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Re: Personally Torn
"The ballot box is and has been fixed by the government and it's minions."
Wrong; the ballot box was fixed by the Lib-Dems, who at the expense of the Tories vetoed the findings of the Boundaries Commission.
Otherwise, if you want politics to work, get involved. Tell the 'gummint' what you want, band together with friends, join a political party, start a political party. Politics is not like a trip to the local take away, it takes effort, participation; you don't select number 23 from the 'menu' and expect it to be fulfilled, because in fact there are many thousands who want number 32.
Very often people complain about a government's failure to adopt their pet policy and overlook the fact that it is in direct opposition to the policy espoused by the majority of the population. You have to change minds, and it won't happen overnight; it took a long time for women to get the vote, for women to have property rights, for the laws on rape and homosexuality to be clarified, and so on. It didn't happen overnight or because someone picked a number from the menu. It took effort and, in some cases, people died (like the suffragettes, for example); it is never easy, and you have to participate.
Re: @Scorchio!! - will the plea for clemency fall on deaf ears?
""clemency will only encourage further offending"
The Daily Mail comments page is over there ->"
Actually no, AFAICT no one from that rag would employ the principles of behavioural psychology, in which when an animal (human or otherwise) learns, by proxy/vicariously or by direct learning, that in committing an offence it can 'get away with it', it will compute the odds and behave accordingly. This kind of thinking is behind a great deal of so-called 'cyber crime', especially when the offenders are convinced they are 'anonymous'.
The point underlying my post is that it is not the place of a business or organisation that has been on the wrong end of this kind of offensive behaviour to plea; the point is that others have the right to expect that the law deals with these people appropriately. Clemency can only encourage them. That is the point of law and that is the psychology underlying the law.
If you wish to trawl the Daily Mail comments pages, well fine, but you will not find behavioural psychology there.
As to your remarks taken as a whole, I see the Beano is online; otherwise perhaps a crayon.
"She sounds like a bitch from hell. Steer well clear!"
Always make them sign a pre-nup. No one is going to walk away with my house and toys!
Re: 1.5 mill isn't much
She sho must have a purty payer of jugs.
People Liberation front F*ck off we are the Liberation front of the people... people liberation front Honestly"
Read Tom Sharpe's Wilt, and The Wilt alternative, where you will find the pages covered, nay smeared, in parodies of such idiots. I laughed until the tears ran down my cheeks. For such fools the ballot box holds no attraction, and they know better than you and I, the electorate; we suffer from false consciousness whereas the PLF do not. They know the truth. Hah.
Re: will the plea for clemency fall on deaf ears?
The plea for clemency must fall on deaf ears, because clemency will only encourage further offending, as it did in Assange's case; if you remember Assange was convicted on 17 (or was it 19) counts, and let off with a gentle reprimand and an advisory to the effect that next time he would go to gaol. He made good and sure that he was not caught. So far. For spotty faced obnoxoids who used the LOIC, it should be Tango Sierra. They must pay for what they did, and this has to deter others.
Re: Stupid Idea - always was.
"Why didn't they merge a QL with a Swan Teasmade? Now that would have been much better!"
Ah now, it would have been much better to have merged it with the Goblin Teasmaid. That way one per desk would have made so much more sense!
Re: Looks like a One Per Desk to me
Ah microdrives; it's possible to fill them up too much so that the whole thing falls over. One of the pains of writing a final year dissertation.
"So close to buying a QL.... Wait, is that an 8-bit databus on a 32-bit CPU?"
Yeah, I had a QL and was always amazed at the stupidity of Sinclair for putting an 8 bit bottle neck in it. That man needs a good manager!
As an aside, more than foolishly I bought the QL 'Trump card solution'; with two 720k floppies, and 'Task master' from Sector Software I felt like a king. When the floppies (which were under guarantee and I changed in time) failed, I ran everything from RAM. I can't remember how I hacked it, but when I first booted it up under this arrangement Taskmaster asked 'Are you sure'? It saw me through my B.Sc., and earned me a few bob too.
Re: If you want your private life to remain private
"One day Facebook will be inevitably hacked. Years of user data (wall, history, messages, photos) will be stolen and dumped online. In the future with more cloud storage this data will be duplicated enough that it cannot be taken down."
Ah, Facebook. I remember Facebook. I tried it once, for a very short time. I didn't put anything important or significant on it, and I didn't use my real name. I sacked them. I keep wondering if I should have another go. Then I wake up.
