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Re: Headlines are but part of the story
Not to be too sarcastic here but HP uses HP, NetApp uses NetApp, IBM uses IBM, EMC uses EMC, Dell uses Dell, etc. So the only story would be if they didn't use it but such a claim still pretty much ignores any economics or operational factors that a customer who has a choice of what they can use would want to consider.
Formula One race car goes faster than white van.
While it is interesting in a very basic way it really doesn't tell anyone anything not already known. So on a cost per IO it wins hands down but I suspect on a cost per GB of capacity it loses badly since I am going to guess that to get 900K IOPs for $2 million that they probably purchased a lot of spinning rust. They say to support 26TB of database they only needed 1.5 TB of flash but I would love to find anyone silly enough to pay $2 million for a 26TB array as I have some property in Spain I would like to sell them.
It would be more interesting and even possibly useful if they compared their performance to a Violin or other flash system.
Kool Aid for everyone
It is hard to blame a cat for attacking a mouse and so it is hard to blame a marketing department for a marketing campaign but having said that there is a bit of overkill to what is otherwise some interesting updates and improvements to their products. There does tend to be a climate around EMC of over enthusiastic self congratulation which can be a bit off putting and tedious at times but as long as they don't offer me a cup of their Kool-aid I can tolerate it.
Are the improvements revolutionary and game changing? Not really. Are they significant? Yes, especially to EMC customers. The big news would have been if EMC hadn't refreshed the VNX range. More for less is probably a bit boring for the marketing department but for customers that is what they are looking for.
It is a bit interesting or a least of note that almost all of the interesting storage news has been from startups so nice to see one of the larger players at least making an effort.
The cloud is inherently insecure
Sorry, but I have to totally disagree Andreesen. Security is entirely dependent upon the people you employ to protect you or your data and with the cloud you have outsourced your data and your security and not only do you not know what you are really getting you don't know what you are not getting either. Try to run a physical security audit on AWS or ECS and see how far you get.
Encryption is going to help and should become standard but again it is only as good as the people used to deploy it and in the cloud they could be anyone.
The RSPCA pursues criminal enforcement to generate press and donations which then generates more criminal prosecutions to get more press and donations. This is effectively crack cocaine for charity organisations. There is nothing to indicate a dramatic rise in cruelty to animals that requires this level of malicious prosecution.
Break the circle and stop donating and supporting the RSPCA and instead help out the local shelter or wildlife group then at least your money will go where you intended instead of into the pockets of lawyers and executives of the RSPCA.
Where ever that quote about people not respecting shareholder value came from the person is a loon. No one in any company below board or C level ever thinks about share holder value other than for their own personal options or stock purchases. Most employees are salaried or compensated on performance which is normally targeted to specific sales and revenue goals. Only the top people are targeted on share price which is not necessarily a good thing.
Having dealt with salespeople from EMC and in the various departments there doesn't seem to be that much confusion over what products can do what but there is certainly some competition between them to get deals closed. Looking at last quarter's results for EMC it is easy to see that the Isilon product line is growing quite well especially in comparison to some other products that EMC has and this is bound to be a cause of concern even if the deals lost are ones that were never winnable.
Go to IBM and ask a DS sales rep if he would be happy to swap out for an XIV or the other way around and I suspect you will see the same behavior. You certainly see it at Dell and HP.
And as far as a having a single unifying vision well NetApp supposedly has that and see how well that has worked for them. Give me a good product that does the job for a decent price any time over something that has had added functionality welded to the side of it.
Dell is a better example
The AWS reference has some relevance but I think a better example is Dell. Dell resold storage equipment from EMC and others and networking equipment from various vendors including Cisco but they decided to acquire the ability to make their own label equipment to go into those spaces and in effect started to compete with their vendors (or so called partners). Now EMC and Cisco compete pretty much against Dell and this is likely to only become a more common situation.
Service providers don't really care about much other than cost. They sell features and capabilities but they are extremely cost focused and in the cloud world where the services provided are abstracted behind APIs the underlying hardware becomes less and less relevant including the expensive software enhancements that vendors provide that also helps the vendor's margins. It is a bit analogous more with the Auto companies in that they really don't care what brand fuel you use and as a result the only real differentiator is their cost and convenience.
