685 posts • joined Tuesday 25th May 2010 11:58 GMT
Re: Remeber "Hypocrisy is the vaseline of politcal intercourse"
Also with a predilection for web sites of dubious morality ..... well certainly Methodist morality anyway.
Re: massive blackmail database being compiled...
Have you got any actual proof that this is happening?
@Mayhem Re:- Chickens et al
There is a bit of a difference here between Western Media, and Jihadi leaders. It is perhaps a moot point that the western media outlets brainwash folks into becoming minimum wage workers. That said taking that premise as true, and assuming because of this you have carried on with your job at say KFC that is at the end of the day your career choice.
Again it might be argued that a person who is brainwashed into Jihadist work program also makes that choice. But what about the other people .. All the people who just wanted to turn up for work in the World Trade Centre, Lee Rigby, Malala Yousafzai, folks going to work on the tube, and so on.
I’m not convinced that this comparison of the Western Media and the Jihadi leaders really holds water. On the one hand you have the sheeple being persuaded that they aren’t worth much, and on the other well yes as I have said the comparison doesn’t really work.
Re: @Will – The Problem
Yes I see a problem with conflating the maximum sentence for an offence with a sentence that has been given as a result of a conviction.
Senators wanted to know if Bitcoin was being used by terrorists, paedos, money launderers and other criminals.
Yes all of the above would be the answer to this question then.
Wasted effort, surely .......
I mean what is the North Korean thinking. Even if the salaries are lower than China what company in its right mind would want to employ staff in a country with an evil dictator and the dubious human rights …… Oh err yes ‘All of them’ you say ……… Carry on
Re: PR morons
Personally I think it's worse than that even, in that bankers actually believe their own propaganda. I guess this still makes them high functioning psychopaths and the end result is the same.
Re: This article reads like an ad.
I have to agree with the OP. The article reads too much like an advertisement.
Re: I don't want a watch, I want a Leela-from-Futurama wristcomp
It could have a nice soft plastic type body on the top of the forearm with some sort of neopreney sleeve to put it on with
Wouldn't this be a bit warm for extended wearing/use? Just a thought.
Re: Monopoly can be a hard game .. @Mark
You argument on the risks the early adopters took for the potential rewards is frankly spurious. Also the argument to some extent is lost in the extensive advertisement for bitcoin.
That said you also go on to ask in what way law enforcement organisations might oppose the various vested interests in bitcoin, obvious answers to date being:
1. Closing silk road
2. Locking the bank accounts of the Mt. Gox exchange
3. Bitcoin foundation ‘Cease and Desist order’
Re: Monopoly can be a hard game ..
I agree that bitcoin probably isn’t as such a Pyramid Scheme. That said just like a Pyramid scheme the later adopters are very likely to lose. Bitcoin if anything seems far more like a stock market bubble ….. which sooner or later is likely to burst leaving the investors with nothing.
As an aside I can’t see what bigger risks the early adopters took? If my understanding is correct there are two ways of obtaining bitcoin either, buying or mining. Both of which were cheaper for the early adopters. E.g. early buyers could get bitcoin for less than a dollar, and mining could be done on a home PC drawing single phase electricty.
Bitcoin seems to be in effect very much like buying a derivative where the value is determined solely by the belief system of the market but with neither a tangible product, nor service to sustain the price.
The fundamental problem with bitcoin (also I know argued to be its advantage) is that unlike money as such it has no powerful sponsor. This would be the basis on which I would categorise it as a stock market bubble rather than currency (or indeed crypto currency).
The question then is how many people will keep exchanging bitcoin … actually probably the more apposite question is why people will exchange bitcoin. It’s main Raison d'être appears to be its use in illegal markets.
I guess what you then have is a situation where a semi legal powerful sponsor of bitcoin might emerge and justify its use as currency. But that said the various legal organisations will oppose that sponsor. So the bubble bursts when the law wins.
Re: Before anybody suggests it is confined to the US ...
Dammit Jake was going to suggest that one. Mind even you have to admit that the US does have a fine selection of very special
needs game show contestants for Jeremy Kyle …….
Re: No jokes about offshoring
What is there to joke about, doubtless along with all the scientific instruments will be a telecommunications satellite.
This way the Martians will be also be able to benefit from Indian call centres ........
