* Posts by Chemist

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Torvalds: Linux devs may 'cry into our lonely beers' at Christmas

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Re: And cry you might

"About the only place Linux has any traction is in super-computing, but there you have a team of PhDs to fix the brokeness of it all. Not something the typical user has access to."

Like the Altix UV which runs standard SUSE Enterprise Linux.

Ref :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/15/sgi_altix_sales_hadoop_prefabs/

"and expand from its own variant of SUSE Linux to a machine that can run standard SUSE Linux Enterprise Server or Red Hat Enterprise Linux as well as Microsoft's Windows Server 2008 R2.

SGI has been making a lot of noise lately about how Windows Server 2008 can run on its Altix UV 100 and 1000 machines, and in fact, the UltraViolet hardware scales far beyond the limits of that Windows OS at this point. The Windows kernel sees the"

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Re: And cry you might

"Really, are these pro-Linux/anti-MS responses supposed to be sound, unbiased opinions? Jeez."

I think given his history we are more entitled to question AC's bias. I don't know what you're problems are but I ran through the 'problem' stage of Linux in the mid-90s, since then, mainly sticking with one distro (on bare metal) at home and RH professionally I've had very few. Some hardware is best avoided as the manufacturers don't release sufficient info to write good drivers but generally almost everything works (for me) and without the need to hunt for drivers.

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Re: So

"Fast forward five years and its STILL not finished."

Of course it's bl**dy finished, as much as any OS ever is, new hardware, bug fixes, new security threats, new paradigms

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Re: Oi Mr AC!

"If the software was available for Unix then Linux was not a necesity."

No, but the change from SGI Unix to x86 Linux saved a fortune

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Re: Oi Mr AC!

"Not bad for a joke OS."

I worked for a large pharmaceutical company - in our dept. we had ~250 Dell dual Xeon workstations with 3D graphics hardware/ LC specs. for visualizing proteins etc. Linux was necessary as the software suppliers for most of our protein modeling programs ONLY used Unix/Linux, but also the workstations were hammered by some of the software, running 100% cpu overnight or weekends or on one memorable occasion 5 weeks ! and Windows just wasn't reliable enough (this was ~W2000 era). we also had several Linux farms for the big jobs 1024/2048 nodes.

Indeed not bad for a joke OS

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Re: Oi Mr AC!

"You realise with your bigoted anti Linux rants, you are just making yourself look stupid?"

He does it all the time- he's probably the most down-voted individual on the Register. (this in spite of being leader of a large IT group ! )

I agree with you about the FUD. All my machines run Linux, netbook, laptop, server and 3 workstations, all install without problems, the two printers, one a laser the other a scanner/inkjet all work fine using the standard drivers under CUPS, the wireless cards/3G dongles all work, the touchpads work really well, sleep ditto, the accelerated graphics work. Multiscreen is a breeze.

This week we bought a HD Freeview recorder with WiFi which can use DLNA. - I installed minidlna server on this old laptop in a couple of mins., changed a few lines of config. and all the photos/videos on the laptop appeared on the TV and by including a few links to directories all the server's videos/photos where there too.

Have good Xmas everyone

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DisARMed: Geeksphone's next high-end mobe to pack Intel x86 inside

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Re: Android.. on x86?

"I wasn't aware Android was compiled to run natively on x86."

Yes, there's a port - I had it running on a VM for a while when my wife bought a Nexus 7

http://www.android-x86.org/download

http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-atom-x86-image-for-android-jelly-bean-43-installation-instructions-manually

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Munich signs off on Open Source project

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Re: that's the point...

"French police are moving to a Linux distro of their own"

I liked the quote in the article below :

"Moving from Microsoft XP to Vista would not have brought us many advantages and Microsoft said it would require training of users," said Lt. Col. Guimard. "Moving from XP to Ubuntu, however, proved very easy. The two biggest differences are the icons and the games. Games are not our priority."

arstechnica.com/information-techhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu/nology/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu/

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Re: "boring to the rest of the readers."

"A different AC here."

Thanks for that. We must wait for the final report from Munich although no doubt there will be just as many arguments about that.

I liked Destroy all Monster's post

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/containing/2057972

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"o end up with what is effectively a crippled desktop compared to a current Windows based solution - and they still can't support 30% of their apps on it!.."

Crippled desktop in your less-than-humble opinion.

