* Posts by Scorchio!!

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Jailed LulzSec hacker Cleary coughs to child porn images, will be freed soon

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" it became meaningless due to inconsistency of use and was dropped stateside in DSM-V last year"

That said, the DSM has been cock and bull stories for some decades now. Not that I'm particularly anti US, I have difficulty seeing why the hell we should follow them in this and many other instances. I tentatively feel the ICD is closer to reality.

It is worth noting that there is always a problem with the consistency of application in respect of many diagnostic categories; read Rosenhahn 'On being sane in insane places' (I don't take his extreme views mind) and the irrational application of the diagnosis 'schizophrenia'. Then there was the vile 'Munchausen by proxy' diagnosis so beloved of idiots over here, which led to many innocent parents being locked away and/or their kids being carted off by PC social workers and quacks who might benefit from the application of a cattle to the cranium, due to suffering a severe case of recto-cranial inversion.

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Re: Under UK Law

"So not even nuking it from orbit will help?"

"It's the only way to be sure"!

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Re: @DrXym - Should be minimum sentencing guidelines for this sort of thing

">> "Define "kiddy porn"."

> I don't need to, the law does

Yes, like the law that gave use the "Dangerous Cartoons Act""

Had had images of penetrative sex on his HD. Your inability to accept this does not surprise me much though.

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Re: @Steven Roper

"So Cleary possessed 58 images that depicted ' penetrative sexual activity between children and adults' ."

The truth has seldom been allowed to taint thoughts from the Lulzec/anonymous/Assange group of camp followers. Expect down votes from flocks of supporters, parked right now on the telegraph lines.

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Re: Should be minimum sentencing guidelines for this sort of thing

"Define "kiddy porn".

Because thanks to knee-jerking witch-burners like you, "kiddy porn" could be anything from an innocent photo of one's infant daughter playing in the bath, to a drawing of two stick figures, one larger than the other, standing too close together for comfort with a line in the wrong place."

Possibly so (though you don't cite any data to support your claims), but "more than 50 were at level four, the second highest level of seriousness".

It should come as no suprise. Offenders tend to do more than one type of crime other than the index offence, and I think that there may now be just a glimmering to suggest that IT offenders may tend to commit sexual offences. Watch this space for more on that story.

Yes, maybe we should keep hackers in the clink for YEARS, mulls EU

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Re: Ya think?

"Will Blighty ever get in touch with proper punishment for digital crimes? So far they have just given hackers and pirates free reign. It's time the world apply a uniform mandatory minimum punishment as Japan has with 2 years in prison for pirates and 10 years for hackers along with high fines."

As you will have seen there are people here who deploy non sequitur arguments to draw attention away from the crimes under discussion, and appear to think that they are not crimes. It's partly a hangover from the old days when we really did police ourselves, when a UDP (Usenet death penalty) really did mean what it said, when the spam blackhole really was a black hole, and small furry creatures from alpha centauri really were small furry creatures from alpha centauri (I must play the MP3s again tonight).

There are still people who believe that digital stays digital ("starts online, stays online"), that crimes committed using a digital->terrestrial interface are in fact just jolly pranks for which no sentence should be applied. They probably have acne, BO, dream of losing their virginity, and have no conception of the massive heist that is being performed daily on artists' incomes by people who download MP3s, believing it to be their right. Certainly, St Jules believes that he should be interviewed online by the Swedish police, and there are other erroneous views on RL that he holds about, say, Afghan informants and the disclosure of their locations (via his publications) to the Taliban. I bet he'd shit himself if they were after him, but Assange's brain evidently does not do quid pro quo, witness his imbroglio with a publisher whose money he felt free to keep, revealing a lot about him and his view of the basis of rule following in human relationships.

That the online world has expanded beyond Usenet, Compuserve/AOL fora (spit), bulletin boards and the like has evidently either escaped the attention of some, or they perhaps don't understand what meat space means. These evidently do not philosophise in the world in which they draw their pay, and still think this is an electronic village that is entirely separate from RL. That said, I remember shuddering with displeasure when someone in a Usenet news group said that the Web was going to be turned into a business park. I didn't want the invasion... ...but now, well I bought my house through the web, have done a lot of research through the web, buy music, clothes, blue ray discs [...] almost everything I reckon. The net is now a place of transactions, commercial, military and social, just as with anywhere.

