803 posts • joined 25 May 2010
Official Secrets Act
GCHQ will be a prohibited place under the terms of the OSA. Even if the Police aren't allowed to reveal that you are in a prohibited place there will be signs all round the perimeter fence saying this anyway.
Re: "could be breaking the law"
Not in this case. Depending on the photograph contents the two laws that might apply are:
The Official Secrets Act (OSA)
The OSA could (would in fact) apply to photographs of GCHQ (and I think within 50 metres of perimeter). The Counter-Terrorism Act could apply to photographs of employees.
Re: Was it or wasn't it?
The local newspapers suggest it was cider ... which makes sense given the West Country theme.
Re: Over to you NSA/GCHQ/CIA/MI6
There are some of us who hold the albeit possibly quaint theory that the intelligence agencies do in fact do this to a larger extent.
Re: Recognise the voice? @AC
Choking a bit at the cost of the license fee there AC? I didn't think that many Islamic Jihadists worked for the BBC.
If the intention is to export Assange ™ to the US why would the Feds trump up charges in Sweden? A country where it is harder to arrange extradition than the UK.
Re: Erroneous Cowherd Contempt @Oz
The MP's may have also voted on the basis that the majority of this law merely retains existing capabilities which are in the process of being revoked by an unfortunate decision by the ECJ.
Re: Priceless @streaky
For email (to which I think you refer) the 'metadata' would be everything sent by either the MAIL or RCPT commands. The, possibly encrypted, content of the communication is sent by the DATA command.
For traditional telecommunications, i.e. phone, the telecoms companies store this information for billing purposes anyway.
The new law does seem to have more transparency on the questions of how often and for what data is used. The old law contains a list of the organisations who could access this data and the reasons that they might access the data.
Do remember that this law requires the communications traffic data, and not the content of communications, are retained.
In the words of the register the Chocolate Factory is Google, and Microsoft is Microsoft.
This article seems a bit odd in that it is Microsoft who bought Nokia and Google bought Motorola.
The company missed analyst expectations of $17.1bn for the period, making 17.63bn revenue instead.
Is this a mistake ... surely if the analyst's expected $17.1 bn and MS made 17.63 bn revenue this is a good thing ?
Re: Can someone explain ...
Earlier you said the security services weren't intercepting the communications!! Here you seem to be accepting that the security services have been intercepting terrorist communications.
Yes and no. My original explanation was lacking. What happened was that in the 1980s and 90s the security services had the capability to look at telecommunications metadata. With the emergence of the internet that capability was lost.
Much of RIPA and PATRIOT is extending the security services original capabilities for telecommunications traffic to include internet based communications.
Re: Can someone explain ...
"Looking at ‘today’ … tomorrow will take care of itself, surely ?"
I can't deny that it looks better superficially. …The country is run by people who have been shown to be corrupt, self-serving, greedy and generally of low moral stock. … So, if you really think your vote counts, I'm afraid you're pretty delusional.
I can’t disagree with your description of the people that run the county. That said the pond scum category may not apply to all of them.
That said even total dictators eventually work out that treating everybody like serfs is just a bit too much like hard work … If you look back historically as society evolved even monarchs (who believed that they had a divine right to rule) did bow to the will of the populous.
"No I don’t mind them knowing that I went to see my mistress… and it is entirely possible that she could have just been a female friend."
You will do when someone decides to use that information against you!! Give me £10k, or we tell your wife. Do this or we tell your wife etc.etc. … officially and unofficially sanctioned.
I would have laughed. You want 10K to tell my wife that I make occasional texts, calls and emails to a female friend of mine. My wife knows I have known this female friend for years why shouldn’t I contact her?
It is important to bear in mind that this is communications metadata not the contents.
"A ‘dragnet’ implemented on communications traffic data. ….. It just doesn’t seem to worry me like it does you."
On the basis of some other suspicion can easily … energy bill again as OFGEM (oversight and control) must be doing a splendid job!! Ditto for almost every other area.
I don’t think it is valid to conflate the oversight of the
scum bag thieving energy energy companies, and the security services. As an aside if you look at the list of prosecutions on the Wikipedia entry for RIPA they deal mostly with unlawful interception.
"Indeed. Yet the mass populous complain .. respect the will of the masses."
A commonly held misconception. …. Take the murder of Lee Rigby. The people involved were already known.
The main set of information reported as missing around 911 and 7/7 by the security services was the communications traffic from the internet. Much of RIPA or indeed the PATRIOT act seems to be intelligence services increasing the capability onto the internet very much in line with other telecommunications.