Re: Version 1.0 all your base belong us
Re: all your base belong us
For more than 50 years it has been taught to the appropriate battlefield intelligence operatives that they collect excrement and assess it. For example, if the merde is running freely amongst the majority of the troops, that is evidence that they are anxious and their bodies are mobilised. I'm not sure what solid coprolites mean in battlefield intelligence speak (I didn't do the course), but my modern scientific training indicates this could be due to haemorrhoids, a poor diet, or even the lack of a poor crap hole; when I was desperate for a shit I'd run off to the general's personal crapper and make a deposit; it never smelled bad! So if the Soviet battlefield folk had the job of analysing my general's shit they'd find it necessary to run DNA analyses on the DNA matter left on the outside of each turd, in order to assess if it originated from the same people. Knowing the general's DNA would of course help them to be sure if it was him being anxious/laid back and so on, or me; my turds were always regular, because of using his bog and not worrying about the stink of the communal ones. Ah bliss. ...and I was only ever caught out once, but not by the general.
Re: Version 1.0 all your base belong us
There, you see? You've been marked down because no one liked what you posted. That there is truth in your words is completely irrelevant, for this is the world of imaginary democracy, where espionage was not brought to new heights by Walsingham, and has never been and never will be justified. The modern attitude to intelligence and spying is akin to that prevalent in the western world to the modern sciences after WWII; rather than get their fingers dirty, 'nice' middle class people with education (most of them, e.g.) opted for analytic philosophy, calling it science. They didn't have to wear white coats, they could pontificate and moralise and, best of all, the birds loved them because there's nothing like a pseud if you want to be shagged. Allegedly.
Watch my post attract down votes like merde attracts flies, like magnets attract iron filings, like planets attract inter planetary detritus, like diplomats attract 'informers', like classified information attracts information thieves, like Julian Assange attracts money [...]. C'mon boiz, I'll be disappointed if you don't, and you know it.
Re: 10 years eh...
He'll probably find out on his way out of stir; they'll implant him with a chip, GPS, Wi-Fi RFID and fuck knows what else. He'll spend the rest of his life triggering alarms, being kicked out of what approximates to Cyber Cafes and the rest of it. One day he'll be found on the pavement, twitching; cause of death? Some new kid on the block decides to free him from his incarceration by hacking his electronic 'enhancements' and screws up badly, triggering a massive wave of electrochemical activity in areas normally associated with grand mal fits.
Re: Honestly? Good.
A few years ago someone raped my bank account of about 4,000 stlg, and I went ape shit with the bank. To be fair the bank coughed up, not least because the thief was clearly not white and I clearly am.
This identity theft was only possible because someone had stolen my documents whilst in the post. My attitude to these people is similar to yours, and if the CJS is not prepared to deal with them I want to.
Re: Making Democracy Strong
"[...]This makes you a truly free spirit or person fully able to exercise your democratic right to do what you want without thinking about the little people.
Oh hang on that appears to be more like many of those famous 'democratic people' from history, e.g. Hitler, Franco, Mao, etc.
Oh dear I must have read the page on autocrats not democrats."
Your analysis seems to be on the mark; I think you'll find over each Anon prison camp gate a sign saying "Diebstahl macht frei".
Re: Well...parliament of dictators
""That's right; deter all people but the most psychopathic from standing for election and we'll have a parliament of dictators."
and this is different to the majority of the current occupants of the house...how?"
I am not sure if you want me to dignify your question by responding in the context of the current government, which has inherited the biggest peacetime debt in this country's history, a debt already being formed by a spendthrift government even before we began to experience the worst recession since before WWII...
...however, it is the case that between 1997 and 2010 we had what I sometimes regard as a duopoly; there was little ToniBler and his Giving Tree, and behind him we had Golden McBroon with his Money Tree; the Money Tree operator fed the Giving Tree operator with funds, and everyone thought they were happy! Except of course for the armed forces, who were made to pay for ToniBler's martial adventurism out of the resources they would normally use to maintain a standing army, air force and navy; Golden didn't given give them any money to pay for Toni's wars, which was typical of his something for nothing economics...
...Eventually things went very badly for ToniBler because the electorate were beginning to twig where his policies of military adventurism, clandestine immigration, immigration, immigration and diversity reducation, diversity reducation, diversity reducation were concerned, never mind the fiscal implications of education, education, education and McBroon's selling cheap of 66% of treasury reserve gold when the market was at a 20 year low. See preview here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyDBsMi7WE8&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs (It is a pity that Spitting Image did not last into the 21st century, they would have ripped these gangsters to pieces.)
