* Posts by Trevor_Pott

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IT's Holy Grail, but is DevOps a Poisoned Chalice for sysadmins?

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Re: Devops is filling a capability vacuum

Ops wouldn't be needed if devs knew how to write proper code.

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Dear Mr. cantor

"Operations staff, who have spent their careers learning how IT systems work...can shorten the length of time it takes for developers to understand the infrastructure by orders of magnitude."

"Operations staff have a lot to contribute to DevOps, in the short- and long-term. They just need to see it."

You have done an excellent job in this piece of explaining why operations teams are required in the short term for DevOps. Specifically: knowledge transfer. You have also discussed at great legnth how it benefits the business to convince the operations teams to participate in this knowledge transfer willingly.

You did not even remotely touch on the role of operations in the long term. What sort of positions they might fill once the knowledge transfer is completed nor what value the business will see in continuing their employment past that point.

This entire article has been about the importance of convincing ops not to fear for their jobs when DevOps begins implementation, but I must say that I finished it feeling only more convinced that once the knowledge trasnfer is complete, operations will be kicked to the curb.

Can you please help me understand how DevOps is anything other than a protracted method for handing everything over to developers?

Furthermore, given that developers are functionally allergic to testing, QA, UAT or any form of resiliancy, redundancy or stability, why should I, as a business owner, want to undertake a DevOps transition that seems to be aimed at eliminating the positions of the people who actually keep things running?

Bonus question: how many DevOps transitions are actually "successful"? How many are just some manager throwing a copy of The Pheonix Project into the dev pen and then waiting until they can start firing ops teams?

What is the benefit to me, as an operations guy for taking the risk of working to make DevOps succeed?

What is the benefit to me, as a business owner for taking the risk of trying DevOps at all?

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Women devs – want your pull requests accepted? Just don't tell anyone you're a girl

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Re: I expect votedowns

"truism that women usually have to work twice as hard to be seen as even half as good is still alive and well"

Would that this weren't the case. I honestly don't believe that the majority of men (at least in tech) think women are less competent. That said, there is a significant minority that harbour this believe - spoken or not - and those individuals seem to be pretty cognate with the cohort attracted to power.

For my money, the five best techies I've ever met consist of three women, one man and one individual whose gender identity is still ambiguous after several years.

Let's hope we can collectively overcome this bit of gender tribalism. We've better things to spend cycles on.

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Is tech monitoring software still worth talking about?

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Thanks for that.

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Bank fail: Ready or not, here's our new software

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Re: Politeness is so quaint

Apologies, but who isn't Canadian and is polite? I has a confused.

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Australian astroboffins reveal hundreds of hidden galaxies

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Re: category confusion ?

Significance != value

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We just found a million, billion suns. A million, billion. One quadrillion. 1 x 10^15.

1,000,000,000,000,000 suns that were just casually blocked behind the core of the Milky Way; a fraction of the observable sky.

We are insignificant. We are small. And we are all star stuff.

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Private clouds kinda suck, you know?

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Re: some-when???

I guess since you don't speak English and you are writing for a living, you should soon be broke. I can't take this article seriously when I read that. Isn't "sometime" a real word? I am not a native English speaker so I could be wrong.

You're wrong. Also more than a little constrained of thought. English is spoken by over half a billion people with almost 340 million confirmed native speakers around the world. There are dozens (if not hundreds) of dialects. The language has evolved and is evolving in multiple different directions simultaneously in different parts of the world.

"Somewhen" is a perfectly legitimate adverb. One that was in popular usage predominantly in the 19th century, but which persisted in isolated pockets (especially Western Canada, where I am from) until modern times. It has recently seen something of a modern revival, thanks to the internet and the admixture of dialects and cultures it has enabled.

The usage of "somewhen" has evolved since the 19th century. In the 19th century "somewhen" would be used very much interchangeably with how most cultures use "sometime" today. In Western Canada (and a couple other places, such as New Zeland) where "somewhen" has persisted, its usage has actually become different from "sometime".

To wit: "sometime" is typically used when there is a general idea of when "sometime" might be. E.g. "Sometime before supper". The exact details of the time are a little fuzzy, but it is possible to give reasonably actionable timeframes if pressed.

