Doin yer own fact checking .. and checking out the sKeptitard from FourX land

Here's the reality....

In 1842 the "Isle of the Dead" in SE Tasmania was selected for the site of a "Mean Sea Level" reference mark by Capt. James Clark Ross.

Today this mark can clearly be seen 35 cm ABOVE the current mean sea level.

But who is .. skeptical(sic)science.com ?

since some of the posters here are stupid enough to use it as reference to "argue from authority"

John Cook is skeptical(sic) science (pity he can't spell it correctly as literate most Australian's can) set it up.

He is the "Climate Communication Fellow for the Global Change Institute"

(a grant seeking wonk from a pro-Labor Party pressure group).

He went to James Cook Uni, a former third rate CAE (polytechnic) in the intellectually competitive north queensland town of Townsville,

no indication at all of what he studied ?? sociology or media studies is my guess

Re: I'm sceptical (of this)

@nomnomnom

maybe it's time to stop digging ?

I suggest you google up the IPCC Assessment Report 2 "AR2" (circa 1995) and run a word count on "global warming" then compare it to the much smaller number in IPCC AR5

But, you'll like this one, there's some really interesting "scientific" papers that made it into AR4 that had "global warming" in their titles

... AR4 was at the height of the thermogeddon scare (pre-climategate)

- Tulu, A.N., 1996: Determinants of malaria transmission in the highlands of Ethiopia: the impact of GLOBAL WARMING on morbidity and mortality ascribed to malaria. PhD thesis, University of London, London, 301 pp.

***(yep a student doing his masters made the cut)

Malcolm, J.R., C. Liu, L. Miller, T. Allnut and L. Hansen, Eds., 2002a: Habitats at Risk: Global Warming and Species Loss in Globally Significant Terrestrial Ecosystems. WWF World Wide Fund for Nature, Gland, 40 pp.

***(this is interesting, the WWF - World Wrestling Federation gets a gig)

Malcolm, J.R. and A. Markham, 2000: Global Warming and Terrestrial Biodiversity Decline. World Wildlife Fund, Gland, Switzerland, 34 pp

***(again .. those wrestlers must be clever)

Bernow, S., K. Cory, W. Dougherty, M. Duckworth, S. Kartha, and M. Ruth, 1999: America’s Global Warming Solutions. Worldwildlife Fund, Washington, DC.

***(whey hey move over Gore, give those wrestlers a nobel prize as well)

Re: Shame on El Reg

The most catastrophic IT failure in banking history, on a supposedly failsafe system with NO explanation or answers coming from RBS.

And AC at 12.48GMT decides no one should know why... because YOU think the answer is rawwwwwcist.

you wanker

Re: Don't you mean radioactive cesium?

IvyKing: Be gentle on Volker Hett he's a Apple fanboi you know

cesium, cadmium... meh .. it's all silver and shiny to him

Re: Which 'side' am I on?

@Bradley Hardleigh-Hadderchance

That wasn't a rant .. It was pure poetry

The irony is the CACC heads and Guardianista greentards who now flock to the Reg to diss every Andrew Orlowoski and Lewis Page article have no doubt massively boosted the coffers of El Reg via their Google doubeclick adverts..

One commentard above even posted demanding to know who the sinister force is funding Lewis !

I reckon Lewis could have a bought his third SUV just from the revenue the greentards generate for him here last month.

Re: Oh dear.

You know Matt ... that makes perfect sense, I believe you may have discovered the real cause of global warming !

The increase of emissions of TetraHydroCannabinol does correlate perfectly with the increase in global mean temperature.

and there's no need to fudge a hockey stick chart to support that fact

Although looking at the down votes your getting, It seems the spliff huffing greentards won't be too pleased.

Re: Was it only me.....

Yup you've sussed it out correctly,

the ad-hom's against Lewis (and Andrew Orlowski etc.. ) are from mindless ecotards who don't read the article .. note how quickly they always appear (within minutes of the article posting)

From Eco-Troll Central here is why:

"Are you fed up with sceptics and pseudo-scientists dominating blogs and news articles with their denialist propaganda? Well, fight back! We are trying to create an online army of online volunteers to try and tip the balance back in the favour of scientific fact, not scientific fiction."

http://www.realclimategate.org/2010/11/bishop-hill-targeted-sceptic-alerts/

Nah this is what desperation is ....

