78 posts • joined Thursday 24th June 2010 10:17 GMT
Re: Hire peanuts, paid monkeys
and just how many IT projects in general go wrong because of that? Or, maybe more frequently, a "manager" or project "executive sponsor" who can barely spell IT but wants to write the spec?
Re: You're both right.
@AC to a point: maybe they're really angry because of course taking the piss out of the law is what MPs are for.
"Is Lord Reid a fucking idiot?"
I don't know. Is rain wet?
only the lowest of the low of the scum end of the political class would try to make political points on this. Oh, look, John Reid. Was expecting the real low-lives like Prescott or Livingstone - or a complete fool like Galloway.
Political idiot reaction to this incident? Ooh, look, an opportunity to get on TV and talk cr*p.
Local reaction to this incident? Keep calm and carry on (apart from a few overheated comments from a very small number of people -and when the EDL started making noise the other night, most people locally said they'd only make things worse and give more publicity to criminal acts so they should shut up and go back to the hole they emerged from)
I know which attitude I prefer.
Re: But, but, but...all payment involves the payee in costs
credit cards are not a single payment type if different cards cost different amounts to process, they are multiple types ...
easier fix: make the companies in question show their actual costs for processing each payment type, explain "yes mr customer if you pay cash it'll cost us 10p, debit card 25p, personal card 2.3%, company card 2.8% - oh, and because we use dial-up, the phone line costs X whereas if we used IP it'd be Y, and keeping track of those difference costs us a few hours a quarter of management time so we have to factor that in too. The phone number for your bank's "business banking payment systems are too complex" complaints department is ..... "
Re: So you can write drivers in Java now?
"Of course, barking mad is something else. It would seem that you need a touch of the barking to make it into executive and senior management positions these days. No suggestion too stupid or mad. No common sense required." I thought that was a requirement for writing IT marketing materials?
Re: But, but, but...all payment involves the payee in costs
"If you pay by credit card, they pay a credit card fee." - which may vary depending on whether it's a consumer card or a corporate card, and depending on card brand may not be accepted at all. Charge cards like Amex are a different breed, too ...
"If you pay by cheque they (almost certainly) pay a cheque processing fee - and have to fill out payin slips etc. which takes time." so take the 30s it takes to fill out a paying in slip multiply it by checkout staff wage, add the processing fee and you have the cost
"If you pay by cash, they have to sort the cash, take it down to the bank, stand in line and (quite possibly) have to pay a fee for depositing it" - so again, take the actual time needed (again, maybe 30s or so) & multiply by checkout staff wage, add any fee, and you have the cost
"If you pay by debit card, they pay a small fee." 25p or so, not £5 or so though ...
If they want these regulations to work, won't it mean companies will have to actually handle differentiated pricing based on whether you are paying by corporate or personal cards, for example?
they've reserved the right to ignore things they don't like
sorry for replying to myself but digging deeper in to their sh - sorry, site, this may be of interest to some:
Couple of key bits:
We use Heritrix and the crawler’s User Agent should identify itself as ‘bl.uk_lddc_bot’.
(b) it is made available to the public by a person and any of that person’s activities relating to the creation or the publication of the work take place within the United Kingdom.”
So, you work in the UK and build content for someone in the US, they can claim access to password-protected content hosted in the US, just because you do the work in the UK.
What bunch of idiots wrote these regulations? Names should be attached to this sort of garbage to they can be sued for stupidity.
This is not always a Good Thing, for the reasons you have given. They should not be copying websites as of today, and claiming that's the final version of the website, and website owners should be allowed to require them to update content on demand and remove all older versions of works that have been scraped in an older form. Oh, and if they are copying content for which you charge for access (they can demand password access it appears), and allowing other people to read it, unless there is a requirement for them to give you the full name and other details of each person so you can collect the money you are owed, that's just stupid.
There's more info at
Follow the links from there and you find this little gem:
"A publisher must also deliver a copy of any computer programs, tools, manuals and information—such as metadata, login details, and a means of removing individual DRM technical protection measures—that are necessary for using and preserving the publication."
So, if you build your website on top of an Oracle database, you have to give them a copy of Oracle? If you did graphics with Adobe Creative Suite you have to give them that?
Only a complete idiot could have approved these rules, Mr Vazey.