It's NOT 30% of the apps, it's that 30% of the desktops need SOME Windows apps - may only be one. Anyway I'm not going on responding to an AC ( yes just the one) because it's like punching fog and I'm sure is boring to the rest of the readers.

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"And 5% not done yet, so fully 30% still require Windows after ten years"

No, 30% might require SOME access to Windows programs, 10% might require Windows on their desktop.

70% are just using Linux/OO etc.

Are you a Munich ratepayer ? or just a concerned citizen, or ???

I'm a Linux user professionally, and personally, I care not about MS, but I do care when misinformation is spread around

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"but of course doesn't highlight the many more that have to use Windows desktops via Citrix"

Oddly enough AC it did - 15% using virtual solutions and 10% Windows - Having Windows on a desktop machine needs to be justified.

Anyway why does it matter to you - are you a Munich ratepayer ?. I judge the overwhelming view of the posters/voters goes against your arguments - must be all Linux supporters - oh wait they are only 1% of population - must be Microsoft haters then - yep that might be another 90%

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Re: €30 million @Chemist 09:18

"t doesn't include the cost savings of migrating to updated Microsoft products,"

Ha,ha,ha

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"30 million OVER budget"

They didn't - it's only MS and one rather biased AC that is suggesting they did.

see http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/containing/2057907

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Re: €30 million @Chemist 09:18

"o it's unclear to me if the savings are annually or for the whole project."

I think it's the whole project, but they are supposed to be publishing up-to-date results soon.

The French police are claiming 2 million Euros/year in savings

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Re: PCs

"Wonder where they got the PC without Windows."

I think if you are buying 70000 it's not a problem. Indeed I know several companies in the UK that will sell you one, £70 extra if Windows is included.

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Re: that's the point...

"1000's of councils across Europe"

Not just councils, of course, The French police are moving to a Linux distro of their own. They've currently installed on ~40000 desktops and are intending to reach ~70000 by next year.

I thought this quote from the project leader in Munich was also telling :

""Windows has developed from a pure PC-centred operating system, like Windows 3.11 was, to a whole infrastructure. If you're staying with Microsoft you're getting more and more overwhelmed to update and change your whole IT infrastructure [to fit with Microsoft]," according to Hofmann, whether that be introducing a Microsoft Active Directory system or running a key management server.

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"f what you claim is correct, that is frankly utterly staggering."

Why ?

I've seen the time-line on a Munich doc but can't find it at the moment but from memory the bulk of the desktop moves took place rather recently (~3 years ?)

Yes it's on the document :

http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/dms/Home/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/Strategische-IT-Projekte/LiMux/Dokumente/Praesentation_LiMux_engl_web.pdf page 6

Looks like they spent 2 years getting people onto OO, then 2 years pilots of the linux system (1), then roll-out from 2011.

(1)Until the end of 2008, each of the city's departments will have a "LiMux germ cell". These are groups of 30-50 workstations that will be migrated to the LiMux client. Even in departments that are sceptical towards the migration, this helps the IT staff to become familiar with the software. This approach also allows the LiMux project team to learn about the specific technical requirements of each department, and address them before the full-scale roll-out of the software.

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"up a decade long project"

Although a decade is often mentioned it looks as though although the decision was made ~2003 actual implementation as opposed to pilots didn't begin until ~~2007, ran as a rolling process whilst maintaining the full council services and indeed had been intended to take quite a time.

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Re: €30 million @Chemist 09:18

"Who cares about savings."

Well I agree with you within reason, but a politician selling this would have a hard time in a democracy if the costs were unreasonably high. The bulk of the voters (if they looked at all) would just look at the bottom line.

Who knows how much Munich might earn acting as consultants to other organizations.

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Re: And then

"How does that solve the problem?"

It also says (page 15) 15% virtual , 10% Windows, 5% not yet done. They're having to use Windows to compensate for others lock-in.

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Re: €30 million @Chemist 09:18

"I don't know either. How much cheaper was it then?"

I hunted for a value from Munich itself rather than a news report. From Nov 2012

http://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII2/RII/DOK/SITZUNGSVORLAGE/2819522.pdf page 5

~12 million Euro saving compared with full Windows/Office

~7 million Euros compared with Windows/OO

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Re: And then

"And then

An excel spreadsheet full of macros comes in by email to the senior auditor."