Just as you have read one interpretation of events into that which is reported I have found reports which show terrorist events being stopped by the use of intercepted traffic data.
As a society, we have to .. I remember tens of thousands of people walking through mainline London stations with me whilst the IRA bombing campaigns were going on. If you happen to get hit, that's just bad luck. We can do something to try and stop it, but perfection will never be achieved.
I too have been in the situation in mainline London stations ... but bear in mind at the time security services were intercepting communications and so on. How many more of IRA campaigns would have succeeded if these communications were not intercepted?
Re: Can someone explain ...
It is today, but tomorrow??????????????????
Today they (as in all the major political parties) do seem to have accepted a reduction in the numbers of public organisations who can access this data, more oversight and an increase in the public transparency of the data access.
Looking at ‘today’ this seems a much better situation than that left by the previous government. Suggesting that we do in fact live in a democratic society and tomorrow will take care of itself, surely ?
Also, if you drive from one place to another, do you mind them knowing you've done it, even if they don't know why? What if you were going to see your mistress? Do you mind them knowing now?
No I don’t mind them knowing that I went to see my mistress. I wouldn’t have been alone in having a mistress, and they would not have had any particular reason to examine the situation any further. The records of me going to visit her would have simply aged out of the system.
The same would also apply to the details of phone calls, emails and texts I sent to my mistress. Do bear in mind that this is traffic information, and it is entirely possible that she could have just been a female friend.
I don't think directed monitoring under suitable oversight is the argument here. It's just the total dragnet being implemented. If someone is proven or even suspected to a reasonable level of being a terrorist or whatever, fine, monitor them. But, simply doing it to the whole population...............
A ‘dragnet’ implemented on communications traffic data. Data which would only be accessed on the basis of some other suspicion for both resourcing (i.e. doing much more is costly) and legislative (to examine contents would require further authorisation) reasons. It just doesn’t seem to worry me like it does you.
As to this legislation arguably being better than the previous.......I agree. It does have more oversight (assuming that works properly) etc. However, it's a bit like saying being stabbed is better than being shot. I'd rather have neither.......
Indeed. Yet the mass populous complain bitterly when the police and/or security services don’t have or react to this information. I’m not saying that you are in a minority of one but you do perhaps have to respect the will of the masses.
Re: Mostly harmless
It does seem to be legislation that merely retains an existing capability for the police and security services.
That said there also seems to be an expansion of the oversight, more transparency and a decrease in the public bodies that can access this data.
For a piece of emergency legislation this seems quite a lot better than previous examples.
Re: Can someone explain ...
Do bear in mind this is 'communications traffic data' not the contents of your emails, telephone calls etc. i.e. the data is who sent you either an email, telephone call, or text message and vice versa,
Re: Which safeguards of RIPA is he referring to?
No mention of Parish councils .... that I can find on Google or otherwise.
That is looking for references to RIPA, and no the revision ... where it is proposed to limit the access of a number of public sector organisations.
Re: Which safeguards of RIPA is he referring to?
2. Is he referring to the UK being the only "democratic" country in the world where your village council can enact surveilance on you without a court order?
The parish council? Are you sure about this?
3. Is he referring to the UK being the only "democratic" country in the world where private companies such as the Royal Mail are allowed to enact surveilance on you without a court order?
The Royal Mail being one of the organisations who won't have access under the emergency legislation.
This legislation retains an existing capability for the police and security services in the absence of the EU directive.
Also in respect of liberal concerns there is an expansion of the oversight, more transparency and a decrease in the public bodies that can access this data.
As a piece of emergency legislation it does seem to be OK.
Re: A Speculative Fiction
Legendary VC Tim Draper has announced he won each of the nearly 30,000 Bitcoins the government auctioned off Friday.
At least that is what I have read.
Re: Here come the lawsuits.
A further corollary of Godwin's law ... replacing 'Adolf Hitler' with 'George Orwell'. Further I'm guessing that within 5 posts someone is going to bring up '1984 and All That'.
I find myself almost wholeheartedly agreeing with Trevor .....
Yes, and I've traveled to places that have made more. Your point? Western civilization isn't "better".
Western civilization isn't better ... but it is better than a lot of other places. I am now curious as to where you have traveled that is better?
The on-going revolution in Syria and the formation of what appears to be a very brutal caliphate across into Iraq.
I don't see the difference between a Muslim theocracy and a Christian one...
Like you I don’t say any real difference between either a Christian or Muslim theocracy. That said I would state that they are both a very poor form of government. In particular people who lose out being, women, unbelievers and other neighboring smaller countries with a different religion.