Thus the 'men in grey suits' spake, saying 'ToniBler 'tis time to leave, whereat ToniBler told the people "you are blessed!". Golden McBroon stepped in but, unfortunately for him, the new man in charge of the Money Tree, Alexander McKissieface, told him there was no money left! McBroon found the ship was headed for the rocks, but no treasury reserve gold to bail him out; you see, McBroon had sold off the gold for a song, announcing it in advance and selling it en bloc, all things which depress the market price; he errrrrupted with anger at McKissieface but alas he was kicked out of orifice, leaving one of his treasury secretaries to write a letter to the incoming Liberal-Democrat machine operator of the now thoroughly broken Money Tree, to the effect that he was 'sorry' but there was 'no money left'.
So the new government had to find money from nowhere. However, if you know of an inexpensive, magical way to eradicate the worst peacetime debt in our history, with some 20 NHS Trusts on the verge of bankruptcy... ...you could form a party of your own! Yes, you could set up and you could sort out the problem with whatever alternative economic strategy you have, other than the fiscal austerity pattern first mooted by McKissieface when he took charge of the broken Money Tree!
Re: Well..."Cull The Tories" I disagree with this one:- why stop there? Cull the lot of 'em...
"I believe UK presidence involves an axeman, the last EU method involved lamp posts"
Not to be a typo or spelling pouncer, but I guess you mean 'precedent'. I suppose that may as well stand, since we've not killed a ruler by virtue of their status as such for hundreds of years.
The EU? Assuming you to mean Europe (because capital punishment isn't to the liking of Euro-luvvies!), I can't remember when they last hung a 'leader', but I do know that Nicolae Ceaușescu and Frau were shot in 1989. It was a pitiful sight, with them demanding to be shot together rather than singly. Having in the past stood against the Soviet invasion of Hungary, having eased press censorship and having offered Dubcek support and an open policy to the west he increasingly let his people and himself down by implementing more autocratic and brutal methods. It would seem that too much 'power' leads to such things, as the case of Mussolini appears to demonstrate...
...Mussolini once led a riot against the Italian war in Libya. He was an author and seemed to be a humane individual but, as we all know, he too became autocratic, inhumane and allied to the most inhumane and brutal regime within living memory. I say within living memory because, for example, the Romans were far more brutal and inhumane. However, along with his mistress Clara Petacci Mussolini was shot then kicked and spat upon, and they were both later hung up by meathooks in a public place...
...something of the kind, though not completely as brutal (I cannot forget the Iraq war) took place in ToniBler's mind.
Whatever, I find myself wondering how it is that people become so brutal, cruel and uncaring, after setting out with ostensibly good intentions.
Re: re: "revolutions are bloody affairs"
"Not always. See the Carnation revolution for one. Granted, I do agree with you about the opportunists ...
"There goes the mob... I must follow them, for I am their leader.""
I was talking this through a couple of years back with a Portuguese acquaintance. We moved from talking of Portugal as England's oldest ally to what happened there, but was it truly a revolution? What is a revolution?
More modern case studies of revolution can be found in the middle east, and they are a warning, as is our past.
We're gradualists in this country, and small wonder. Our two civil wars/revolution spilled much blood, set father and son against one another, mother and son, brothers, daughters... ...one of the reasons why we do not have a food foraging tradition is that these wars marked the last times we had cities under siege, with people eating snails, rats, horse and all of the other delicacies beloved of 'continentals' but mostly not us.
I post on ARRSE.co.uk, where a few years back an ugly rumour began circulating that the New Labour government had begun the process of getting soldiers to sign 'loyalty' documents. This was some time before Blair was booted, because they could see that this wealthy man had been doing things for which they had no mandate and had earned the ire of the electorate.
As the now sadly defunct Clann Zú observed through one of the passionate (brief) interviewees in their song The sailor who fell from grace with the sea "The richest people in the world they are less than 2,000 people, they're controlling 6 billion people on this planet, this planet belongs to all of us.". They omit to say that not all of the people on the planet are controlled by the few, that the few are greater in number, that there is a pyramidal structure of what amount to commercial civil servants who determine what happens [...]. Clann Zú's wild and strange music used to be freely available from http://clannzu.com/ but someone in Motown appears to own the site and is using it in pursuit of regenerating the one time powerhouse of the USA. How ironic that is, from so many perspectives. It tells a story that you will not hear in many headlines.
This is all that I can find of them now: http://web.archive.org/web/20071014062538/http://clannzu.com/
Gone, just like Abunai! whose different brand of strangeness is still available at their site: http://www.abunai.com/ Get it whilst it is still there and look at their photographs only when you've heard the music, which is a modernish variety of space rock. They look like bloody social workers!
Re: I don't know about you...
"Can I just point out that the Anonymous mask image is actually owned by Time warner and they are paid a fee for each mask that is sold."