Thus the net is now unfortunately and irrevocably a part of RL; laws from the land of meat space apply, no matter how many spotty, juvenile delinquents argue otherwise and, yes, there will be punishments, there will be tears, no matter how many people have temper tantrums, pound their keyboards in petty rage, and it will continue until the selfish generation of net users that don't like rules and point to the bankers saying 'look at them I want to get away with it too', have been replaced by those who grew up from day 1 with the net, and manage to learn, internalise and apply the rules governing social behaviour supplied to them by teachers and responsible parents (from which St Jules apparently did not benefit during his formative years)... ...meanwhile that sub population that does not learn the rules governing other regarding conduct, those who like their off line contemporaries in offending do not (to quote Cleckley) 'profit from experience' due perhaps to frontal lobe deficits, they will develop criminal careers/offending profiles over which they will snigger with their contemporaries, expressing resentment at 'the man', whilst others look on failing to see anything funny at all, and nothing meriting resentment; this was not society's fault, but the fault of the offender.

It is a matter of sadness that career criminals do not seem to learn, that they lose so much of their freedom inside, that they make jokes out of it and play this silly game, while the immature look to them as 'role models'. To them, welcome to RL, where prison is not a matter of losing your interwebs access.

Techies finger Bradley Manning for US secret files database breach

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Re: Always Great

Oh the argumentum ad hominem, it solves all problems, doesn't it? The nuclear option of debate.

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It made me laugh to see how many down votes you have picked up, given that you have merely cited facts.

NATO defence ministers agree: This cyber business is very serious

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Re: Cyber...

Thank you to both you and the OP... ...always remembering of course the Sci-fi origins of the term, but it does piss me off intensely, especially when I hear BBC drones coming out with lines about 'getting lost in cyberspace'; FFS, the conflation of two science fiction themes lacking only a faux robot screeching "warning, warning".

I want my licence fee back now!

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Re: Protect NATO's own systems?

Oh tell me about it. In the early 1990s Demon Internet's customer and other confidential data used to be kept only on servers that were completely isolated from the net (the main reason why I used them), which is the ultimate firewall though it does not give protection from sneakernet and there is the inevitable problem of how to update security software. In some more complex and older systems there is always the difficulty of that little bit that no one thought of, or somehow became connected by someone for some arcane and now lost or obscured reason.

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Re: Astounding!

I've often wondered how they are recruited. At least Al Haig was a former NATO general. At such moments I always remember George Orwell's words:

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

(Allegedly)

Men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilised, are there to guard and feed them.

(From his essay on Kipling)

Ecuador: Let's talk about not having Julian Assange on our sofa

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Re: I hope he dies of old age in that little embassy room.

I wonder if St Jules arranged to have a Wikileaks Pension Plan.

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Re: Good thing Julian's not in jail......

You missed out one thing; Bubba!

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Re: Charge?Charge?We don need no streaking charge!

Ah yes, the Julian Assange we don't need meat space, do it online argument; first, Assange fled Sweden after his counsel informed him that the Swedish police wanted to interview Assange and charge him (that is to say, Assange has already fled a jurisdiction where his flesh is required), subject to the answers he gave; secondly, interviewing is always done on the territory of the body whose laws have allegedly been flouted, finally, non verbal behaviour is extremely important in interviews, which are a dynamic and flexible affair, and much of it is lost in video links, partly due to the resolution, partly due to the lag, and partly due to the size of the window; indeed, when people are interviewed the exude stress hormones that give them away.

For more on the interview process and the subtleties involved I recommend you read PACE.

Digital interviewing may be alright for geeks, but not for the legal process.

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Re: Evidence that the US wants to arrest Assange

"> Why do you assume that the US does want him?

Maybe on the basis of the evidence?

"It seems strange to me that so many commenters here are talking about this as mere speculation."

That's because you have not acquainted yourself with the facts; under the EAW he cannot be extradited from Sweden (whence he fled prior to the obligatory interview that in Sweden precedes being charged and arrested) to the US without prior permission from the UK; neither the UK nor Sweden will allow extradition to a country likely to inflict capital punishment on a suspect if found guilty of a capital offence in the would-be extraditing state and, besides all of the fantasy island crap that is peddled here, the UK is a far easier avenue for extradition to the US than Sweden, precisely because the Labour government agreed a treaty with the US that makes it difficult to resist their demands. Moreover, the Swedes have said that they will forego the EAW and their right to charge him if the US wants first fuck.

Thus, and putting it shortly, no the US cannot extradite him from Sweden if their EAW is successfully applied, and Jules is an easy lay from the UK.

Finally, the US do not yet have sufficient evidence to deal with Assange. Rest assured, you will know about it when they think they have; either because they'll trumpet it, or because someone will 'leak' it. Otherwise, there is a difference between informed and uninformed speculation. The latter tends to predominate where Assange is concerned.

HTH. HAVND.