Storage companies that don't look to own the data interface layers are ceding control of their future to their competitors and partners which is a good way to find yourself out of business.
The need to check via an internet connection every 24 hours to see if your game was valid basically meant that you didn't really own the game and if for some reason there was a disagreement with Microsoft or your ISP that game you paid $$$ to own becomes useless.
There is no way in the world I would ever buy a game with this sort of restriction or the console it ran on. So good choice to remove this on Microsoft's part.
The quotes in the article are all perfect for the desired sentiment.
The issue is really quite simple can you still be called the good guys if you do bad things? Yes, bad guys do bad things that is why they are the bad guys but this does not mean that in order for the good guys to triumph that they should fall to the same level or use the same or even worse tactics.
The logic behind the UK snooper's bill and the equivalent ones in the USA are that it is better to loose a bit of freedom to allow the good guys to catch the bad guys because obviously the innocent have nothing to fear. Other than the good guys throwing them in jail without due cause or the right to defend themselves.
Anyway, good article, good points and we need to call these people on their actions.
The picture shows the name as ECO and not as Echo.
If it is there they will use it.
The problem is that no matter how much politicians promise not to use this against the "average" person it will end up being used that way. Forget about all the technical issues and costs associated with it the likelihood of it resulting in very much other than tracking porn sufers is going to be very low and would not justify the cost and expense of doing it. The result? Well gee we have this huge amount of data on everyone lets go dumpster diving and see what we can find. To have this large pool of data and not to go through it every way possible is not something that the government will be able to resist.
To say that this has potential for abuse is to understate it as it will be abused it is simply a question of when and by whom.
There is nothing about Theresa May that inspires confidence in her ability to look after anyone except herself.
No need for a NDA just wait until EMC World in May since that is when EMC announces new products.
Sounds like something wicked this way comes.....
They haven't sold or even delivered the fastest storage system. They have delivered 36 of their okay storage systems that were bolted together by ORNL to get those figures. ORNL could have used almost anything to get there by that method.
Nice but nothing new
The Engenio products have always been reasonably solid and performed well for their cost so this is just a logical evolution from the previous generation. What they failed to do for many years while being sold to many different companies and still have not shown that they can do is provide much in the way of software and application integration or innovation and in that regards, NetApp and EMC provide a much richer feature set. Storage needs to evolve but so do the people making it and the Engenio group seem to be a one trick pony.
Then you won't have an issue with police randomly grabbing people off the street, stripping them, filling them with drugs and interrogating them to see if they might be up to something since after all they might find someone is a bad person and isn't that worth the effort and if you have nothing to hide then what is a strip search and drug interrogation between friends.
And while we are on the subject of doing what it takes to protect us since we already have CCTV in the city centres we should put microphones on them all and record all conversations since bad people might be out for a kebab and we need to know what they are up to. This really wouldn't be any different than the government recording all phone calls and running them through word recognition software to find bad guys. And once we have the city centres covered obviously the bad men (and women don't want to be sexist) will move off to other areas so we need to put cameras and microphones in all public transportation and heck why not mandate that all businesses use CCTV with microphones in the work place as it will help not only prevent terrorist attacks and pedo user groups they can find out who has been nicking the office supplies.
The good guys will always have it tougher than the bad guys and that is the way it should be. The good guys do the right thing at the right time and in the right way. You will never overcome the bad guys by being badder than them all you will do is make more bad guys.
The insidious thing about electronic snooping is that it is so easy and fast to do that it doesn't feel like snooping to the snoopers where as actually getting out and following people and doing investigations into suspects and their activities becomes readily obvious that it is snooping and requires some level of justification other than "just to be safe we thought we would look in his underwear drawers".
People may not have a right to absolute privacy but the government definitely does not have nor does it need a right to know what its citizens are up to without some control on them.
On site storage
I think this could be an interesting solution for people with Isilon or Atmos storage already from EMC but don't see it as a compelling reason to go out and buy either solution on its own. Or for people that intend on using a lot of storage for various projects.
