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Stunned by Shellshock Bash bug? Patch all you can – or be punished

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And this is a problem why exactly?

So, just tell them in writing it's not vulnerable? Or better yet put a message somewhere on your main support site...

And, just because they are running windows, doesn't mean they are not vulnerable to stuff embedded in products.

Which is easier when making your previously UNIX only product run on windows, re-write all your scripts in powershell or compile and ship a bash interpreter for windows and just change some paths...

Cygwin based services can use bash, including apache with cgi etc.

These things can happen in the real world.

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Relive the death of Earth over and over again in Extinction Game

Justicesays

£8.63 from WHsmith, which is probably a more open format.

As a Tor UK Imprint it should be DRM free, although I don't see it on their "Buy Direct" list, nor is it listed as DRM free on the Amazon UK site. Maybe someone should mail Tor about that.

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Microsoft splurges 2½ INSTAGRAMS buying Minecraft maker Mojang

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Although Mojang might not have made any money...

Pretty sure I saw somewhere that Notch had personally put away $100mil from Minecraft, so I assume much of the "potential profit" part of the revenue was distributed to the founders and/or employees via various mechanisms.

As you might expect for a privately owned company.

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US! govt! ordered! Yahoo! to! hand! over! user! data! or! pay! $250k! fine! PER! DAY!

Justicesays

Actually

I'm not sure exactly how no-one would find out about it if your company was paying $250k a day in fines and still expected to submit accurate financial reports.

Once it got out that you were paying $250k a day in fines to a secret court no one can talk about it would become pretty obvious what that money was for...

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Echopraxia scores 'diamond cutter' on the sci-fi hardness scale

Justicesays

Re: I don't think the author really understands the Coriolis Effect

"In the first quote, where something is thrown 'across the compartment' , the effect of rotation wouldn't turn it into a curveball; it would still follow a straight path _across_ the compartment, but instead would just appear to fall or rise at a different rate, depending on the direction in which it was thrown."

Only if you are reading "across the compartment" as "exactly perpendicular to the axis of rotation", which is unlikely to be the case.

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Not a load of Tosh: 5TB 'surveillance drive' from Toshiba hits shelves

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Devil

Re: It'll outlive me!

This has been extensively tested via their time machine of course.

And not by hooking up 1000 of them for 2 months and taking stat's from that (after throwing away the ones that failed in the 2-3 weeks.) I'm sure.

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Feel free to BONK on the TUBE, says Transport for London

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Re: Pay By Phone

Barclaycard ( in conjunction with Orange) offer a "Quick tap" NFC app on certain phones , I think thats about it though.

You can get a "PayTag" (which is the contactless part of your card on a sticker you can stick on your phone case) and an app to manage it (also available from Barclays, other banks may also have this).

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'Unsolicited texts' outrage: Man fined £4k for DPA breach

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FAIL

Re: Not charged for SPAM txts?

http://ico.org.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/marketing/texts

http://ico.org.uk/enforcement/action/texts

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Windows 7, XP and even Vista GAIN market share again

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Trollface

Re: MS should have

As I lie back in my chair, moving my mouse an infinitesimal amount to switch between stories, while tiny motions of my finger on the mouse wheel cause whole pages to roll smoothly by, I often dream of those days in the future where I will be hunched over my desk, swiping oily fingers across the 22" screen while my outstretched arm waves around the room like some demented conductor.

What a boon the touch screen is for desktop computers, and how nice of Microsoft to fully support that dream of mine by making it harder and harder to use mice.

How forward looking of them to drive users to typing their desired applications into text boxes, and encourage them use hot keys by removing any obvious visual cues, while simultaneously pushing keyboard-less devices.

This strategy is without flaw.

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US Supremes just blew Aereo out of the water

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WTF?

Re: Bad Decision

Not sure I follow your chain of logic here.

If I sell you a DVR, and you use it, thats fine.

If I rent you a DVR, and you use it, thats fine.

If I rent you a DVR at my house, *and you use it via a long cable* , that is also fine.

If I also rent out DVRs to a couple of other people in just the same way, I am now a criminal...

Also totally legal to rent multiple people DVRs at their houses as well of course, even though this does allow multiple people the ability to watch copyright material almost as soon as it is transmitted...

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Kingston DataTraveler MicroDuo: Turn your phone into a 72GB beast

Justicesays

To be fair to the Nokia 820

It does have a microSD card slot, so the ability to attach USB-OTG storage devices won't be a huge priority for the owner, as compared to some of the non-slotted 8GB droid or apple phones

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Big Blue's GPFS: The tech's fantastic. Shame about the product

Justicesays

Re: GPFS versus ZFS

RAID 6 gives protection against bad data reads as well, as it has three methods of determining the correct data for a given block on an unfailed array, and can use the two that agree, assuming the specific implementation supports that. Even with just two data points (RAID 5 or single disk failed RAID 6), if its a transitory error, you can repeat the reads until the two agree, mark the block(s) up for special attention by a disk maintenance daemon, and then carry on.

Some RAID 6 implementations (such as the Netapp one) have a smaller overhead than others, they can use a diagonal disk stripe due to their RAID 4 style underlying layout rather than the computationally intensive standard method (although RAID 4 has its own performance challenges).

Given the size of current disks and the expected rebuild times, we are likely to need RAID-7 in the next few years (apparently) to maintain the expected data loss chances. At least with spinning rust. If we all move to SSD's then that may be less of an issue due to faster rebuild times.

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Justicesays

Re: GPFS versus ZFS

Not sure where you developed your requirements from...

A raid 6 setup with industry standard raid scrubbing would also resolve your issues, and would mean you could have sourced from almost any vendor out there. My personal preference is Network Appliance for a SME scenario, not too expensive and pretty easy to set up and maintain.