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One small correction, not Swiss, Swedish.

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Re: One solution

Ah, poor old Georgy Markhov. That was a terrible fate, and the parent state of the USSR continues to assassinate journalists and others of whom their leader Putin, grandson of Stalin's cook, disapproves.

Hitchhikers' Guide was WRONG, Earth is not in a galactic backwater

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Re: Sorry, obligatory "Dimension Of Miracles" quote:-

"This is the voice of the Mysterons, we know you can hear us Earthlings [...]"

Hammond pleads guilty to Stratfor hack: 'It's a relief'

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Re: This is a sign of a system that is in dire need of reform.

Jesus, what a pile of manic, childish suppositions:

"The Chancellor said there are particular savings to be made in the justice department, within the court service and probation. Asked about plans for further involvement of companies in running Britain's courts, Mr Osborne said he had no plans to "privatise" the judicial system.

He said cutting back on printed paper would be one way of saving money in the justice system.

Mr Osborne toured the television studios to set out his success in persuading departments to make cuts after reports of a number of Cabinet ministers resisting his demands."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/spending-review/10083456/George-Osborne-confident-cuts-will-come-from-Whitehall-not-taxes-or-benefits.html

Sheesh.

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Re: This is a sign of a system that is in dire need of reform.

"Pretty soon, if the tories get their way the UK's justice system will be privatised."

Pay more attention to the text rather than the headlines; interviewed on Radio 4's PM programme the other day the Tory spokesman made it clear that this is not their quest, nor indeed if you consider it, would this be possible. The spokesman pointed out that more than a million documents are printed out in a day by the CJS, and that in a time of digital excellence we should be using electronic documents; this would not merely cut costs but, done properly, cut damage to the environment. This is one of the areas under review, and I would have thought that even the most politically correct reader of the Register would have agreed that such waste and damage to the environment should be cut.

Sure, people who want to use the argumentum ad hominem and smear them by means of misinformation, such as your claim that they want to privatise the CJS, have set a hare running, but no more than that. It is a hallmark of statehood that the means to control and administer violence and justice remain in the hands of the executive and the legislature (control of the military being the domain of appropriate ministers), not in commerce. This is classic political philosophy and is uncontested in the three main parties, no matter how scare setters wish to misinform.

WikiLeaks party flirts with Oz law by taking Bitcoin gifts

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Re: What would you expect?

""These folks" being? The Australian libertarians, the Wikileaks party, Bitcoin users, the AEC? Exactly whom are you attempting to defame here?

Or perhaps by "these folks" you mean people who go out of their way to remain anonymous whilst simultaneously attempting to sway others' opinions? If that's what you mean, I think I'm beginning to see your point..."

No, you do not. To begin with the right to anonymity in political pamphleting are a part of the US constitution, and the right to vote without disclosing whom you voted for are similarly sacrosanct, just like the holding of political and other beliefs remain the private property of the individual, though thought crime and the use of conditioning sessions (diversity education as a tool to implement and protect Labour's clandestine immigration programme, which was at odds with their manifesto commitment and thus contract with the nation).

Thus anonymity and politics have a perfectly respectable history, even if the US can arguably be described as having in some respects departed from the path and constitution/constitutional rights laid down by the founding fathers, including as they do the right to anonymity in political pamphleteering to which you evidently take exception.

It is, on the other hand, an important part of the regulation of political parties and their financing that donors above a certain size of donation have to be declared publicly. This gives the public the right to voice concerns, it gives them confidence in the political system. Similarly, donations are not permitted above a certain ceiling or cap, for the precise reason that political parties can be bought (see my point concerning the disclosure of rich donors) by rich individuals, or by dint of many individuals coming together and taking over a party, or branch of it. The recent scandal of the Tower Hamlets branch of the Labour party is an example; it is, you may be pleased to hear, in 'special measures', something which would happen if the Trotskyite SWP tried to again take over the Labour party, as happened before and during Neil Kinnock's time as leader.

Anonymous detractors? No, they are not a problem and are rightfully enshrined in the the US constitution; they might even in a mature German constitution have contributed to keeping Schickelgrüber out of power. Furthermore, a mature democracy with mature, confident political parties should more than welcome anonymous criticism, but also be able to withstand it by merely pointing to the truth because, at the end of the day, the truth is its own best defence. Your remarks are of the 'we must protect the children' variety.

People have a right to anonymously criticise and pamphleteer, both in the US and the UK as well as many other democratic countries, for precisely the reason that they are afforded the ability to without fear level just and valid criticisms at parties such as, e.g., the BNP and prevent them from gaining sufficient seats as would enable them to inflict themselves on the like of me; you? About you I do not care, precisely because of your evidently undemocratic, intemperate attitude to democracy that would expose those who do not feel safe in criticising extremists.

