1000 posts • joined 31 May 2007
Re: What did people expect?
"> That sounds free to me.... ?
It's free but it's not FOSS."
It is free, and open source. What does Foss stand for again?
"You can't submit code to Android. You can look at it but that's pretty much all you can do."
Yes you can submit code. You can also fork it and go it alone. Amazon and a ton of other vendors do this happily. Cyanogen mod also track aosp easy enough.
I used oxygen ROM on my desire at one point, pure aosp except for the driver binaries lifted from stock ROMs. Nobody building that worked for Google. They also hacked it about a bit with custom kernels etc.
Code is hard, if its beyond you to fork it and build for a device then that's okay, but don't claim it's the projects not being open enough.
There is also a distinction between android the aosp and android the brand. In that regard you have to be sanctioned by Google to get android branded device with play services. In assuming that is confusing some on here.
Re: What did people expect?
"And no, Android is not really Free and Open Source Software. Yes you can download the source code and compile it yourself"
That sounds free to me.... ?
"but it's to complex to do any meaningful changes"
Software is hard for most people?? Who knew!
"and even if you can make any changes, many devices will have locked boot loaders or require binary blobs to work."
Agree with that one... and that's where I get annoyed with android - the OS itself is free (if you don't want the Google services - which you don't need for an emulator specific device). It's the networks, phone manufacturers and the chip makers.
- Chip makers release proprietary drivers, locked down, no source code available. Once that driver isn't supported in a later version of android, your buggered. Only happens on big architectual changes though, like from Gingerbread to ICS.
- Phone manufacturers lock the phone down for most normal people, basically so they don't screw the thing up, but also occasionally to lock in their own services/apps which are really just bloaty crap.
- Then you get some which let you unlock it, under the proviso that doing so will void your warranty. Great, I bought a phone under the assumption I could do this, because the phone manufacturer said I could.
- I found out that while my phone manufacturer allowed bootloader unlocking, my network had decided to lock it down with no chance of unlocking it. The manufacturer wouldn't comply, because as far as they were concerned, it was the networks phone forever - they were not legally allowed to unlock it. The network refused to unlock it, when I eventually found somebody who understood what I was asking, they revealed don't provide that service. They made a business decision to lock the thing down with no hope of unlocking it... so no security updates after however long they chose to support the device (less than a year). Arses!!
The main problem with android is that while it's free (and open) - there are just a lot of companies and people involved in getting a device built - and most companies/people either don't understand FOSS or care that some people actually enjoy having open devices.
Re: If this would happen to....
Not only them with the software updates - Sony have been introducing bugs and disabling key features with updates since they took over the Sony Ericsson bit. My Xperia S was a good example of this.... smartphone with an awesome camera, that post update, wouldn't focus. After a year it was obvious they weren't going to fix it, or the numerous other bugs they introduced, so I sold the thing.
I'm all for Apple getting some stick over this though, and the new iBend feature. Buggy updates were what prompted me to sell my iPhone 3G back in 2010 too.
Re: As a Scotsman
As an Englishman married to a Scottish woman, I plead with the Scottish people to vote Yes... on the promise I can deport the in-laws when independence is hard won.
(icon selected by the humour impaired)
Fixed it for you. ;)
"So what would he make of Apple's linkup with U2, which is set to release its new album through iTunes?"
Yeah, you're damn right!!! Job's Apple would never have used U2 music releases as part of a product launch before.... oh wait
Re: Short memories
I don't like the apple watch design - I do like the moto 360 design, and it's cheaper - though not having an android phone anymore, it'd be pointless buying even if I could afford it.
I've no doubt they'll sell a fair few of these things, but remember they've had just as many flops as they've had successes.
Re: just me ??
"Available with many (but not all) Lumias - don't know if Android has it - not that I have seen though."
Moto X has active display, that is very similar to glance. There's an app in the play store that will replicate it by replacing the lock screen on any android - you need the right display type for it to not waste your battery though.
I use glance on my 1020 - it's a nice feature, I'd just like a few more configuration options.
Re: just me ??