@Jake … My answer is …
‘Dems & Reps … shotgun foot engagement … Greens/Indie victors’
Now then, now then, so I have heard it said that the problem with American Politics is that you have the Republicans (Conservatives/Tories/Whigs etc) and then you have the Democratic Party who are more like emm, also Conservatives, Tories, Whigs etc.
It has been suggested that what the US really needs is a Labour Party. This would provide … ooo hang on… Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Scratch that one, if you are right ‘Gawd/ess help us all ….’
In an email to Cumberbatch released on WikiLeaks ….. Assange has claimed the movie "vilifies and marginalises a living political refugee to the benefit of an entrenched, corrupt and dangerous state"…… The white-haired one, who is still lurking in the Ecuadorian embassy, accused film studio DreamWorks of having ties to "powerful interests in the US government", …. script on the two most "toxic" and "biased" accounts instead.
"I know the film intends to depict me and my work in a negative light. I believe it will distort events and subtract from public understanding. It will resurrect and amplify defamatory stories which were long ago shown to be false."
So that would be an very accurate portrayal then ?
Re: Chalk one up for the War on Drugs
At least your boss and the load of low key users can rely on the legal come back if they buy chalk, baking soda or worse. Depending on the circumstances the supplier could either be charged with fraud or possibly even theft.
As to the matter of bitcoin if the primary marketplace has now been removed does it matter that it's appeal will be reduced? Philosophically if it's Raison d'être is no more why does it matter?
Re: Seriously now....
...... it seems not. That may be the problem?
Re: The FBI must be terrified
Assuming that Ali's comment was heavy on irony I have to agree. Doesn't the FBI have quite a long history of not being intimidated by criminals?
Mind, and I suspect it's been said before, 'In Cyber Space nobody can hear you scream'.
Nice one ...
I can't see any redeeming features for Silk Road, the anonymous Internet marketplace.
The world will be a better place without it being available.
Re: Is this a first?
I agree and it would also appear that at least for mobile phone data the balance of oversight and access to information seems about right in Europe. The first article on the register that acknowledges that terrorist plots may well have been foiled, and that this information is invaluable in solving crimes.
Makes a bit of a change from the Rabid Anti-NSA/GCHQ articles.
The machinations of the US government, the PATRIOT act and associated privacy concerns due to departmental data sharing are very much a matter of indifference. At the end of the day they are a foreign power, and will collect what data they can from me how they may.
I was intrigued by the support offered to the recently organised EFF protests. If you read the small print carefully the only people who benefited were Americans. Now then I don’t have anything against Americans, but without appearing too unsympathetic how about you chaps fight your own protests on the Internet? They are your liberties not mine for which you are fighting.
The point I am making is that there is little point getting outraged about something you signed up for and get for free. That is if you sign up for either Facebook Twitter or a Tesco Club card you are agreeing to people collecting and processing your information.
The pregnant girl point you make above sounds far more like a Tesco club card than either of Facebook or Twitter but that said it is valid. When you get the thing you agree to them collecting your data. Surely you shouldn’t be too surprised when they do just that and get it right?
I understand your concern about government agencies but personally don’t think they are likely to collate every word as you write and say. There are a few reasons for my thoughts:
• I seriously don’t think they would be motivated to do so, most do acknowledge the existence of the DPA and HRA
• They couldn’t afford the disk
• Also probably not competent enough to collect the data in the first place
I hope the train journey home is a little better than this morning?
Re: When *any* government says "Trust us" what should do?
Treat the statement with a degree of scepticism. That said if you believe in any of:
The New World Order
you could try some of the above suggestions.
Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't
… an NSA employee may be sanctioned if the NSA deems their bit of fluff as a threat. If that really is how the NSA operates, and the employees accept this …
Not too sure how NSA works. But yes, assuming that your ‘bit of fluff’ was considered a threat it would affect somebody in possession of a security clearance. I guess the employees of NSA may well accept this much the same as any other place.
Re: Dan1980’s frothy skinny latte
The reason there is no jury might be because this was traffic analysis of the phone calls rather than wiretapping.
Dan1980’s frothy skinny latte
Ooo yes frothy very frothy…. Looking at your points:
1. NSA Safeguards are inadequate
12 cases doesn’t seem a huge number? How many people work for the NSA, 100, 1000 ….