It's worse than that, and they apparently know this to be true:
Re: Well..."Cull The Tories" I disagree with this one:- why stop there? Cull the lot of 'em...
"We now have more ministers than when we ran 2/3rds of the planet, rough 1 in 10 MPs is a minister or shadow"
Sadly we mostly didn't run it, organisations like the East India Company did (even having a powerful army) or, in the case of the Netherlands, the Dutch East India Company. When the East India Company was unseated the British foreign office was responsible for training and appointing people to take up positions in the foreign service and they seemed to do a more humane and efficient job than the EIC, though in the long run it was bound to be a bloody business. No one likes to be owned by foreigners.
As to the numbers in parliament; they have to sit on committees, meet voters at constituency surgeries... ...the list of jobs done outside of parliament is huge. As much as I despise the creature, look the woman running the committee that's been grilling the BBC and insisted 'I'll have no more lies'. She works her backside off and has little time left for the remainder of her gruelling round.
Not many people are interested in the jobs given to MPs to do - for no extra remuneration - and perhaps it behoves them to investigate and see what they do. I would absolutely not do their job. Not even if you gave me a commercial salary for it. This does not mean that I do not despise the nanny state that we had between 1997 and 2010, which was filled with lies and, looking back, left many Labour champagne socialists very well off and able to fill their wine cellars with lots of the fine stuff.
The only way this will work is if we are active in politics; if we email, write, visit, telephone our representatives, tell them what we think, not sit back and accuse the system of failure because it has not divined what is going on in our cerebral hemispheres. So few people actually get involved in politics, and indeed so few vote, that the last lot rightly believed they could get away with the egregious shit they inflicted on us. It cannot mostly be over turned now. It was our collective fault. There should have been 10 million of us out on the streets before that grinning ghoul took us to war with Iraq; he should have been impeached (it's been done before) but no, we didn't write enough letters, type enough emails, make enough visits and telephone calls, and now the grinning ghoul is of all things a 'peace envoy' to the middle east of all places, and a very, very wealthy man to boot.
Peace envoy? It's like putting a paedophile in charge of a creche.
We were not interactive enough, and we paid for it.
""Cull The Tories" I disagree with this one:- why stop there? Cull the lot of 'em..."
That's right; deter all people but the most psychopathic from standing for election and we'll have a parliament of dictators. They'll take our freedom away from us, rape, torture and murder us and, when they've finished, they'll take what they want and sell the rest to the highest bidder. Putin maybe. Yeah baby, like, let's do it now man.
Where'd I put my bong? Anybody?..... .....does anybody have any plumbing at all pleeeze? A chillum maybe?
Re: Don't tell Anon
"but each of those masks has an embedded RFID tag."
I understand that the new police night sticks now on general issue have a special implant device; a quick tap on the back of the neck and you're in their database forever, DNA, blood, location, where you've been, where you're going, whom you sleep with, the whole bit. The process is made possible by a very powerful, instant anaesthetic which precedes the implantation process and also erases memory for the fraction of a second during which the transaction takes place, and they even debit your bank account for it! Anon no more; all your base are mine! ;-)
"I'm rather interested in the police's failed kettling attempt. Anyone got more details?"
Plod didn't turn up in large numbers for this minority interest demonstration. It was thus hard to police.
Re: @AC 11:59
"At least turn up to the polling station and spoil your ballot, otherwise you're no different from everyone sat on their arses at home who are too lazy to vote."
Indeed, as I have on occasion done. We after all owe it to our forebears, who over centuries of wars (particularly in the period between 1939 and 1945 [VE and then VJ day in the case of the forgotten armies]) contributed to what eventually became a universal franchise.
Re: I don't know about you...
"Excellent. The masks are working."
<Neil from the young ones>Oh this is some heavy shit man!</Neil from the young ones>
Re: I don't know about you...
"...but those Anonymous Masks make me want to smash the noses of the people wearing them"
For me the laugh is on them. Fawkes wanted to destroy parliament in order to return the UK to the dictatorial catholic fold. Anyone who is remotely stupid enough to adopt such a symbol to characterise a rebellion has either a lack of cultural awareness or has been consuming too many Nepalese Temple Balls. Or both, and possibly a little more. They remind me of the New Romantics in the 1980s, so adroitly satirised by the junior police officers in Ashes to Ashes, and so many other fools that have over the centuries adopted silly clothing to signify their membership of a Cause.