In the end it will boil down to costs as much as security and having your corporate data on your own storage.
Well that is what you get when you have your data brought in by tractor. More seriously the issue is infrastructure and if you don't have it there is piddle that you can really do about other than hope someone else has developed a better set of pipes for you to switch too since until your provider spends the money to upgrade your networking and wiring you aren't going to get significant improvement. And with few customers in a geographic area getting the upgrades done is unlikely.
You might try and see if you have a cable TV service in your area as that can provide decent speed.
Not to rub salt in your wounds but just ran the BT diagnostics and I got back 37.2Mb/s as my tests results so BT can provide decent speed.
My personal experience is yes. As far as I can tell the VM is fully featured and works identically to a real Isilon node or cluster. The main issue is to test out any licensed features just as on a real cluster you will need a license key but my Isilon contact was quite happy to give me a set of license keys for me to test snapshots, replication and other features.
If you want to kick the tires and see if it works in your environment or with your application I think it is a great tool to get.
Standards of Proof
There seems to be a general misconception of what extradition is and what a trial is. With extradition the purpose is to show sufficient cause that someone has committed a crime in their jurisdiction and that they would like that person sent there for trial. The trial is where the proof is presented and contested.
What most people seem to be saying here is that wait you can't extradite me until you show me all the evidence and show that I am guilty based on the laws of my country of residence and that is simply not how it works.
In this case the US stated that they had a case and it was accepted by the UK based on the terms of the extradition treaty between the two countries (the fact that the treaty may be one sided is an entirely separate issue) but the defendant then proceed to use every trick and manoeuvre in the book to avoid his extradition. The majority of this being using the public to make it politically unacceptable for him to be extradited regardless of his guilt or innocence which is really just a mockery of the laws.
Personally, I think the case against McKinnon was likely to be provable but that the punishment was likely to be excessive. But that is neither here nor there in regards to how the process should work and in this case he has escaped responsibility for his actions not because of legal reasons but simply because he got enough people to feel sorry for him.
Well as long as he doesn't leave the UK he should be fine.
Good to know that if you drag things out long enough and hold your breath and threaten to hurt yourself that you can avoid taking responsibility for your actions.
Extradition is for people that committed crimes in other jurisdictions which is what this guy did. Funny how when it is someone in the UK doing the crime how sympathetic everyone is but when someone in another country does something in or to the UK how outraged everyone is especially if they evade extradition.
This guy is an admitted criminal who agreed to plead guilty but played on the gullibility of the English populace and press but no surprise considering how easy it is for criminals here to play the system.
The VM is generally available for the asking. They don't put it up where anyone can get it but you just have to ask your salesrep or TC and you can get it. It is a completely function version of the Isilon OneFS software with the only limitation being that you have a limited amount of disk space and can't add to it but it won't stop you with working with it. Be sure to ask for a set of evaluation licenses so that you can experiment with the software features too.
The only issue is that it is a VM and so its performance will be totally dependent upon the quality of hardware you run it on. I have run it under Fusion, Workstation and VMplayer. I believe it works with Xen but haven't tried it.
As the article says it is a pretty nice bit of software to play around with to get a feel for if it is something you might be interested in.
A better story would have been more complete
The Atmos user complains that he can't do some things that he considers to be basic without the assistance and guidance of EMC support by opening up a call. Fair enough it can be annoying to have to call support and open a call and have to go through the hassle of providing details to your question.
But, a better story would have been for him to have actually done that and then describe why and what was done and if the support requirement had any validity and what if anything could be done to make life for an Atmos user easier.
Right now the story is really little more than a whinge.
Re: The US work thingy......
A number of years ago when first starting out I flew into Canada to visit a non-defunct but then large worldwide software company for meetings but being new this when the Canadian official asked me the purpose of my trip I said WORK instead of business.
2 hours later after being locked in a windowless room they agreed to contact the customer who had to send out their HR manager to free me from the airpot and get me into my meeting.
Never ever, ever use the word work when visiting any country, meetings, business, getting drunk, anything but the word work.
We can trust them if you have nothing to hide.........just look at China.
The security services keep saying that we have nothing to worry about if we have nothing to hide and that this can save lives.
