68 posts • joined 25 Jun 2010
Re: It's not that difficult..
I have always instantly lost respect for anyone who immediately comes back with a response of "You can't do that" or "that's impossible". These people need a fist pump to the face.
In my 20 years of building software I have not yet come across a problem I couldn't solve. Some problems have taken weeks, but eventually there is a way. But those people who immediately say "it can't be done" just hack me off.
I always take the approach that anything is possible, given enough time and money. Sometimes the timescales or budget limit what can be achieved.
I renewed my car tax on Monday without any issues.
I think this is more a case of people leaving renewal until the last possible moment, and then getting upset that the system has been cripped by tens of thousands of people who have also left it till the last possible moment.
You can renew your car tax for up to 4 weeks before the renewal date, so there is no excuse for leaving it till the last day.
Re: You get what you pay for
This seems to be the way Virgin Media deal with disconnections these days. You phone up and ask to cancel and they say "yeah that's fine, bye" and don't offer you any incentives to stay at that point. I think this is to weed out the people who are angling for a better deal.
Then 7-10 days later you will get a call from them asking if they can do anything to keep you.
In my scenario I wanted to cancel my TV package because the cost was a rip off, and we mostly watched Netflix. I wanted the Phone package gone because we only ever had call centers and charities ringing us. 7-10 days later my father started getting calls from Virgin Media asking him why he was cancelling, and could they do anything to keep him. Turns out that because I signed up with Virgin Media when I lived with my dad, just before I moved into my house (8 years ago), they had his phone number on file for me rather than the one on my account, which I had with them for 8 years. Needless to say they never got through to me so I didn't get the sales patter.
We do all realise that this is just a massive marketing ploy for Cameron Diaz' latest rom-com outing don't we?
Re: A Physicist and a Chemist
I guess a scientist of any discipline has experience and training in designing experiments to test hypothesis, and anaylysing the data to come to a conclusion about the success of that experiment and drawing out relevant facts from those results to support their hypothesis.
Therefore they are also trained in identifying the potential errors in data, or the method of collection, and are also able to highlight where the conclusions may be wrong or not fully supported by the data.
The crux here is drawing conclusions from data, and the scientists are probably better at this than a creative writer or history student.
So the question posed here is if a huge volume of CO2 released into the atmosphere over a period which did not see significant change in temperature recorded, then some other factors must have an impact on climate change which we are not fully aware of. i.e. was there something offsetting any increase in temperature caused by the CO2, or when increases were observed in the 80's and 90's was there some other factor at play. The results indicate that CO2 is not the cause/only factor/variable at play.
Eh? Are you saying they should delist parts of the article/page?
Google don't host the page, they have no control over the content of the page. So they can't censor the page which loads in the users browser. That idea has all sorts of wrong written all over it.
Google simply index the content of the page, and then weigh search terms against it. They could maybe add excluded keywords against a page, so that page doesn't come back for certain keywords, but the EU ruling is that the actual page should be removed from the index.
It could be that one of the commenters has requested the removal, because that comment they left has caused them over the years to miss out on job opportunities etc etc. So you weigh how important that information about ML is (it's no secret what happened, and there are articles all over the internet about it) against 1 guys struggle to shake off a comment he made 7 years ago.... that actually seems like a fairly straight forward call to me.
Exactly. You search that guys name and a fairly prominent result is his negative comments about ML, which he could regret.
Also, there is a guy by the same name (could be the same guy, or just the same name) who is by the looks of it launching a new politically related social app. He could probably do without any negative comments found when searching his name reflecting badly on him.
Imagine you are this guy trying to launch a business, or get funding. Someone searches your name and finds that negative looking comment... it could cause you issues.
So it's not beyond reason to assume this guy may have requested the removal of the page.
I'm just waiting for Hollywood...
How long before some screenwriter uses Google Glass as a plot device? You know the one "I am tied into every CCTV, Bank ATM, traffic light camera and all Google Glass' in the area, running facial recognition now, we will find him".
Re: Dear Moran
Erm, she was doing 80mph in a 65mph zone.
Using my rudimentary maths skills, that's like 15mph over.
I dislike her simply because of her self evident reality distortion field. She was stopped for speeding, and then the cop noticed the glasses, but she has tried sensationalism to get the backing of Google Glass lovers.