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Justicesays

Scalable is the idea

GPFS gets its performance and scalability from the number of nodes in the set up.

IBM do of course have a scalable file server offering to go with GPFS. It's called SONAS , and is essentially a load balanced nfs/samba set up fronting a bunch of GPFS nodes. I wouldn't say it is easy to set up either, and I imagine it also costs plenty, most things from IBM do.

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Puking! protester! forces! Yahoo! 'techie! scum!' to! ride! vile! bile! barf! bus! to! work!

Justicesays

Obligatory Niven reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Fealty_(novel)

Probably more Googles style.

Based on these reported behaviours, probably not long before similar events to the novel occur.

How long before a protester gets shot for doing (or appearing to do) something potentially lethal.

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IBM job cuts: Big Blue starts 'slaughter' of Indian and European workforce

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Devil

Re: Yet the pitiful...

Come on, get with the program Granddad , times have moved on.

Its now:

When you are targeted by a "resource action", due to "returning value to shareholders" your "Human Capital Management Specialist" will guide you through the "Fully Transparent Consultancy Period"

You have to remember to change the terms you use every few years, in much the same way as insulting and unacceptable words evolve, and probably for the same reasons.

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Larry Ellison: Technology has 'negatively impacted' children

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Facepalm

Oh Irony

I'm sure someone at a " Human Capital Management" Conference really *cares* about people, right?

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DEATH-PROOF your old XP netbook: 5 OSes to bring it back to life

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Blame Intel & MS

Pretty sure the reason why netbooks have screens below 1024x600 and 1GB of memory is due to the OS and processor pricing discounts given to systems using Intel Atom CPU's and Windows XP/Vista netbook pricing (a discount given to prevent the early Linux netbooks getting market share).

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Brit ISPs ordered to add more movie-streaming websites to block list

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Re: v4 IPs

Finally a reason to move to ipv6...

I guess they could keep blocking ipv6 addresses, but it would take a while to run out of free ones.

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Google SO CAN scan ALL BOOKS onto its sites - judge

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Re: It's the thin end of the wedge. And don't be surprised where that wedge is going to end up.

The next step is getting to decide what the "Orphan Works" are, the defacto ownership and use basically going to Google due to its pre-existing electronic copies and distribution mechanisms.

Some mechanism where Google don't have to pay fines, but just set aside a small amount of money in case the missing owner "reappears", and a opt-in , check for my books and mark as "don't use" or "Pay me a pittance" mechanism complete the journey.

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Email-sniffing Linkedin Intro NOT security threat, insists biz network

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Trollface

So, headquartered in the US? Just bcc all your emails spys@nsa.gov

Mountain View, CA, United States of America

LinkedIn Corporation, Headquarters

And so vulnerable to secret court orders from the secret court forcing them to grab all emails using their app, regardless of what they might say or currently intend.

But they are independently audited right?

iSEC Partners - San Francisco

Suite 1020

123 Mission Street

San Francisco

CA 94105

Tel: +1 (0) 415 268-9300

Oh well.

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Alarming tales: What goes on INSIDE Reg hack's hi-tech bedroom

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Maybe a use for one of these ..

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/richardhaberkern/soundlazer

Bonus points for some kind of head/ear targeting device.

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Hong Kong underground gets pay-by-bonk

Justicesays

Not Taxis

I'll just point out that you can't actually use the Octopus card to pay for taxis in HK.

People have been asking for it for years, and they did run a trial , but it wasn't popular with the drivers , and I imagine it cut into tips quite a bit.

So don't get into a taxi thinking the money on your Octopus card will pay for the trip!

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Cannabis can CURE CANCER - cheaply and without getting you high

Justicesays

Like?

eat an ham sandwich?

it's an hamster?

go to an hospital?

Most 'h' words do not use the "an" form.

You only use "an" if the 'h' is silent so that the word starts with a vowel sound.

The general rule is, if the word starts with a vowel *sound* (not necessarily a vowel) , it uses 'an' instead of 'a'

So you can use an for all 'h' words if you pronounce them with a French accent!

But in English there are a limited number of words with a silent 'h'

An honest man

An hour

An umbrella

An upside

but a University (sound is yew , not un)

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Azerbaijani election app announced winner before polls even opened

Justicesays

Re: And still

Some kind of cross between Invasion of the Bodysnatchers and Excalibur?

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Blighty's great digital radio switchover targets missed AGAIN

Justicesays

Re: Lovely Low Quality

At home I also plug into the wall, with a network cable that provides me with whatever digital data I need via the internet (including "Digital Radio"). I hear you can get something called "Wifi" as well, that removes the need for the cable to the wall.

Availability of DAB is a non-issue for me when in a home with an internet connection. When I want radio to work is when I move around.

This is where the disadvantages of DAB are a problem, and it has many compared to FM radios,

cost, weight, complexity, power consumption,multiplex handover.

I don't support a radio standard that works in situations when I don't need radio, and doesn't in situations where I do!

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Windows 8.1: Microsoft's reluctant upgrade has a split-screen personality

Justicesays

Didn't they have a fix for apps appearing on start in previous versions?

I seem to recall, something like "add to start menu/desktop" in the installer....

But all the "old" win8 installers will obviously not have it, assuming this is now something you can (again) do.

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For PITY'S SAKE, DON'T BUY an iPHONE 5S, begs FSF

Justicesays
Black Helicopters

Re: One thing the FSF seems to be overlooking...

How often are security updates released for any open source project?

Almost every month.

Buffer overruns, cryptography flaws, bugs in new functionality.