Based in that premise then randomly abducting people off the street, strip searching, drugging and water boarding the could also save lives and we shouldn't worry about that if we have nothing to hide.
There are better more focused ways of catching criminals than snooping on everyone that uses the Internet for any and all reasons.
The writing was on the wall
One of the reasons if not the single biggest reason for LSI to dump its Engenio division to NetApp was their inability to keep IBM happy with the DS product range. The DS units from Engenio are solid, reliable and well performing systems with virtually no software integration. IBM constantly asked for and was promised numerous features and updates but LSI senior management thought they could deliver something for nothing and as a result frustrated a major OEM customer.
This move to a SVC fronted system is just the natural evolution of IBM moving away further. Sure they will continue to sell the Engenio systems as long as their is some profit there but they would rather bring that all in house.
It appears that NetApp is taking some steps to provide resources to refresh the product line and to better market it to OEMs but they seem ambivalent about the product at times.
Better late than never
NetApp seems a bit confused about their Virtual Storage Tiering which they keep calling a cache while you can probably stretch most definitions to suit it seems that something is either a Tier or not or is a cache or not though there is some overlap in functionality the basic operational goals for each product class are different.
But, I can save NetApp a lot of time just grab the EMC caching white papers since this solution of theirs with an external PCIe card sounds pretty familiar to theirs.
Not saying that they shouldn't do it or that they won't do a good job just that it isn't really very ground breaking.
UKBA the problem not the Iris scanners
The iris scanners worked great for me and even registration wasnt too bad until my registration expired and all the offices had been closed and no new registrations being taken and this was for at least 18 months until they officially announced the nd of the scanners. Hard to get the traffic if you refuse to open up to get users registered.
The workers at UKBA seem nice enough it's the politicians like Theresa (it's not my fault) May that need to be taken outside the border and left there.
While the underlying concepts are similar I guess the issue would be does the Fusion-IO card in a Vblock configuration support the same functionality? The main functional difference I am thinking of is that as I understand it the EMC solution uses their card for reads and writes through it to the underlying block storage so that in the event of a failure that the data is stored and protected externally to the host and the card. If Fusion-IO supports this then either solution would be fine but if not then it comes back to the potential limitation of having your data on a PCI card inside a server that could fail at some point.
I suspect the reason EMC calls it VFcache is that is a good description of what it is doing.
The Fusion-IO products work well but I find the overall solution set from EMC to be compelling.
HDFS on Isilon
EMC announced some time ago that their Isilon clusters could provide native support for the Hadoop File System and in their presentation they showed the cluster replacing the name node of the Hadoop system but still using the hadoop compute nodes to do the compute but they would now be getting data off the cluster instead of from local disks. The idea being to remove the load times onto a Hadoop system and to reduce the capacity needed.
The big question though was why not simply replace all the compute nodes with the Isilon nodes too?
One has to think that building an Isilon based Hadoop cluster would be quite easy for EMC and assuming they could get the pricing right it could be a very interesting solution.
NetApp says that the E-Series exceeded their target expectations but doesn't say what those were. Considering that the impetus for LSI to sell the division to NetApp was how badly they screwed up the relationship with IBM and the IBM DS sales were going to fall off a cliff, so it would be interesting to see if NetApp has been able to repair that. IBM still has the E-Series for sale in the middle and entry level area and they are nice solid systems if a bit simple in their feature set and integration.
For something that should be big news the release of Ontap 8.1 Cluster Mode is a bit a failure both as an actual release and as a marketing event. For a company that keeps saying it is an innovator in the storage market you don't see that much innovation actually making it out and 8.1 has virtually no innovation and comes with a lot of potential pitfalls.
Is NetApp a one trick pony that needs to be put to pasture? Quite possibly but they still have a lot of potential but like my nephew they seem to be wasting it. Shame really.
Re: Why do you keep bringing up flash drives outside of the array?
Because it is what customers are demanding and where performance is best added and ignoring this is a quick way to lose those customers?
