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Boeing is looking at alternatives for Atlas...
Boeing is advising that BE-4 KeraLOX and other engines can be adapted to a new rocket. They are looking at 5 years before it clears all testing. There is NOTHING stopping Boeing from requesting Falcon 9s for their work, though.
The Atlas Vs used in the proposal are about $100 Mn per launch (plus other payload and capsule). Falcon 9s are supposed to be available for under $70 Mn per launch.
Astronaut training, recovery and flight operations are all on the commercial vendor, and in their proposal.
Remember the Anschluss?
The Russian movement into Crimea has stark similarities to the German movement into Austria and Czechoslovakia. Following that up with Eastern (or all) of the Ukraine even more so.
That didn't work out very well...
Re: Let's put that in perspective shall we?
Not so long as ESA continues with miniscule budgets when the EU is a larger-than-USA Economy. Get the ESA doing more! They have had significant achievements, now MORE.
Two is all that they can afford, with current budgets.
Russian engines on Atlas...
Clearly, having a backlog of 2 years-of-engines within the USA is part of a plan to sustain launches with short-term-stoppages of deliveries. Boeing is working on 'Atlas 6', with some more details by October 1.
Russia advises that they are NOT continuing with ISS past 2020.
The USA has floated a proposal to extend the ISS to 2024. It is not 'pumpkin-time' for Russia's decision YET, but they have advised that they would decline to continue participation past 2020.
More to come...
Atlas is a brand, not a technology..
Atlas V is a substantially different config than 'earlier' Atlas rockets. It was built to use twin-RD-180 engines for moderate-heavy payloads. Its ancestry is clearly to RD-170 not any American Engine.
Agena had a hydrazine engine, not KeraLOX. There is NO way that RD-180 is similar to Agena.
Delta IV won't be man-rated anytime soon...
NASA has many standards in the post SS activity. Deltas, with their continuous refueling requirement, just won't get there. The new standard is KeraLOX-friendly. Expect CST-100 to go up on RD-180 with a backup plan for Falcon 9. I agree with earlier posts that advise that all of these launchers use a standardized control approach, so that CST-100 and Dragon 2 would be adaptable to any other approved rocket-system.
ULA cannot change their rockets. Boeing and Lockheed would have to do this on their own. CST-100 is a Boeing (not ULA) system.
This is a normal NASA process...
This kind of document interchange is normal process. The objections will be take up in subsequent discussions.
Were you guys thinking that it would all be tweeted?
Re: Of course, had we not abandoned the Apollo project...
The problem with settlements on Luna is that no one has built 'self sustaining settlements' models. Several have tried, but the 14-day 'sun is up' followed by the 14-day 'sun is down' diurnal-cycle has been problematic. It creates very large temperature swings.
The interesting discussion about polar settlements (where this 28-day cycle MIGHT be less severe) haven't borne fruit, either.
There is quite a lively discussion about water+mineral availability, but 99%+ of Luna is drier than Atacama.
Why don't you guys get ESA going...
I know that there is lots of interest in NASA's budgets, but nothing would get NASA better funding than if the ESA got anywhere-near NASA's level of funding. You guys elect the folks to do the ESA.
This rocket is NOT about ISS...
This is a deepspace rocket system that can fly to a Lagrange point and fly back. With improvements, it might even go to Mars or a deepspace station. The Russians don't do any of THAT.
At any rate, SpaceX expects to gain more ISS/LEO work that reduces the Russians in 2018. They are going after Arianespace in the open-commercial launch business before that, too.
Re: It's the beginning of the next Maunder Minimum.
So Jake, you are pretty sure that ALL the causes will fit on ONE bumpersticker?
He IS trying something difficult here...
But as others have noted, the explanation for what happened and how it happened is still being compiled. Does anyone know if they recovered anything?
Does Google glass put out fires?
It sounds like someone's hair is on fire...
This is not EASY stuff...
Governments are correctly taken-to-task for abuse of people, even when they are attempting to protect some people from other people. The Japanese Internment of 100,000 people in four US states during WWII is one example. Kipling's "White Man's Burden" was a rallying cry at the dawn of the 20th century, is horribly condescending now.
The criticism for the actions is just. A lot of important, valuable gains have been made from actions that would be horrible to do today.
Re: Another product ruined by CA
I don't think that Arcserve surged its marketshare after purchase. It was retracked as a security-oriented suite of data protection products. The visionaries from Cheyenne departed a year before the CA acquisition. As I recall, the network bandwidth was a severe constriction for Arcserve with the then-largest setups. CA was investigating hardware solutions (Fibrechannel, etc.) to help make the backup/recovery aspect more viable.
Arcserve in the mid-1990s...
I worked for CA when they acquired Arcserve. At the time, they had the best 'Enterprise Backup' operational software, especially if you had NetWare fileshares. We had a fat-laptop with a SCSI tape that we used to demonstrate function at user sites. That is NOT to say that it worked perfectly.
I still am not pleased with the bullet-proof measures in common Enterprise Backup systems. We rarely get 100% correct backup on any given night. We have tried 5 vendors in 12 years. I think that most datacenters underallocate staff to maintain the various mechanisms of Enterprise Backup.