"Somewhen" is used when the target time is more fuzzy. For example: "I'll get around to finishing painting that wall somewhen; I just don't know when I can get away long enough to do so."

So there you go, you have learned something. And I, for one, am glad to use words you don't know.

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While we weren't looking, the WAN changed

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It's bleedingly obvious if you live and breathe networking all day, every day. But when I started asking around, I was shocked how few people knew most of this existed, despite this functionality now being offered by many ISPs, even out in the sticks.

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Safe Harbor ripped and replaced with Privacy Shield in last-minute US-Europe deal

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Re: And they managed

At least it's something. The first small admission that European citizens might have rights. Canada hasn't even managed to negotiate that much for its citizens! Not that I expect a civil-liberties hating douchecanoe like Trudeau to ever even try. He's too busy signing away Canada's future with the TPP and cracking down on its citizens with Bill C-51.

Whomever wins, we lose.

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ioSafe releases x86 server for the 'we don't have a geek with a screwdriver' crowd

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Re: So De-dupe does not work well with most of Microsofts Enterprise products.

It really depends on what you want it for. If you just want it as a CIFS/SMB target, then deduplication will probably work fine. I say probably because I have not actually tried it on these units and so I have no idea if pinning the CPU for hours on end actually fits within their thermal envelope. I'd kinda hope it does, but who knows?

I have a WD Sentinel running Storage Server 2012 R2 that I hacked to enable deduplication. I actually use it for backup my media server (ironically stored on an ioSafe ARM unit) in case Cryptolocker pays me a visit. I'm pleasantly surprised at how well it manages to reduce total storage size.

But if you want to - as I do - jettison the "BDR" role of the ioSafe x86 units and start using them for bigger and better things? Sadly, there Microsoft's rather awful post-process deduplication will not do well for you at all. I say this from bitter - bitter - experience.

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Re: but...

*looks at his ioSafe*

If you find a blender that blends that, I'll take two.

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Re: UM..

Clearly you work in the "large enterprise enterprise where money is no object" world. In the real world, where the majority of the world's businesses are, we don't have access to unlimited bandwidth. In short, we can't or at least can't afford to replicate that data in real time. The data needs to get buffered somewhere before being spooled out to the DR site.

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Re: Why not just a backup product?

From the article:

In its designed-for role, I find the BDR 515 quite interesting. To my knowledge, this makes the ioSafe BDR515 the only unit available that solves a very real backup vulnerability gap experienced by small and medium businesses that backup their data offsite over the internet.

Many SMBs back up to a local "cloud gateway" that will then slowly send that data to its offsite destination over the course of days or weeks. Until that data is copied off of the cloud gateway device it is still vulnerable to whatever local disasters might affect the local data centre. The ioSafe BDR 515 would be immune to that, ensuring that as soon as the backups are completed the data is protected. This is something I've been waiting for a long time.

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Because the server is essentially *inside* a heat sink. There are two enormous fans on the back that serve to cool the heatsink. Air from outside does not actually get blown over the components of the x86 gubbins inside, just the external side of the heatsink to which they're bolted.

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Brit boffins get green light to edit human genome

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"My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task. And the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain"

--Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"

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Microsoft: Yes, we are going to kill off Enterprise Agreements

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Re: Does this mean no Windows installations will be free from forced updates?

Wrong. Plenty of MS software is only available through enterprise agreements.

Without EA, now what? We can only get that software through Azure subscription services? We can't buy it at all because we're too small too mater?

Both. Either. Microsoft fucks the SMB every which way it can.

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How to build a starship - and why we should start thinking about it now

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Re: Sad reality

300 people are needed for acceptable genetic diversity. Damned near everything else can be done by robots. Most of your colonists would end up biologists/medics or robotics engineers. The rest would be developers. You'd be surprised what you can do with robots when you have the budget. Even with today's technology. We really only use people for anything anymore because they're cheaper, or they have expertise in pattern recognition that is still too difficult to code and execute on silicon.

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NetApp hits back at Wikibon in cluster fluster bunfight

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Basing a company's future on the movement of that company's share price and why execs are leaving are perfectly valid diagnostic indicators for a company's health.

Comparing a company's share price to the share prices of other companies is not.

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Re: And why should we care about what Wikibon thinks?