"E-ink is always on but it still consumes power to change the display. The likes of the pebble watch try to minimize updates to reduce power consumption. e.g. one watch face only shows an approximate time. "
Pebble doesn't use e-ink - they call it e-paper.
"But no smart watch gets anywhere close to the power consumption of an LCD."
And what they call e-paper is just an LCD from Sharp...
Apparently it's a:
144×168 pixel Sharp Memory LCD "e-paper"
Found that out when I was going to order the Pebble Steel earlier in the year so decided to wait it out until the market matured a bit or they upped the resolution of the e-paper display.
Re: Well, no I'm not in favour of thumping people as a general rule but.......
"I'm not sure people would thump you in reality"
I have a feeling people will get punched, and for wearing glass - but not for privacy reasons.
There's going to be quite a lot of mugging victims when you're wearing something on your head as expensive as a high end smartphone for all to see - and it stands out.
I'd rather have the US voice, to be honest. Its more familiar, and I bet they'll rip out all in-jokes too when regionalising it.
Like the positioning, just wish it auto hid until you did a scroll down motion like chrome does on android... Being at the bottom I understand why they didn't though.
Re: Must suck to be an musician in these days...
"Must suck to be an musician in these days...
Either get pushed around by a major label or pushed around by Google and all the other streaming and distribution companies..."
On the plus side, at least they aren't writing software for a living.
Did you not get the memo about putting the coversheet on the TPS reports? :'(
Not down south - they'd still pronounce it "glarse" when spelt glass.
Up here in the north nobody really cares, you can carry on with Glassholes. :)
Personally I'd rather have the upcoming round watch from Motorola than the glass anyway, but since I no longer own an android phone that won't be happening. :(
Re: Quite frankly
"until XBOne and it's mediaplayer focus dragged in the corporate Microsoft thinking and it all went downhill fast."
I'd say it went a bit downhill after the third (or was it forth) dashboard refresh on the 360 (the metro looking one... the current one). At that point, my xbox's games took a backseat to apps, social features and advertising.
I already pay for Xbox Gold, I paid for the xbox, and I paid for the game... I don't need to see an ad for some football streaming app on my main window. At that point, I realised the gamers in the Xbox division had lost the fight... it was now a media box. The Xbone was just the logical next step.. expensive hardware, focus on apps/media content/ads, ignore the gamers and game developers.
Re: I disagree
"I never got the appeal of machines commanded by voice. If you've got to speak to it why don't you just tell another person what you want done."
Me: "Wife - Xbox on!"
Wife: "Husband - bugger off!"
Me: "Wife - open Titanfall, and snap the football"
*wife throws xbox at husband*
Not sure you've got a solid plan there. These things are always solutions looking for a problem - until you get used to them, then it's just an expected feature.
Re: Unintentional humor
"*> "we are actively deploying Windows 8 in a corporate environment."
I hope you don't mind me asking but who do you work for?"
"This decision will definitely be used by Microsoft once wine is better than their win32 implementation, or to stop any .net re-implementations. "
Doubtful on the .NET front since they helped encourage and supported the Mono project for a while. Despite all they've done, Microsoft still have a few engineers who know their elbow from their arse, obviously Oracle has been lacking that for a while.
I used to use Console 2 for any command prompt and power shell work. Can set it to open to powershell automatically, and theme it, set transparency, and tab multiple windows.
Recently started using conemu, as it can slide down into and up out of view using shortcuts, meaning I can keep scripts running but hidden. It's nice looking too.
Nothing really rivals the proper terminal experience I get from my home machines though.
"I don't use gmail. I never have
But Google still scans a lot of the mails I send or receive"
But that's a different issue to the one I was addressing... The act of scanning incoming mail from other providers isn't new. If you don't want Google to scan your emails don't email Google users. Or if you do, make sure you encrypt the message.
I understand the expectation of privacy in email to a point - I expect it too, but all free providers do this to a point... But email is fundamentally unsecure.
"But what about the rest of us? Surely we don't deserve to have our emails scanned so Google can show us advertising?"
I don't get it... You're using the service in return for giving them a screen to fling ads at you with. Its not like you're being forced to use gmail.