Eco-loons organising trolling into a fine art:

whenever a "climate holocaust denier" story appears on any major news site or blog ..

the CACC mailing list kicks into action... alerting all "right thinking" ecotards with the url

and if you don't believe it -> http://www.campaigncc.org/node/384

PS: But, since you’re here now eco-loons .. look at the article that woke up the apathetic majority and put the Reg on the eco-loons hitlist

(and as an added bonus it's guaranteed to make any watermelon explode)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/30/crugate_analysis/

Re: Well, Huey Lewis is stuffed.

Ouch ! .. look at those down votes

the fanboi's really don't like it when a comment cuts close to the bone

Re: APRIL FOOL

still you can't be too sure when patent law is involved.

Not mean at all

Every woman has the right to be ugly, but she's abusing the privilege!

her head would even give Freddy Krueger nightmares,

..... explains why she's a miserable misanthropic wretch.

Re: Seriously

That's not how you ad hominem .. didn't you read the grauniad style guide ?

Didn't you read organised trolling manual ?

( regular readers if you don't believe it -> http://www.campaigncc.org/node/384 )

here let me help you...

"....

- We must dismiss the research carried out by Professor Lu - he’s a geochemist, not a paleontologist, so what would he know about Climate Change?

- Is he being funded by Big Oil - we should check?

- He might also be a smoker - we should find out.

- And chances are he was one day in a US airport around the same time that Lord Monckton was preparing to book flights to Australia from London.

- Plus his name has an L and an I in the spelling, just like Clive Palmer’s name.

Yes, the pieces are starting to fit - he’s a climate holocaust denier, albeit a sneaky one who covers his tracks carefully. ... "

now desist from dissing Lewis Page and Andrew Orlowski and sod off back to the grauniad.

Re: Cui Bono?

Nah its the Grauniad readers .. the Reg is under siege from community outreach jobsworths, gender identity academics and other assorted wankers in the civil service.

The lunatics at the Graun have actually organised themselves into a troll brigade.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/search/comments?q=orlowski

They never got over Andrew Orlowski driving a stake into their carbon cult beliefs.

Here you go eco-loons .. one more time, the article that woke up the apathetic majority

as an added bonus it's guaranteed to make any watermelon explode.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/30/crugate_analysis/

@jake

I take it you scored under 100 in your standardized High School IQ test

:-P

first UK satellite.. It WAS Prospero X3

@greameleggett has is right

Launched from Woomera in 1971,

incidentally, three years after WRESAT (also launched at Woomera)

So who'll be the next weeks pointy haired MBA CEO at HP ?

Looking at the hammering HPQ is getting right now on the NYSE,

20% down this morning (the largest one drop in 31 years)

Apotheker won't get the time to run HP into the ground.

why the flood of anonymous eco-trolls you ask ?

If you hadn't figured it out yet,

Whenever Andrew Orlowski writes an article and enables comments.

Grauniad readers and other assorted carbon cultists hear about it and descend en masse.

(why else would social studies teachers or community outreach facilitators be pasting their URLs to the graun on a tech site like the Reg ?)

The eco-loons have got organised trolling refined to a fine art:

if you don't believe it -> http://www.campaigncc.org/node/384

Anyway, so while all the visiting thermogeddonists are now here on the Reg,

Let me point them to the reg article that put Orlowski on the eco-loons hitlist.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/30/crugate_analysis/

PS: I've personally seen a watermelon explode after reading that ;-)

oh FFS Martin

"..according to a GREENPEACE investigation"

( ... the evil capitalist running dogs .. yada.. yada... reactionary pigs .. yada yada.. oppressing progressive greenpeace freedom fighters and syrian lesbian bloggers .. yada yada ..evil daily fail climate holocaust deniers .. yada yada )

Martin, do grow up or at least drink the kool-aid that's bottled in Jonestown, Guyana.

Here's a clue:

Labour (not nazi denier) MP, the only one with a science degree (not an oxbridge PPE plonker),

says CRU is peddling bollocks.

The merkin might have a point

Come on lay off the yank bashing, (this is the Reg not the frikken Guardian)

With no details about the case, the Merkin might have a valid point.

Has the wanna-be jihadi been prosecuted for:

(A). Incitement to murder

i.e. "Allah will give you 72 schoolgirls for killing a kufr"

(B). Instruction in making explosives

i.e "DIY video on how to bomb the clapham bus"

(C). Promoting "Hate Speech"

i.e uploading an Al-Qaida snuff video on youtube

(A) and (B) are rightly criminal offensives in all civilised countries (including the US)

while

(C) is regarded as a criminal act only in countries dominated by a PC-regime,

but regarded as tasteless in the rest of free world.