It's the Ribbon all over again
Maybe not quite, but I remember when MS brought out the Ribbon interface, and the world spat out it's dummy. I think MS back tracked a little, but then the Ribbon was rolled out as intended in Office 2010.
At the time I found the learning curve jarring, but the people I work with, less technical, found it a massive boost. Instead of having an encyclopedic knowledge of the drop down menus, they had the stuff they would use most often right in front of them. So MS did something good here, as far as I can see.
I think Metro could go the same way. El Reg users, i.e. power users may find it a pain, but your general office worker who does some point and clicking, bit of word, excel and some internet surfing will probably find it useful.
I reserve judgement until I see it in the wild.
And .NET aint going no where.
I am all for greater R&D on input devices
I work on a PC roughly 12-15 hours a day. I write code, and am constantly switching between keyboard, mouse, keyboard, Alt-TAB between windows, more mouse.
I have often wondered what it would be like to have interface devices or softare which works off eye tracking or gestures. I lack the knowledge on how to do this, but I can imagine the ability to switch screens or click button based on eye tracking, or switching between tabs and windows with a gesture. A camera could be mounted into a keyboard, so you could make gestures literally a few cms off the keyboard. That's a far more efficient movement than going for the mouse, and back to the keyboard again. Over a day that's a huge efficency boost for me.
OK, there needs to be work done to cut through the visual noise of an office environment, or not carry out a Ctrl+Alt+Delete when someone sneezes, but that's what R&D and refinement is about.
Early pioneers didn't quit on the internal combustion engine because "that petrol stuff can get a bit burny", so I am all for MS continuing work in this area, and not dropping it because of a few issues to be worked out
I want my Minority Report interface in the next 10 years.
Re: The next quarter will be worse
No, the complaint is (and this happened to me) is when threatening to leave, or rather just stating that you wish to terminate your contract, VM used the double speed as a carrot. In my case, they told me this was happening in July 2012. I have now checked the status to see what is happening and it has been put back to December 2012 - May 2013.
I don't care which rule book you go by, that's a bit underhand.
It's all bonkers
This cookies directive doesnt solve any problems.
So it's all about privacy, and not wanting your activities tracked online. The problem is that the reputable companies out the track anonymously for the purpose of improving their service,or earning some revenue for the service they provide for free. For example, el reg is provided to us for free, but it costs money to put this sort of service together. Someone has to pay for it.
Now, I doubt the less reputable companies out the are going to change their tactics, so a total fail there.
Secondly, what is it we are worried about? Walk into any shop in the land, and your shopping habits are logged, through epos. It's anonymous, but the shop owner knows how many people bought product x. Also, if the shop keeper wants to keep a tally of the number of customers who look at promotion y, he doesn't ask permission. I high steers up and down the countr footfall is monitored, and have you ever been asked permission?
Just because this is online ,doesn't mean there should be different rules to the real world.
This has just made life harder for small businesses, and done nothing to restrict those who do take advantage of the system.
I don't understand the problem...
Just throw a few twigs in a vase, throw some candles on the console, maybe a rug in front of the captains chair. Sorted. The little I have learnt about interior design from the wife are:
Twigs in a vase = Good
Empty vase on shelf = Good
Candles = Good (Candles should never be lit)
Cushions same colour as Candle = Very Good
Rug = Perfection
A pron disaster
So from the comments we have managed to develop a:
- 37" TV, suitable for bedroom usage (too big for kitchen, too small for living room)
- Siri voice control
- Movement/Gesture control and activation
- Built in camera for Face Time
Can anyone else see the potential for embarassing bedroom escapades?
I can pucture it now. Steamy scene in the bedroom, legs waving around all over, and groans of "Who's your daddy". Siri picks up "Phone Daddy", click, Face time, boom, Shame!
What.... Just me?
I don't need ABS
OK, I got sick of reading all the comments along the lines of "I know how to drive, I understand over/under steer etc so I don't need all this ABS/traction control/lane detection" bollocks.
Yeah you may be a good driver, but surely you feel a lot safer knowing that the other bunch of nupties around you driving 1.5 tonnes of metal have these safety features.
I don't think a huge percentage of the population understand how to pump the brakes in the event of the wheels locking up/losing traction on ice etc. And knowing how to do this, and doing so in the event of hitting ice is a completely different matter.