I care what Wikibon thinks. I can point you to thousands of sysadmins and CIOs from companies ranging from 20 man to 2000 man who care what Wikibon thinks. Most of those folks care a lot more what Wikibon thinks than Gartner, Forrester, 451 or IDC.

If you want "pay to play", let's have a talk about the "tier 1" analysts. Indeed, given that I work with so many companies and have seen this from all angles, I would love to have a very public, very open, very transparent discussion about the state of marketing and analysis in tech. As a strong believer in the importance of independence, actual testing, proper research and full disclosure, I'll gladly use every single one of my pulpits to engage with that discussion.

So please, let's talk! Especially if you can get the folks at NetApp to reveal whom they have paid, how much, and for what. From marketing to analysis, whitepapers to "pay to play" let's get it all out in the open, shall we?

Wikibon absolutely get paid to do analysis. But I am more than willing to believe they are objective and relatively independent than Gartner and their ilk. Do you have any idea how hard it is to maintain some semblance of independence when analysis is your job? Let alone rake in millions upon millions?

So, hey, if your folks at NetApp are willing to open their kimono, I am more than willing to bang the drum about how the sausage is made.

What say you...are you game to put up?

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Uh...you just listed share prices without remotely looking at growth, number of shares, market capitalization or a squillion other things. Share prices mean less than comparing apples and sidewalks to the inky void of space. The prices need rather a lot of additional context to tell you anything at all about the companies.

I think you just rendered every post you've made in this thread a joke, as written by someone who doesn't understand what the nether fnord they're on about, mate.

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Re: Some extra detail

Hi, AC. Let me respond to your epistles point by each.

1 a) "Anecdotal evidence is interesting, especially when colored with confirmation bias. I assume you've spent your days talking to every single storage admin that's ever migrated to cDOT?"

No, I haven't talked to every single storage admin that's ever migrated to cDOT. I have talked to all those I could find and who were willing to talk to me. Just like I talk to sysadmins about their experiences with any and every bit of infrastructure (especially storage) or software they are willing to share experiences on. The more I learn about pain points the more informed my questions can be when I get the chance to talk to vendors. That's, you know, my job.

Regarding confirmation bias: I don't have any on this topic. Yes, I think NetApp is probably doomed, but the reasons for that are more related to issues around the support experience, partner/channel difficulties, sales targets, marketing and the utter incomprehension on NetApp's behalf of community management.

The cDOT thing is actually fairly incidental in my calculations. Despite that, the issue has been raised so many times, by so many sysadmins that when I saw what appeared to be a NetApp employee adding info to an article I took the opportunity to ask questions in the comments forum instead of using my full blown article pulpit.

The comments section receives less than 1% of the readers of a main article. NetApp has declined to assign me a PR flak to whom I can ask questions when I have them. This seemed a perfectly valid way to ask questions in a manner that would be relatively low impact to NetApp itself.

1b) "Where is your empirical evidence and precise examples of where dealing with cDOT/ONTAP is so much worse than any other vendor, so much so that it's worth the *extra* downtime to do so? Because all I see here is unfounded opinion."

Well, were I going to take the time to ask my sources to get official permission to discuss this, be named, and document their issues in full I would damned well expect to get paid for the effort. This means writing up a full article. Given the tales told around the boozer about this that article would be damning. Bordering on assassination. I have no interest in assassinating NetApp. At least not over the cDOT thing.

As to whether or not it is "worth the [extra] downtime" to migrate away from NetApp to another solution, different people have expressed different opinions on the topic. For some, they have heard of so many things going wrong during cDOT migrations that they flat out do not trust NetApp's claims of seamless migration and wouldn't try it, no matter what the spokesdroids say. For those customers the question then does NOT revolve around downtime (or lack thereof) but instead around the ROI and TCO of the different offerings.

Others are using solutions such as Datacore or Falconstore to migrate workloads from NetApp to other solutions live and without interruption. Some competing storage vendors have other tools which make migrations easier. Migrating workloads off of one storage vendor's tin and over to another its own industry.

Others might be willing to trust in NetApp's cDOT migration capabilities but view the cost of staying with NetApp as being higher than a competitor + the outage/effort required to migrate. And yes, there are those who have - successfully and unsuccessfully - felt that sticking with NetApp and doing the migration is the best path.