Maybe some of those "bugs" are back doors being inserted deliberately. They don't have to last long, just has to be one in every release, so whether or not you upgrade they can get you.

Maybe that one guy one the project isn't "one guy". It's a team of NSA programmers working out how to put a plausible bug in this months security update while fixing last months crop of "bugs".

And if you spot the bug, they are only too happy to fix it. After they spend weeks swearing up and down that it isn't their code, and asking you to provide exhaustive debug traces etc. Like almost every programmer.

A zero day doesn't have to last for ever, just long enough for the next zero day to "turn up" (be inserted).

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First rigid airship since the Hindenburg cleared for outdoor flight trials

Justicesays

Re: "helium ... compress it to the point at which it is heavier than air"

Rigid airships are essentially just a load of weather balloons stuffed into a vaguely aerodynamic frame. The outside "skin" is just to stop things blowing around etc. It doesn't hold in gas, that is stored in interior "cells".

So having air vents etc isnt really a problem.

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Seagate parades spinning skinny model to oust flash from fondleslabs... almost

Justicesays

It's not like this is a new concept

Just thinner with more storage

Archos tablets have had hdd's in them for ages. I haven't seen them being hugely popular however.

http://store.archos.com/archos-android-tablet-p-5016.html

Worked for the iPod though.

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Turnbull floats e-vote, compulsory ID

Justicesays

"His intent was clear"

"Once the election was called, the number of people who told me they would get someone else to vote for me.. [was shocking]"

Sounds like he was surprised how many people would vote for a right wing loony like himself really.

There is a major difference between a small amount of electoral fraud committed by a few individuals, and the large scale electoral fraud enabled by electronic voting machines.

Given the compulsory voting, I would be very hesitant to pursue that course. The is a real possibility that disgruntled hackers who get pissed off with now having to vote (new ID checks) and having to vote for one of these assholes (no more spoiled votes) will go out of their way to ruin your elections. And then play the justified civil disobedience card if caught.

Interesting that when faced with a situation where a large number of people are a) getting people to vote for them without formal proxies (as they don't allow those) and b) spoiling their vote due to forced voting and a lack of a formal "none of the above" option, his response is to try to stop the informal proxy voting (instead of making it much easier and official) and force valid votes (instead of adding a "none of the above" box).

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'Beat the lie detectors' trainer sentenced to 8 months in jail

Justicesays
Devil

Voodoo vs Voodoo

The polygraph is just the same as a magicians trick, or a seance etc. Various props and acting are used to condition the subject to believe that lying will be detected, so that when they do lie, their stress levels will go up as a result of the tension build up. Conditioning your society to believe in them as well helps to start the whole process.

Then of course all the "Beat the lie detector" tricks work exactly the same way, the "Magic feather" effect.

Because you believe that doing this "trick" enables you to lie undetected, you don't get stressed when lying.

The actual trick itself doesn't matter at all, it just allows you to sidestep the conditioning.

Teaching more that one "trick" adds confidence as the subject can suppress their doubts in the efficacy of their feather by trying a different technique if the "Polygraph technician's" performance starts to overpower their belief in the "feather".

Unfortunate that the Federal agencies have taken the wrong stance with this, by imprisoning someone who says they can let you pass the test, they have verified the "feather" must work in the minds of future customers.

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Reports: NSA has compromised most internet encryption

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Megaphone

Re: Who Exactly is Freaking Out About This?

I'm not sure what country you live in.

From my POV, GCHQ, my own countries spy agency, knows that almost every COTS encryption used by the British Government, its commercial industries , and by influential people from every walk of life (including MPs) is worthless when used against the NSA (and anyone else who has discovered those back doors via leaks or investigation).

In the meantime, the NSA watches on as the GCHQ develop the capability to hack large US providers.

And then what?

Teams of Americans in the US spying wholesale on everyone of interest in the UK. If they spot any illegal activities by a pleb they flag that up to GCHQ who then go get a warrant (if they still need those). If what they spot is commercially sensitive or potential blackmail material on someone of importance, then they pass that onto the Department of Commerce, or squirrel it away for later use. After all, you never know when you might need a bit more leverage on a British MP (or PM) .

And of course, lets have the GCHQ perform a similar role for the NSA, except that the GCHQ capability is much more limited and apparently not yet completed. And I'm guessing some quiet words have been had with people in positions of actual power in the US about what not to use. I'm not sure we can say the same about British MPs etc.

Maybe the NSA revealed this on the proviso that GCHQ wouldn't tell anyone about it , but "promised" not to spy on any non-terrorists in the UK. And if the US gives you a dollar and a promise, well, at least you got a dollar.

In summary, these spy agencies are colluding with each other to spy indirectly on their own citizens, and don't give a shit about the implications of this for their own citizens security. And as the relationship appears to be a lot more weighted towards the US, it's the UK that is getting screwed over the most.

Next time we go to war with someone at the US's behest, ask yourself if that decision was influenced by some private bit of embarrassing data somewhere that would make sure someone would never be elected again if it came out.

And of course you don't have to take the step of blackmailing people in most cases. If you feel someone might not be suitable in a certain position, and would likely go public to reveal the blackmail rather than roll over, then just leak the info anyway , to the press or their party/company. Then watch them vanish, leaving the way open for someone more palatable.

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NAO: UK border bods not up to scratch, despite billion-pound facial recog tech

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Unhappy

My E-gate experience in Heathrow is

There are normally three E-gates

At any one time two of them are working.

There is one staff member who has to tell people how to use the gate moving up and down between the two.

There is one staff member on a manual desk behind the E-gates for when they fail to pass someone (a good percentage of the time).

The gate generally takes longer than a manual pass and stamp job.

I'm not sure how this is supposed to improved speed or staffing efficiency.