Oh, and regarding limp mode. I think most cars manufactured in the last 10-15 years has a limp home mode. It is there to protect the engine and mechanicals in the event of a failure being detected, which could cause further damage or loss of control if normal driving is continued.
In the authors instance, as soon as the problem occurred they should have pulled over safely (to ensure their own safety, and the safety of other road users), and then worked to resolve the issue.
That's my 2 bob/cents
Obviously they activated Airplane Mode, which severed all connection to reality, leaving them in what they believed to be their own little secluded bubble.
I'll get mine.
I pity the fool....
...who listens in on my day to day activities.
Mine's the one with the scrambler in the pocket
But.... The Reg told me in July...
...That sun spot activity was going to be at an all time low, and decades of cold winters were to come.
But now we have an impending peak between 2012-2014
Now I don't know what to believe.
Whats the beef with Daniel Craig?
Can someone explain to me why some people have such an issue with Daniel Craig?
I think what he has done with Bond is awesome. He is the only actor who has come close to portraying the British spy so tormented by the screams of the people he has killed, who drowns them out with booze and women.
The only time I can remember this being mentioned previously is Tomorrow Never Dies, when Terri Hatcher mentions something to bond about "do you still sleep with a gun under your pillow" and about him drinking vodka to drown out the screams.
All other bonds previously have been the pomped up versions that we all know and love, but don't do the weight of the character justice.
Imagine spending your days risking your life, being tortured and killing people by the bucket load. You would be a pretty heartless bastard is it didn't get to you, and you just romped your way through life adjusting your tie and throwing our pithy one liners.
I think Craig is closer to Flemmings bond than most people realise. He isn't Roger Moore, but then that sort of character wouldn't fit today.
Next you will be telling me that Christian Bale should be running around in purple spandex, with a cod piece shoved down his Y-fronts, because that's how batman was when you were a kid.
They thought that looks like an iPad?
I know this has already been said, but are they blind?
Have these apple lawyers even seen their own product? Just about the only similarity I can draw is that it's black on the front, and it has a screen. Jeez!
RE: We tried these in California...
The same thing happened to my father and his water meter.
He lives on a shared drive with 2 other houses, and the water meters are installed at the end of the drive way.
He realised after 5 years he had been paying for the water at the neighbours house. He only realised this after we (his kids) moved out but his water bill increased, at roughly the same time as the neighbouring house was bought by a family with 3 kids.
Turns out the meter numbers had been mixed up, so he was paying their bill, and they were paying his.
Of course once this was proved it was easy to get it sorted......
Maybe he just suddenly understood the Vista marketing message?
Mine's the one with "Bing It" written on the back.
Attempted hacking does not equal successful hacking
"Every 24 hours 600,000 Facebook accounts are subject to attempted hacking or violation, Facebook has revealed."
so 600,000 times per day Facebook detects someone trying to do something malicious. That is not to day that 600,000 times a day an account is hacked.
So this is pretty much useless information, as this is the stuff they are aware of. The stuff to worry about is the successful attempts which they are not aware of.
I am not defending Facebook here, but this is like saying "Would be thieves try the handles on 100,000 cars per day". So yeah, hackers may be rattling the handles and testing the locks, but that's not a successful hack in my book.
and 600,000 a day doesn't sound a lot for a site like facebook. Large sites like that will be a magnet for attempted hacking. A simple dictionary attack could account for a good few 100,000 attempts easily.
';drop table users
So as others have pointed out, this affects any website which takes info, stores in a DB, and then displays back to users. Well, any website that doesn't sanitise the input data.
Are there really still developers out there who don't sanitise the input and parameterise their queries?
I am a northerner, way up here in Newcastle
What is a cappuccino??
I love my streak
I have a feeling from the comments I am one of the few who feel this way, but I have a streak and love it.
I use it for web surfing, email, phone calls, text messages, the lot. I do get a lot of comments when using it as a phone, but thats normally along the lines of me looking like dom jolly.
I won't be giving up my Streak any time soon.
Should google worry?
As previously stated, Facebook search is shite.
Are they going to develop a search platform to rival Google? Google have a hell of a head start on them there.
Facebook may have the eyeballs, but who the hell looks at ads on facebook. Last time I looked the conversion rate of just impressions to clicks on FB was miserably low.