Besides any of which you are as far as I am concerned anonymous. I don't know you and I do not know if you are using your meatspace name. Thus, from the perspectives of the classic criticisms from the history of political thought that I have levelled at you, your remarks are weak and do not pay attention to the truths, the things in themselves and are, rather, a form of argumentum ad hominem, particularly the 'defame' remark. We've seen all about Assange's criminal record on 17 counts, and there is little doubt that the material in Wikileaks' possession was not handed over voluntarily by the bodies from whom it was taken, nice though your volte-face was.

Wikileaks was founded by a convicted criminal (Domscheidt excepted, and he left Assange do note), convicted on 17 counts. The man went through the Pentagon's air force computers, Australian corporate computers, university computers, and even went through the computers of the police unit investigating him. There is much else to be said about Assange that is unpleasant, including his recent attempt at gaining $1 million for an interview, the pay wall saga, his 80,000 salary (how 'charitable' of him), the sum he took from a publisher for having his story printed, subsequently withdrawing from the process but not returning the money whilst saying the company had no right to print. Oh yes, Wikileaks, founded on 100% pure ethics. No criminals here, uhuh. The lack of supervision, the high handed way he purportedly deals with his 'staff', the lack of protection when he exposed the GPS data on Afghan informants and his cavalier attitude to them, these are the sorts of things that I would expect when a convicted criminal sets up shop as a journalist with moral pretensions.

HTH.

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"Just get everyone to donate a maximum of $12 099.99. Problem solved."

The point about such restrictions in a democratic system is to prevent unfair competition. The Freetards and others of that ilk seem to believe that everything offline can be dispensed with, including police interviews of suspects, and now it seems donations... ...with the added exception, namely that digital donations are exempt from, oh, let's see, the regulations capping donations to political parties, income tax, legal investigations where tax dodging and even donations to terrorists are concerned, not that I am saying this list overlaps the current discussion, but it does illustrate the extent to which such contorted thinking goes. It is analogous to debates in theology; was Jesus here or only in seeming? The debate centres on the transfer of energy from an immaterial body to the corporeal, which under the principle of the conservation of energy cannot be so.

If it interacts with the material it is material; similarly, if you interact via the digital medium with things in flesh space, then you are subject to the laws in flesh space, and that includes the ceiling or cap imposed on donations to political parties of all kinds. Otherwise that way lies the sorts of troubles that have dotted political history, especially where the minority impose a tyranny on the majority.

BBC suspends CTO after £100m is wasted on doomed IT system

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Re: I suspect it's a diversionary tactic

"(there's a reason why their colour scheme is predominantly red).

...and BBC 3's colour scheme is predominantly pink *innocent face*."

Some wag recently said they ought to be named the 'PBC'.

Wikileaks leaks documentary script about Wikileaks

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Let me help people who read your comments by posting this link:

http://m.perthnow.com.au/technology/wikileaks-critiques-we-steal-secrets-documentary/story-fnhod56e-1226650317461

Remember his proposed 'paywall' facility? The substantial advance for his book, from which he withdrew claiming the publishers had no right to go ahead with it, in spite of the advance? There are other sums to consider, including his salary which is of eye watering proportions.

Even if he ever had good intentions - and his conviction on some 17 counts in Australia says to me otherwise - he lost them the minute he became greedier.

Pirate Party wins seats in Icelandic election

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Re: What exactly do they think they are going to change?

"A large chunk of her work was agreed with all of the parties in the parliament which is generally more consensual than the nightmare at Westminster."

The nightmare at Westminster arises from having a population way in excess of 61 millions (and soon to be 70 millions, owing the bizarre desire of ToniBliar to 'spite the right', whilst paying no attention to thee and I, aka the electorate). Such large populations generate opposition of the sort that makes consensus difficult to arrange and manage.

Iceland's population, according to the CIA's world factbook, is 315,281 (July 2013 est.) ( https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html ). Consensus on such a small scale, in such a homogeneous population, is far easier to arrange; the electorate is smaller, each 'seat' is comprised of fewer people, the culture of Iceland is relatively as contiguous and unbroken as the ethnic/national-geographical boundaries, and so on. Given that we now have a heterogeneous and very dense population it is far more difficult in the UK. The difference could not be more complete, especially since the large government's aims seemed largely oriented at exaggerating these and setting one group against another.

As an ex soldier I maintain a healthy dislike of politicians and would happily shoot most of the last government, whose misdeeds have left a legacy that may not go before the middle of this century.