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Storage vendors: You're next over the cliff after the server salesmen

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Unhappy

Wonder what inter-cloud provider bandwidth

would be required to transfer your 100's of TB's of data to another provider, should your existing cloud provider fail to live up to their SLAs. Or raise their prices. Or put in place a bulk data transfer cost...

What happens if you can't pay your bills due to cash flow issues, and your cloud provider flushes your data down the digital plughole?

What if a court case freezes your assets, and all the evidence is in "the cloud". Who pays the cloud provider to keep the evidence while the court case runs?

Or in a less severe case, a court order tells you to keep all the data from a certain time due to patent litigation, do you have to pull that back locally, and where are you storing that? If the cloud is storing legally required documents for you , do they have all the logging and audit and so on for that, and does your SLA cover you for legal fines and such imposed if your cloud provider e.g. loses all your tax records for the last 6 years.

"Sorry about the huge fine Mr. CEO, but at least you don't have to pay us for last months cloud services"

Then there is the danger of social engineering against your cloud provider to get access to your "stuff". Happens with DNS registrars all the time, so why are cloud vendors going to be any different?

Once they have your cloud, even for a short time, easy enough to copy all data of interest to *their* cloud on the same provider and then offload it at leisure. Or delete, deface etc. Potentially even move you to the "Backups, we don't need no stinkin' backups" plan, and then where are you?

And if hackers can't delete your data off the cloud totally, can you? Any NDA's, IP agreements etc. that you aren't meeting because your provider automatically backs stuff up for X days/weeks/months, and once its in the backup system its there until it rolls off the end (and is it gone even then?). Assuming storing this NDA/IP data on the cloud doesn't violate the agreement to start with ofc.

Looks like a huge morass of legal and regulatory issues that must make negotiating a comprehensive cloud storage agreement a total nightmare.

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US gov preps sale of TOP SECRET disease research island

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Coat

Re: A human body with "long fingers"

I was more concerned about the apparent development of a gene that codes for the wearing of blue trousers.

Maybe funded by Levi's and cancelled when it wasn't specific enough?

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Snowden journalist's partner gave Brit spooks passwords to seized files

Justicesays

Yeah, feel free to just skip over that sort of moral argument Matt, its does seem that morals, along with politeness and any form of self examination are not your forte.

How is it "Wrong" . I did explain that to you, in minute detail. But basically, if lots of people complain that it is wrong, then , normally, it's wrong. When the people who framed the law say its use was wrong, then, normally, it was wrong.

And you know what happens if you abuse these things too much? They get removed or toned down, and then you lose the ability to use the law for what it was intended for in the first place. Kind of a lose-lose all round.

Unfortunately true that just because I want something to happen it's not necessarily the case that it will.

On the other hand, that doesn't mean I am going to stop complaining about this sort of shit, or stuff will certainly never get changed.

Multiple MPs have queried the legality of the use of this Law, Keith Vaz, David Davis, Nick Clegg, Yvette Cooper to name a few. They are from all 3 main parties.

The fact is however that the choice of targets is obviously a suppressing effect , misusing laws against people already unpopular with the government is normally a sure fire win politically, unless popular complaint makes it a big enough issue, or people in the government fear the law will be abused against them.

Also the default position for an MP is the party line. In this case, Labour voted in the law, and don't want to look too dumb for putting it in place, and the Tories abused the law, so their position is "it's fine".

The Lib Dems are putting in a bill to limit schedule 7 powers however.

You appear to have ignored the fact that my argument has consistently been that they should have used appropriate laws, like the OSA, but chose not too because those don't allow for forced questioning.

It appears to be the main point of this stop in the first place as they a) didn't arrest him b) Weren't somehow magically going to get the only copy of the secret documents in existence off of him.

You assertion that I think they (Miranda/Greenwald/Poitras) are in the right and have done nothing wrong: Well to some extent - they haven't even been charged with anything (yet), never mind convicted , so on the face of it why would you say they have Matt?

Has the little judge and jury inside of you already decided the sentence?

What will you do if they never get charged, or get proven innocent?

Has your position now moved to acknowledge that things can be "wrong" without being technically illegal?

What about the spying on the embassies, UN and stuff Matt? Illegal under international law and treaty, but of course it's fine because they are spies, and everyone is doing it. Would you say that's Illegal but not "Wrong"?

Or are you only concerned with criminals below a certain defined level of power?

So about that OSA,

Which sections do you think apply to David?

Sections 1-4 apply only to government employees/contractors and people who have been told they are subject to the act.

Section 5 applies to everyone providing the following is not true

(4)A person does not commit an offence under subsection (2) above in respect of information or a document or other article which has come into his possession as a result of having been disclosed—

(a)as mentioned in subsection (1)(a)(i) above by a government contractor; or

(b)as mentioned in subsection (1)(a)(iii) above,

unless that disclosure was by a British citizen or took place in the United Kingdom, in any of the Channel Islands or in the Isle of Man or a colony.

So, unless David has dual nationality or handed over documents in the UK or associated crown territory, section 5 does not apply, he isn't an employee of the Guardian and is only handing documents over to Greenwald or Poitras, so the publication of the documents isn't directly connected to him.

Section 6 applies to people in general "disclosing" documents without authority , for damaging purposes.

Assuming that David was intending to disclose those documents to Greenwald for "Damaging purposes", you might have a case if they hadn't taken all these documents off of him before letting him go. There is no "Intent" or "plans to" wording, so the fact he would have would not come into it. This would also negate any use of section 5.

Section 7 deals with forcing people to return documents when ordered to do so, and giving away official government passwords and such that would allow unauthorized access to secret data.