Escaping the Sun's gravity effects..
The Oort Cloud is generally accepted as being 'under the control of the Sun's gravity'. It goes out to 1 light-year. It will take tens of thousands of years for Voyager to get that far!
USA Power companys 'read the meter' over power lines...
Several USA power companies can get their billing info over the power lines. They use such info to find out where people are illicitly using 'free power', too.
Nothing really new here...
Incorrect Accusation on page 1
Retraction on page 20
Cool story bro...
Needs more dragons...
STOP in the name of love...
.... Before you break my heart!
(Few under 50 will get that)
This could get the ESA rolling...
You guys just need to get the ESA rolling. They have a LOT of tech, but need to start MUCH more tech to get there!
Oracle is sometimes inflexible on privacy...
In the USA, there are 'HIPAA' privacy rules, particularly surrounding healthcare information. The big prosecutors in the USA have been quite active prosecuting violations of 'protected health information'.
Caregivers don't want to pay for violations done by their business-partners, so they get agreements from partners to pay the fines IF the partner is the cause.
In my state, Caregivers are sharing that Oracle is not signing such agreements. This is making it easier to choose vendors (or transition to vendors) that sign these agreements.
It is not good for Oracle growth in the Caregiver sector of the economy.
I think that we should be afraid of owls. My cat is...
NASA is trying to get a more-general capability for Mars landings, particularly with heavier payloads and higher martian-altitude landing sites.
Using rockets all the way down would require a substantial fuel supply for those long burns, there is enough atmosphere on Mars to cause the burns to start early and run for a long time.
Using parachutes all the way down leaves a lot of energy to be dissipated by short-burn rockets or rockets+bags. This is acute for higher-altitude landings and/or massive probe landings.
Both Viking and MSL were just under 1 ton. With larger loads, this kind of hybrid air-friction tool saves precious weight on fuel and large landing rockets. It will be cool on probes anticipated for 2020 and beyond.
Are some Europeans just poking sticks...
Hmmmmm, this looks like some non-USA-taxpayers are trying to cajole USA-taxpayers into ante-ing up for MUCH more NASA bucks while the EU de-federalizes and the ESA has LOWER budgets.
As a taxpayer: I love NASA, the USA may be able to ramp NASA up as the deficit comes under control, but if the Europeans REALLY found this important...
Re: How about that p-system stuff that is MADE in China?
Shenzhen Great Wall makes MOST of the low-mid p-series machines. IBM Hong Kong depends greatly on in-China sales of these machines...
How about that p-system stuff that is MADE in China?
IBM does a LOT of its p-series manufacture in China. I think that those factories are not very cost effective if there is NO market for them in China!
Huygens was important, but...
Huygens did send some nice pictures and measurements back. The ongoing technology for VASTLY different time objectives (Huygens flew for a month and had a 10 hour high-intensity mission)
Venera was interesting, but...
There were 14 Venera probes. None of them moved. Of the six landers before 1978, none of them lasted much more than an hour. The last 4 landers lasted between 1 and 2 hours. Not bad for 1970s technology. They really aren't to be compared to MSL, though.
This judge is NOT making this decision...
This is a CIVIL class action suit. The judge would only note legal errors in an agreement between plaintiffs & accused. If they want to go to judgement, THEN the judge's proclivities become important.
Re: The Russians are NOT saying that they will cease flights BEFORE 2020...
NASA agreed with me today. Russia cannot close the ISS. They can stop participating if they want. The USA can use its commercial lift (Dragon & CST100) if they are ready by 2020. Russia has signed to provide services through 2017 and support through 2019, currently.
The Russians are NOT saying that they will cease flights BEFORE 2020...
Simply put, the USA might not need Russian flight support after 2018. Another thing, the Russians cannot prohibit access to the ISS, they can only withdraw from the Memorandum of Understanding about SUPPORTING the ISS. Read the 1998 MOU on the ISS between RSA and NASA
The Russians can withdraw, but not close the ISS
Roscosmos is committed to support the ISS through 2020. According to the 1998 NASA-RSA agreement (MOU), the RSA can withdraw anytime they want after that.
At current plan, the NASA commercial manned-LEO-lift ability will come online in 2017. A second commercial vendor to come online by 2018.
Orbital-Antares (5) & ULV-Atlas (2+) claim to warehouse enough Russian-sourced equipment to last years. SpaceX-Falcon and ULV-Delta use NO Russian-sourced equipment. Both Dragon and CST100 attach to their rockets with the same technology and controls, so CST100 could launch with Dragon rockets (whenever THAT gets tested).
ESA Ariane 5/6 would certainly be considerations, as would JSA H-IIA/B.
Boeing's SLS isn't planned for use with the ISS. It comes online by 2020, but is priced for more distant targets.
In short, permanent separation of Roscosmos from ISS is a horrible shame. It might bring about the closure of ISS after 2020. There are other Space Station plans that could take advantage of the opportunity by that time, though.
It is easy to find conspiriacies, with the right outlook...
There ARE real issues with SpaceX going down a different road than others. Musk is NOT getting security clearances the same way that Lockheed and Boeing do. This lets him hire faster, but gets in the way of corporate-clearances issues.