If you look at flash outside of a HDD based storage array as just an SSD then you are being a bit simplistic and most of the higher end products have ways to protect the data and the user with some better than others. EMC's VFCache does this by doing all writes as write through to the external storage which means that it doesn't improve write performance but neither does it reduce data reliability and you still get accelerated read performance which in most work flows is 80 to 90 percent of the traffic.
Not too shabby. For a small amount you get to boost your performance dramatically and don't reduce your reliability.
So why wouldn't you talk about flash outside of the array? Unless you don't have it as a product.....
Close but not quite right
The financial analyst makes a good point but is basically wrong. Yes, I would agree that EMC is focused on NetApp and not too worried about FusionIO. But, I disagree that EMC is very worried about OnTap 8.1. It has some good points as far as software features are concerned and in consolidating some odd NetApp design choices but it still has very clunky under pinnings and can be a management mess.
The Isilon boxes are not ideal for all performance workflows but in looking at the software and hardware choices that were made to build the system it would appear that there is a lot of room for improvement and I would expect that EMC is busy working on that. The trick being to keep the features, and performance while maintaing decent pricing and margins.
Acquiring Xtreme IO would seem to play into their vision of global storage domination more than really much of a direct concern for any single competitor. If they can wrap up all the bits and pieces in to a single coherent storage environment then they could quite easily push everyone to the margins.
The rich get richer
If everyone in the company had a say in the CEO's remuneration then maybe such eye watering excess could be acceptable but the simple fact of the matter is that payouts such as this is just the old boy club in action. The board sets the payout and the CEO picks the board and the same group of people move through the revolving doors with a wink wink and nudge nudge to one another.
Joe Tucci has with out any doubt done a very good job but this sort of money is really little more than organized embezzlement at the corporate level and is pretty much the norm in all areas of business though banking and finance are much worse.
I love it when people say you have to pay the best to get the best. Umm no you don't and for some companies they might have been better off with the second or third best.
If Joe had only received $200,000 which is still a major windfall and the remaining $8 million had been given to workers it would have had a much larger effect. If someone is already independently wealthy what is another $8 million to them? But if they had given $10,000 bonus payments to 800 employees the boost that this would have given to moral would have been much more than simply making a rich man richer.
All doomed to failure
All these plans and ideas are doomed to failure as long as countries such as Greece are allowed t participate in the Eurozone and not be held accountable for their failure to enforce basic monetary sanity.
If I give my daughter a credit card and keep paying it off every month there is no incentive for her to stop spending or to develop a budget. In Greece almost every tax payer under reports their income to the point of absurdity and the government turns a blind eye. Worse it has now become an accepted way of living any attempts to make people actually pay for their public transportation and infrastructure costs are seen as attempts to oppress their rights to not have to pay for anything.
It is all just good money being poured down a Greek sewer. Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal have some of the same issues but at least make an effort to run their countries properly.
Rape is rape and porn is porn
Unless one is a psychopath and there are actually very few of those harming or hurting someone regardless of why you are doing it is a pretty obvious action (i.e. the crying and bleeding and death) and can not be justified by anything other than self interest.
Pornography no more causes rape than a woman who dresses in shorts and a halter top. The potential rapist that reaches the point where they actually commit the crime knows they are doing wrong but have decided to go ahead anyway.
Does legal prostitution help or hurt the rate of sexual assaults in a country? Pornography is pretty much part and parcel of the same ideology. The people who are against sex for religious, moral, or personal reasons tend to lump it all together. Sex is bad hence any depiction or sexual activity is bad. The reality of course is much murkier because there are always people willing to take things to one extreme or the another either for personal pleasure or to make some money.
But there are fortunately a few absolutes such as No means NO.
Good but not good enough
The Pillar Axiom system is an interesting product and is fairly well executed but actually brings very little that is new to the table. If it had came to the market 10 years sooner it might have been able to build a market for itself. The building block and brick concept has been done by a number of other vendors and somewhat better. There is nothing wrong with the product but nothing that really makes it stand out either and in a dynamic market that is changing the way the current storage market is that isn't good enough.
This is readily apparent by the fact that only LPOD's Oracle was willing to take the company even at the bargain bin price of free. Even if Oracle dumps in sales resources and efforts the money they might get paid in two years will only soften the blow and not eliminate the investors from losing a good amount of money. Though fortunately Oracle can just squeeze their customers a bit more if they want.