Don't like the price, go find a different provider, it's not rocket science.
"this time, Google really means it"
Dunno why, but that actually made me chuckle evilly.
They were also running out of numbers on the Nexus line for phones...
Re: The Facts..........
I had an mp3 player that did one click rip and copy - it was definitely before the iPod, wasn't a creative device, and was one of the easiest things ever to use. It was also card based so you didn't even need a USB cable and install drivers... Just plug it into a reader.
I then got a a creative nomad Zen (awesome little device)... First time I enjoyed carrying all my music around with me.
My only bad experience with ripping and copying was with a net minidisk player by Sony... It was horrific software that was loaded with DRM and prevented you from listening to tracks you "checked into" a minidisk. Artificially limiting mp3s to mimic physical medium, to "protect" themselves from piracy. Even then though Sony released and then tried to ban a standalone application that ripped and copied whole CD directly to the netmd, including tags, side stepping the concept of a library on the PC.
Re: Why in the hell are any of us stupid enough...
"Migrate now or you will be out of business pretty soon. The. Net stuff is for idiots, even MS Cannot manage to depend on one runtime version, SQL Server 2008 needed two versions of the runtimes, FFS!
Some of us in the real world don't have a choice. A lot of the client side software I write is c++, and some .net. The reason? Customers use Windows. All of them. Nobody has ever requested a linux or mac flavour. Not a single one of our customers use anything other than XP and Win 7. The reason for that? Validation. They all work areas where the OS (as well as our software) requires validation, both internally and often through government bodies. Sad fact is, Windows is standard for most client software. There's simply no business motive to make it cross platform. There is absolutely no chance of the business going under - none at all - for not supporting mac or linux.
I will say this though - as a company we're putting more functionality into setups where processing is done on the embedded hardware we sell, and therefore we can use more lightweight clients. Some decent JS frameworks means we're moving some stuff to browser based clients - it's slow going though, as it relies on customers to move with the times and validate more up to date browsers, and there are some things you just can't do from a browser that need to be done on the client - like cuda processing with massive datasets).
Personally - I don't have a problem writing .NET applications. I like CS, and I much prefer .NET to the java framework (which incidentally has a ton of runtimes too, plus a million add ons like java3d).
The .NET runtimes aren't massive in size/number. I'd also point out they (MS) don't try and trick you into installing Ask toolbars every bloody update either (I'm looking at you Oracle! *waves fist*).
Never used SQL Server, but my guess is it'll be bundled with various tools that were developed independently - hence the different .net targets... it's not rocket science.
Before I get slammed as some sort of microsoft groupie or something, I will point out for the record that I'm posting this on a machine totally free from microsoft software, with Eclipse open tinkering with some Java code.
Re: AV for Android
"And only the REALLY gullible think there are is no Android malware."
I know there is some android malware, but I also know I'm not stupid enough to install it, or think one of the "authentic" virus scanners is going to do anything more than giving me a false sense of security (which is what this is doing anyway).
The fact these people bought into a virus scanner that has bugger all access to anything important on your phone means they are the type of people who would install a virus willingly then blame the platform for the security "flaw". You're only as protected as the weakest point of entry... sadly for a lot mobile users (and PC) the user is the weakest point. That's true of any platform, not just android.
Re: Nice to see where things are going, but for now.......
"Kind of interesting, but how many hours of viewing do you get before you go over your broadband usage cap"
You still have a cap??
Not weird at all... I used to just open and close my 3a just to get another sniff of it. Still vividly remember the smell now.
Facebook - change the mobile app culture, not the symptom
"What many people don't realize is that Android's privacy model treats the SD card storage as a publicly accessible directory," Iyengar wrote. "This allows data to be read by any app (with the right permissions). Thus, external storage is normally not a good place to store private information."
Uh huh - and it's thanks to companies like Facebook that just ask for permission to everything for what is basically a wrapped up web browser. Most of the less technical/security minded people using Android will now allow blanket access to the SD card, contacts, location, sms data and services, because if they don't, they get the annoyance of using the mobile website.