Not as far fetched as it sounds

With Labor Party stooge Mark Arbib being the American's plenipotentiary

http://www.smh.com.au/national/arbib-revealed-as-secret-us-source-20101208-18prg.html

directive from CampaignCC sent via Eco-Troll alert to "diss Bishop Hill" today not the Reg

And yes they do indeed arrive en masse via their own eco-troll alerts

http://www.campaigncc.org/node/384

However the Register isn't the target today.

Perhaps Lewis just doesn't wind them up enough or their waiting to vent their eco-spleens on an Andrew Orlowski article :-P

Votes from the Reg hating lobby

@affian: "I find the vote spread rather odd in this article."

It's all the Reg hating wikkifiddlers and eco-loons out in force clicking those thumbs down.

It's even more odd how the visiting leftards agree with fat headed right wing shock jocks

directive from Campaign Climate Change sent via Eco-Troll alert to "diss the Reg"

@llerrac: your really staying on message

Jane should be honoured to know she's now joined Andrew Orlowski as a target on "skeptic alert" ..

http://www.campaigncc.org/node/384

Regular readers may wonder where these trolls originate from and why they arrive en masse.

So for all the trolls out who've signed up from ccc just to diss the Reg,

read this Reg article below and foam at the mouth

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/30/crugate_analysis/

It's THE article that sent the eco-tards over the edge.

3.. 2.. 1... Here comes the Eco-Trolls (Part 2)

@sapient fridge:

At least your a bit more entertaining

You've used the Type 16 "Special pleading, or ad-hoc reasoning" logical fallacy.

Which is "the arbitrary introduction of new elements into an argument in order to fix them so that they appear valid".

But you lose your points by doing an Ad hominem on Lewis Page,

I guess eco-loons just can't resist the type 1 logical fallacy.

3.. 2.. 1... Here comes the Eco-Trolls

@Some(Eco)Buggar:

Have you been summoned by the eco-loons jungle telegraph to flame the El Reg Journos ?

(although looking at your posting history you may just well be a general purpose troll)

It's a pity your all so predictable with your logical fallacies

Is a bog standard Type 1. Ad hominem the best you eco-loons can ever do ?

There's a top twenty logical fallacies list available to choose from

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

You should hope no one ever mentions the involvement of the following groups funding the Carbon Cult scare:

-Goldman Sachs (profit from a carbon credit derivatives trade)

-Catlin Group (profit from eco insurance via climate-terror stories)

-WWF (yep profit from carbon offsets buying third world forests and evicting the natives)

Proof the Reg is staked out by eco-trolls on the jungle telegraph

A lot of regular readers of the Reg have probably noticed how rapidly hordes of trolls appear whenever an environment article is posted which doesn't agree with the "settled science".

Especially if its by Andrew Orlowski (which also brings in the wikifiddlers en masse, but thats another story)

The above post by DanHarper is the perfect example of one which follows the familiar formula.

He starts off proclaiming an incorrect fact -

(in truth, the professor is not retired and still on staff at UC-SB, google is your friend Dan)

and then follows up with a series of the usual logical fallacies we've all come to expect.

Logical Fallacy No.3 "Ad hominem" (i.e The man is an old senile fool )

Logical Fallacy No.9 "False Dichotomy" (i.e If you don't believe in global warming you must be a religious whackjob preaching intelligent design)

I would like to ask the trolls to please be original and use a variety of all 20 logical fallacies, otherwise your comments are very droll reading.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspx

Explosive icon: ... well "no pressure"

Surely... who to believe ?

The Grauniad has enthusiastically come to the opposite conclusion to the Reg ?

So which journalist/editorial team has the better judgement here ?

Since the graun journos are already in the mindset where they giggle at the splattergate kiddy snuff flick and don't even seem to notice the horrifying authoritarian message behind it.

It's obvious really.. Lewis and the Reg staff have the true story.

explosive icon: well thats obvious too, can we have an Andrew Orlowski article please

.. no pressure ;-)

Never have the useful idiots been so idiotic

@Bruce MacDonald: So in a nutshell, your really saying "mummy make him stop talking about it". Now where's that Grauniad reader lynching Andrew Orlowski icon.