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Re: What exactly do they think they are going to change?

"That is real democracy, though not the kind of lip service one we have here in th UK."

Just because your pet notions do not get through does not mean that our democracy is a 'lip service' democracy. As Plato himself admitted, democracy is a compromise, the least worst of all options. Not everyone gets what they want, and those who don't claim that there is no democracy. That is, until they live in somewhere like the former USSR, in Belarus, in the new sham democracy of Russia, Iran, China, and such like. That is when they wake up a little, and a great pity too that Red Ken Livingstone and Red Arthur Scargill did not take up the option of living in the USSR whilst it existed, rather than using the UK as their toilet.

Court orders Visa partner to allow donations to WikiLeaks

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Re: Ever seen one of those movies showing a modern capital-neo-fascist (world) society...

"And congratulations WiKiLeaks!

To me you are among the REAL pillars of democracy!"

Really? What, pray, is their constituency and when did they last stand for election?

These people are self appointed, and the money trail that leads back to St Julie says much.

New poll says Assange could win Australian Senate seat

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Re: can someone wanted for international crimes

"Sure, after all he's not been convicted for anything."

That is not in the strictest sense true, although I do understand the sentiment behind your remarks.

Julian Assange is indeed a convict; he was in the 1990s Assange convicted (by a judge in his home country) on about 17 counts for breaking and entering a variety of government computers at home and abroad, including a Pentagon Air Force computer and, most comically, the police computers in Australia used by the police team... ...at that very point investigating him.

He was given the most risible of 'sentences' - effectively let off - and told that another conviction would almost certainly involve gaol time. Hence, I assume, his hands off policy and use of third parties in the process of building his 'library' of information. However, this is the very area on which the US authorities are focusing their investigations; how involved was Assange in the collection of classified information belonging to the US state? Unless and until they can demonstrate a strong case it would seem that the US is unwilling to be involved with the Assange case. They seem to have a strong desire to bide their time, until they are able to convincingly and overwhelmingly deal with the man. Given the current climate of 'hacking' by other nation states and loose cannons, it is unsurprising that the US government wants to deal with such people.

US government caution this time around is no mystery; Colin Powell's presentation at the UN, in building the case for military intervention, was at best egregious and weak. That they refused to enter the chamber until UN authorities covered over Picasso's painting 'Guernica' worried me and, after Fallujah and the use of white phosophorous, this is most unsurprising.

As to Manning himself - given a feeble warchest by Assange, and effectively left to rot - he is a soldier, he signed a declaration of fealty and recognising that releasing state secrets will result in prosecution; Manning took advantage of poor security - the fools whose workstations he raped actually wrote their passwords on post it notes and stuck them to their monitors, leaving these even when unattended - and dumped everything that he could into the waiting arms of St Jules, or so it would seem.

The tin foil brigade have gone to great lengths to demonstrate US involvement in Assange's life, but it seems hardly necessary as the shrapnel has fallen out from a variety of compartments. To them, this link: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

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Re: g e So. As an Aussie senator

He'd get something, but it would be something for which he had not bargained, I do believe.

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Old Aussie jokes' "G'day Sheila, d'ya fancy a fark?" "Not until I met you ya sweet talkin' bastard!" and "G'day Sheila, d'ya fancy a fark? No? Would ya mind lyin' down while I have one?"

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Re: So. As an Aussie senator

Hello, on this planet we have oxygen. What do you breathe on your planet?

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Re: He'll never make it to polititian...

Ah, another one with a crystal ball. Don't forget to wrap your head up with tin foil when you rise.

Bitcoin gets a $100 haircut on rollercoaster trading run

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...and after that my lord, we are going to extract the sunlight from excrement in order to give chavs suntans... ...oh, but wait....

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Re: 'tarded

Too many people have placed too much emphasis on 'the net' as an alternative to meat space, this is one example, and Assange's rambling 'theory' (perhaps I should not grace it as such) of politics and democracy is another. Quite a few other online bubbles have burst and, as someone else has pointed out this has much in common with the Tulip bubble, the South Sea Bubble, and so on. A few years back the 'dot com boom' crashed and the zombie business were culled. This is going to be worth watching, not least because the banks have been offering their own alternatives.

When I heard someone say a few days ago that this one is rock solid, immune to the travails of the outside world, I sat upright. Why? Because I'd heard the very sort of thing that I would expect to hear when something goes wrong.

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Re: D'Oh!

Oh noes! The money tree is broken, and this one was going to work!

Maggie Thatcher: The Iron Lady who saved us from drab Post Office mobes

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Re: Before anyone moans about her...