They've already covered that in their documentation :

http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/dms/Home/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/Strategische-IT-Projekte/LiMux/Dokumente/Praesentation_LiMux_engl_web.pdf page 13-15

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"now they have to support a mixed environment with several thousand PCs still on Windows "

The Munich document states 14000 on Linux out of 15000 and all 15000 using Firefox/Thunderbird/OO

Stand zum Mai 2013

15.000 Arbeitsplätze nutzen freie Software wie Thunderbird und Firefox

15.000 Arbeitsplätze nutzen OpenOffice.org und den WollMux

14.000 Arbeitsplätze nutzen den LiMux Client

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Re: €30 million @Chemist 09:18

"I don't know either. How much cheaper was it then?"

Suggest you read the Munich document. The (MS) 30 million euros figure has already been laughed off the internet

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Re: €30 million

"is a pretty small price to pay for an organisation that size, just to get unlocked from a good deal of vendor shinigans!"

Especially as it was actually cheaper as everyone except MS/HP (and AC!) knows

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Microsoft rallies channel troops: Sell, sell, sell our spanking new 'Cloud OS'

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Re: history repeating itself, why?

Nice link.

Here's another :

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3493623/munich-declares-switch-open-source-successfully-completed/

By Loek Essers | IDG News Service | Published 09:41, 13 December 13

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Hey Linux newbie: If you've never had a taste, try perfect Petra ... mmm, smells like Mint 16

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Re: does anyone really use any Linux

"you do not use it for anything that can generate profit."

All this really shows is how limited your experience of 'work' really is.

By the way - if you are SO contemptuous of Linux WHY are you wasting your (obviously) valuable time on us retards ?

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Re: The hard side is having to interact with people that still use Windows.

"'you wont be able to read raw mode images on Linux:"

I have a long list of things that people have told me that I can't do in Linux.

It includes :

RAW photo processing - even my very new (at the time) Canon 450D was supported within a few weeks.

Software control of camera via USB

3G dongle - no problem

1080p/50 video editing - no problem

Hardware accelerated 1080p/50 video playback - CPU % hardly changes from 'idle'

Serial/USB adaptor - driver already installed

Multiple monitors - no problem

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Re: Been experimenting for years with Linux

"With Fedora I can (with much fiddling in display settings) get the video displaying on the TV but I can't for the life of me get sound over HDMI to work!"

I think you'll find some distros are now very easy to use with multiple monitors or TVs. I routinely play videos from my laptop to a HD TV. Plug in the cable (VGA in this case) and the the TV is automatically recognized as another monitor and options for mirroring or placement of the display are available- this using OpenSUSE 12.3

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"Seriously, does anyone really use any Linux desktop for any productive (as in paid) work ? "

Yes, much scientific software is only available for Linux/Unix

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Thought your Android phone was locked? THINK AGAIN

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"Linux + Java = security nightmares!"

Suggest you pop over to the "Patch Tuesday" item - your special skills are needed to explain that !

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Microsoft tarts up software licensing to fend off 'a few clicks and a credit card' rivals

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Re: I'm making it simpler in my business...

"But NOT on the desktop.."

Oh, you KNOW that do you. Well as usual you're wrong. It was the desktop I was talking about with Pharma, universities and CERN. For example I and my colleagues (~250) at one company each had a big dual Xeon workstation apiece running RHEL with buckets of memory, stereo graphics hardware that cost more than most workstations and access to compute servers and linux farms for the big jobs AND a Windows desktop each for the corporate cr*p

Also the share you spout about for servers is by VALUE not instances

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Re: I'm making it simpler in my business...

& big Pharma, universities, CERN ....

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Inside Steve Ballmer’s fondleslab rear-guard action

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Re: No, Liam, I won't be using a fondleslab as my primary computer.

"a 64 core compute server, and when I want to play with the big boys with big data: clusters or supercomputers. I use WIMP or touch as needed, but very often still use the command line."

Ditto. Even at home I often transcode or render video by switching it to my file-server to run 'off-peak' - slow but steady.

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Brit inventors' GRAVITY POWERED LIGHT ships out after just 1 year

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Re: Waiting for much brighter LEDs

Any tips on where to buy GU10 LEDs that are dimmer capable *and* of roughly similar light output to the halogens?

Try http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/

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Re: Practicality?

"the device only stores about 200 joules "

In fact that's only ~50 cals or in food terms 0.05 (big) Cals or ~~ 1/4000 pint of beer !

Not sure what the efficiency of 'burning' food cals is but judging by how hot I get shifting my 80 kg up 1000m of mountainside it could be quite poor !