Re: It strikes at the core of the small enterprise space...
spoke to them about a similar issue a couple of months ago, and was told that if a given host will never, under any circumstances, run Oracle, it does not need to be covered but (big but) if VM mobility / migration to a given host is possible so that it might run Oracle, it does need to be covered.
Customer went with a different solution anyway :)
Re: What about forums on news related web sites?
in the amendments to the Crime and Courts Bill, there are some relevant definitions:
"A person who is the operator of a website is not to be taken as having editorial or equivalent responsibility for the decision to publish any material on the site, or for content of the material, if the person did not post the material on the site"
"The fact that the operator of the website may moderate statements posted on it by others does not matter for the purposes of subsection (3)."
There is also:
"Special interest titles
4 A person who publishes a title that—
(a) relates to a particular pastime, hobby, trade, business, industry or
(b) only contains news-related material on an incidental basis that is
relevant to the main content of the title."
in the exemptions.
so things like The Register are probably safe - IF that amendment goes through without being changed at the behest of people who don't know how to change a PIN number.
Re: I wonder
"For too long the public's perception of cyber crime has been a lone bedroom hacker stealing money from a bank account," security minister James Brokenshire"
Whereas everyone knows if someone is stealing from your bank account, you probably bank in Cyprus and it's probably the EU doing the stealing
that's an interesting conversation then :)
Having said that, if the ISO code for the UK is "GB", then ISO "GB" belongs to the UK.
Still more than a little unfair to those who are in Northern Ireland ...
Re: Minority report?
yes and no (sorry).
The argument should not apply in the case where "I" commit an criminal offence: I should be prosecuted - by the Police/CPS, as they are the people charged with enforcing criminal law (not charities, for example, who have no business crying poverty then paying lawyers more than minimum wage). In this case, surely these are civil offences, so isn't suing infringers the correct way forward? However in this case the judge has effectively decided that site access should also be denied to those who have done no wrong: if EMI etc want to stop this sort of thing, they should sue the individual infringers against whom they have specific, lawfully-gathered (no snooping on people's web traffic by anyone other than a warrant-holding police/security officer), and if they are too lazy to do that, they should be told to go home and stop wasting the courts' time.
I wonder what would happen if someone who merely liked the adverts shown on one of the sites in question and never downloaded a thing then sued BT for blocking access to site without any evidence of wrong doing? Would the same judge support suppression of free speech?
Re: I thought
yes i'm bored
Re: I thought
Timewatch: Atlantis - The Evidence, with Bettany Hughes. Was on iPlayer a couple of weeks ago, not sure if it still is.
Re: Parental Responsibility
don't forget amanfrommars, that could be .. interesting ..
speaking of people who may or may not have overstayed their welcome, can you please - please? - keep Piers Morgan over there?
Re: Purpose of the fine
a good and valid point: still doesn't address the issue that the responsible people don't actually pay the fines personally, which is simply unjustifiable.
Anyone remember the Yes Minister about "failure standards"? The proposal slipped to the minister in a brown envelope was to make a named individual responsible for the success - or failure - of a given project (which should extend to task or role). Even allowing for the fact it was a TV comedy show, it's depiction of the entire civil service (both national and in local government) being horrified at that thought is clearly true, and almost certainly extends to the quangos and almos that run half of the public sector, otherwise any sensible government (of whichever party, the series was made in the 80s so all three major parties have had a chance by now) would have done it. Another reference from same series? The opposition in parliament is the "opposition in exile": the bureaucracy is the "opposition in residence".
"Like forcing the head honcho and the head of IT/data protection to write to every council tax payer or member in a dedicated letter explaining what they did, what went wrong, how sorry they are, and what they are doing to ensure future compliance"
better still if the letter has to refer explicitly to the implications for each specific recipient, and the heads of department / responsible individuals have to write the letters themselves, on their own time and with no assistance, and pay for the paper, ink and stamps out of their own pockets, and be given a limited time for letters to be received (not just allegedly sent)
Fines are a really silly idea for punishing public sector / quangos, because the individuals concerned don't pay them. A publicly named single individual should be responsible for DP compliance in those organisations, and be held liable for the fines. If they can't afford to pay the fine, then go up the management chain as far as it takes to collect it, ultimately the elected people responsible for oversight should have to pay if the fine can't be collected lower down. And it needs to be a "one strike and you are out" rule; you mess up with public information & privacy, you are not allowed to work with public data ever again.
on the other hand, we could wait until EU auditors sign off their accounts before allowing them to make any new rules or impose anything whatsoever.