The real question is does Pillar make any sense at all for Oracle and its product mix or will it simply be a distraction?
Large but out of the box
A lot of interesting comments about this solution and its design but the thing to remember in my opinion is this is how the Isilon equipment is designed to work. Yes 140 nodes is a lot of nodes and that is a lot of HDDs and SSDs but all they did was take 140 of their performance oriented nodes with SSDs installed and put them together which is their big selling point. You can start with 3 nodes and grow to 140.
Anyone can hobble together two systems or three or more to hit specific performance levels but in this case all Isilon did was take their normal system and grow it to the logical if rather expensive conclusion and see what it could do.
And they did this with an file system that presented all of that storage as a single name space.
Not practical for everyone but then neither is a Ferrari or Lambo even though we might all wish we could afford one.
Dell has a number of products where this technology could be very useful and even if they don't use it to the full extent one assumes that there is a patent portfolio that will come along with it that would protect them and could be used to control competitors.
It isn't that hard to fix.
Why is it that the first thought is to edit the books that get uploaded as opposed to vetting the uploaders? There are not that many people that want to publish original works or have the right to upload works of others so all Amazon has to do is to require that any uploader provide accurate and confirmed details about themselves and then if they do this it is easy enough to cut them off and remove their works.
If you say this is as bad as censorship it isn't since they can still freely publish their works in many other venues or they could use a publishing front to accomplish what they want. The point is to put in some accountability as what makes it worthwhile now is that gormless jerks can upload at will without any serious controls.
Don't see the attraction with a Blackberry
I recently changed companies from one that used Windows Mobile (yuck) to one that uses Blackberries and while the Blackberry isn't bad as a phone or to do email it just plain sucks in comparison to an iPhone or an Android based one even WM7 is to be preferred.
Their new Playbook looks interesting but its main advantage seems to be to make the Blackberry more useable and without a Blackberry a tablet less useful so it does not look like a winner.
I don't want to see them simply copy the competition but they can't go their own way much longer.
And they are getting paid how much for this?
Most businesses succeed not because of their top leadership but in spite of it and this just goes to show that none of them are worth the amounts of money they typically get paid. They aren't even competent enough to bribe a sex hound like Hurd well enough to avoid future problems. And Oracle letting Hurd do this is just stupid on their part when they could quite easily have slowly strangled the HP releases by reducing the number of people working on it and increasing support costs due to "low volumes".
But hey no surprise that Hurd thinks with his penis is there? But, at least it gives me something to chuckle over while I have my morning cup of coffee.
More a sales effort than a discussion by Permabit
Permabit's main response to the Isilon comments is that they disagree in regards to how their solution handles dedupe in large data environments and not in general terms which is more the point of the Isilon comments. Permabit seems more interested in touting their patented technology than actually answering questions or providing informative details.
Permabit's Albiero is an interesting product in that it basically is a standalone system that scours the data for duplicates as a side process so by not being a part of the data stream does not impact performance seems clever enough but much of the rest of it seems to be mostly marketing PR at the moment.
Shhh it is a secret
The top 500 public super computers in the world would be more accurate. The NSA and NRO are organizations that provide nor are they required to provide much public detail about their activities. If the NSA was to build or had already built a system capable of being in the 10 it is unlikely that they would ever make that information public.
SSDs generally fail in read only mode if the issue is write failures but this does not mean that in all failure situations that you can still read your data on a SSD and in that regards a SSD is no better than a HDD and potentially worse depending on how the internal memory is architected.
Right now while SSDs certainly have a lot going for them the issue that gets overlooked frequently is that a large SSD of say 512GB is still quite small compared to the new 3TB and early next year 4TB drives that will be shipping. Looking a cost and density comparison SSDs do not make a compelling argument for people looking for large storage pools and low costs.
Yes there are improvements in SSD density coming but they are still behind the curve in this area as far as HDDs are concerned. However, if the merged disk drive houses stop innovating then they will surely be doomed. Currently disk drives are storing data at around 500Gb/in2 with the current limit seen to be at around 1Tbit/in2 though there are a number of advances in the work and Toshiba has demonstrated the ability to reach up to 2.5Tbit/in2.