"Another pedestrian, in true British style, waved a can of beer in the air, toasted the badger ladies and light-heartedly shouted: "Free the squirrels!" ®
As an atheist I know better, but I would like to think that Tom Sharpe is looking down and laughing as your post was formed. This is the meat and drink of his books, particularly Wilt and The Wilt alternative, in which he sends up every form of terrorism, liberation front, politically correct politician, social worker and all of the little minorities in our 'society' that puff up their chests and self importantly claim that things must change according to their wishes, or, errm, uh, or they'll huff and they'll puff and they'll blow parliament down. Next week, or perhaps during the summer hols, when they come back from the Balkans or somewhere nice.
Re: Missed the point...
"See the thing is, that Mr Cabbie is probably more representative of the British public than the Anon crowds. Rather than being the 99%, they are probably just another 1%. The a large bulk of the remaining 98% probably think they are a bunch of knobs, and have no desire to smash the system because life isn't actually that bad."
That is the point of course. There are a number of mistakes made about the concepts involved in democracy. In Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood forgot that you can only do what's in your mandate or be liable for a kicking; ordinary Egyptians did not want the minority imposing Sharia law on them, it was not in the mandate, they did not vote for it, so Morsi walked the 'perp walk'. In the UK a few spotty faced youths think that by being anonymous and putting together a collation of silly ideas that would look better on an upper sixth form notice board they have a right to inflict themselves on the majority... ...indeed, they also appear to feel they have the right to cause police authorities to spend large sums of money policing their silliness, and on it goes.
This is merely the kindergarten version of Tony Benn, a nodding dog on the parcel shelf of Labour politics; the position which they currently occupy was previously taken by such vacant idiots as the 'Angry Brigades', one of the extreme forms of feminism (which actually, gasp, planted a bomb in emulation of the IB's aka the idiot brats), idiots supporting the murdering doctor, Che Guevara whose image adorns the breasts of thousands possibly millions of naive pulchritudinous teenage girlies, the Animal Liberation Front who liberated minks... ...all over England and, such was the magnificence of their wisdom in releasing an alien species without a care, that otters, shrews, voles and other regiments of indigenous species were on the at risk list.
Oh yes, let's listen to the nodding dogs on the parcel shelf, as they pass their deliberations on, deliberations developed over a hot pipe, a cool bong, a hot knife, a tab of acid, heaps of 'legal highs' or some other such juvenile nonsense consumed at junior networking parties; and Salmond wants to extend the franchise? I can see him and Tony Benn somehow contriving to nod solemnly together while simultaneously smiling their vacant idiot smile at the cars behind; the car in front is (driven and populated by) a small idiot collective which thinks it knows best (can do what it wants and all will be well for the rest of the population, trust us!), and thereby instantiates (to use a technical term from Austrian philosophy) a living, breathing form of the 'false consciousness' argument; the minority know better, and they want what they want now; remember, it is for our own good, and they know better. Or else?
Re: Maximum Wealth
"Even in this country some things cost more than £10M."
Toni Bliar has more than 10 x that. Letter Box Mouth, aka Cherie Bliar, has raised somewhere around 70/90 millions to set up a new private health care company. As the line from Robo Cop has it "Remember... ...we care"
Re: Did you know about this?
"And it's not what they're protesting "for", it's what they're protesting against (which has been clearly demonstrated by the media establishment supporting the status quo)."
'Oh man, heavy-heavy, we don't like the compromise the adults have reached and want to tear everything down, even though we are a minority group and hold ideas that most people find risible. Shit man, we gonna do some real heavy shit tonite man.'
"The police looked so lost and helpless all night that one can only speculate that they did not expect so many"
This began somewhere between 1997 and 2010; you may remember some Muslim demonstrators actually chasing coppers down London streets, threatening them with violence.
You may find pleasure in the impotence of the police, relatively leaderless and without tactics and other resources, but during the riots and across the country innocent people were made to suffer by people who refused to obey the laws that protect people in this country. It would be a shock to such demonstrators if those who suffered retaliated in kind, yet this fate awaited them if they crossed Sikh lines in west London; they had unsheathed ceremonial swords and were prepared to use them, and that along with the use of a firearm by at least one set of rioters says enough for me.
"Brand's an appealing guy and he's correctly identified the problem, but then so has everyone else. His solution, however, is insane"
Brand looks more like an idiot to me (especially for his answerphone message) not least for his suggestion WRT voting. However, Webb's diagnosis of our country being a revolutionary country is not only misplaced, but also overlooks something contained in the very anti monarchy revolution to which he points; revolutions are bloody affairs, and have been since the French one. The old order is not replaced by anything ethically better, but by creatures of opportunity who slaughter, torture and imprison whomsoever they wish (after the October Revolution which was snatched from the Mensheviks by the Bolsheviks, monks and nuns were detained whilst murderers, thieves and rapists were released, because their crimes were surely the fault of capitalist society). The point about not having a dictatorship of the proletariat is that you can vote the bastards out, although in Blair's case the halo had evidently vaporised with the first million that he made, and yet he was returned 3 x.