My wife is addicted to FB, and is probably a typical user. But her typical usage is
"Log in, check for notifications. Goto profile page. Add status about Ironing, or something to do with a menial task. Check notifications. Log off"
Repeat every couple of hours.
My wife must petrify Google....... not
@customer service is dire
I have the same package as you XL everything. I have the 50mb though.
I have no problems with the service (apart from the V+ Box regularly rebooting 10 minutes into my favourite programmes).
Broadband is rock steady. My boss lives just down the road and has BT broadband. After 4pm he is screwed. However, my connection flies.
Their customer service does suck however. Case in point, when I got the 50mb installed an engineer came out and installed it. 10 mins after he left, no internet. Call customer service, explained. "Oh, wait a few hours and it will be fine" I tried to explain it had been fine, but had since gone off. Anyway, several hours later, back on the phone for 3 hours. They tried to tell me that the engineer hadn't activated the modem with the server management team (or similar) and it would take 1 week to put a request in.
I had a running argument that I had internet in the morning, but since engineer visit I had nothing, therefore I wanted to downgrade back to normal BB. Eventually I got someone who knew what they were doing, and he ran a few tests down the line and got it working.
Similar story for my dad. New housing estate, and he was one of the first Virgin (telewest at the time) customers. As more people moved onto the estate, the broadband got slower, and then died. Several engineer call outs later, and them titting about with ipconfig etc, someone who knew what they were doing turned up. He worked out the extra load from new houses hooking up required the signal to be boosted. Job done.
So they do have good, reliable people working there. They are just hidden behind all the shite and riff raff.
If you never need their customer service, its a great service. As soon as you have issues, be prepared to battle to get what you want.
OK, some possible issues
What if I want to pour out only some of my files? Do I have to select the ones I want to pour first? if so, why wouldn't I just initiate a transfer as I pick the files.
What if the file I am transferring is a large file? Do I need to maintain the Pouring Position for the entirety of the transfer? What if I get cramp and need to move? "Transfer Interrupted"
The worrying thing here is that this seems more a patent on gestures between 2 devices. Surely as others have said, this will hinder competition and development of new/better products.
Hawaii Five 'O Does it all the time
They flick images from the big desk to screens, and put mobiles on the table and all the data just pours out.
If you don't believe me you can Bing it.
I get the feeling H5O is a big MS commercial.
Can't compare google and facebook
From my personal experience (so user base of 1) if I want to find something, or buy something, I use Google. If there is an ad which seems relevant to what I want to buy/find I will click the ad. That generates some revenue for Google.
This happens quite a lot.
I use Facebook once in a blue moon to see what friends are up to. I never look at the ads, and have never clicked on one that's for sure.
At work, we tried facebook ads. The click through was poor. Loads of impressions, half a dozen clicks. You could argue it was the ad, but on google ads we had a good click through rate, and good conversion. We would never use Facebook ads again, we would use Google ads again.
If I could go to facebook, and search for products or services, and then see reviews of those products or services from my friends, that may be attractive. That way, I may click to buy, and so generate revenue for Facebook.
So I just cannot see how Facebook can generate the revenue to command this valuation. Google has monetised their platform well. Facebook is a long way of monetising theirs, and I don't know if they ever can effectively.
Put it this way, If I was down the pub talking to my mates, I don't want someone whoring their goods and getting in the way.
Ref Rivers freezing
This last winter parts of the River Tyne froze over, not completely, but big chunks and areas frozen.
Personally, I am looking forward to the jobs generated when the rivers freeze and we have channel 5 making the all new "Eddie Stobbarts, Geordie Ice Road Truckers".
They did him a favour
The lad obviously has a talent, and now with their stupidity they have helped bring him world wide attention.
I hope he goes far. would be great to see him in 5 years time with a mainstream animated movie release, and this story coming up again making the school board look like total pricks
Improved his luck
How unlucky was this guy previously, that he was driven to the extreme lengths to try burying himself?
At least he proved how unlucky he was!
In seriousness though, he had a kid, and it doesn't matter how stupid it was we must remember that child has lost their dad.
From original article on the story
The sequence of events seem to have been:
Hacker demos security flaw by hacking fellow hackers Facebook and gaining access to photo of said hackers wife.
OUCH! This is done in front of an audience. Much hilarity ensues, aren't we clever, ha ha.