Sadly pure density improvements generally provides minimal performance improvement and actually makes things a bit worse by creating fat drives that become bottle necks. Hence the rapidly evolving use of both SSDs and HDDs as a tiered solution.
Hopefully, the disk vendors will realize that simply sitting back and milking the cow stops working once the cow dies or the milk dries up and will continue to innovate and spend the necessary money in their R&D labs.
Then again who knows and maybe we will all be using crystal holographic storage systems in 10 years.
Short sighted business practices
I suspect that NetApp's decision to not take the European Engenio staff is due to the EU employment rules where basically if NetApp takes one employee they have to take them all and at their existing terms and conditions. Oddly a rule designed to protect employment seems to be a reason for doing the exact opposite. In the UK the rule is awkwardly called TUPE. I wouldn't be surprised if NetApp isn't held to account for this to some extent since the wording in the regulation implies that taking the business as a going concern requires them to take the employees so unless NetApp plans to no longer do business in the EU they would seem to be in violation of these regulations.
But set aside the regulator aspect of this. Set aside the fact that a company who fails to show loyalty to employees shouldn't expect it in return. Just look to the ongoing business being done in the EU and one has to wonder if those OEM business, distributors, vars, business partners and customers are going to have second thoughts about how valued they and their business is to NetApp. I have heard that NetApp is taking 960 employees in the US and the 50 or so in the EU comes to a pretty small number especially if you consider that at least half of them are extremely valuable to the ongoing operations of the company. This means that for a very small 15 to 25 employees NetApp has decided that it is easier, cheaper and better to basically throw everything out the door and into the bin.
In the long run NetApp is bound to manage the situation but it really is one that was done thoughtlessly and needlessly and what ever money or effort NetApp thinks they are going to save is bound to prove to be a false economy.
The good news is that the competition for NetApp is going to get some very good and now highly motivated new employees.
Yep it is likely an April Fools gag but obviously one that has a lot of people interested in it being true. Even though the cost would increase to support and build such a design would go up it would certainly reduce the lead that SSDs have over HDDs in performance and help Seagate keep up their market share and volume.
Nice product think I might get one now
Stupid companies constantly trying to take advantage of consumers and not realizing that they just end up making things worse for themselves. I hadn't noticed this product but now that it has been brought to my attention I will give it serious consideration.
Incorrect comparison really
The comparison really doesn't work since with a train versus a plane the comparison is really about which is faster and or cheaper to effectively do the same thing where as with disk and tape they really are not the same thing.
I would suggest that people really need both. With disk based backups the primary concern is and should be for quick and easy restoration of data or even individual files. With tape backup the purpose is no longer so much to restore data but to have multiple archival copies of data to choose from and to also comply with various data retention laws around the world. Archival with disks can be done but it really is not the best use for them for numerous reasons including cost and long term reliability.
A more appropriate comparison would be to say a disk drive is a lorry (truck) and that tape is a warehouse. They both can store things but while a lorry is mobile the cost per square foot of storage is prohibitive when compared with the costs of a fixed structure such as a warehouse. A warehouse is inconvenient in that it can't move and is generally not where you want it to be when you need it but it does store lots of stuff efficiently.
The real underlying question again is why choose only one?
Sun's acquisition of StorageTek was one step back from the customers but Sun's acquisition by Oracle has been ten steps and a jump back from customers. Oracle customers are not generally well treated by Oracle support. Things such as moving virtually all content including supposedly free or publicly available products behind the no-contract-no-access firewall of Oracle is just one of the annoyances of having any Oracle/Sun products in your data center.
But, this fantasy does make sense in that Oracle was foolish to let NetApp get Engenio away from LSI for that price as their storage portfolio is a mess. Acquiring all of NetApp would be a lot more harder and expensive but certainly makes sense in that it solves most of their storage issues.
I like the NetApp kit and I like the Engenio kit. Please don't make me go back to EMC which is what would happen if Oracle got a hold of them.