Even the Guardian has articles suggesting that far from being "Extrajudicial killings" these actions were both lawful and proportionate.
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Even the Guardian has articles suggesting that far from being "Extrajudicial killings" these actions were both lawful and proportionate.
The quote I found was The company generates most of its revenue through the sale of ads displayed on its network.. Which suggests why they might allow you to sign in with Facebook or Twitter.
That said this might not be the best commercial basis for funding help desk and monitoring software.
Back in the Thatcher days .. I never voted for her, nor in fact John Major.
That said a term of Tony Blair from 1997 convinced me that maybe these sort of politicians aren't the best people to run the country.
I would admit to voting for the Tories.
I don't have any particular political bias one way or the other .. they both seem as bad as each other. I think for me it was the thought that we would get another Labour government in the style of the last few. Where the policy seemed to be to give as much money to people who were on benefits so they would carry on voting Labour.
This was a major contribution to the deficit and doesn't do a lot for those of us who work, have to pay for our own housing and so on.
I didn't take much notice of the Blue corner either .. just thought that Ed Cameron was less like Gordon Brown and Tony Blair.
as people went to vote they remembered Tony Blair, and Gordon Brown thought ah that David Miliband ... would be much the same.
.. it's a damn' sight harder to see any case for supporting Sony...
Not so sure on that one ...
Wikileaks - sells other peoples material
Sony - sell original material
Surely more of a "toss up" between them both?
Ah yes a good plan albeit with one minor flaw.
1) Bring it out in the open. Make them declare publicly all jobs and contracts they take out while being MPs; or
This is the approach now ... the "House of Commons the Register of Members' Interests"
I can't feel any sympathy for Ross at all. He ran a web site which facilitated many illegal activities. He seems to my my mind, among other things, to have been correctly convicted of narcotics-trafficking, .
His only defense being that he wasn't DPR which given that he was caught red-handed being DPR fell apart. Even Ross and his defense team didn't argue with the charges regarding the legality of Silk Road ... this seems to me one of the more unequivocal convictions of somebody basically caught 'bang to rights' doing the crime.
and the Cream Egg would still be made with chocolate ... rather than the vomit US equivalent.
This might just work ... when it disappeared my theory was that it was sitting on Mar with a screen saying something along the lines of "Press any key to continue .... "
I 'll bet even the staff of "Charlie Hebdo" and all the Yazidis are laughing along with you ...
This is Jake ... from what I have seen a citizen who lives off the beaten track in the USA. My guess is that he has enough military hardware to fully supply an insurgency in any small to medium sized African nation?
Just a thought.
Along with every other 'corporate' that just exists to service shareholder value and no longer produces any innovation.
Luckily enough, Ellison didn't fall victim to the conference-demo curse on his first outing as CTO, and nothing crashed. Lucky enough for the poor saps that put the demo together nothing crashed and they got away with their lives ....
Your post contains one flaw in re-engineering, in particular your list Paedophiles, Benefit Fraudsters, Extreme Porn producers, and Extremist’s would all be considered criminals. These activities would have been considered criminal both before and during your life time. Further to this almost all other societies would consider these activities criminal.
Whereas the 1946 poem contains a list of people who would largely not have been considered criminals until such time as the specific government to which Martin refers made these things criminal.
The Met Police seized records from the Sun whilst investigating the actions of their own staff in lying to the press. How this either is 'Mass Surveillance' or conflates with the actions of genuine whistle blowers is hard to see?
Edward Snowden ?
4. Neither the Ukrainian nationalists, or separatists are right (or wrong). That said the associated Russian intervention is neither right or wrong ...
4a) The West should be very cautious about intervening.
I did hear a comment here that 'Russia had always considered Ukraine within it's sphere of influence, and their understanding of the place would be better than NATO's'.
That said I suspect they took Crimea out of self interest since the black sea fleet is based there, which sort of begs the question why they ever gave the place to Ukraine in the first place.