Oh yes, indeed; I can hear the shouts of 'it will be better when we have the next revolution, we can do this properly'. That's what the proponents of every religion say, from Islam to Marxism.
Orchidectomy in humans does not destroy sexuality, of any sort. We had an outpatient who had the operation privately performed - no NHS consultant was willing to touch it - and he was seen months later hanging around schools; similarly surgical removal of the penis is doomed to failure, since (as with female paedophiles) thrill by proxy is possible, in the form of any attack that you can imagine. The human brain is sensitised in these areas before birth, unlike rat neonates which continue the central nervous system process of maturation, in this domain, outside of the womb.
As for 'chemical castration', using e.g. distilbesterol (I'm doing this from memory) results vary. It's not reliable. Something that I've seen but oppose is the use of the polygraph (often wrongly known as the 'lie detector'; it detects behaviours associated with lies, not the lies themselves), and I oppose it because it is also unreliable, generating both false positives and false negatives. In the UK it is used to test paedophiles housed in small supervised communities to see if they've been engaging in the sorts of behaviours that can be termed 'pre-offending'. Any sign of it and they are hoicked back to Broadmoor or some medium secure forensic unit.
Evoked potential (EP 400) work seems to have startlingly accurate results if the proponents are to be believed. I've seen some partisan reviews of the technique, which unnerve me; there is in my experience no absolutely reliable measure of human behaviour, no one to one correspondence between any nucleus or other cell group and another phenomenon.
Personally I favour putting these individuals in communes, built on very isolated islands, places where they can only offend against one another. I'd have no difficulty with them 'enjoying' one another as a substitute for their normal atrocities.
Re: @Vladimire Plouzhnikov - Sigh...
"Lewis, as always, goes to the opposite extreme, citing the claims that "renewable power simply can't provide anything like the amount of energy required for any large proportion of the human race to live a reasonably comfortable life" and this "requires most of the human race to remain in miserable poverty"
Sir Fred Hoyle beat Lewis to it; in October 1979 his OU textbook, "Energy or extinction? The case for nuclear power" was published. I read it, have you? He very carefully calculated the effectiveness of alternative sources of energy, and it is clear that they are not up to it. It is a great pity that Hoyle was not around to kick Huhne in the arse for his stupidity when he held office.
Re: agrarian-socialist-conservative Nationals Party?
Something to do with puppies perhaps. The Make a Puppy Pregnant Party. Well it worked out pretty well in the 90s, so why not now.
As for why it's in hardware/tablets, Joolie has more or less written its stupidity on tablets of stone. Now perhaps it will go forth and multiply, to paraphrase Moses.
Ah, planet Scorchio, home to the Scorchio family until it plunges into the face of its sun.
Now there's the thing; this might on 'cheap' electronics be seen as indicative of poor quality, but the designer label changes all that and makes it desirable.
"He's a dedicated follower of fashion."
Re: No war
"If Philby (who must be a large part of Le Carre's Pym) decided that the British aristocracy was rotten and its government corrupt, and that Communism offered a better future for humanity once the United States was defeated. [...]"
Philby was one of a number of people recruited because of their belief in fairies at the bottom of the garden, and that they knew better than others. Along with the like of Eric Hobsbawm (a lifelong friend of Ralph Miliband [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Miliband ] who felt that the loss of 20 millions would justify a victorious socialism) they sided with the butcher, Stalin and his corrupt 'socialist' aristocracy. That was the point about Le Carre's work; this was a constant struggle during which western democratic countries evolved, while the empire of the USSR became more brutal, more paranoid and engaged in even greater military adventurism. By the time the setting in which Le Carre's book was chronologically apt the aristocracy were in decay and almost completely irrelevant, whilst the repression of the proletariat, by its vanguard, in the USSR was plotted by the likes of Charter 77; the Czechs, the Hungarians, these peoples were mauled by the invading, undemocratic east. After WWII states in eastern Europe were swallowed up by the adventurism of the eastern empire, which greedily sucked in their resources in return for 'protection' and the purging/liquidation of 'enemies of their people' (these people, who had false consciousness, could be 'guilty' merely of 'revisionism', or disagreeing with Leninist-Marxism [...])
