Re: What's wrong with LiMux?
"By this year "
Just point out (for those stuck in 2004) that THIS year is 2013 !
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"By this year "
Just point out (for those stuck in 2004) that THIS year is 2013 !
Although interestingly enough your ref. (dated : Feb. 17, 2004 12:04 pm with lots of comments from that date) has a link to the CURRENT Register.
Reporting the news or maybe making it ?
Someone has gone to some trouble to generate this FUD
This is truly PATHETIC even by your appalling standards - this (your own reference) is from 2004 !!
(By this year they had 13000 computers migrated to Linux BTW)
"That's incredibly misleading. ...."
YOU have mentioned this before on countless occasions - nobody believed you then and they don't know - 20 ACs or for that matter 100 ACs don't count BTW.
"* AMD's Catalyst graphics drivers for Ubuntu are utter crap (Nvidia's are pretty rock solid IME though).
* WIFI never really works properly (especially RealTek). I just tether through my phone's WIFI nowadays.
* KDE is very buggy. Try running Kubuntu and see how many segmentation faults you encounter."
Sorry you've had such an experience - please try a few live CD distros. I've never had KDE show a seg. fault on either OpenSUSE or Kubuntu, WiFi works fine for me on the 3 machines I have that need it (OpenSUSE). I agree the NVidia drivers are rock solid but others may disagree. I find the graphics drivers install automatically without any involvement from me other than running the updater manager
Ignore the first half of my reply I realize now that you were talking about Windows
The 2nd half stands though
"The fact that it may refuse to install is a clue that the PC you are installing it on needs a dos install first"
Nonsense. What on earth are you going on about ?.
Live CD first to check for any problems.
By the way none of my Linux machines have more than 2GB but they still perform (VMs, protein modeling, HD 50fps video editing etc, etc)
"I have never had a single one run to completion on its own"
I'm astonished, I agree you might well have some failures with some hardware and some distros but my experience for years installing to every years or so to 7-8 varied bits of kit ( desktop workstations, atom fileserver, lenovo laptop, asus netbook ) with OpenSUSE ( currently 12.3) and never had a problem, certainly not for ~~5 years.
"and just think "no way am I going to suggest that to my CTO/Board" and they'd be right."
So you think that making a major change to the way a company does business is better for being hasty, ill-thought out and done without pilots, evaluations and rethinks ?
"I just put mint on an older xp laptop,"
The advice I'd give is - don't rush, do a little research, download a few live CDs from the various distros and try one or more - this will show you any major problems with your hardware without committing to an install. If there aren't any problems, and I've not found any with (for example) OpenSUSE for years, then go ahead to a full install. If you don't have a bootable CD then a USB stick can be used (check with the distro) as long as your hardware supports booting from USB
"Linux doesn't really support NTFS. Only sort of. That may be caused by NTFS being proprietary closed source stuff."
Funny I thought this was at least do-able these days. I've no need having no WIndows systems but my OpenSUSE 12.3 has ntfs-3g and utilities.
"i.e. an amateur in all but name"
Better (by far) a very talented amateur than an anonymous loser
(Not, of course, that he is an amateur BTW)
"I don't know a single professional person that uses Linux on their desktop/laptops"
Well I do and I guess almost all computational chemists use Linux or Unix and that was 200 seats in the company I was in + protein scientists + x-ray structural people
"Also you're just as AC as other commenters who post under a nom de plume, and your comments don't have that much weight."
Absolute nonsense - he/she has a posting history - ACs can be anyone or more suspiciously just one.
Incidently Munich ALWAYS intended to take a LONG time to move to Linux - it's the sensible way, it's certainly the German way.
"you'd probably be better off stopping calling the users of Windows ignorant."
If you are SO smart you would have realised that he/she didn't. He/she called SOME people buying PC's (almost always) supplied with Windows ignorant. That is the CORRECT usage :
Use Ignorant in a sentence
1.lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
4.due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
Plenty of SAs here would describe their users as ignorant whatever OS they used !
"I can't think of one replacement to Microsoft RDP that allows users to......"
My wife used krdc for YEARS to access her school's Windows server for remote access - no problems and indeed faster than using Windows and not prone to crashing.
BTW thanks for joining The Register TODAY to post this ! It all helps to validate your impartiality !
"it doesn't need rooting though, Nexus Media Importer does the job very nicely, no root required."
And we use Samba via WiFi for storage anyway
"Dear clueless idiot,"
Cheeky sod !
Please learn to separate critical kernel vulnerabilities from trivial program problems. I'm ending this now as arguing with a faceless AC, yes just the one, is rather pointless, esp. with the constant repetition of worn, unproven, unprovable garbage.
What is it with you ? So insecure ? Afraid WIndows isn't as perfect as you like to suggest ?
I'm happy to use Linux, and indeed only Linux. You use what you want
"If I started listing monthly patches for any enterprise flavour of Linux, it would usually be a far longer list than the above."
That will be true after all I have dozens of programs and libraries that get upgraded fairly regularly . ALMOST always because of improvements to the code HARDLY ever due to vulnerabilities esp.not the kernel.