I am not claiming - nor have I claimed - that any of these paths is "correct". I asked questions and I was hoping for a reasoned response that would allow me to gather more data on the topic.

1c) "I'm fairly certain that there are legal avenues that can be taken if "CFT craters" on you. Luckily, CFT has rollback methodology built in, backed by decades of proven SnapShot technology."

What are those avenues? What is covered? Under what circumstances? Vague promises are irrelevant here. As for "has rollback technology"...great? I mean, that's some comfort, but the risks involved are so high that the existence of one possible technological remedy is just not remotely relevant compared to the importance of the financial and legal remedies that are available. As you seem to be involved in teh technology industry, I am hoping you are more than passingly familiar with risk management.

1 d) "I agree - Forklift upgrades are retro, which is precisely why customers are moving to cDOT."

I can see this as an easy enough marketing message. I am trying to match the corporate bravado with actual reports from systems administrators. To date, it would seem that those who trust in this particular bit of "messaging" are vastly outnumbered by those who do not.

Seem is the operative word here. I have stated what I see on the ground. I welcome rebuttal with facts and numbers that can be verified.

2a) "Wait. So first it was "NetApp was slow to the flash market" and now it's "congrats you have an all-flash solution. Big deal." Which is it? And I'm sure you realize that AFF is *not* classic FAS, right?"

First off, I don't recall saying NetApp was late to the flash party. It was, but that isn't something I consider relevant to today's systems administrators. Today, hybrid flash and all flash are common. No big deal. The question isn't "can you do it" - Synology can do it! - but "does your solution suck less than others and/or cost less than others?".

AFF may not be classic FAS, but they are really not so very far apart. While I have not personally had the opportunity to run AFF through the wringer, others whom I trust to be very good at testing these things found it to be decent on performance but less than middling on value. As always, more data to better refine analysis is better.

2b) "The data is out there and more is coming."

Hyperlinks would be appreciated. What I've seen so far does not convince me that NetApp is the be-all and end-all of storage by a long shot.

2c - "You complained about no proof in 2b, then shrug off the proof in 2c. This makes little sense."

Um, no. I acknowledged that the data provided was an important data point, but do not find that it is remotely adequate enough to call it for NetApp. Performance, looks great for one specific benchmark. NetApp should be proud, but that is really only one data point amongst the many needed. It also does not address TCO or ROI, nor the intersection of those two with performance.

Proper analysis considered multiple use cases, multiple (and mixed) workloads, ROI, TCO, performance, support, migration, reliability, insurance coverage, ecosystem, future proofing and migration friction/lock-in.

"I will say that your entire post would have been perfect if summed up in your last two paragraphs."

I am sure you would, as your pro-NetApp bias is pretty blatant. Which, to my mind, is aught but a stronger incentive to ask more - and more probing - questions.

"There *does* need to be industry-wide standards and testing done by independent groups. It needs to be impartial. The FUD slinging has to stop, and honestly, it starts with the people with the largest mouthpieces, like The Register."

See 1 a). I'm doing my job. What's yours, exactly?

And while you're at it, please have the bravery to use your real name. If you want to go after me, The Register and/or anyone else, don't hide behind the coward's veil.

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Re: Some extra detail

Hi D, a few questions, as your responses don't jive with administrators I've talked to.

1 a) Everyone I've talked to has said CDOT Migrations are a miserable bitch and usually edge towards "unmitigated disaster". Can you explain why this is? What are Netapp admins in the feild doing wrong? Why are their reports different from your own?

1 b) GTFOing NetApp is a one-time pain, followed by not having to deal with that shit again.

1 c) What are the risks with your CFT? DO you offer guarantees in the form of gigantic piles of cash if the CFT migration blows up and craters a company for hours/days/forever? How much cash, exactly?

1 d) I present to you: Pure Storage, amongst many, many others. Forklift upgrades are retro.

2 a) Congratulations: you made an array go faster by putting flash in it. Do you want a lollipop? How does it compare to competitor hybrid or AFA arrays on a $/GB/IOPS or $/GB/Latency basis? In case you missed it, that's the bit that matters. Your ability to compete with yourself is not relevant.