2. NSA Oversight is inadequate
Arguably this may be true, but it appears that against the wishes of POTUS it is being beefed up anyway
2. (sic) NSA Discipline is inadequate
So you would you like capital punishment? Effectively you are suggesting some low level employee be shot for what is essentially a ‘domestic’?
I don't quite follow 'The route to hell starts at localhost' ?
Revelations ??? Really ?
I am astounded by both this article and the comments. An analogy of this diatribe is it’s a bit like storing your pet goldfish in a tank of hungry piranhas and then running around going OMG OMG the bastards ate my fish.
So what you peoples are saying is:
‘I am horrified that when I post in a public forum people I don’t know might read it’?
‘or worse organisations whose raison d’etre are reading it’?
When you sign up for Facebook and Twitter you agree to all sorts of people using your data. What is your problem? Piranhas eat goldfish (*1) , marketing and intelligence organisations ‘eat’ data, if you hand them goldfish on a plate, surprise, surprise they think dinner is served?
(*1) At least the Hollywood portrayals of Piranhas, I admit to no personal knowledge of piranha’s dietary behaviour. But as a plus I can assure any vegans out there that neither goldfish, nor piranhas were harmed during the posting of this comment.
Re: Spying on India you say
Thinking this one through what they might have thought is that
• with India being one of the States that has Nuclear weapons
• space programs could be converted over to ICBM usage
then thought, ah, so, this might be an area of interest.
Now then, now then, obviously they will have sat around and waited for an Indian freedom of information hero such as Ed to appear and tell them everything. Then they may have just got a bit impatient ……
Assuming that your reply isn’t just your own trolling I can answer that one.
1. We pay for them.
Yes we do from taxes but this money pays for the men and women of the military to carry out tasks at risk
to their life.
2. What they do is democratically accountable to us.
Whilst these people are paid for by us, and indeed their actions are democratically accountable, we are also accountable to them and in particular to their safety.
Information classification systems are based on this principle so for instance the classification ‘secret’ would be information which if known would be ‘ life-threatening , disruptive to public order or detrimental to diplomatic relations with friendly nations’.
Clearly releasing these details about drone attacks could compromise the safety of the people on the ground who also might be involved.
So on balance you are trading a significant risk to the lives of people on the ground, against the right to freely available government information. With ‘rights’ come also responsibilities to other ‘rights’ (life, liberty etc) and as such your democratic right to the information is superseded by the militaries ‘right’ to keep people alive.
Re: IPv6 and greater openness is the answer, not self-promoting IETF drafts
Well I never? It seems there is more on the issue of black choppers. After a little more searching I found a forum advertising BI black choppers.
Looking at the posting I guess this would be somebody tentatively looking to maybe use UAV’s to gather business intelligence. Anyway I fired off an email inquiry, further it would seem they would be very keen to demonstrate their products, and I have been invited to a local BI black chopper roast.
Just wondering if the wife would like to go as well she likes a nice BBQ, although she might not be so keen on UAV’s.
Re: IPv6 and greater openness is the answer, not self-promoting IETF drafts
..... posh suburban pub you’re more likely to be invited to a swingers group or a spot of dogging ... google-search
You may have a point here, after searching for 15 combinations of 'where posh pub channell drinks Stephen' I can't hear any black choppers.
The IETF can propose what they like but the big question then is ‘how it is going to get funded’?
The history of the Internet both past and on-going illustrates exactly this point. Originally like, or lump, it the Internet was derived from a world-wide defense (military) network. The [defense scientists/fascist jackbooted minions of our totalitarian leaders (delete to taste as appropriate) ] would have funded Arpanet because they wanted to exchange defense information.
If you had used it at that time why would you have assumed that your email wasn't monitored?
Going forward this network was then handed over to commercial interests. Fast forward again most of the organisations who are heavily interested (i.e. funding) the internet are perhaps even more interested in [obtaining marketing information/spying]. They provide the funding because they can see the value of the [marketing info/illegal interceptions].
Where is the money going to come from to fund the IETF’s Utopian ideas for the PRISM free Internet? Or if you prefer in El Reg speak who is going to spaff up the cash?