Maybe some of these middle eastern nations will slip back into dictatorships. I seriously doubt they all will. At least one of them did elect a cleric as president,then had a revolution to evict him when he couldn't look beyond his own religion.
This was the basis of my original point, fingers crossed that most of these countries don’t just either end where they started or worse. I would still hold by original point most of these countries will end up with a civil war and another dictator.
If you are referring to Egypt in your last point above you could clarify that the elected ‘president’ was effectively booted out by the military, and the government has been described by some as a military junta.
Things aren't so simple as you pain them. Brown people aren't "primitives" that need our "guidance". They're human beings, not all that different from you or I, with hopes and dreams, desires and beliefs. Some are similar, many are different.
The implied racism in this comment isn't justified by my comments. From this end I am speculating that you are just ‘projecting’ your own subconscious.
By what right do you call yours better, and where is your evidence? Has your society solved all problems? Is it without corruption, without oppression, "-ism"s, dramatic wealth disparity, rampant unemployment and so forth?
Whilst it is certainly true that the western societies haven’t solved all the problems. I have traveled to a number of places that have made much less progress, have you?
When I look at the countries that went through the Arab Spring I see nations where the people have learned the value of their own freedom and are prepared to keep fighting for it to the bitter end. And yes, they'll fight you and your nation too if you think for a half a second you're going to waltz in there and tell them what to do.
it's their nation, and they're going to run it how they like. And that's the whole goddamned point.
Fingers crossed this happens. But the evidence in the news suggests otherwise.
Re: @Trevor_Pott @Titus_Technophobe
??? You consider the Arab Spring a bad thing? ....
Why? Is it because the culture they wish to make is different from your own? Or because a few have stumbled and fallen? An entire generation learned the value of self-determination and you call it "a bad thing?" .
To answer 'why' I think the Arab Spring is a bad thing I would look at the results. Accepting if all these countries end up with a constitution along the lines of "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.- ... etc etc then I will be wrong.
But what I think will happen in most, if not all, of the Arab Spring countries will be brutal civil wars which end up with much the same style of dictatorship as was overthrown in the first place.
There seems to be a prevailing North American belief that if you overthrow the current monarch/regime/dictatorship a country will immediately embrace democracy adopting truth, justice and the American way etc. Yet the reality of what happens in places such as Afghanistan, Iraq, and a lot of the former USSR just does not bear this belief out.
Historically most of the countries that have ended up democratic have slowly evolved from monarchies in their own good time. The belief that external influences will hasten this evolution just isn't substantiated by the evidence on the ground. Ultimately this belief is probably at best a little bit naive.
How about the Arab Spring, whilst not as such a terrorist attack, one of it's causes is the release by Wikileaks of diplomatic cables obtained by Chelsea Manning.
I would consider this to be at least 'havoc', and a 'bad' thing. That said I guess opinions may vary on that one.
Re: Russia stop-over
No that seems to have been arranged by the FSB, and WIkileaks.
Re: Nice article ...
... is not evidence of absence of lesser controls. If Snowden had suffered any delay on his flight I suspect the story would have ended very differently....
And yet the story would have still got out, and published by the Guardian .. a media outlet under the repressive jackboot of UK Government and GCHQ, or maybe not?
Nice article ...
This seems to be a very balanced article about the Snowden revelations. Perhaps the most telling comment from my perspective is:
In an Orwellian world, Edward Snowden would never have made it to Hong Kong, and if he had, his stories would never have been heard by those living under the boot of Big Brother.
Something all the tin hatters on here might bear in mind.
Now I know why having changed my mobile phone supplier to one of the 'code names' it takes ages to get replies from my wife to texts.
Naughty replies can take an hour or so and MMS can take 5 or 6 hours. I can only think that the photos are being passed round the offices of GCHQ and NSA for their pervy pleasure.
What on earth can we all do?
It is very much about time Ebay started to take responsibility for the security of it's users.
No ... there are 4/5 things that are important to back up in an Oracle database
Aside from the spfile, control file, and datafiles you really want to have a think about backing up the Oracle database, online redo logs, and for any sort of 'hot' backup the relevant archive logs.
These are mentioned in the later parts of the article but really should be in the earlier list of stuff that is important.
Re: Hmmm - the same SEC that's in the pockets of the Banksters...?
I have a theory that these posts are generally made by people sitting on a stack of bitcoin they are trying to shift.
A mistake surely ...
Why only last month Barclays were saying that they had to
bung pay bonuses of 2.4 Billion to retain their top talent .....
Re: Now that's what I call programming 16
Ooops I should have read a bit more of the brochure I pulled off this website.