Ok, so maybe he admitted to previously muling documents of this nature (i.e specifically covered by the UK OSA ), in which case, they could have arrested him (but didn't). Might have a hard time making that stick if your questioning isn't subject to Miranda rights and intended only for anti-terrorism however, and all you have to go on is his confession. If they actually had evidence of previous applicable document muling, then arrest would have been the obvious choice surely?

I can imagine that the government does want to change the OSA to include words like "intends" and "plans" however, they have stated their intention to tighten up the OSA. It might even move into the digital age.

With regards to the "Lawyer Attendance issue" you show exactly part of one document, (maybe two if you include a solicitors register from 8 years ago). You could of course take a full look at the letter in question http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/759779/miranda-protocol-letter.txt for those of you watching at home.

None of those indicate that David was allowed a lawyer of his choice. The fact that one turned up would be hard to ignore once the diplomatic and legal thumbscrews come on.

Also, crucially, Schedule 8 doesn't allow for a lawyer, unless they take you to a police station or a place designated for questioning for section 41 (not schedule 7). Presumably because this law was intended for questions to be asked near the departure gates without people insisting on lawyers for a 5 minute question and answer session.

But lets assume your assertion is correct and ,despite the actual wording of schedule 8, David asked for his lawyer straight away and was allowed it, and Greenwald was just lying about being told to not bother.

So, in this situation, someone as well connected as he is can't get a lawyer there for 8 out of 9 hours of the questioning, and the maximum is 9 hours, and according to you this is only to be expected on a Sunday, with the Airport being so far away etc.

During which he has to answer questions (on apparently any subject) or be arrested for non-cooperation. So, that sounds like a well written law with good built-in legal protections, right? OK, even if you were at a police station, access to a lawyer can be delayed anyway upon someone of sufficient rank giving one of a list of reasons, the only requirement for which is that reason be recorded, but still allows the "must answer" questioning.

This law is just a terrible bit of legislation. Either people should be able to request a lawyer, after which questioning stops (but so does the 9 hour timer until the lawyer arrives), or they should not have to be compelled to answer questions. Sure people can insist on a lawyer as they wait for their flight if they wish, but then they will miss it, so the vast majority of people won't do that.

I'm also a bit hazy on how threatening a few months in prison is going to be much of a deterrent to a dedicated terrorist who just has to lie or clam up for a few hours to successfully pull off his (presumably) imminent attack.

Still , it is apparently fruitless to point out how badly written and subject to abuse a law is to you Matt.

From your point of view, the more badly written and broadly applicable a law is, the better it is for the police, so that's ok! The ability to stop anyone, for no reason , and then interrogate them on any subject without a lawyer present (unless you graciously allow the fastest of lawyers to attend the closing moments), and threaten them with prison unless they "co-operate" is a police officers wet dream. Well. that's probably a little tame for a police officers wet dream, I suspect it would also include the ability to beat answers out of suspects and then shoot them on the spot if they looked guilty.

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Unhappy

Again Matt,

You seemed to have overlooked the point about how laws get changed when abused even when the use of them is technically "Legal" but obviously wrong. Although even the technical "legality" of the questioning is pretty suspect here, it's going to be hard to show that what with the no lawyers allowed.

Let me know when you find an actual argument.

You should read up on the stop Matt before putting forth your made up version of events?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-interview-detention-heathrow

He was offered a lawyer of their providing.

He wasn't allowed his own lawyer, or to contact anyone else himself.

A member of the team detaining him who refused to give his name told Greenwald he was in custody, after 3 hours, and said he wasn't allowed a lawyer

Lawyers sent to the airport anyway were not allowed to contact him for 5 hours and got to see him one hour before he was freed (probably only then due to diplomatic pressure). In the meantime he had been questioned for 8 hours.

If the government actually uses the OSA against them, then good for them, that's what the act is for.

I'm guessing however they plan to put a case together against Greenwald or the Guardian et al for publishing the documents. That would actually give them access to legal options like extradition and the like (maybe, depends on the treaties). I am all for using law appropriately, what I don't want is laws being abused for purposes outside what they are intended for as this abuse , if allowed to stand , drastically broadens the effective scope of a law well beyond it's original framers.

If they had stopped David under the OSA. and demanded the return or destruction of documents in his possession that were covered by the official secrets act, as allowed by section 6, and then invoked RIPA to ask him to provide the plain text or decrypt his files if he claimed he didn't have any, then I would actually have had no problem with it. Of course this wouldn't have allowed 9 hours of forced questioning etc. and would have involved taking him to a police station, lawyers and so on.

I don't believe there would be a case to put him in prison under the OSA so long as he complied with that request. So I think it is unlikely that the case they are preparing is against him directly. Also, it's a lot easier to arrest someone when they are in your country rather than wait until he has left and try to extradite him.

I have to break your bubble Matt, but unlike you I don't have some huge emotional dedication to Assange or Greenwald. I personally find Assange to be quite distasteful. If you could point me at another source for these interesting revelations about how the NSA and so on are spying on everyone however, then you would probably be detained at an airport for 9 hours....

Again, comparing the content of our posts Matt, I'm pretty sure who comes across as the more immature.

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Matt,

You just keep on missing the point.

You are just unable to process the idea that laws are intended for one thing, and being used for other purposes is wrong, even if "Legal".

The racism point? That is entirely applicable. All the section 6 and 44 stops were "Legal" in the strict sense. The fact that bias was being applied or the stops (in the case of camera toting tourists or kids trying to film parades) totally ridiculous didnt make them "illegal". Instead, the laws got changed or removed, oversight got put in place. Why? Because although technically legal, using them that way was acknowledged as wrong.