Let's not forget the Labour manifesto commitment that "Every country must have firm control over immigration and Britain is no exception.". Subsequently, and apparently in order to "spite the right", they clandestinely imported millions of people into the UK, resulting a rapid rise in agricultural water abstraction rates from rivers, when we only grow about 60% of our food, when we already had a housing shortage, when we faced a separate influx of people from new EU accessions, when we faced an energy shortage that is now beginning to bite, at a time when we have reached peak phosphate/fertilizer (see food and note that for the first time in a long time, due to population increase and weather, we didn't export grain this winter) [...]

There are many other things that could be mentioned, including the sale of 66% of treasury reserve gold, when the price was at a 20 year low, in bulk, announcing it in advance (thus betraying complete ignorance of the markets); investment of billions into white elephant projects that faltered and then failed; passing volumes of red tape legislation that has tied down the economic and cultural life in a manner not unlike Gulliver in Lilliput... ...all the while they lied about their intentions and what they where doing, and the lies of Eric Byers and his special adviser (good day to bury bad news) on the matter of Rover's impending crash, as conveyed to him by the head of BMW who said that it was 'quarter to midnight', were symptomatic of these creatures, for whom I once (and only once) mistakenly voted.

These people left us with the biggest peacetime national debt, something which I didn't think possible given that I thought they'd learned the lesson of the 1970s, when they had to call in the IMF and thus left Thatcher the task of clearing up their tawdry mess. Already the process of forgetting what the Labour party left behind last time has begun, so I am unsurprised that people have forgotten what they left behind them in 1979.

The last government was mendacious, incompetent and seemingly wedded to a philosophy of political correctness which, in their attempts to inflict it on the 'right', has hurt the electorate. These people defy even my ability to wield adjectives, even more so than during the last Conservative government.

As a very accomplished rock poet once said, "there is no longer any one to vote for, only people to vote against".

Swedish judge explains big obstacles to US Assange extradition

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Re: if you are on the wrong side of them, i would expect it pays to be very cautious

"It's interesting that you seek to categorise people by racial or other 'group' attribute rather than by country. After all, all Arabs are the same, aren't they? Well, no actually. Some Arab countries are far better than others. Just the same as not all western countries are the same."

I forgot to address this point. I referred word by word to the original words of the OP, which were:

"[...] (Arabs, Chinese, et. al.) [...]"

I find it interesting that you chose to focus on my iteration of his words and that I addressed them directly, took them at face value, and I am allowing myself the luxury of a deliberation here, that is to say that this part of your response was sophistry, or that you failed to read the OPs words fully.

Furthermore, I don't think that some Arab countries are better than others, nor the implicit, underlying rationale. I think that Arab governments may vary as a function of reform, and I think that an intrinsic part of that reform is absent - that is to say, Islam has not undergone a reform comparable to that undergone by the Catholic church - and I do not typify a people by their government. This would be short sighted, since most Arab governments are the descendants of a causal chain going back to way before the days when Islam burst out of the desert, overturned, displaced and destroyed Christian countries (in the country where the original Aramaic prayers and hymns are still sung and can be recognised by western Christians [of which, being an atheist, I am not one] the majority religion is Islam), then reaching out to as far as Italy, Greece, Spain, with white slavers going as far as the Scandinavian countries), inspiring a reflexive action now known as the Crusades and misunderstood, wrongly portrayed as a form of colonialism and barbarism.

Arab countries? Please, do lay off the over simplifications. They are for people who employ specious logic, like Harriet Harman, who said that it hasn't been demonstrated that men are necessary in families, and that they ought not to be let into classrooms for fear that they might abuse children. Looking in only one direction for a source of growth, nurture and education on the one hand, and for a source of abuse on the other. False dichotomies and specious logic lead us to where we (particularly St. Jules) are now.

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Re: if you are on the wrong side of them, i would expect it pays to be very cautious

"He's simply talking about the perception that other people have of the US. He's not saying he agrees, or even that it's justified. He's just saying they don't trust or like the US. The US is rapidly getting a name as the bully boy of the world. You do what they say, when they say or else..........."

What matters is the quote, "it is becoming increasingly easier":

"While I currently have no issue with US foreign policy, it is becoming increasingly easier to see why a lot of people (Arabs, Chinese, et. al.) distrust the US Government."

You will have noticed my reference to Tibet, which country the Chinese invaded in 1951 (that is to say, for some 62 years of 'increasing ease', to say nothing of the Uigur, the cultural revolution and so much more) and have been, more recently, raping and subjugating in a manner more appropriate to the middle east. A passing reference to the human rights of protesters in the PRC, including the 1989 Tienenman square massacre (Tienenman translates to Gate of Heavenly Peace no less!), Ai Weiwei (but let's not fixate on him alone, and bear in mind that he is the tip of a grisly iceberg) and such is necessary here.