Having said that, it's nice they're releasing stuff like this... just wish they would tackle the culture (cause) - not the symptom. Android's flexibility towards developers is a good thing, mega corp app developers making average users snow-blind to permissions by just asking for everything is not.
Re: Google to keep Motorola's Advanced Technology group
"Google is a data collection company - not a development one"
If you're splitting hairs then technically they're a advertising company. Data collection/development are the processes by which they target/sell more ads.
Re: 3D still being filmed using 2D methods?
I get what you're saying, the use of blurred foreground debris flying in front of a scene is very annoying in some films as your reaction is to look at it... And since you can't focus on it the stuff rips you out of the moment. I was just saying the point of 3D film wasn't to have an all-in-focus experience... Just to add depth... Hence the 3rd dimension atop of X and Y.
There are techniques with post and at capture processing to mimic all focused video, but film makers like to direct your gaze to the story and I'm guessing it'd be very expensive.
There are some major crimes against cinema with poorly done 3D films, but doesn't make them all bad.
To the downvoter, you could at least reply with your theory on what the 3rd D is.
Re: 3D still being filmed using 2D methods?
"The idea of 3D is it lets your own eyes do the focusing"
No... the whole point of 3D TV is to add a 3rd dimension... depth.
You're thinking of a hologram or some nifty Galafrayan Art (or stasis pictures) tech.
we still use notes.... :'(
... and the company bosses seem to have shares in IBM as they keep buying more IBM stuff, while everybody who has to use it weeps with every announcement.
Re: Religious Tolerance in the USA
"Well, I, for one, would not have wanted to be a muslim in the States in the aftermath of the September 11 detonations."
...... detonations? They were planes... not bombs.
I agree with the initial assessment, but I'd suggest it would have been much worse for muslims in Iraq & Afghanistan than in the US.
Re: So fix it!
"Firstly, the entry barrier is a lot higher for someone with almost zero knowledge. Back in the 80s, you switched on your machine, the BASIC prompt would come up and off you went, usually with something like:
10 PRINT "Hello World!"
20 GOTO 10
I don't believe it is higher. Today we have the net - google "learn programming" and there are sites out there that let you instantly start typing into the browser in the same way you did that with your computer. They also can track your development, you can choose simpler languages, more visual languages, more complicated concepts. You also have millions of people that can answer your questions.
A good example is this:
On top of that, computers are cheaper and more widely available than they were back then. I learnt basic, but I learnt it at school because we were way too poor to own a bbc micro... that self-learning on their machines also got me banned from using the computers at school. That stunted my learning of programming quite a bit and I almost forgot how much I enjoyed it for a year. These days they have schemes to get computers to poor families, libraries have them for free. Schools these days won't ban you for simply writing a bit of basic that had an infinite loop in it.
I miss the good old days too, but I am also excited about the opportunities modern tech will provide my two kids that I never got. I'm also looking forward to helping them through it too - something I never got with my parents, who didn't (and still don't) understand computers.
Or pay slickvpn (or a million other VPN sites) less than 20 dollars for 12 months of unlimited access to any site in the world from any country.
Hell of a lot easier than aws and scripts... takes 2 seconds to hit connect from US option.
As a subject, writing only appeals to a limited set of people – the aforementioned opinionated weirdos.
There’s a reason most journalists are portrayed as somebody who wouldn't know their arse from their elbow when depicted in the media. It’s because if you leave the dim writing nerd in charge of putting words to paper, he'll start muttering to the world, and others might actually believe the bollocks he writes.
Re: Who the hell cares?
The hair doesn't fall out over night - usually if you're going to go bald you normally have some sort of warning via family members losing theirs too, basically you come to terms with it way before it's gone.
"Paying users won't notice."
They will - the only time I ever have problems watching video is when using legal methods. I want to watch the Daily Show - region locked to US (fair enough I guess, but annoying as hell). I want to watch Netflix - device doesn't have the required hardware security chip to play it (WDTV Live Hub). There are loads of examples I can give, but why bother, these are ones that bothered me recently.