That'll be 26409.
Re: Why can't I sign my own stuff?
welcome back, Mr Urquhart. (Who's that American guy stealing your lines, by the way?)
Re: What I want to know is...
I've told you once.
On the other hand, given what veber seem to be trying to do, maybe this is the room for abuse
Re: Slowly closing the gap with Microsoft Office?
given the people who work at PC World are probably unaware of alternatives to MS Office, to the extent some of them can't spell IT anyway, maybe their customers should get some slack. At least they aren't actually paid to work with IT products, the way the muppets are. (If you disagree with the muppet point of view, go into PC World Tottenham Court Road and ask for a PC that doesn't come with a pre-installed OS, and wait for them to say "what?"
Or just ask about non-Windows/Mac software
Or, if you're really feeling cruel, ask them to justify £15 for network cables you can buy online for 80p .... )
Re: Oh, for the love of God...
", it must be a nice gig being Apple's outside counsel for intellectual property law..."
Very, they clearly have nor need intellect and are not in any meaningful sense* lawyers to a global business - "an unjust law is no law" etc should equally apply to service marks / trademarks / patents, and any lawyer who isn't just a windup would have told them not to bother with this nonsense
* i.e. they haven't considered any law outside the USA, or just how laughable this makes their client
no, not a season ticket user - but that shouldn't matter anyway.
i don't see any reason why non-season ticket users should not get compensation when train companies cant get their acts together. My usual route is on South Eastern, and they have one of the best scams ever - claiming to offer repayments on delays, but only offering credit against future journeys (so, not repayment) and only if delay more than 30 mins (so, not if delayed).
"top Labour MP"
this is Diane Abbott, right? The one who was on Today going on about how some breakfast foods contain up to nearly 33% sugar - so the packaging needs clear marking for ordinary people to understand that means nearly a third of it is sugar. I did wonder if she really had suggested that "ordinary people" can't cope with the fact that "nearly 33%" means nearly a third but thankfully she said it again. So, "top Labour MP" Diane Abbott thinks ordinary people are stupid. Who voted for her again?
Oh, the ordinary people.
Re: twitter.fr vs Twitter Inc
they could - and they'd look incredibly petty for doing so (if they've been following UK courts when it comes to Internet stuff, they can learn how to do that really quickly). Alternatively they should prove they have jurisdiction over content published in other countries - or, more logically, they should simply claim jurisdiction over the person responsible for "importing" the content to France. That opens a new can of worms, of course. Or rather, cans of worms.
Still doesn't sort an issue raised by the second area i mentioned - people from outside the UK suing each other in UK courts because a website, merely accessible from UK but not hosted, edited or controlled from here, is visible from here. Only an idiot judge would claim such a website is published here wouldn't they -but some have?
Where is a website published? Take a site hosted by Amazon EC2 multiple locations in the US, having a Swedish domain name, but edited by someone in UK today but Ireland tomorrow, accessed via a TOR connection that could go pretty much anywhere, with content cached left right and centre? Where is that content published? A book isn't published in the UK simply because I can flick through it on the bookshelves of Foyles on Charing Cross Road.
twitter.fr vs Twitter Inc
An IP geo-lookup on the first IP address i got for twitter.fr shows it being located in San Francisco. The one in the US, not the one in France. If there is one in France. It looks a little like we have a French court ordering a US company to make changes to a US-hosted website, because of something that is not an offence under US law, and fining it if it does not obey. Let's hope Twitter management have a sense of humour, and removes all physical assets from France, and publishes it's twitter.fr T&Cs from California. with English as the only authoritative version, embedding something unpleasant like the right to send unlimited advertising to twitter.fr users as a way to recover the costs this court is trying to impose.
This is almost as ridiculous as Russian / Ukrainian / etc oligarchs being able to sue each other in UK courts for things that didnt happen in UK.
Re: Don't vote for politicians @AC 04:48
I seem to remember a PJ O'Rourke book "Don't Vote! It just encourages the b*stards!")
Re: I've talked to one of these Colins
read your other article, and am not surprised you got that sort of response - not because of article itself, that simply points out the folly of the scam. Sorry, scheme.
If your correspondent were more honest she/he would've said "we have very few home-grown global Internet champions, because our legislation about languages, working hours and so on could not have be better designed to prevent startups that have even a dream of going global, so let's just try to tax everyone else's - sod EU law about cross-border trade, the only bits of EU law that apply to us are the ones we want. Now the cherry-picking of EU law is wrong, the British must not be allowed to suggest it, we don't do that.
