85 posts • joined 15 Jul 2010
Re: "THIS is what will get them the marketshare they deserve"
These phones are exactly what this market requires where feature phones and dumb phones reign supreme. Only but the very affluent can afford an iPhone in China - where it actually costs more than in the UK!
Yes, Huawei and ZTE are aiming for the same market as Nokia, but you obviously don't understand the chinese mindset; where all things equal in price and feature set, given the choice, they will go for the foreign brand; the perceived prestige is what, as you've intimated, the upwardly mobile people want in order to show off their new found wealth.
Another thing that you do not realise are the ties Microsoft and Nokia are making with indigenous companies and their services. They've already signed on the dotted line for Weibo Sina integration (Chinese Twitter) and Tencent's QQ - which is absolutely massive, amongst other things.
I think you're missing the point, these low spec smartphones are targeted for emerging markets.
Interesting Direction from Microsoft
It's interesting that whilst Apple and Android are in the market of upscaling, Microsoft have gone in the opposite direction and are streamlining the OS code for low spec smartphones.
From the hands on shown (Verge and Engadget) i'm actually quite impressed, very fluid considering the hardware.
Also interesting that possible fragmentation is limited to 'apps' and that MS are actively informing developer's of the 5% or so apps that they are not functioning correctly.
Same old, same old. People are better waiting for Ipad 3 - although the Windows 8 hardware coming out Q4 is very, very intriguing.
Google: Whiter than White
From a lot of comments on this site, it's obvious that Google has no blame and everyone else is at fault no matter what...
"Being able to spot and call out BS + hyperbole does not imply awkwardness.
But falling for it does imply a certain lack of critical facility."
Sounds like you are wrapped up in your own hubris.
BS+hyperbole? That's your opinion. Implying that it's a fact and criticising someone who thinks otherwise is arrogant beyond belief.
By and large, these type of people have a constitution which is generally 'closed'. The problem with this character flaw is that they are generally unimaginative and resistant to change; They latch onto something and are unable to let go no matter what!
In this case: - Google is now 'open source' - 'shiny key word, that attracts certain types' - Therefore take-up of Google ecosystem is justified - Leading to Google can do no wrong no matter what.
Which is ironic, since the IT world is a rapidly moving entity and Google's accumulating track record of naughtiness should be an obvious warning for people to jump ship - or at least latch onto something else (temporarily!)...
Re: @ Dan 55
It makes me shudder!!!!
Apple and MS are in no way little angels, BUT people here really need to get a grip. Google have done wrong here!
Why are people trying to put a different slant on things by spreading blame to other parties? Why come up with these excuses and attempts to justify and lessen Google's culpability?
Only brainwashed fans react in this way. I get the Register doesn't like MS or Apple, but this article doesn't warrant any MS/Apple bashing. It's all about Google here...
At last! We have an alternative to the Control Freak and the Sinister Stalker!
True, it's not a new idea.
Its the implementation of the idea that makes it truly successful and noteworthy as your reviewer and others have praised.
I've always loved the hardware design for this phone (when the N9 came out) - Good to see it's almost exactly the same as the N9 - Although the Lumia 800 appears to have an extra metal button on the side. What's this for?
Once again we are subjected to an extremely biased Register article that loaded with negative commentary and that's just the first paragraph!
Whatever happened to journalistic impartiality?
Perhaps the writers look at Ars Technica for inspiration. It's also a far superior site in terms of content and the look.
It's not about Price. but Quality
Yes there are better specced Android phones out there, BUT, even with that state of the art hardware, the quality of the User Experience and Interface is no where near as fluid or refined as iOS.
That's the truth.
Apple are not going to price match any of the competition, they're clearly high-end - and they've been getting away with it for decades. It would be extremely stupid for them to price drop, why should they? Considering iPhone sales trump any other single handset out of existence.
iPhone > Android High-End
Silly IT Support People
I like your post/review. It was unbiased, which is refreshing, because a lot of people on The Register are so blinkered and rigid that anything that goes against or beyond their beliefs (Google Love Beliefs, for the most part) are instantly rejected.
It is some kind of brand fundamentalism - The only form of IT type in my experience, that rejects the new, or finds difficulty in being flexible are those that are or have leanings towards IT Support!
Far too rigid and unimaginative. They should be let out to pasture. forever.
I don't own any Apple tech but you can't deny Steve Jobs changed the perception of technology vs consumerism and brought it to a much wider audience.
Some might dislike him/his philosophy/Apple on a number of levels, including myself, but no one can deny he was instrumental in a lot of positive developments that steered the tech world to where it is today.