Otherwise it would seem to me from your comments that you are trying to read the mental acts and state of another poster, something that is very unwise, as reading mental acts and states is beyond the most proficient of psychiatric/psychology practitioners, beyond mere inference from analogy, which is very dangerous outside of 8 weeks of psychiatric assessment.

As far as the US is concerned, the latest president is making up for past offences, but I see no evidence of this on the part of Russian, Chinese and Arab governments. The Russian involvements across the Caucasus make Iraq - itself a good example of illegal behaviour - seem pedestrian. The shelling and destruction of Grozny is one example, and the political murder rate of Russian journalists (and other prominent figures, at home and abroad) such as Anna Politkovskya should snap people out of their complacency, but no, they pick on the more easily accessible, less frequent data, rather than the unending nightmare of the former USS, which is ruled by the grandson of Stalin's cook, who appears to be attempting a rehabilitation of this foul murderer and torturer of innocent people. Treatment of internal ethnic minorities such as the Kurds and people from Balochistan by, e.g., Iran and Turkey too (Kurdistan is I believe situated across 4 to 5 other existing states/legal entities), is another example, and I could type line after line (how about Bahrain?) highlighting the disparity between what you and others would have me believe - that the US is the sole or leading practitioner of such bad, egregious, criminal and vile behaviour (it is far from that if you had bothered to read around, merely looking at Grozny, or perhaps the assassination of General Dudyev who was ironically the Soviet's best chance of genuine peace) - and I am certain that you would turn a 'blind eye' to the truth. Hence my mixed use of irony and sarcasm which, judging from your response, has not dented your carapace. That is to say, not fully; apperception appears to be lacking, if inference by analogy from your typographical responding is a fair judge.

It's a subject that I studied, both as a soldier and as an undergraduate. I was taught to see past the throwaway lines such as those I quoted, and I still do see past them. Whatever you may wish to say about the US, put it to one side and open your eyes FGS. Look at the practise of state sponsored terrorism (Gaddafi), assassination, war and wars by proxy effected by many states other than the USA. Don't stick with the easy, populist, processed cheese variety of example. Do some hard thinking, innovative even. You'll arrive at a point closer to the truth

HTH.

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"It's not that Julian Assange is paranoid for assuming he'll be extradited to the US from Sweden

It's that the Swedish government has the power at any time to assure all including Assange that his return to Sweden to investigate a sex allegation will not result in extradition on current jurisdiction-less Wikileaks"

Nonsense; no government on the face of this earth has such a power, if only because it is in principle possible that any individual - including Assange - could in principle have committed any serious crime meriting extradition. It would require the sort of reasoning learned by one Harman, H, in the upper 6th to claim otherwise.

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Re: if you are on the wrong side of them, i would expect it pays to be very cautious

"While I currently have no issue with US foreign policy, it is becoming increasingly easier to see why a lot of people (Arabs, Chinese, et. al.) distrust the US Government."

Oh yes indeed. I can see your point, the human rights and legal/justice records of Chinese and Arab governments are impeccable. The Arabs are so well known for their benign treatment of women who have been raped, and never execute them for this heinous crime! As to the Chinese, it is well known that their administration of justice in the cause of human rights, especially where the Tibetans are concerned, is impeccable, a byword in modern human rights and legal standards, one to which the Americans should readily aspire.

Thank your for your most erudite contribution on this important point on human rights and the equal administration of human rights, which is so moot and welcome at this critical stage in the proceedings.

I will carry your words of wisdom and fairness with me to the grave, as will I am sure the Ecuadorian government and, indeed, even Julian Assange, whose pronouncements on the status of Afghan informants in respect of attacks by those so very humane administrators of justice and human rights, the Taliban, is so very close to the heart of every human rights organisation.

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Re: Laws won't stop the US

"That doesnt make any sense. What identical law are they passing that Julian alegedly broke?"

To say nothing of the fact that retrospective legislation is not permissible in western democracies; the former USSR, certain Islamic and Latin American countries, yes.

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Re: THE HONEY TRAP @AC 8:15

""By now, Assange really *deserves* a prolonged stay with a cell mate named Bubba."

No, that should be a punishment reserved for Child mollesters and rapists..."

And the offences that Assange is alleged to have committed in Sweden are...?

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Re: Guarantee from Sweden

"Even if an offender is locked up for a bail breach, they'll probably be out in 1-2 days. Jails are overfull, don'chanknow?"