What is the mechanism for that Matt? It is mealymouthed shiny happy people like you insisting it's all fine and we should just shut up?

Or is it cynical , concerned and critical responses of "That isn't right" by people getting the law changed instead.

"Zero doubt" that a highly tenuous chain of reasoning that could just as well apply to engineers, architects , many scientists, makes someone a target for anti-terrorism laws. And of course most if the liberal press in general if they dare to challenge any anti-terror operations. Hey, look, you can now just recursively stop anyone who reported negatively on this case, for interfering with an anti-terror operation.

"Zero doubt" does unfortunately describe your attitude towards anything the police do, or in fact anything that disagrees with your hard wired beliefs.

Having a police (or MI5) provided lawyer isn't the same as independent legal advice, either, in this case, he refused the lawyer because why would you trust a lawyer provided by someone who is clearly prepared for you specifically. You think the lawyer would have given him independent legal advice and told him to only answer questions about terrorism? I think your naivety is showing.

The official secrets act is a law I agree. Pity they didn't use it but of course, it doesn't allow you to question people under threat of imprisonment, instead you have to arrest people, take them to a police station , allow them phone calls, that kind of thing.

And as for being proven repeatedly wrong, I don't think so. I imagine if anyone else was bothering to follow this thread they also would not be on the side of the Lol'ing, Baahing, authoritarian prat. Your attempts to belittle me just make you look small Matt.

And as for getting the law repealed, thanks for the encouragement. I do actually carefully consider the platforms (and individual voting records it applicable) of the candidates, rather than voting for any one party in particular by habit. Hopefully one of them will actually keep their principles once in power, but so far the outlook does seem poor. Still, even without a majority it appears change can happen , section 44 got repealed for instance.

Also odd that you consider "us" to be the 0.099%, yet refer to "us" as the sheep. Whoever "us" are, presumably the "rebels" you mentioned earlier.

You are the one going along with the party line, Matt, you are also the one making the sheep noises, and claim you represent the views of most people.

Take a good hard look at yourself Matt. Notice the wool over your eyes.

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Matt,

The stop wasn't magically "Random". You get that?

So they knew full well who he was, and that he wasn't a terrorist. Nor was he visiting a terrorist or married to one.

So just straight up abuse. Schedule 7 also limits questioning to things that are , essentially, about whether or not you are a terrorist. Pretty easy to establish that given they knew exactly who he was and what he was doing passing through Britain, as well as where he had been recently. So really a great case for keeping him 9 hours just to make sure he isn't a terrorist.

Greenwald isn't a terrorist either, and your assertion that as he might have documents of interest to terrorist somehow makes him a terrorist? Also crap.

There are plenty of laws to stop and catch actual criminals Matt, and that what they are to be used for.

People giving a sneering wink an "oh, look , its all fine, its just a "Random" stop and he *could* be a terrorist." are the worst kind of apologists.

As for your "Legal Experts", well the people who wrote the law think its a bad use. And so do a bunch of other people. Saying "its all legal, honest" isn't going to shut people up Matt, it just going to make them determined to get the law changed or removed, as its clear to pretty much everyone (apart from you and the people abusing the law) that using it was wrong. Especially when you have to use that "but we can randomly stop anyone for no reason" phrase along with that "its legal" statement just to rub in the fact that , yes, you really didn't randomly stop him , and , no, you really didn't give a shit if he was a terrorist, you just wanted an excuse to question someone in a heavy handed way, without legal protections, and the ability to threaten prison time if he didn't co-operate.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/21/terrorism-act-david-miranda-detention

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Really Matt,

I think you'll find you are the one flailing about looking for reasons to justify the actions of the police in pretty much all these circumstances.

You appear to be the one with the complete blindness to the facts, and how these things are applied in the real world. Any evidence presented is some kind of lefty conspiracy , and only the strong can be righteous , right?

Give it up Matt, you are completely unable to accept facts, or that your arguments are in fact, total bullshit.

And your amazing accusations of me moving the goalposts always seem to follow a post where you shift the focus to somewhere else yourself, so self delusional as well. Plenty of evidence, plenty of ongoing actions, plenty of reports. I mean you could just google yourself for "uk police racism".

I guess you then immediately dismiss anything you find there as clearly made up right?

Doesn't fit in the your little shiny happy world view, so it all just made up by that "lefty conspiracy of Z-list rebels. "

I could have gone on to produce numerous additional example, the chief officer of the MPS saying they are institutionally racist and always would be. The Metropolitan Black Police association says "Met still institutionally racist". And that's just for the MPS after you narrowed down your focus to just them.

However, this was just a throwaway comment I made that you seized upon and somehow thought that attacking its validity would justify your authoritarian world view. I'm not the one who started this series of attacks, it was you Matt. You couldn't let it stand that someone somewhere might think that holiest of holies, the Police, could be anything other than perfect.

And of course anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is a "rebel" . I suppose you believe we should all be rounded up and put in camps for insisting on little things like independent oversight, well defined and well written laws, applied without bias, that sort of thing.

Amazing how the "rebels" seem to have all the reports, media outlets and even a number of the politicians, whereas "the Man" seems to have, erm, frothy mouthed morons like you.

Its a real plus for the police where their friends are apparently foul mouthed, abrasive, shortsighted internet trolling prats like you Matt. Really makes them seem like the reasonable people you insist they are.

You claim I shifted focus to the controls? My point was this, Shiny happy morons like you think everything is fine, and ignore any evidence to the contrary, and point at the people implementing the controls as part of a lefty conspiracy. Given this attitude, I assume you think there should be no controls, as everything is happy and shiny and fine all the time. Thus allowing all this shit to happen a lot more , and with no one doing anything about it until , yeah, you are in an "actual" rebels situation, with riots, martial law and all that shit . That is where unchecked bias and authoritarianism leads, to the break down of society and civil order.