Just like in Afghanistan where Russia invaded illegally and the West was forced to support the resistance. After that the whole place didn't get really sorted out until the Russians left and we all invaded properly ... well it did didn't it?
“We view Apps different than books or songs, which we do not curate. If you want to criticize a religion, write a book. If you want to describe sex, write a book or a song, or create a medical App.”
Or indeed download it from some celebrities Icloud account ....
GCHQ will be a prohibited place under the terms of the OSA. Even if the Police aren't allowed to reveal that you are in a prohibited place there will be signs all round the perimeter fence saying this anyway.
Not in this case. Depending on the photograph contents the two laws that might apply are:
The Official Secrets Act (OSA)
The OSA could (would in fact) apply to photographs of GCHQ (and I think within 50 metres of perimeter). The Counter-Terrorism Act could apply to photographs of employees.
The local newspapers suggest it was cider ... which makes sense given the West Country theme.
There are some of us who hold the albeit possibly quaint theory that the intelligence agencies do in fact do this to a larger extent.
Choking a bit at the cost of the license fee there AC? I didn't think that many Islamic Jihadists worked for the BBC.
If the intention is to export Assange ™ to the US why would the Feds trump up charges in Sweden? A country where it is harder to arrange extradition than the UK.
The MP's may have also voted on the basis that the majority of this law merely retains existing capabilities which are in the process of being revoked by an unfortunate decision by the ECJ.
For email (to which I think you refer) the 'metadata' would be everything sent by either the MAIL or RCPT commands. The, possibly encrypted, content of the communication is sent by the DATA command.
For traditional telecommunications, i.e. phone, the telecoms companies store this information for billing purposes anyway.
The new law does seem to have more transparency on the questions of how often and for what data is used. The old law contains a list of the organisations who could access this data and the reasons that they might access the data.
Do remember that this law requires the communications traffic data, and not the content of communications, are retained.
In the words of the register the Chocolate Factory is Google, and Microsoft is Microsoft.
This article seems a bit odd in that it is Microsoft who bought Nokia and Google bought Motorola.
The company missed analyst expectations of $17.1bn for the period, making 17.63bn revenue instead.
Is this a mistake ... surely if the analyst's expected $17.1 bn and MS made 17.63 bn revenue this is a good thing ?
Earlier you said the security services weren't intercepting the communications!! Here you seem to be accepting that the security services have been intercepting terrorist communications.
Yes and no. My original explanation was lacking. What happened was that in the 1980s and 90s the security services had the capability to look at telecommunications metadata. With the emergence of the internet that capability was lost.
Much of RIPA and PATRIOT is extending the security services original capabilities for telecommunications traffic to include internet based communications.
"Looking at ‘today’ … tomorrow will take care of itself, surely ?"
I can't deny that it looks better superficially. …The country is run by people who have been shown to be corrupt, self-serving, greedy and generally of low moral stock. … So, if you really think your vote counts, I'm afraid you're pretty delusional.
I can’t disagree with your description of the people that run the county. That said the pond scum category may not apply to all of them.
That said even total dictators eventually work out that treating everybody like serfs is just a bit too much like hard work … If you look back historically as society evolved even monarchs (who believed that they had a divine right to rule) did bow to the will of the populous.
"No I don’t mind them knowing that I went to see my mistress… and it is entirely possible that she could have just been a female friend."
You will do when someone decides to use that information against you!! Give me £10k, or we tell your wife. Do this or we tell your wife etc.etc. … officially and unofficially sanctioned.
I would have laughed. You want 10K to tell my wife that I make occasional texts, calls and emails to a female friend of mine. My wife knows I have known this female friend for years why shouldn’t I contact her?
It is important to bear in mind that this is communications metadata not the contents.
"A ‘dragnet’ implemented on communications traffic data. ….. It just doesn’t seem to worry me like it does you."