I am a US taxpayer. I want the costs lowered. Since Atlas uses Russian-made rockets, they can continue with their current inventory and transition to US manufacturing IF they get $1Bn to build that manufacturing. Elon wants that 1 BN in his pocket, instead.
It is all about the Benjamins...
Have no doubt, the bad behavior is nasty, the reason he will lose the franchise is because of sponsors, TV and ticket-buyers. In the USA, there is a lot of 'conservative' talk about his 'free speech', but nobody stopped him from talking. These owners, by 75% vote, will be the ones forcing him to sell.
There WAS talk of a player union walkout, but this lifetime ban and assurance of an ouster-vote put that at rest.
Re: Am I mssing something?
Recall that an ISS launch had a rocket blowout. The ISS payload was good, but another payload on the rocket was wasted.
Getting cleared for more workloads...
SpaceX was not cleared for all types of payloads. They are trying to pressure USA Security to clear them for more payloads. SpaceX does NOT follow ULA's rules on having all workers get security clearances, beforehand.
It will get fixed.
Wait for them to go after ESA payloads, then...
Who services the ISS
@james, you need to add the ESA and JSA launches, too.
WOW, Crimea and Lunar Settlement in the same paragraph!
Crimea is an interesting topic. It is likely to begin an attempt by Europe and the USA to lessen Russian integration into the market economies. It will also cause NATO to dig-in for the Baltic former-SSRs that are now full members. Anticipating it HAS already caused 4 NATO Airbases to be established in Bulgaria and a HUGE anti-missile base in Romania. It looks like USN residence in the international waters of the Black Sea will also now be commonplace. The Budapest Memorandum has clearly been discarded by Russia, at this point.
Russian 'marketing' of a Lunar settlement is interesting. NASA clearly feels that a self-sustaining settlement on the Moon is out of reach for near-to-mid-future technology. If Russia has other data, the more power to them! NASA does posit that mid-future technology COULD produce a sustainable Martian settlement. That is where NASA is placing their chips.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating!
Did you really write all of that...
There were certainly more details surrounding the non-approval of the original treaty, but it certainly drove the overall activity. Replacement treaties setup the Hawai'i territory.
Philippines went for independence. Hawai'i went for statehood. Puerto Rico stayed as a territory with once-a-decade plebecite. The 2012 election shows 61% now want statehood, but the local government found the election inconclusive.
These are very messy things.
As long as it doesn't matter to YOU...
@AC, perhaps this doesn't look important to Britain's people today. We will see...
So Russia's word with the UK & USA in 1994 doesn't matter?
The Budapest memorandum stated that the UK/USA would NOT try to get the Ukraine into NATO and that Russia wouldn't violate the Ukraine's borders. It was to disarm the nuclear arsenal that the USSR had deployed in Ukraine.
It would appear that Russia has ceased to follow this agreement. The USA will do something to show "why Russia shouldn't have done that". It will likely involve pushing Russia away economically and militarily, without returning to Stalinist isolation.
Annexation of Hawai'i
Hmmm. The History books are pretty clear on this one. An unpopular Queen (Liliʻuokalan) signed a treaty with the USA to make the republic of Hawai'i a territory of the USA. The USA did use Hawai'i as a staging ground for the Philippines, but it remained a self governing area for 50 years until a majority groundswell moved it to statehood. Hawai'i is an example of adapting a governmental model while keeping overall independence an 'option'. On a similar track, the Philippines took the independence option.
The USA doesn't have the imperial/colonial depth of many other nations. It wasn't "great" on this one, either. We do appear to have consensus in Hawai'i on this work.
FISA in the USA...
IBM's comment needs to cover all FISA warrants (that is what you are talking about here), that would be key. The proceedings of FISA are often top-secret and are reviewed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (who appoints and fires these judges).
Edward Snowden has certainly gained notoriety for exposing the broad warrant granted to the NSA for disclosure of Verizon call-metadata (but not the calls themselves). It was amazing because FISA was used to 'go fishing' with otherwise-not-suspects people, both Americans and non-Americans.
EVERYONE wants to deny that they are complying with FISA Warrants, but they would risk TREMENDOUS HARM if it eventually came out that they lied about complying.
Given the recent penchant for disclosure of these types, I wonder if IBM would openly lie about FISA warrants. There are about 2000 of them every year, though.
The project is only beginning...
The $15Mn is a FY2015 amount, it would likely recur for 5-10 years. The probe that is the lead-possibility is about $2Bn to build, but that could change. Then there are the costs to get-it-to-Jupiter and operate the mission.
Of course, the $15Mn staffing will look for savings and other activities that be also-done with this work.
Re: Beat me to it!
The biggest cost for SS was reconditioning on the oribiter. It also made up 75-90% of the payload weight, too. They never did much 'flying down' of space stuff. THAT was one of the key benefits of SS that never paid out!
Re: Best of luck...
The rumors in the USA are that he plans to launch from New Mexico and land in Texas or Florida. In that way, he has less flyback-time for which to carry fuel.
Like others, I dread the potential for the rocket landing on something other than a launchpad!
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