I don't have an irrational hatred of "the Man" Matt, as "the Man" doesn't exist.

I do have a healthy interest in the direction our society is going, and adjust my opinions appropriately, based on the evidence presented. I think a reasonable balance should be struck between liberty and safety. I also think that the will of the people should be obeyed by treating the law with respect, and not a tool to be abused at a whim.

You on the other hand have an opinion, and dismiss evidence and judge things based on that.

Your insistence that David Miranda is "involved in committing, preparing or instigating acts of terrorism".

Is total made up bullshit. That's what that law was put in place to be used for, and in this case it wasn't.

And not "accidentally" or "we just needed to check out that these encrypted documents aren't terrorist plans", deliberate, premeditated abuse of a law put in place for specific purposes, being used outside of that purpose. I have no doubt the UK government wanted to see what documents he might have on him and question him about his partners activities. They should have found an actual law that would allow them to do that. Or if unable to, then you know, act in a legal fashion and not bother him. Instead they decided that the "national interest" trumps the law and then make up some bullshit about how its all legal as a smokescreen. And that leads to the question, who is deciding what is "in the national interest" and what else might they think should be extralegally acted on. Because that , again, is where you start going once you start down this path.

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Re: Judysays Judysays Judysays Justicesays Justicesays Jonathan Richards...

Again Matt, you are the one with the focus on a single (factual) statement I made a few dozen posts ago.

So now its a total shift back to the Miranda argument eh?

And how those laws are highly abusable and shouldn't exist because abusable laws have been shown to be abused, legality aside. Thus my offhand statement on abused and racially biased stop and search, both section 6 and section 44, which you seized upon like a rabid dog and ran off for what, 20 posts?

My arguments are coherent and grounded in facts, your arguments are frankly incoherent and give the impression of much mouth frothing.

You have a micro focus on how the police aren't provably biased (yes they are), and seem to think its all just a huge conspiracy to get down the hard working common copper (it isn't) run by some huge lefty conspiracy (it's not).

These controls and investigations are part of what keeps authoritarianism and unchecked bias from running rife within our essential organizations, something you dismiss as unnecessary as you appear to be starting from some premise where everything is perfect and your friends the police would never do anything wrong.

You don't know all the police Matt, and you don't run an organization that investigates and provides the checks and balances on them. Others do, and they have spoken, you just don't want to hear it.

As for David Miranda, putting laws in place for one explicit purpose and then using them for another is dishonest and cheats the voting public of their choice. It's Anti-democratic and frankly abuse against society as a whole. Laws like that should not exist, or people using them like that should be stopped and themselves held accountable. If the latter doesn't happen, then the former should be enforced.

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Re: Judysays Judysays Justicesays Justicesays Jonathan Richards 1 Salts What if...

I think you'll find you are the one who has moved the focus to just the MPS Matt, so if anyone is moving the goalposts, seems to be on your side.

I guess the fact the EHRC is concerned and has these open inquiries indicates everything is A-OK right Matt? It clearly would be better for all involved if we just let the police get on and do whatever they want.

Not obey the law or address their biases, but do whatever they want, right?

Are you in the streets calling for the end of the EHRC, I mean these PC meddlers are clearly why the crime rates are rocketing.

I think you'll find I said there was not a "Prevention of the free movement of Muggers act" Matt.

And that there is a big difference in applying an act for use against football hooligans only against football hooligans, vs applying an act that could apply to anyone only against (or not against ) muggers and street criminals.

Which was my point, totally over your head of course which must be as mentioned around waist height.

"The answer is because when they did they got smeared as being "racist" by PC numpties like you."

Did they, I'm struggling to find the evidence of that anywhere to be honest? You didn't seem to address my point that by your logic they could easily ban all the white street crims with no complaints.

And the retort that I can't counter your imaginary "police friends" unsubstantiated hearsay kind of ignores the points that I did counter it, and it's imaginary hearsay

Also, you appear to have switched to arguing with someone named Judy?

I guess I'm not the delusional one here. First Imaginary police friends, and then this Judy person.

Still, keep that head of rage stocked up Matt. Authoritarians love people like you , willing to overlook anything in the defence of those in charge, regardless of what they do or how they behave.

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Glad you liked my bringing up parts of the report that back my argument.

Oh, you expected the IPCC to flat out say "Yeah, the police are racist" in their report?

Like that's going to happen.

Matt, I backed up my statements with independent evidence, your "My mate told me" doesn't come to the same standard, precisely because it's just your word on your mates word. "My mate who is a copper told me that yeah he's seen a lot of racist behaviour but doesn't report it because it seems like snitching". See how that works?

And the EHRC doesn't "Clear the MPS of racial bias". They report that measures already in effect are acting to reduce racial bias, more so that for those forces that don't have a separate oversight mechanism for stop and search. I'm also not saying that the only reason a police officer would stop a black person is because they are racist (Hi Strawman) . I'm saying, evidence based investigation has show that police forces throughout the county have been shown to use it in a racially biased fashion. That bias has to exhibit itself somewhere, so there are coppers somewhere on the beat that are allowing racism to affect who they stop and search. See how that reasoned argument proceeds directly from the evidence Matt?

As for ABSOs, a class of law usable against anyone, instead of a specific class of acts only for use against football hooligans not being used against criminals because criminals are black? Is that your argument ? Got any source for that other than "my mate who is a police officer"?

Firstly the main driver for reducing the number of ASBO's is that the government wants to get rid of them.

Also they cost £1500 per person to enforce and require a criminal level standard of evidence to get one.