On the basis of some other suspicion can easily … energy bill again as OFGEM (oversight and control) must be doing a splendid job!! Ditto for almost every other area.
I don’t think it is valid to conflate the oversight of the
scum bag thieving energy energy companies, and the security services. As an aside if you look at the list of prosecutions on the Wikipedia entry for RIPA they deal mostly with unlawful interception.
"Indeed. Yet the mass populous complain .. respect the will of the masses."
A commonly held misconception. …. Take the murder of Lee Rigby. The people involved were already known.
The main set of information reported as missing around 911 and 7/7 by the security services was the communications traffic from the internet. Much of RIPA or indeed the PATRIOT act seems to be intelligence services increasing the capability onto the internet very much in line with other telecommunications.
Just as you have read one interpretation of events into that which is reported I have found reports which show terrorist events being stopped by the use of intercepted traffic data.
As a society, we have to .. I remember tens of thousands of people walking through mainline London stations with me whilst the IRA bombing campaigns were going on. If you happen to get hit, that's just bad luck. We can do something to try and stop it, but perfection will never be achieved.
I too have been in the situation in mainline London stations ... but bear in mind at the time security services were intercepting communications and so on. How many more of IRA campaigns would have succeeded if these communications were not intercepted?
It is today, but tomorrow??????????????????
Today they (as in all the major political parties) do seem to have accepted a reduction in the numbers of public organisations who can access this data, more oversight and an increase in the public transparency of the data access.
Looking at ‘today’ this seems a much better situation than that left by the previous government. Suggesting that we do in fact live in a democratic society and tomorrow will take care of itself, surely ?
Also, if you drive from one place to another, do you mind them knowing you've done it, even if they don't know why? What if you were going to see your mistress? Do you mind them knowing now?
No I don’t mind them knowing that I went to see my mistress. I wouldn’t have been alone in having a mistress, and they would not have had any particular reason to examine the situation any further. The records of me going to visit her would have simply aged out of the system.
The same would also apply to the details of phone calls, emails and texts I sent to my mistress. Do bear in mind that this is traffic information, and it is entirely possible that she could have just been a female friend.
I don't think directed monitoring under suitable oversight is the argument here. It's just the total dragnet being implemented. If someone is proven or even suspected to a reasonable level of being a terrorist or whatever, fine, monitor them. But, simply doing it to the whole population...............
A ‘dragnet’ implemented on communications traffic data. Data which would only be accessed on the basis of some other suspicion for both resourcing (i.e. doing much more is costly) and legislative (to examine contents would require further authorisation) reasons. It just doesn’t seem to worry me like it does you.
As to this legislation arguably being better than the previous.......I agree. It does have more oversight (assuming that works properly) etc. However, it's a bit like saying being stabbed is better than being shot. I'd rather have neither.......
Indeed. Yet the mass populous complain bitterly when the police and/or security services don’t have or react to this information. I’m not saying that you are in a minority of one but you do perhaps have to respect the will of the masses.
It does seem to be legislation that merely retains an existing capability for the police and security services.
That said there also seems to be an expansion of the oversight, more transparency and a decrease in the public bodies that can access this data.
For a piece of emergency legislation this seems quite a lot better than previous examples.
Do bear in mind this is 'communications traffic data' not the contents of your emails, telephone calls etc. i.e. the data is who sent you either an email, telephone call, or text message and vice versa,
No mention of Parish councils .... that I can find on Google or otherwise.
That is looking for references to RIPA, and no the revision ... where it is proposed to limit the access of a number of public sector organisations.
2. Is he referring to the UK being the only "democratic" country in the world where your village council can enact surveilance on you without a court order?
The parish council? Are you sure about this?
3. Is he referring to the UK being the only "democratic" country in the world where private companies such as the Royal Mail are allowed to enact surveilance on you without a court order?
The Royal Mail being one of the organisations who won't have access under the emergency legislation.
This legislation retains an existing capability for the police and security services in the absence of the EU directive.