Surely there is a certain irony to these comments on the exposure of somebodies private life posted against a story about excessive surveillance?
MS Best Days?
Microsoft has all its best days ahead. Know you are part ..... that would be say Monday, Tuesday maybe Wednesday next week. After those days back to business as usual?
Re: Yeah, just because you disagree with someone..
Regardless of the opinion of the majority they (in this case the EDL) should have the right to Freedom of Speech.
To my mind a good summary is "The free communication of ideas and opinions is one of the most precious of the rights of man. Every citizen may, accordingly, speak, write, and print with freedom, but shall be responsible for such abuses of this freedom as shall be defined by law." .
You have the right to say it regardless of the opinion of the majority.
Re: Nothing new @Trevor_Pott
Not at all sure what your first post is either about, or in response to my post.
Assuming that you might have been responding to my post I wasn't suggesting Policing a *chan. I would guess in the event that it was required that would be the job of the Police.
Re: Nothing new
The way I would look at it is if you receive a malicious phone call you can approach the Police and report the call. As I know from experience BT will take responsibility in that they will provide the Police with the details of the caller and also block that number from calling you again. The Police will, and in the case I dealt with successfully, attempt to apprehend the malicious caller,
So if you are saying that 4chan is a legitimate site, and not to be labelled 'en masse' as a cess pit, what responsibility do they take in these circumstances?
Go girl ......
This story is the epitome of what I think about the Anonymous spawn of 4chan. It is nice just for once to see somebody fight back against their attempts at censorship.
I for one take my hat off to Nina.
I think the way it goes is Asylum is granted where somebody fears persecution. Assuming the US can convince Russia that this isn't the case this could be withdrawn
Re: Dear United States of America
Mr Putin described him as 'an unwanted gift' not quite the sort of phrase usually used to describe a PR coup,
Re: shameless self-marketing, foc
Which would also pretty much describe Ed Snowden as well. I guess this may well be the start of a beautiful friendship.
Re: Not a whistleblower @AbelSoul
Ehm, perhaps because he blew the f*cking whistle?
Unseasoned statements and profanity not much of an answer.
Go and look up a definition of Whistleblower (You don't even have to go far - there are three already on this thread).
FYI. I cut and pasted the definition of Whistleblower from above.
Manning himself pleaded guilty to a number of charges, it would seem that the public interest (whistle blowing) defense applied to a number of others for which he was found not guilty. That said .....
Intent has the square root of hee-haw to do with it.
I would disagree with this and from my understanding so would US law. It would seem -
Under most US federal whistleblower statutes, in order to be considered a whistleblower, the federal employee must have reason to believe his or her employer has violated some law, rule or regulation; testify or commence a legal proceeding on the legally protected matter; or refuse to violate the law.
He didn't have 'reason to believe', as such he just had access to a load of information which he wanted to trade to his advantage (given this wasn't financial I have assumed this to be reasons of ego), he dumped the whole lot.
He appears to have got lucky in that some of the information arguably might be defined as 'Whistle blowing' so he got off some charges. A whole load of information wasn't whistleblowing and as such he was charged with espionage, theft etc.
Re: Not a whistleblower
Nope I can't see how the 'Whistleblower' applies even Manning himself pleaded guilty to a number of offences.
When asked why he admitted his action were wrong Manning said "Your Honor, regardless of my opinion or my assessment of documents such as these, it's beyond my pay grade – it's not my authority to make these decisions about releasing confidential files."
On the basis that he himself admits he wouldn't know if he was exposing "misconduct, alleged dishonest or illegal activity occurring in an organisation." how can he be a Whistleblower?
Far from being motivated by public interest his (self confessed) illegal actions appear to have been largely motivated by conspicuous self promotion albeit as it turns out not in a good way.
I would thought a better argument for his defense might be diminished responsibility on account of his Narcissism?
Cleared of aiding the enemy but Guilty of multiple espionage counts
and five theft charges, two computer fraud charges and multiple military infractions.
Difficult to see how the court could realistically decide any other way.
Re: @John Smith 19
So in essence what you are saying is if you put stuff on either the Internet or on the cloud you leave yourself in a worse position than I described in my original response?
That being the case I can only conclude that the sensible either approach, or indeed PoV is mine. Don't put sensitive things on the cloud.
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