Complaint is made to the police. "Hey, this guy has hacked my account and popped a photo of my wife up on the big screen. Please beat him forthwith"
Police investigate, and find that a nice journo has documented the whole deal.
Now, this bit is speculation but:
Copper: "Hey there nice journo, we are investigating this complaint, and we hear you might have evidence documenting what went on"
Journo :"Yeah, what about it."
Copper: "Can we see what you have"
Journo: "No. BTW, this is starting to look like a good story for me"
Copper: "Come on. play ball. Let us see the info so we can get this cleared up"
Journo: "No. You ain't got nuffin on me copper"
Copper: "Your coming in for questioning sun shine. Your nicked"
Journo: "get IN! This is a much better story for me than this pesky conference"
Meanwhile, photo of hackers wife is still doing the rounds. And Hacker number 1 has jumped on a plane.
I think many commenters have missed the point of the original complaint.
decided to "target another researcher, Chris Gatford, with whom he has a long-running feud."
And in that title lies the argument.
Expose security problems all day long, that's a good thing. any work which can be done to secure systems and data is great.
However, as soon as you demonstrate security issues by targetting an individual who has not given you their permission to do so, you are on dodgy ground.
By all means demo the flaw by setting up a facebook account in your name, or an alias, but do not hack someone else's details.
That's akin to saying you have found a flaw in your local banks security, and you are going to demonstrate the problem by robbing an associates secure deposit box.
So to recap. Exposing security flaws = good. Targetting a competitor with said flaw = bad.
RE:David Barrett and BrownishMonstr
I was simply stating that in the context of this thread I thought that comment about boot was quite funny.
If you care to read the comments other people have left, you will pick up on the number making reference to capitalisation, generic products and terms. In the grand scheme of things, that comment was funny.
However, it looses the humour somewhat when it has to be explained.
BTW, I don't think the Boot family would have had many problems with the local footwear emporiums kicking about in the late 1800s.
PS a store that sells drugs is... Boots.
Ha, that's the funniest comment in this whole thread.
It's a drug store, referred to by a generic term for a clothing item, which has been coined as a trademark by making the initial letter a capital!
These figures can be interpreted so many ways. The guys with the high figures could actually just have a really good handle on their breaches (by handle I mean they have properly logged how many happened, they don't necessarily have any idea how to deal with it). The other trusts with the lower figures, could have so many breaches swept under the carpet, not logged, reclassified as minor breaches, or just have a load of breaches which have gone completely unnoticed.
So these figures are pretty pointless, no?
I often wonder...
...in movie/tv land do they have certain IP addresses they are allowed to use in shows?
You know like when they use an airline, frequently Oceanic is used. A fictional airline that only exists in TV land.
The reason I ask about IPs is, in shows like CSI or Crimial Minds, the line "We have traced the users IP address" is often followed by something like "439.298.876.459"
Do they do this so that they don't use a possible, real IP address, and accidentally go announcing it to the world, only for it to go and get pinged to hell by IT geeks with nothing better to do with their time?
Oh, and I do love the scenes in Die Hard 4 where you can hack a high profile government installation using 2 USB cables, a PS/2 connector and a BNC. Old School!
Credit Card Details not Held, apparently.
This statement appears in CRC Terms and Conditions under the heading "Credit Card Security"
"When your order is processed your encrypted credit card number is removed from the web server.
This means that there is no way that someone can obtain your credit card number from CRC so you can order with confidence!"
So assuming this is a true statement, the card number is encrypted wherever it is stored. It states "removed from Web Server" and not database, so I would make the wild assumption that maybe the number is stored in Session for the life cycle of the order processing, and once complete the session is wiped.
This leads me to believe, again assumptions galore, that the site uses a 3rd party payment provider, which they integrate with via an API. The card details are entered onto their site, and then communication with a 3rd party server takes place "in the background".
This should mean that they should comply with the highest level of PCI DSS as they are both storing (in session) the details and transmitting the details to another location for processing.
I personally never handle card details in ecommerce sites I have developed. Far better to offload the whole thing to a reputable payment service provider, via a hosted solution, so you never have to touch, store or see the details ever. If your systems never have that data, then you can never compromise that data.
However, I must add that if you do use a 3rd party provider, you still need to undergo PCI DSS and complete a Self Assessment, and you are responsible for verifying the PCI compliance level of your 3rd party provider.