2 b) This is an interesting claim, as what I hear is that it is NetApp who can't achieve consistency of storage response for low-latency (or high throughput!) operations. I - and everyone else - would love to see these bake-off numbers, including details of the workload and the competitors against which it was measured, whether or not this was in a mixed workload environment, and more. He says/She says. Either could be right here.

2 c) This is a start, but it is also just one benchmark. See above.

Now, D, I am emphatically NOT saying that Netapp is wrong and Floyer is right. I am entirely willing to entertain that either side of this is wholly or partially right. What I am saying is that Floyer's take is backed by a large amount of anecdotal evidence that seems to reflect popular opinion on the subject.

I do not thing "blogs at dawn" is the answer. It's time for some serious engagement with independent testing groups. There are many. Pick a few and let's put this to bed so we can all focus on why NetApp doesn't have a proper hyperconverged solution. :) (No, EVO:Anything doesn't count. Look at your sales figures, you know it to be true.)

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NASA, Dept of Defense, Commerce etc probed over use of backdoored Juniper kit

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Re: eat your own dogfood

"Just wait till we get european islamic communists"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party

Close enough.

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Linux Foundation quietly scraps individual memberships

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Re: Disappointing

We get it. You like systemd. Buy why should it be mandatory - and in effect, it is - instead of optional? The whole point of the Unix philosophy was "do one thing and do it well", so that individual components you don't like can be swapped out. Systemd - and the massively REL-influenced projects like Gnome that that have decided to depend on it - remove choice.

Do you also think Microsoft was correct in telling it's users to go fuck themselves by removing the Start Menu, adding in Start Button, and then creating Windows 10 which creates a horror in place of a working start menu, doesn't let you fully turn off spying and removes your ability to control your updates? If so, why would anyone use Linux instead of Microsoft if both are to be removers of choice? If you don't agree with Microsoft's approach, why do you disagree with them and not with moves like systemd?

The removal of choice from administrators or end users is never a good thing. Nor is committing to a path that will get you to that "choiceless" future a piece at a time.

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Puppet Labs guards cash pile, gets chilly over IPO plans

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Good luck, Luke! Keep kicking ass. :)

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Microsoft: We’ve taken down the botnets. Europol: Would Sir like a kill switch, too?

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Re: Freedom!

Anti-lock brakes are regulated and must meet certain guidelines on functionality, safety, interface and so forth. They are provided as part of your car in a market that is rich with competitors. They do not prevent you from using your vehicle. They do not report you for driving "improperly", or force you to buy a new car. You do not have to pay a monthly subscription to keep them working.

Microsoft inspecting everything you do on your computer and beaming that information back to the mothership, complete with kill switch is a completely different scenario. Microsoft are functionally a monopoly. They behave like a monopolist and have proven repeatedly they cannot be trusted. They are not regulated by anyone. They answer to no one, excepting their massively corrupt and equally untrustworthy government.

Can you guarantee me that this kill switch won't be used on me if I do something perfectly legal in my jurisdiction but which the US has a problem with? How about if I am a political dissident? What if I am a journalist working with the next Snowden?

Can you guarantee that Microsoft won't use this kill switch on me if I use an authentication bypass on my operating system, or on any of my applications? In my country these aren't illegal, as long as I do posses a license. Bypassing the DRM in order to make it easier to virtualize/clone/backup/whatever is perfectly fine here.

What about if it accidentally picks up something as "malware", but isn't? What if I am journalist or grey hat hacker investigating a bot net?

Who gets to decide when Microsoft can kill my computer? How, exactly, are we assured that this won't be abused, by Microsoft or by a government? How do non-Americans have any say in how that regulatory and/or oversight process occurs? Once that capability is in place, what prevents any government - even not the US - from demanding and requiring access? You KNOW that China, the US, the UK and Australia will be in there instantly. Probably already are, as the EULA says MS has the right to do this, so the code is probably there, waiting to be used.

In short: Anti-lock brakes are a feature on a vehicle that is very specifically narrow in scope and in impact. They were and are rigorously tested and their use is regulated.

Oh, and my car DOES have a button on it that turns my anti-lock brakes and my traction control off (they are essentially one and the same system). The manufacturer put it in because they are aware that there are instances (such as when you are stuck in the snow and need out) that the ability to turn that feature off is very useful.