I guess they at least managed to get ASBO's against all the white street crims though, that would reduce crime by 20% and no-one would complain, right?

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Re: Justicesays Justicesays Jonathan Richards 1 Salts What if...

>which says the PROCESS is not as good as it should be,

“This report shows that, though there are some examples of good practice, in general there is an unwillingness or inability to deal with these complaints robustly and effectively. Too often, complaints are dismissed without proper investigation or resolution, complainants are not properly engaged with, and lessons are not learnt.

“This in part reflects poor complaints handling in general. But, in relation to race complaints, it can exacerbate a negative experience if the racial element is not properly addressed. It can also mean that officers are not held to account, or do not learn from their actions.

“We know that there is less confidence both in policing and in the complaints system among BME communities. If the Metropolitan Police Service is serious about building that confidence, there will need to be a cultural change to complaints handling.

“Our recommendations are designed to support that change, building on the good practice and guidance that exists. This will help ensure, as the MPS Commissioner has promised, that there is indeed zero tolerance for racist behaviour in the MPS.”

Sure its all about the process. I.e. without a process to be followed strictly, the investigations are not being handled fairly in these cases. Wonder why that would be?

>Looks like you are desperately avoiding admitting the truth of what Paul Condon reported, that young >black males we responsible for 80% of muggings in London. For you, saying that fact is racist, because >your PCness means you simply have to shy away from it.

So, how is that proving or not proving that the police are acting in a racist fashion Matt? Given the reports have TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT and APPROVE OF EVIDENCE BASED POLICING. But keep parroting that over and over again why don't you. As it is the sole fact you are able to produce and isn't actually related to the case at hand.

And hey, lets move the target to just the MPS, They aren't as racist in stop and search as some other forces because they had to put in place an operation in 2006 to prevent their racism in stop and search... I.e process trumping racism. Same issue as with them having to put in place a complaints process.

As regards your Notting hill carnival hearsay , 1 million people are going to Notting Hill Carnival. And the environment is a lot more conducive to crime than a football stadium.

And lets conflate a set of laws specifically applied to football hooligans (Public order act 1986 and Football spectators act 1989) and then complain you can't stop random criminals going places under those acts. Man, imagine that 100% of Football hooliganism restriction laws were applied against football hooligans.

I wonder what the percentage is on the "Prevent free movement of muggers" law is. Wait, there isn't a law like that? Damn, there goes that argument.

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Re: Justicesays Justicesays Jonathan Richards 1 Salts What if...

Looks like the Police and the Equality and Human Rights Commission disagree with you Matt.

Oh, and the IPCC as well:

Stop and Search, now only half as Racist:

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/uploaded_files/raceinbritain/stop_and_think_again.pdf

Metropolitan police - Still pretty racist:

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/investigation_commissioner_reports/Report_on_Metropolitan_police_Service_key_statistical_info.PDF

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/ipcc-report-concludes-metropolitan-police-service-failing-deal-effectively-race-complaints

You realize that your unsubstantiated statement don't really hold out very well against the actual evidence and reports?

Maybe you can write your own report "Police: Magical Justice Fairies who can do nothing wrong" and send that out

Nice work going down the list of Logical Fallacies as well.

I guess you have trouble seeing other peoples arguments with that huge ass in your face. At least I assume there is a huge ass in your face, what with your tongue being so far up the Police's rectum that you think you can speak for them.

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Re: Justicesays Justicesays Jonathan Richards 1 Salts What if...

As I said Matt, if you had bothered to actually read the linked article, your point about specific areas was covered, conclusion, still biased. Thanks for playing though.

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Punter strikes back at cold callers - by charging THEM to call HIM

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And yet somehow that company that no one can get the real number of, and is withheld, and in a foreign country, that company still gets charged the 10p/min.

Amazing how a little profit motive makes everything work whereas when its consumer protection that will actually eat into your profits, its an "impossible" problem to solve.

I propose we all have a number that charges you 10p a minute when you ring it, but you are able to register certain phone numbers that will only get charged normal rates, and in addition you can put in a special code after a call has finished for that call to be charged at normal rates as well.

Sucks for payphone users, but nothing is perfect.

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NSA: NOBODY could stop Snowden – he was A SYSADMIN

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Yep,

And MAC itself.

Then it looks like they gave up , as it was apparently cheaper to buy a sharepoint license and use a wiki than implement a custom system that actually implemented MAC. Never mind the fact that in any computer system, unless you want to risk total data loss from a lock out, failure or loss of personnel , there are back doors. The best you can normally do is restrict these to physical access only , with physical observation and audited logging of any access,if you are super paranoid. Of course this become near impossible once you start storing datacenters worth of stuff. This also assumes that you trust the guys who set up the secure system in the first place. and doesn't cover you for bugs in the programs.

Or alternatively you can give your top level access to people from a third party company and allow them the ability to do anything remotely with no real local oversight. I guess it was (again) cheaper.

Still, at the basic level, I imagine almost everyone working at the NSA (or for the NSA) knew about the scope of data collection, which would be apparent from the data itself. Documents like the PRISM overview, the cables taps, the GCHQ connection, would be basic orientation material for most analysts so they would know what the possible information sources were.

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Oracle revs up Sparc M6 chip for seriously big iron

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"I wonder if the IBM P795 also runs Linux in partitions of up to 16 cpus, and no larger? Wouldn't surprise me."

A look at the redbook ( http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp4640.pdf ) for the P795 says:

Scale to 256 cores/1024 threads - for the RedHat 6.3 and SLES 11 installations

Not sure what the RH 5.8 and SLES 10 go up to, they are only 2-way SMT capable , so that is going to cut down your threads by 2 for starters .

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