Apologies for the confusion. Linux Girl, Group Captain dashboard PM, and Mistress Home Comms Domotics are all in the Windev 18 brochure.
Re: Now that's what I call programming 16
I think maybe Clement Delafargue is being a bit harsh.Also it is the brochure that the young lady civil engineer is holding rather than the box. Reading through the brochure there does seem to be a mixture of photos of both young women, and men developers which isn't really sexist at all.
This is probably a brave attempt by PC soft at destroying some developer stereotypes. Stereotypes such as the male social inadequate knocking out under the desk code while paging through fan folds of ASCII art.
Throughout the brochure the developer pictures all seem to entirely appropriate. I would particularly highlight three very apposite pictures of software users, the photo of the young lady Linux app developer, the Dashboard project manager and 'Master Home Communications Domotics user'.
During my IT career these are very much more the sort of people I have encountered. In detail:
Linux app devevelopers - have exclusively consisted of scantily clad young ladies wearing fetish heels.
Dashboard project managers have without fail always worn a pilots hat.
Home Communications Domotics user have always been wearing a blue bikini, or maybe PVC, or leather ..... whips maybe
That said your mileage may vary .... having just woken up from a bit of a day dream just off to knock out some code. Now where is my ASCII art? Then again maybe the back dates of the PC soft brochure....
The sooner this bunch of spivs is booted out the better.
Two words ... Tony and Gordon B. No that isn't a massive endorsement for the current regime, just wondering who you would like to replace the 'Spivs' with?
Problems caused by Snowden
"But [NSA whistleblower Edward] Snowden has made it more difficult for law enforcement to hunt down the wolves," he added – implying, we assume, that crims have switched up their security to avoid the authorities following leaks on how Western intelligence operates.
It would seem the Guardian has more information on this and reports the main problem post Snowden being that Companies are now less willing to share data, even if it clearly relates to criminal activity
Re: Somewhat puzzled
It would seem Sunlot plan to:
Distribute MtGox's remaining assets to customers immediately
Do an audit of MtGox
.... and so on
Actually personally I would do the audit before returning assets, I did think a lot of MtGox problems stemmed from fraudulent activity caused by a lack of proper accounting and audits.
That said there is more detail on the web site http://www.savegox.com/. Also the plan does seem to include a re-incarnated exchange.
Re: Why Bother?
Approximately $80 - 90 Million surely? Mind if sold on MtGox about 25 cents?
Re: I missed a T in that
Good bye and thanks for all the Fish?
Re: It's a step forward, apparently
I would guess Mark Karpelès has fingers crossed that this is exactly how it is going to work.
Mighty quiet ....
Not heard anybody suggesting recently how BitCoin is a FIAT currency, etc etc. I'm guessing this is the death throes of the BitCoin bubble
So the UK government have blocked YouTube? ... it did seem to be working the last time I looked.
Re: Dilbert is right on the case today.
Yes .... just about sums up bitcoin
Re: Too obvious.
Not to me .. I was just on the point of signing up for this when I saw the comments. The thinking being that -
a. I trust GCHQ and the NSA with my data a bit, actually a lot, more than Facebook, Google, Linkedin, and hotmail.
b. since they are going to store it anyway why not let me have access to a copy.
Re: Of course it's military... @some less ignorant posters above
The original flaw in my argument being that I know very little of how our "colonial cousins" government classify documents.... nice to see that it is much the same as the UK.
Re: Of course it's military... @Tromos
Apologies Tromos my FYI was more tongue in cheek. I didn't realise that there would be anybody on here who was sufficiently ignorant to not know that all official government documents are classified.
Government classification 101 link below -
Re: ::shakes head:: @Ben & Mark
@Ben : No I observed that you couldn't produce an argument when another poster suggested that a bank might be a safer place for your life savings,,, It seems you still can't?
@Mark : The "Pump and Dump Strawman" ... nuff said I think :).
Nice post ... tongue in cheek but summarizes my opinions on these issues.
I am sort of hoping that the register introduces another badge for those of us with significantly more 'down thumbs' than 'up' .... the bronze is nice in that I don't encounter too much censorship. Kind of hoping for a black skull and crossbones next to the bronze. Other than that I post my opinion and damn the likes/dislikes.
- JLaw, Kate Upton exposed in celeb nude pics hack
- Google flushes out users of old browsers by serving up CLUNKY, AGED version of search
- China: You, Microsoft. Office-Windows 'compatibility'. You have 20 days to explain
- GCHQ protesters stick it to British spooks ... by drinking urine
- Twitter declines to deny JLaw tweet scrubdown after alleged iCloud NAKED PHOTOS hack