Another big difference is that when I push the button to turn the ABS/TC off, I believe it does, in fact, turn off. I don't believe for a second that turning off Windows 10 spyware actually turns it off (the damned thing still calls home) and I don't believe for a second that if they put in a "don't kill my PC" switch that they would honour it.

Microsoft cannot be trusted.

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Re: Not invisible

"People don;t object to having their car inspected for roadworthiness at regular intervals: perhaps the same approach should apply to Internet-connected devices?"

My car is inspected by any of thousands of licensed mechanics in my city all of whom must meet regulatory criteria that is regularly reviewed by my government and subject to the input of industry experts. There is a vibrant industry of competition in the provisioning of the vehicles, the maintenance of these vehicles and the inspection thereof.

My car is not subject to the whims of a monopolist who has proven repeatedly that they absolutely cannot be trusted. Microsoft is such a monopolist and they absolutely have proven themselves untrustworthy.

There is no universe in which I will hand over control of my desktop to Microsoft. Not to them, and sure as all hell not to their government.

Microsoft cannot be trusted.

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Re: Boom!

"how is it shooting themselves in the foot"

Microsoft have raised a possible future tactic that relies entirely on the public trusting Microsoft, and by extension all the governments to which they must answer.

None of those entities are trustworthy. Not Microsoft, not the governments. The fact that Microsoft does not understand this - does not seem to be capable of comprehending the importance of trust - is the footbullet.

Microsoft just thunder around like a monopoly: in their minds there is no need for trust because noone has a choice but to use them. I hope they are proven wrong and driven out of business. With extreme prejudice.

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Russian Pastafarian wins right to bear colander

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Re: Fighting talk!

"The difference being that even Pastafarians don't ACTUALLY believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. With any other religion you can be pretty sure that the true believers really are true believers."

So those priests raping little boys really believed in the God of the bible? Those protestants lynching blacks and building walls against latinos take "do unto others" truly to heart?

Bullshit. Bull fucking shit.

My belief in Jibbers Crabst is more real and profound than the majority of mainstream religious believers' belief in their deity and I dare you to prove, using evidence otherwise.

Yours truly,

--A born again Crabstian.

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Re: I feel bad for the bureacrats

Don't see why its a good thing that he should have to wear it. Who is this police officer to tell him how his religion works? If you respect the fucked up quackery of one religion you should respect the fucked up quackery of all religions.

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Full of fear at work: Blame the boss, or yourself?

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Re: When to panic .... and when to stop

The sad thing is, that so many IT shops these days are so hidebound with processes, reviews, buy-in, "quality" (ha!), and all the other buzz-word stages that get between a dam' good idea and making it happen that it's often more rewarding, much less effort and a lot of fun to move the fan closer to the brown stuff - and instead of avoiding problems, let them happen and then be a superhero. After all, who doesn't like a good panic every now and again?

This isn't my experience. In my experience everything goes all to shit, I work my ass off to pull the nose up before it all plows into the ground and there is no "superhero" anything involved. No matter whose fault it is, I get shit on for letting it happen because I'm the one who knew how to fix it, so I was the most visible person involved.

I don't believe IT staffs want to "be a superhero" to the business. Every single one I've ever met would rather not be noticed at all by the business. They just want to do their thing, collect a steady paycheque and fade into the background. They are the ghosts in the machine. They are rarely seen and never heard.

The problem with change is "who gets the blame".

If a bossunit trundles into mission control and declares that X will occur, immediately the nerds put their shields up. Will the time-frame be enough? The budget? Will there be scope for training? What about testing, QA and UAT? The answer is pretty much always "no" to all of the above, and it sure as shit isn't the manager who is going to take the flak when it all inevitably goes pear-shaped.

IT people can document their concerns, protest, raise flags and otherwise shake the tree about the problems that will inevitably happen, are happening and more. It doesn't matter. They will be ignored as alarmists until it does break, at which point they'll be sanctioned for allowing it to break.

If you work in IT you simply can't win. The game is rigged from the very start. That is why IT staffs are risk averse. That is why we all fear change. Properly scoped and funded projects run by managers who listen to the techs and understand the importance of adequate time and resources are myths. Fairy tales told to IT techs to keep them in line. "Be good", we're told, "and one day all of this could be yours".