All of the apostles, and other Leninist Marxist twits supported a bankrupt system that was brutal, harsh, violent and economically foundering except for those few components which were in private hands, the allotments on which private individuals maintained high productivity, whilst the collective farms had increasingly worse results (as with all other state enterprises). Leninist-Marxists, both in the International and in the heart of the USSR, had necessarily to overlook these failures, partly because at home they would have been purged by Uncle Jo (as we once misguidedly called him), and partly because the pain of cognitive dissonance for those in the west would have been intolerable, given that this was their religion. To say nothing of feeling foolhardy for supporting such egregious bullshit (I am currently bereft of adjectives in this context, having read lotus eating posts in which people complacently suggest terrorism is not a problem because they have not seen any).
The collectivisation process, in which the kulaks were variously dispossessed, slaughtered, persecuted, locked away and tortured [...] was a part of the utter ruination of the then USSR, in which after the revolution monks and nuns were gaoled, whilst murderers, rapists and thieves were released because the dictates of PC socialism held that society was responsible for their crimes (and let's face it they made excellent NKVD, KGB and other bullies), something from which those who believed in fairies at the bottom of the Marxist garden averted their eyes, especially when the commanding idiot of these 'useful idiots' ignored British warnings - and germane to the current debate, these were supplied only because we had broken German code - of a forthcoming invasion of the USSR by Stalin's pal in Berlin.
Before this occurred, because Stalin professed the belief that they belonged to the former 'ruling classes' the officer classes were 'purged', and the army had become a headless, pointless socialist wreck (this is something recently proposed by some idiot in the British Fabian society, because it is 'classist'). After the invasion Stalin was forced to concede that his folly had resulted in the deaths of many thousands of Soviet soldiers, reinstated the rank structure of the Red Army and looked to Marshal Zhukov to pull his arse out of the fire.
Meanwhile, in spite of the stupidity and waste, both of resources and human lives, people continued (and still do) to believe in the Leninist-Marxist fairy at the bottom of the garden. There was no comparison. These people were bunglers and murderers, they meant us no good, and the basis of any resemblance of an alliance with us was that we would distract the weight of German forces from them, hence them pressing us to open another front, even though we were at first too weak, having been defeated by a superior, better equipped German military that had evolved modern tactics to match.
...but of course the point about the apostles was that they believed they knew better, they believed in the vacuous concept of 'false consciousness', something which notables such as la Harman in the last Labour government believed, and felt that lying and overriding the electorate was their given right, though not given them by the electorate; rather it came from the circularity of believing in Marxist fairies at the bottom of the garden.
The moral of the story; all revolutions, all attempts to impose an ideology, by means devious or blatant, are not only condemned to failure, but they also result in the loss of life on a massive scale, from the French revolution onward. These ideas are always imposed on people by others who feel that they know better, false consciousness or otherwise. Until 1997 the concept of gradualism, slow, careful reform, characterised this countries' diplomatic evolution. I don't need to remind you of what happened, except to observe that when people who profess to be socialists try to play population genetics the results are invariably ugly, and how Stalin led a life of luxury even when in his underground bunker (look at englishrussia.com for an interesting peek) as the contemporary case of Tony Blair exemplifies, and the leaders of most British trades unions, who live very well thank you brothers. Flats in the Barbican for retired union leaders? Sumptuous pensions for retired union leaders? Animal farm indeed.
What we protect, by means of intelligence that enables us to be prepared, is valuable. When we fail to scrutinise behaviour in advance of acts we see tall buildings felled, assassinations, people blown up under ground and the toppling of elected governments. That is the point of cold war novels; we protected ourselves, and we wrote about our struggles, even the minutiae of fictional personalities.
Thank you for reminding me of the book. I have them all, and when I'm home next I'll have to look and see if mice have eaten them. Having lived through those interesting days in an interesting job I feel lucky. I was involved, and am concerned to see people sleeping again or using the argumentum ad hominem to support inactivity as happened some 80 years or so ago.
Re: No war
"That's like saying we don't need our "beware of the dog" sign anymore because no one has been bitten here recently.."
Or, as some Romans said "Si vis pacem, para bellum", something which the British forgot in between 1918 and 1939; we paid dearly for that mistake.
Re: @ James Micallef
"Although it's worth noting that the British armed forces have been on active deployment somewhere on the planet every year since 1948."
Just a small niggle; every year but one AIUI. I learned this during my period on duty. It will have preceded the last outbreak of 'the troubles'.
Re: No war
"Really? I havent seen much of a terrorist problem lately, atleast no more then it ever has been"
One of the problems with psychiatric patients is that, as soon as their psychotropic medication kicks in, they consider themselves better and not in need of their medication. When they are ill they sing a different tune. Again the other day some people were arrested on grounds of planning/preparing terrorist acts. That you do not see dead bodies means absolutely bugger all, except probably that the intelligence and security system works. When dead bodies are dredged up from the underground it has failed, and people start to squawk. Not unlike psychiatry, and general medicine too, where failure to complete a course of antibiotics merely strengthens the resistance of remaining microbial organisms to the medication.