GOOGLE are notorious for this! The biggest Shadow in the industry.
Diverting attention to Apple and M$ etc. just makes you out like some soft Google fanboi. Stop defending this action, and condemn it for what it is.
Is that such a difficult thing to do?
Oh sorry, I didn't realise Google had the same function as the Royal Mail.
Hell, maybe I should give Google my name and full address aswell (if they haven't got it already)
"Microsoft and many others are doing exactly the same (location database), and none of them offered an opt-in either, so this article is another sad excuse at Google-bashing. Shame on you, El Reg."
Another attempt to deflect attention to someone else! What Google are doing is bad. Shame on you for condoning this behaviour!
What's laughable is that you even claim this site is 'Google-bashing'!!! Strange really, because the Register is obviously a Google-Faux-Open-Source stronghold!
Your reaction towards a (rare) impartial article just reinforces you're rabid fanboism...
Google are not pro 'open source' though. It's just something they like to flap around in front of your face! At least MS and Apple don't have such pretensions.
Why are we so surprised? Seriously. lol
The difference between M$ and Android is that M$ has an excuse due to the fact that it has a mass market monopoly, the other, Android just has piss poor software that's easy to exploit.
Facebook? Surely you meant Google.
BUT... the controls won't be crappy though! Windows 8 supports all manner of controls.
Mouse and keyboard is standard. Hell, even a stylus is supported (the Samsung developer model) - I don't see iPad or Android tablets having this level of support.
Hell, you'll need a far higher spec machine to have that android junk running at 'acceptable' levels... lol
Just a comment on the people who down voted this post.
What Artic fox wrote was very, very reasonable. The fact that it got down voted says a lot more about those people than the actual comment. Sounds like, these people don't like the truth - and the only way to vent their anguish is to down vote! [Obviously they can't post a credible response].
Microsoft have so far done well.
For some reason, it's impossible for the anti-Microsoft posters (generally the majority of them on The Register) to give credit where it's due.
BRAND loyalty, FORCED or otherwise - call it what you want - the consumer knows what they will get with Apple, and these people want what Apple are offering.
You can call them all manner of names: iSheep, Mactards whatever (i'm not one of them BTW), but making the point about being 'locked-in' to a single device is not a major concern, nor an important factor to the consumer in general.
You make this mistake, by taking the tech-enthusiasts POV - a very small minority indeed.
The fact is, iOS is very good. It works slickly and smoothly, the hardware is very good (in general!) and the apps are plentiful and as good, if not better than Android equivalents. It also helps that iOS and Apple in general is consistent on all levels.
Android, on these terms is an almost complete fail. The thing is, this is what is important to the masses - not some silly fairy tale about 'openess' and the ideas of 'choice' that this suggests...
Boo Hoo - poor little Google
Seriously, about time Google got it's just desserts...
Jingle = Epic Fail
I'll stick to Skype thank you. I'm already invested into this ecosystem (as are a few million people) - Plus as others have mentioned, I don't fancy investing into the stalk-fest that is Google.
Windows Phone now on par with the competition
... give or take a few omissions and a few additions which other don't have.
Agree with Trib, Apple and Google will most definitely learn and perhaps borrow a few innovations here. They'd be foolish not to.
The problem with Android and iOS is that these OS' don't have the built-in deep integration that Windows Phone has from the start. It's this deep integration which is WP trump card.
I think a major reason was to gain a huge user-base overnight - Which makes sense. Obviously M$ can do as they want with the 'tech' they just bought aswell.
The overall plan is to integrate their gaming, mobile and desktop products. Very ambitious, something Google or Apple cannot compete with.
... what a farce!
Shaun 1 is right, M$ have never claimed the current fashionable fad of 'Openess' that Google does inccessantly!
The sad thing is that the supposedly intelligent, unbiased community on the Reg seemed to have fallen all over the feet of Google!
How sad to gorge on those toes...
Live Messenger is huge!
It has 330 million active users - M$ are not going to exchange this service for Skype.
More likely, they will integrate Skype into Windows Live (which also includes Messenger) - Skype has a few features that Messenger lacks - plus it's about the brand and increasing the Windows Live user base (Xbox Live, Windows Phone, Office, Messenger).
Pricey, but it's part of their 'Integration' plan
Yeah, it's about users and branding.
BUT, M$' Live Messenger doesn't have the call payment aspect of Skype. That is one difference - Live Messenger is free.
M$ tried to introduce (payed) calls a while back, but ended it, presumably due to users not willing to pay for this service. Skype users have no problem with this.