If you work in IT the only winning move is not to play.

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Microsoft herds biz users to Windows 10 by denying support for Win 7 and 8 on new CPUs

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Re: Enough of this.

"What's wrong with Windows XP run as a virtual machine?"

1) Virtual machine != security.

2) I have applications that need physical access to ports or cards to drive things.

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Re: Enough of this.

Just because this is true today doesn't mean it will be 5 or 10 years from now. Getting to the point of support has to start somewhere, and it's a fuck of lot better than praying for change or help that simply is not going to happen.

Maybe ReactOS will never be suitable for the enterprise. Or maybe it will. The Russian government appears to be tentatively backing development now as they seek an alternative to Microsoft, and it's open source so if they try anything funny we can eventually audit the thing for back doors.

Maybe nothing comes of supporting ReactOS, but I would rather go down swinging than just passively take it from Microsoft for all eternity.

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Enough of this.

It's time to put my money where my mouth it. I need a Win32 compatible environment. Microsoft isn't going to provide one. It's time to back ReactOS as strongly as I can.

https://www.reactos.org/

Maybe if enough of us stop bitching and start pitching in, we can win. The odds aren't great..but the alternatives are pretty crap*.

*Oh, hi, systemd!

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Re: Shock Horror new CPUs won't support 7 year old OS

If Microsoft offered a suitable replacement operating system we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As it stands, Microsoft has only offered up a tinker toy riddled with spyware that doesn't stop spying when you try to turn it off and which removes from end users control over the most basic and critical aspects of their own operating system, such as updates and when the system reboots.

I'm sorry, but Windows 10 is simply not fit for purpose, full stop.

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Microsoft: douchecanoes extraordinare.

Asshats. I hope they drown in their own hubris. That goes for all who support them in their customer-hostile ways.

The trust is gone. May they never earn it back.

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Re: This race to the bottom won't end well

"Microsoft's hybrid cloud option makes it easy to move servers both to and from Azure so that's certainly not the case for Microsoft."

If cloud revenues dip, Microsoft will just turn the tap on the on-premises licenses. Oh, what's that? They just did? Who would have ever predicted it?!?

Microsoft can't be trusted. Run far away, and do so as fast as you can.

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Re: Not going to work

I capture at least some of the rain and then use it for watering indoor plants. Eventually that water is either converted into more plants or evaporates. I'm sure it hits the ground at some point, but I get to control and use it before it does.

Seems to me a similar approach towards public cloud computing is not a bad plan.

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Re: @KeithR

"your computers are more deserving of passionate outbursts than your wife is"

There are lots of passionate outburst for my wife that come from me. They are generally loving, caring, respectful and not tied some archaic sense of ownership.

If you are asking do I feel that I own my wife then the answer is no. She is a human being. She owns herself. That includes her sexuality. If you cannot understand that then I fear you are completely devoid of any sense of human compassion. Likely there is no hope for you.

Even if I were upset with my wife for finding happiness wherever she can find it, I completely fail to understand why I would A) be mad at her lover or B) somehow be mad at a company that individual founded by no longer runs.

Take your ancient and worthless puritanical morals and bother someone else. I don't believing in owning other human beings.

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@KeithR

Bill Gates doesn't run Microsoft. Staya Nadella does. So why would what Bill Gates does (or doesn't do) make me dislike Microsoft? I dislike Microsoft because of what Microsoft has done. Period. They have violated professional ethics and put myself and my customers at risk. They have done so against our will, which is the critical bit here. They have violated a hard built trust to do so. If you cannot understand what that is an issue then why the fuck do you think you're qualified to say anything about computers, ever?

And if I did find Bill Gates sticking it to the misses, I wouldn't be all that upset, so long as it's consensual. It's her body and her life; I don't control her and I wish her nothing but happiness. If she can find some with a continent-hopping philanthropist, who am I to judge?

I demand only control over what is mine, and nobody owns another person. Marriage is not ownership. By the same token, I get righteously pissed off when someone treats me as if they own me, or treats what is mine as though it was theirs.