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Re: Charging phones/radios

"what is a very efficient .1W buld equivalent to in old-fashioned bulbage?"

~~1W - I've just replaced 300W of QH lighting with 27W worth of LEDs.

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Our Vulture strokes Dell's ROBUST 15 INCHER: Inspiron 15 Core i7

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Thanks for reporting on the Linux suitability.

On another point, the offset touchpad, numeric keypad and several other aspects, including HD screen/15.6 " remind me of several no-name laptops I'm researching to buy OS free.

Are offset touchpads common now ?

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Windows 7 outstrips Windows 8.x with small November growth

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Re: That'll be the sound of the rush

"And the biggest problem group are the FUD-boys from sector Penguin and the flat out liars from the Gnuliban movement that never tried but throw around "knowledge""

I think you are wrong. In the main there are 2 problems for Win8 :

1) Microsoft and its totally unreasonable attitude to users and their feedback

2) Tablets. If half the market is now tablets and that trend continues it doesn't even matter too much if Win8 does increase its overall share of the desktop market.

BTW I think if you research The Reg. forums that most of the criticism is from long-time Windows users.

You do know what FUD means by the way ?

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El Reg Contraption Confessional No.1: The Dragon 32 micro

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"I still have the Premier Microsystems "

Don't have the Dragon anymore but well remember getting the floppy drive & cartridge - started me off with Forth.

Pulled the 6809E, made a board up with a 6821 PIA and cable, wire-wrap socket for the 6809 and back into the original. Used it for a long time to build stuff. Remember writing a 6802 assembler in BASIC ! ( it took AGES to assemble ~256 bytes ) for one project. Eventually used it as a terminal/disk for a home-made 6809 FORTH system which I still have although it now runs off a Linux system acting as terminal/disk

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DON'T PANIC: No FM Death Date next month, minister confirms

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Re: Well now

"I wonder which of the Tory party backers has the vacant FM bands in their sights "

AFAIK it's cross-party

(I think it's madness)

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Weird PHP-poking Linux worm slithers into home routers, Internet of Things

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Re: Public-facing webserver?

"The thing is that all the routers I've ever come across only allow access to the web-based admin interface from the internal LAN"

Some do and indeed are set by default to allow access from outside - very dangerous esp. with poor default username/password. I manage mine when away from home (~1/2 the year) by ssh into the system to my fileserver and admin the router from there. The ssh port, which is the only exposed port, is a non-standard and the only username allowed is very unusual and the password is 20 digit hideous. In 10 years I've never had a port scan that hit the ssh port although I used to get lots going for 22 until I blocked most low ports off at my ISP

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@TheVogon

"Then why bother posting it?"

You don't really know what pedantic means - do you ?

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Re: Is it 1998 already

"Spreading Linux worm"

Not exactly spreading - infects via php vuln, so it needs a running webserver to allow the infection, and then it tries to infect, using a binary from a single, known server, any other networked webserver using a small, motley collection of usernames/passwords. After that where does it go ?

Even Symantec rate it low

Threat Assessment

Wild

Wild Level: Low

Number of Infections: 0 - 49

Number of Sites: 0 - 2

Geographical Distribution: Low

Threat Containment: Easy

Removal: Easy

Damage

Damage Level: Medium

Deletes Files: Deletes files.

Distribution

Distribution Level: Low

Agree that it may yet be the tip of the iceberg but the real problem is poor passwords on devices

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"Richto was my previous name on here - changed because of confusion it was some sort of boast about wealth - not a new account"

Most regulars know that - apart from anything else your tedious style, idiotic references that often actually disprove the point you are trying to make and general pro-Windows, anti Linux rants are rather obvious even when posting as AC

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AC/TheVogon/RICHTO - what's the difference ?

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OpenSUSE 13.1: Oh look, a Linux with YOU in mind (and 64-bit ARMs)

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Re: I want to quit my addiction to Microsoft products...

"someone has an easy link to easy steps to get the distro on a USB I'd appreciate it..."

http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick

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You have a Skype voicemail. PSYCHE! It's just some fiendish Trojan-flinging spam

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There seems to be a huge increase in this recently, indeed I 'received' the Skype message this morning - I say 'received' because my ISP does a really good job of screening these out and puts them into a folder that I need to access via webmail - I just looked and there are 12 alone in the last 5 days - all with zipped Windows executables as the attachments

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