An ITPro vs Average user thing? Yes, probably
You are most probably right, and by and large, most ITPro users are so stuck up their own ars*s, they are incapable of seeing how things really are!
Everyone knows (except the IT fangirl) that it's the end users opinion that matters. As it is, Hotmail IS superior to Gmail - saying it isn't so, doesn't change that fact! lol... Also it would be well advised to open a new hotmail account and set it up properly like a good IT fangirl does normally and give it a try. :)
For people who laud openness and the spirit of competition, I find it perculiar to see posts that are so closed and unwilling to change - even to the extent that they will refuse point blank to give something a try that has an M$ logo stuck onto it. lol...
Who cares anyway...
It's not Office Web Apps...
too true. too true.
Google and Apple are worse
In this instance, I would choose M$ over Google or Apple here.
Not impressed with these 'subject-to-change' offerings unfortunately.
Sony hardware is undeniably near the top of the pile, but still, i'm a bit disappointed. Design-wise, it's very generic - the hinge on the smaller device is glaring.
But I guess the biggest problem is that they've gone the Android route. I'm no Apple fan, but Android cannot compete with iOS' usability and smoothness.
RE: Dear oh dear? Not sure...
I not so sure that people would object to the Cloud nowadays. When it was first introduced, the concept was rejected by a lot of people, me included - but as with everything, it seems to worm it's way into 'acceptability'.
Certainly, the general public have been using the Cloud in various ways, in some respects unwittingly - the current spread of mobile devices, internet based mail, Flickr, social networks etc. all help the concept run along.
If the rumours are true, M$' Hotmail will replace the current Live Mail/Outlook Express application and Window 8 will have some form of Cloud integration built-in.
peyton? misunderstood? Yes.
Did I ever claim that you did?
The abbreviation coincides with my current opinions of Microsoft for this week [only].
peyton? pointless? yes.
I get that you dislike M$, but to the extent where you would post something so wholly unconnected with the article seems rather bizarre to me.
Very superficial indeed.
"It also amazes me that you managed to not once mention Googles' cloud-based offerings."
That gave me a chuckle...! As I was reading this article, I was expecting the obligatory plug that you normally get on this biased site. Either that, or some snide comment a la The Inquirer...
The City and the Stars - Arthur C Clarke
Amazing sense of wonder and epic-ness... Though the transition from Earth to exploring Space would be disjointed on a filmic level. I understand it's purpose to establish that humanity has receded to the few remnants left on Earth - but not quite sure how this could be achieved if translated literally on film.
Childhood's End - Arthur C Clarke
Another one of his best. Again epic, but also quite revelationary and tinged with sadness. The transition through time would need to be handled consistently for this to work on film.
Has this problem been resolved yet?
Typical of The Register
The fact is, Google is no better than Apple or MS: massive companies, whose sole intent are massive profits.
The Register's brainwashing of simple minds over the years has resulted in delusional sheep following the Google-Way-Of-Life.
Please stop excreting Google's 'open-source' credentials, just remember that you've been duped! lol.
Google Monopoly Yes
But you are required to sign up for a Google Account to fully utilize the phone's features...
However, my biggest bugbear is privacy with Google...
They were using Old Hardware
The were also using an Asus prototype aswell - which was seen last summer - so yeah, Mango works fine on existing WP7 handsets.
Not bad really, as Android, with higher specs, can't even compete with the performance we've seen on the Mango-work-in-progress phones.
Do people not notice what MS appear to be doing.
It's clear by what they're doing with WP7 , XBox, .live and Windows.
i.e. attempting to integrate all of their key products.
So initially, when they decided to start from scratch rather than continue with Windows mobile, people questioned why was it called a Windows phone - as it bears no relation to Win Mobile nor Windows.
BUT recently, we've been seeing early iterations of Windows 8 - and it's clear, Windows in the future will actually borrow from WP7.
Secondly, Calling it WP7 tidily ties in with the same version number for Windows (desktop) next year. After the Mango update, the next one will obviously be WP8 - by that time, I would assume Windows 8 would be out.
You see? Silly.
User Experience is Key
You don't care about 'butter smooth scrolling'?
Strange, it's the complete opposite to my view.
To me, the whole user experience: how fast, slick and user friendly and intelligent the GUI is paramount. I want to actually enjoy using technology.
Here, I think MS has studied Apple - and have in fact improved upon iOS in a lot of aspects.
But, I suppose if you're happy with s-l-o-w, jerky and poor-man's version of iOS, then each to her own...
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