But I ask the question. Why am I made to jump through all these PCI hoops, scans and checks, but when instances like this happen with big e-tailers, nothing ever seems to happen. I bet if something like this happened to the little guy, there would be many lashes received.
Swings and Roundabouts
It seems like anyone can take the facts and spin them however they want to support or criticise the iPhone. but at the end of the day the facts (in my humble opinion are):
Put a human water bag next to an antenna and you get detuning (This is not a smartphone phenomenon)
Make a human water bag touch the antenna, and the detuning is worse.
Bridge the void between 2 separate antennas and you get further detuning
This detuning in itself is not enough to cause serious signal loss. However, couple that signal loss with an already low signal and you get sufficient signal loss to cause problems.
So all smart phones have this issue with detuning. Apple said this. It just so happens that Apple put their antenna(s) on the outside.
So in the situation where you have:
Human meat sack + bridged antenna + low signal area = Dropped calls
However, from what I have heard (as I do not have an iPhone 4) the iPhone 4 for the most part has far superior reception in most cases, death grip or not. Combine that however with bridging, and low signal, and maybe a fair distance from the cell tower and you get dropped calls.
So my summary of all this is iPhone 4 has a nice design and the antenna on the outside in the most part produces good results. However, throw a low signal in there along with the detuning and you have dropped signal.
At the end of the day I have a Dell Steak, so I better move on now and charge it for the second time today.
By the way, I cannot use my smartphone in my living room. The kitchen is fine, but the living room is a no. It doesn't matter how I hold it, or which chair I stand on, or whether I am swinging from the lamp shade or not, it won't get a signal. What's that about?
Thank you Google...
For making my point.
In a recent Gadget Show, Jason was predicting the big changes to tech in 2011. One prediction was that the majority of us would be using cloud computing services, and hardly anyone would store their files, photos, music locally any more. My reaction was along the lines of "b@llocks" because although I use GMail for example, and love that I can access my email from anywhere in the world, via my phone, on the PC etc I also have a local backup using IMAP just in case.
My mate on the other hand is more than happy to entrust all his data to these services, because they "back it all up" and "they aren't likely to let anything go wrong are they or their reputation is on the line".
2 days later, thanks google. I love your email product, but I like to hang on to my data also. I won't be uploading my life to the cloud any time soon. (read ever).
I have no doubt Google will claw back as much of the data as possible, but incidents like this prove that things go wrong. And yes, google mail is free which is tremendous, but issues can still arise in paid for services also. In those cases however some compensation may be in order. You can still lose your data though.
That seemed like a hell of a leap. System allows users to suggest translations of a piece of text. Oh no, the haxors are going to use this to launch some kind of malicious attack on the site..... oh hang about, it's just plain old text.
No one tell this guy that Google allow users to type queries into a text box on their home page. Oh no, SQL injection attacks imminent!
Get your facts straight.
It turns out that they were going to let the guy travel with the weapon. A supervisor was heard saying "Let him take it, no one could cause any damage with that".
However, they quickly reversed this decision when they realised Chuck Norris was lining up to clear security.
Have more respect for Chuck.
Oh Dear. If you made a comment like that these days, god knows what would happen.... Just make sure there are no open mics knocking about.
"but you think you can trust a taxi driver"
Do you? Really?
This one time, at ASDA
I remember shopping in ASDA one day and looking at headphones or something. Behind me the conversation went as follows:
Customer: "I am looking at this blue ray player, but do I need an HDMI cable for that?"
Clerk: "You only need that if you have an HD telly. You can just use normal cables" <- Normal cables anyone?
Customer: "I have an HD telly"
Clerk "No, it will be HD ready. All TVs are just HD ready, because there is no HD yet."
Customer "...... oh"
Clerk "......mad isn't it"
The clerk then moved to me and asked if I wanted any help. As I was looking at noise cancelling headphones, I thought the conversation I could have had would be tremendous, but I just walked on.
Having also been through PCI, with several providers and setups I also cannot see how this is possible. Surely the most basic vulnerability tests would have picked this up?
When filling out the SAQ did they just skip past the bit about the security or encryption around their database. Did they even declare that they store these details? That should have unleashed a world of hurt with their PCI.
I for one will always go down the route of never touching, seeing or being anywhere near a customers card details. Hire a PCI compliant payment provider, and just have them tell you when the money has been taken.