The alternative? Type "Next Big Film Title* 1080p torrent" into a search engine**, wait 20 minutes, copy to WDTV box, away we go, and for free! The only people this sort of crap affects is paying users, and maybe the first wave of crackers who love the challenge of bypassing (if not entirely cracking) media security anyway.
* Not an actual film title
** Google, as if you'd use Bing!
Re: re: *
Providing you also get the option to change your mind back (at the cost of wiping the phone clean) I'm all for this idea. Hell, I'd love to give win phone a go on my nexus 4 if they (Microsoft) released a rom or something for it... I may not stay on that platform, but I'd give it a go.
The problem (I've seen) with the more expensive winphone-only phones is you are asking people to give up what they know and take a chance on an underdog platform... I've yet to even toy with one, and I'm a gadget whore and always jump on the chance to play with these things.
If they made it less risky for flagship phone buyers (like going back to android if they hate it) - I think their numbers would increase a lot as a good portion will probably prefer it if done right - as in, all usual win features available to the install (and stable).
Re: Are people idiots?
Don't mind ads on the web, hate ads in apps on my phone. They take up more room, slower for older phones, and it'll cheapen my Nexus experience.
Having said that, it's an ad touting company, so get why they would do it... but I'll be switching to an ad free client (paid for if needed) until they revert the decision.
Re: @ Paul Shirley
Actually Turtle, you don't have to take the apps to be Android Compatible - you just need to pass a compatibility test - it's just most users (like yourself apparently) would expect an Android compatible device to have the google apps on there.
So you can be Android (compatible) without the apps installed, but you can't take the apps without being Android Compatible.
Re: Run As Administrator
"Have you tried running Win8 as a normal user."
You should try enabling family settings, just signing in is a nightmare. All the background services, manufacturer plugins/spyware/junk all triggering parent permission screens one after another.
Re: Due Diligence
"If they had bothered to try out a Surface for themselves they'd have known it was shit."
I had one as a toy (through work) to tinker with.... tried to use it as a daily tablet. It wasn't horrific, I actually liked it. I'd never pay what they were asking for it though, that's why it bombed I think. They were asking mid-range laptop money for a fairly limited heavy tablet. Sub £/$300 and they'd have had a decent response to it I think.
My main issues were fixable with the current gen... the number of stability bugs in the software/drivers (wifi randomly stopped working constantly and requiring reboots to connect again), and the snap-on keyboard-cover died within a couple of weeks of use (replaceable no questions asked by MS though).
No longer using it though, gathers dust in the office with a sign saying "free tablet".
Well yes, as nice as that would have been I would assume that wouldn't happen. :)
It doesn't stop them linking to the album or greying it out once your subscription is lapsed so you can purchase them later though.
I probably should have worded it better but my point was, I'd "added" a few new albums from artists that I'd not heard of before through their radio playlists, so when my subscription stops, will I at least have the option to buy them without having to remember what I've added when they just vanish without a trace.
Thanks for the link though, you'd found more on it than I had.
The "Add to library" option - I can't see in their help files whether those albums persist in your library once you've ended your subscription or not.
I've been playing with it this morning and I like it - if I was going to go full blown subscription it would need to be around the £6 mark though, not £8. Who knows, I might get hooked in the next 30 days.
"No, they did that too"
Yes, but in a repentant abusive husband sort of way. Totally different. Changed even.
Re: and a word in support of oneliner ifs
"When I were a lad we'd get the cane for writing "goto" on anything"
A cane? LUXURY!! The best we could 'ope for were a rusty iron bar, and we'd be grateful for it too!
Re: flick the phone over twice and the camera function automatically starts up
My Sony phone has this.
If nothing else I will miss that button and the image quality when I trash the buggy P.O.S next month.
Re: "OK Google"
I remember the leaked videos at one point had people saying "hello moto magic <command>".
Thank Lucifer they changed it.
Re: Poses some really interesting questions...
"Sharing of numpty's ip addresses between websites for an uber ban?"
"Because we all know that IP bans are effective and are personally identifiable information!"
An IP address is now a personal identification marker, given at birth, and only used by that one person to access the internets?
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