Also in respect of liberal concerns there is an expansion of the oversight, more transparency and a decrease in the public bodies that can access this data.
As a piece of emergency legislation it does seem to be OK.
Legendary VC Tim Draper has announced he won each of the nearly 30,000 Bitcoins the government auctioned off Friday.
At least that is what I have read.
A further corollary of Godwin's law ... replacing 'Adolf Hitler' with 'George Orwell'. Further I'm guessing that within 5 posts someone is going to bring up '1984 and All That'.
I find myself almost wholeheartedly agreeing with Trevor .....
Yes, and I've traveled to places that have made more. Your point? Western civilization isn't "better".
Western civilization isn't better ... but it is better than a lot of other places. I am now curious as to where you have traveled that is better?
The on-going revolution in Syria and the formation of what appears to be a very brutal caliphate across into Iraq.
I don't see the difference between a Muslim theocracy and a Christian one...
Like you I don’t say any real difference between either a Christian or Muslim theocracy. That said I would state that they are both a very poor form of government. In particular people who lose out being, women, unbelievers and other neighboring smaller countries with a different religion.
Maybe some of these middle eastern nations will slip back into dictatorships. I seriously doubt they all will. At least one of them did elect a cleric as president,then had a revolution to evict him when he couldn't look beyond his own religion.
This was the basis of my original point, fingers crossed that most of these countries don’t just either end where they started or worse. I would still hold by original point most of these countries will end up with a civil war and another dictator.
If you are referring to Egypt in your last point above you could clarify that the elected ‘president’ was effectively booted out by the military, and the government has been described by some as a military junta.
Things aren't so simple as you pain them. Brown people aren't "primitives" that need our "guidance". They're human beings, not all that different from you or I, with hopes and dreams, desires and beliefs. Some are similar, many are different.
The implied racism in this comment isn't justified by my comments. From this end I am speculating that you are just ‘projecting’ your own subconscious.
By what right do you call yours better, and where is your evidence? Has your society solved all problems? Is it without corruption, without oppression, "-ism"s, dramatic wealth disparity, rampant unemployment and so forth?
Whilst it is certainly true that the western societies haven’t solved all the problems. I have traveled to a number of places that have made much less progress, have you?
When I look at the countries that went through the Arab Spring I see nations where the people have learned the value of their own freedom and are prepared to keep fighting for it to the bitter end. And yes, they'll fight you and your nation too if you think for a half a second you're going to waltz in there and tell them what to do.
it's their nation, and they're going to run it how they like. And that's the whole goddamned point.
Fingers crossed this happens. But the evidence in the news suggests otherwise.
??? You consider the Arab Spring a bad thing? ....
Why? Is it because the culture they wish to make is different from your own? Or because a few have stumbled and fallen? An entire generation learned the value of self-determination and you call it "a bad thing?" .
To answer 'why' I think the Arab Spring is a bad thing I would look at the results. Accepting if all these countries end up with a constitution along the lines of "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.- ... etc etc then I will be wrong.
But what I think will happen in most, if not all, of the Arab Spring countries will be brutal civil wars which end up with much the same style of dictatorship as was overthrown in the first place.
There seems to be a prevailing North American belief that if you overthrow the current monarch/regime/dictatorship a country will immediately embrace democracy adopting truth, justice and the American way etc. Yet the reality of what happens in places such as Afghanistan, Iraq, and a lot of the former USSR just does not bear this belief out.
Historically most of the countries that have ended up democratic have slowly evolved from monarchies in their own good time. The belief that external influences will hasten this evolution just isn't substantiated by the evidence on the ground. Ultimately this belief is probably at best a little bit naive.
How about the Arab Spring, whilst not as such a terrorist attack, one of it's causes is the release by Wikileaks of diplomatic cables obtained by Chelsea Manning.
I would consider this to be at least 'havoc', and a 'bad' thing. That said I guess opinions may vary on that one.