It depends on the sort of offence; crimes of violence, including sex crimes, are treated differently to TDA, shoplifting and the like. That's because they are serious.

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Re: THE HONEY TRAP

"Whatever else he has done, he has now broken enough laws that him NOT landing in jail would be a total travesty of justice. By now, Assange really *deserves* a prolonged stay with a cell mate named Bubba."

Indeed, not so much as a honey trap as a honey moon! ;->

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Re: THE HONEY TRAP

This man is now a criminal, inasmuch that he has broken UK law and skipped bail; it was forecast, he was marked as at risk of absconding again, that is he absconded from Sweden after his lawyer had been told that the police there wanted to interview him prior to pressing charges, as is the legal requirement and process in that country. He has attempted and is attempting to abscond again, and I am forced to conclude from his 17 convictions (one case) that this criminal will do anything that he can to avoid facing the processes of criminal law. The last words of the convicting Australian judge were a warning; he would certainly face a spell in gaol in the event of a repeat offence, and indeed this will apply to any further offence of any sort. Such is the course of justice in dealing with criminals.

How can anyone offer such unconditional support, given his history manifestly criminal acts, even accessing the police computers involved in the Australian investigative process involved in uncovering his criminal acts in or around 1997, which included breaking into a Pentagon air force defence computer, breaking into university and telecoms computers in Australia, and a number of other items?

There is no doubt of this man's criminal record, and he merely shines a searchlight on himself by breaking the laws of this country (he skipped bail) and, allegedly, that in Sweden whence he absconded; it is noteworthy that the Swedish bar association were, when I last investigated, to have a word with his lawyer, with whom the police were in contact over this matter; they informed him of their intentions, he disappeared thereafter; the lawyer denied, in open court in the UK having been contacted by the Swedish police, something which he was forced to retract, in open court; I can only conclude that mendacity runs through the defence side, from the defendant through to the Swedish counsel. It would seem that birds of a feather flock together.

Criminals always demonstrate an offending profile, beginning with small offences and working their way up, both as they mature and also as they become more adept, experienced, and unafraid of the consequences of their behavioural acts.

I am still very interested in the relationship he had with a 16 year old girl, whom he successfully inseminated, and the excuses that he was only a few years older do not pass muster. I was very interested to see another glint of light from inside of the defensive armour, namely that his son reports that his mother asserts that his (the son's) behaviour is as problematic as the father. Their choice of words differs, but I cannot recall the precise phraseology.

When this man grows a pair of balls it will end. He will not be deported from Sweden to the US and probably not even from the UK; in any event, under the terms of the EAW the Swedes cannot deport him from their country without prior permission from the UK. Under that logic it is not so much Sweden that is causing him to run, but the UK, and that is demonstrated by his long stay in the Ecuadorian Embassy, the representative body of a country with an execrable record of human rights and an equally execrable record where freedom of expression and the concept of a free press has been all but destroyed.

Oh the contortions of the PC brigade when they fall in love with someone. Oh the excuses that they will swallow from their cherished convicted criminal, and the posturing and excuses they will make.

Utterly childish, mendacious and silly.

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That is correct but, as the judge and many others have pointed out, repeatedly, and over a very long period of time, this does not stop the argument by volume offered by Julie's fwenz.

Bees use 'electrical sixth sense' to nail nectar-stuffed flowers

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Re: Sixth sense?

"Why do people go on about how amazing a sixth sense is?"

Indeed, to say nothing of the fact that sharks use electrical currents to detect prey, as do other sea creatures.

Illicit phone rings in Sri Lankan inmate's back crack

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Re: Any Clues

Excellent reggae tune there... ...perhaps "Wet dream" by Max Romeo ("lie down girl let me push it up, push it up, push it up, lie down..). He might attract a lot of business that way.

OTOH, maybe "La Cucaracha".

Brit mastermind of Anonymous PayPal attack gets 18 months' porridge

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Re: Great...............

"For forcing thousands to change their passwords he was lucky. I would have given him to the american legal system for a corrupt trial and sentence."

Where he would be having a 'bubberly time'. That reminds me, what's the status of St Julian of Mendacity? (Not that I'll be posting again for a while... ...it's not been possible for a month, and may not be for another barring this short interlude; hello downvoters, don't forget to fire up the LOIC and to break out your toy soldier/whatever grabs your attention deficit riddled excuses for brains.)

AssangeTM spins Oz Senate candidacy again

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Re: Assange 2013!!

"Assange™ would certainly feel at home at Berlusconi's "bunga bunga" parties..."

Condoms neither needed nor wanted, go ahead, spray their day. ;->