We just choose which bits we want to enforce and which bits we want to ignore, completely different thing."
Re: economy plan
don't forget that Perl script, as used in a commercial context, would have to be in French.
If Facebook / Google got any sense, they'll simply open a specific subsidiary for handling French customers. Then put a line item in it's accounts of 99% turnover for complying with silly language laws (Toubon etc), and make sure the French subsidiary actually makes a loss. Oh, and make sure it has no employees or physical assets.
Or just charge French subscribers, and wait for French politicians to scream about EU single market etc - even though France itself is one of the biggest obstacles to the proper implementation of that single market.
Re: Certainly noticed problems in London
me too - switching phone to 2G and back again brought service back, which is just silly.
What was even sillier (and i probably should apologise to vodafone customer services for an email they got) was that while trying to see if there was an issue i was wandering around vodafone's support site, and got a "customer satisfaction survey" popup - which covered the entire screen on phone and meant i couldn't read support page!
there's a reason Private Eye calls them Crapita.
Re: That's strange
figures must be wrong then.
Even for hyper-expensive leased line DIA, virgin media's promised 45-day install took .. wait for it (yes, we certainly did) from late July until mid-February.
If their broadband is like that, the figures are definitely wrong :-)
hang on a minute ..
This is public data held by publicly-funded bodies?
Why isn't it all in public domain already, and why aren't the officials who have failed to make it available before now either personally funding this from their own pockets/pensios, or merely sacked with loss of all pension and access to state benefits?
Re: Charge them for the costs
"Cut their funding by at least the amount it cost."
That will not work. Funding goes to ministry/service/department. The costs need to be deducted from actual staff salaries and pensions, and the people affected named and paraded on TV. If they are staring at starvation they may remember they are supposed to be defending human rights and democracy before supporting shtuff like this. If being on TV affects their personal security, good. Might stop them promoting this kind of nonsense.
Good riddance to bad ideas
"Now we have a treaty without signatures, containing important details on international roaming and billing intended to support telecommunications in developing countries who are vulnerable without it."
And the people who scuppered it, by trying to enable / promote censorship and oppression (for example, filtering of pro-freedom of religion websites in Saudi Arabia, or pro-democracy sites in China) should be forced to go to said developing countries and explain to people, one by one, that suppressing their own citizens is far more important than empowering others who do not share their beliefs.
Re: was there at the weekend
interesting idea: couple of caveats - don't sell gift cards / vouchers for a start! You could also setup concessions for manufacturers to rent, look at putting together financing packages that survive retailer demise (that can be done, although given derivatives are a bad word these days the ability to resell credit agreements is not an unuseful thing), and work out pass-through transactions so even though people have used your physical portal they are not actually your customer but are buying direct from manufacturer. You'd have to put in an amount of protection - UK-based subsidiaries of manufacturer should be on the hook for liabilities, and required to have stock in UK for any goods that are offered for sale in UK, with a customer acquiring a lien on goods at time of purchase if money taken.
@Philippe / Captain
the site says sale starts soon - but then again, didn't it always say that anyway?
No they aren't still selling the gift cards/vouchers any more, but it's bad luck for anyone who bought one last week. Although according to BBC the other day if they were purchased by card you may be able to get refund from card provider ...
would be a good day to announce a bonfire - sorry, fire sale.
As of this morning they're not honouring gift vouchers, and anything purchased but not delivered is only going to be delivered if it is in a distribution centre, otherwise tough - even if you have paid for it.
Hopefully the administrators are being paid in comet gift vouchers, as - like most administrators - they are not in any way interested in protecting customers, just keeping as much of customers' money as possible, even if goods haven't shipped or don't work.
Got a faulty device from them? Best of luck! "The repair operations are continuing and we will seek to complete the repair and return the item" Note "seek", not "we will complete". Goods delivered damaged? Tough. Goods DOA? talk to manufacturer, we're too important to deal with you, it's not as if we're now running the company that took your money, after all. Oh, wait a minute .. we are, but we're going to make sure we get paid before actually behaving honourably towards that company's customers.
Siri, is the patent office a bunch of incompetent fools who'll grant a patent for stringing words together into a question then seeking an answer? That's a lot of pub quizzes, TV shows and so on that are in trouble.