Re: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Although some terrorists do go 'off grid' much of their material is not. It would be stupid to scrap our capabilities. Indeed, if we did there would be a swift rush to use the media that our sigint scrutinises. The same argument applies to nuclear weapons. These things cannot be magicked away.
Re: So what does the Bundesnachrichtendienst do, then?
"I am sure that they did expand their act a bit since then, nobody is immune against mission-creep"
Then there is the interesting case of the Deutsche Bundesbahn, which has been spying on certain persons. There are other cases in Germany. Everyone does it. You do it. I do it. This faux outrage is mere bollox. What we have at the moment is not unlike the unpopular patient phenomenon in psychiatry - where both staff and patients take a disliking to a single patient - or the unpopular employee phenomenon at work - similar - and so on; in every social setting, between individuals and groups, there will always be one individual or group that is targeted by a significant number of others, and it is interesting to note the schaden freude amongst people in the former HQ of the British empire, whom the Americans disliked and distrusted in the mid 20th century... ...for being an empire.
Rather than targeting 'big data' and not putting names to it, France has actively been seeking out particular items of sensitive economic data, to the great cost of the victims. Worse to Germany the USSR was or China is according to an article I've already put up:
“France is the evil empire in stealing technology, and Germany knows this,”
Smutny was quoted as saying in the US diplomatic cable. The American embassy
recorded his judgment that French industrial espionage was “so bad that
the total damage done to the German economy is greater than that inflicted
by China or Russia.”
Spying on your friends is also a way to confirm they are still your friends, a means to affirm they're doing nothing that will endanger you, a means to find out whether or not they are releasing secrets to people who may indirectly or directly cause you harm, intentionally or not. It's a damage limitation method.
The other article whose link I cited makes it very clear, by means of the Boston example, precisely what the 'big data' 'espionage' means. No one has the means to listen to millions of calls, but they do have the ability to statistically analyse millions of calls and sift out the irrelevant, non terrorist calls; after that a process of elimination can narrow the calls down to the few that may be suspect, and then, and only then, they apply to the FISA court for a warrant to tap lines.
In the Boston example, where police suspected that a number of public phones were being used for criminal activity, traffic analysis resulted in them knowing there were calls to certain numbers known to be owned by suspects. All the investigators lacked was the content of conversations. Having established that these phones were used to contact such criminals they applied to FISA for a wire tap warrant (with the caveat that they were to take measures to ensure they were not recording innocent calls) and they proceeded to confirm that these calls did indeed contain information about criminal activity.
Returning to France for a minute, the 'evil empire' that outspies even the former USSR's commercial theft enterprise (and note that one Lt. Col. Vladimir Vladimorovich Putin, or 'Voro' in kindergarten Russian, was in charge of the German end of this effort), the effect that their commercial espionage has on ordinary people is considerable and troublesome to people who pay attention. The trouble is that we are looking in the direction, mostly, of the traffic analysis of meta data, and we are panicking irrationally about it, whilst simultaneously and wrongly generalising to ourselves.
I'm more concerned about Deutsche Bundesbahn's espionage, and far more concerned about the espionage practised by hiring and actual employers, who grep the web for your information, for your remarks, for your photographs... ...and then generalise about you when actually the things that you have done and confessed online are more than likely found in most people, including the employers, who are practising a kind of Victorian, prudish hypocrisy.
As a side note, I have analysed vast amounts of data in my academic life, much of it about very painful, personal emotional conditions, criminal behaviour and so on; the data are collected and turned into anonymous collections that can (only for the purpose of follow up) only related to real people by means of a key. I've never been interested in the particularity, yet I can understand the fears of people whose data I've analysed. I have had to conform to high standards of data protection, and every other organisation that collects data has to face similar criteria. Interestingly intelligence agencies analysing vast amounts of data start off not knowing much of value, and only know it after connections to suspect nodes are made by previously unremarkable ones. I see no one mention these things, as I see no one worrying about French destruction of commercial secrecy, at great cost to the victims; that would be the like of you and me.
Worth a level headed read:
- It's true, the START MENU is coming BACK to Windows 8, hiss sources
- Pic NASA Mars tank Curiosity rolls on old WET PATCH, sighs, sniffs for life signs
- How UK air traffic control system was caught asleep on the job
- Google embiggens its fat vid pipe Chromecast with TEN new supported apps
- Microsoft: Don't listen to 4chan ... especially the bit about bricking Xbox Ones