole mass surveillance shebang really need to be investigated themselves. Snowden did all this stuff on their watch, and it has shown that their oversight of these operations has been opaque, inadequate and ineffective.
If they had any sense of duty to the nation they would be working hard to fix the lack of oversight that led to Snowden gaining access to this stuff just by asking people for their credentials, instead of wasting valuable time vilifying Snowden.
I do wonder if any of those cretins have actually considered the possibility that if Snowden could get this info so easily in such a short period of time, then perhaps the angry blow shit up type terrorists already took that same information (and more) several times over.
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