And no, I do not buy the American Intellectual Property argument that just because it's software then it isn't mine. Once I have purchased it - or the rights to use it - then it is mine. Under my control, not that of the vendor. Fuck this neo-industrialism belief that the hoi polloi should never own a thing, only rent their entire lives with no control over what they rent, with the costs going ever upwards until the milled masses are forever in debt to a handful of "owners" who pay the people less than it costs to rent the facilities and tools required to live.

My equipment, my control. And I will absolutely fight to the bitter fucking end against any company or individual who attempts to change that dynamic. If you don't like it, then get fucked, mate. Simple as.

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@Geoffrey W

The fact that a group policy option exists to prevent GWX bullshit from infecting your system does not make it okay, nor should we pretend that this is somehow an acceptable state of affairs.

If you want Windows 10 you should have to go download Windows 10. It should emphatically not be part of nagware presented as part of Windows Update, and is especially shouldn't be part of nagware in the "important" or "critical" categories!

Using Windows Update for this shit is not okay.

Removing control of Windows Update from us in Windows 10 is not okay.

Installing spyware against our will is not okay.

Not being able to turn off spyware is not okay.

Having a knob to turn off spyware and then having that spyware NOT TURN OFF is even more not okay!

Forcing the ribbon bar on us as part of Windows Explorer is not okay.

Integrating local searches with web searches is not okay. There is no rational reason Microsoft needs to know the contents of anything on my network or what I am seaching for on my network. EVER.

Oh, and the so-called start menu in Windows 10 is a piece of shit.

But other than that, Windows 10 is fine.

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Re: @Trevor_Pott - Re Microsoft privacy abuse, etc.

Well, my response is to simply stop supporting Microsoft software. I'm out. It's someone else's problem. If you want to be a business keeping up with MS, then you'll be one I won't work for.

That won't change everyone, but it does increase my personal sanity and happiness. And maybe if fewer and fewer of us make this choice - even if it is financially burdensome for us to make it - then Microsoft will find it harder to sell into businesses, get hit in the wallet, and sink.

I also pray to Jibbers each night that an earth-cross asteroid has its orbit perturbed by another earth-crossing asteroid and plows into the Redmond campus of Microsoft, removing the problem. So far, Jibbers has declined to grant my prayers, but I will keep trying.

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"Trev, are you speaking about the same Apple that tried to force install the Safari browser on Windows users as a critical security update if you had Quicktime installed?"

Something for which Apple apologized and didn't do again. That whole thing didn't last very long.

You know, we've all let vendors get away with a lot. We've let Microsoft get away with a lot. But this is about the cumulative effects as much as it is the individual issues. Microsoft just keep doing it. They have no remorse, no shame, and show no indication of changing. Apple make mistakes, but they learn from them. Microsoft do not.

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I did, I did write i backwards. The shame, the shame!

50 lashes with a COA sticker and one week using Windows 8 for me.

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The lightning connector thing is indeed one time where Apple came close. And if you want to have a similar conversation about Microsoft let's have a nice long conversation about VDI licensing. Or that per-core bullshit they're pulling.

But you know what? I put that all to one side. There are financial issues and there are ethical ones.

Playing silly buggers to make people pay more money is one thing. It's not great, but it's business. I'll fight that with any vendor, and they'll fight me right back. That's just the way things are.

Abusing the updates system to push nagware, spyware, entire unwanted operating systems and override clearly set user choices (repeatedly!) is absolutely not okay. That's crossing an ethical line. It's a breach of trust.

Similarly, "You aren't allowed to manage your own updates" is absolutely NOT treating customers with respect. It is saying that customers can't choose what they would like to run, and telling them that having the operating system made as cheap to support for Microsoft as possible is more important than any requirements, desires or so forth that *all* customers have.

With the faith broken, and Microsoft looking down their long noses at their own customers, why should I believe that Microsoft won't just push down a massive UI change against our will, just because they can? Or maybe even an API change that renders existing applications non-functional? Every argument you might raise is invalid because Microsoft has broken the faith and the trust is gone. No reason seems to exist behind their choices and no reasons can be expected to temper their future choices.

So yeah: Apple gouge you. But they really only gouge you for money.

Microsoft want your privacy, your security, your very right to control your own operating system and computing ecosystem to be removed from you. And they're not above breaking the sacred trust of an operating system update mechanism to do it.

Bring on the Mac, baby. Even if it costs more.

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