"That's not a very informed comment. Windows has far fewer patches / vulnerabilities than other OSs like Linux or OS-X."
. Windows has far fewer patches / vulnerabilities than other OSs like Linux or OS-X. - That's not a very informed comment
"nb - Office is not part of the OS. You would need an additional exploit to gain any additional rights over standard user..."
Just like a proper OS then these days.
Nota bene - the coming Windows security update include 4 critical remote execution and 10 important remote execution, elevation of privilege and DOS patches.
Bulletin 1 Critical Remote Code Execution May require restart Microsoft Office,
Microsoft Server Software
Bulletin 2 Critical Remote Code Execution May require restart Microsoft Office
Bulletin 3 Critical Remote Code Execution Requires restart Microsoft Windows,
Bulletin 4 Critical Remote Code Execution May require restart Microsoft Windows
Bulletin 8 Important Remote Code Execution May require restart Microsoft Office
Bulletin 9 Important Elevation of Privilege May require restart Microsoft Office
"Well that reminds me of the worst virus / worm attack ever - the Morris Worm - which was based on a Sendmail exploit on UNIX systems..."
Ah, the Morris worm, remind me 1988 wasn't it - powerful argument indeed !
"Don't tell me you think that any other OS doesn't have exactly the same issues as MS."
They certainly don't have exactly the same issues - what other OS allows execution of mal-code by merely previewing an e-mail ?
"The vulnerability in Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010, which "can be triggered simply by previewing an email in Outlook, even without explicitly opening the email", obviously needs to be patched as soon as possible. The Internet Explorer fixes also need to be rushed through."
"I would think someone as world-wise as you would know better than to get in front of a two minute hate."
"The CIA found that among a subset of job seekers whose backgrounds raised questions, roughly one out of every five had “significant terrorist and/or hostile intelligence connections,”"
Where does this state that 1 in 5 of ALL applicants have a connection to terrorism ?
"but is it really necessary to make all the UK passport holders wait through that process"
We came back via Calais a couple of weeks ago, the queue was far longer than normal, each car was taking 90-180 seconds and only 3 points were manned. Because the checks take place in France and before the ferry check-in any delay can cause a missed ferry even when arriving, in this case, with an hour to spare.
(This was, as usual, the ONLY passport check on the trip UK->France->Switzerland->Italy->Switzerland->France->UK)
"Its not about the phones its about Nokia's patents"
AFAIK MS have only licensed the patents NOT bought them.
"I will have to assume no such source exists and thus your statements are merely opinion."
I'm fairly sure that such sources might exist but only on Vogsphere
"YES Windows 8.1 is finished YES Windows 8.1 is finished "
By the way :-
Microsoft refuses to release study challenging Munich Linux success
"I would struggle to see how a Windows deployment would be cheaper than a Linux installment," said Roy Illsley, principal analyst at Ovum, who added that he couldn't imagine why Microsoft wouldn't release a study that actually proved that Microsoft is cheaper than Linux. "I would suspect that they read it and they suspected that there are some errors in there," he said.
"They tried that in Munich and it has been an unmitigated disaster, that cost tens of millions in investment from IBM, etc. that will never be recovered."
"Can you explain how I can update COTS software from a repo?"
I'd hope the vendor would provide a repo. as Google does for GoogleEarth.
I suggest that you are now picking Pediculus humanus capitis
"No, linux updates all applications which come from a repo."
It is however possible, indeed normal, to have a number of repositories, I have all the OpenSUSE for my version +packman. A little care is needed when installing certain applications ( for example kdenlive needs the programs/libraries melt, mlt, ffmpeg and vlc to be from the same repo.) to get all the necessary helper programs from the same repo but otherwise as stated all software will be updated automatically, semi-automatically or not at all depending on the user's wishes.
Good luck with your decision John, try a few live CDs first
"So...what DO you do with your PC...just so we know? CAN you do anything worth the effort?"
Edit 1080p/50 video
Edit RAW photos
Generate panoramic photos
Scan/print in colour & B&W
Program in a considerable number of languages
Layout & design PCBs
Program PIC microcontrollers
Access my other (remote) machines by ssh/fish/rdp
Run a file/odds&sods server and a Samba server for the wife's Nexus 7 & phone
Run considerable amounts of scientific software including hardware 3D modeling
+ all the usual wp/spreadsheets/browsing/video watching/GoogleEarth/Skype/e-mail
More to the point there isn't anything that I want to do that I can't.
"erm, you realise that most Linux distributions have far MORE vulnerabilities than Windows XP?"
So you KEEP telling us. Makes no difference to me I wouldn't use MS OSs if you offered me a free trip to Vogsphere. Guess I'll just have to be careful
(You might actually learn something if you analysed the levels of severity of these 'vulnerabilities' )
"Try kdenlive, fantastic software with a terrible name."
"Erm, GIMP is not a direct functional replacement for Photoshop. "
I know several professional photographers who use Linux, but they don't just use Gimp. There are a number of RAW photo conversion/editing/tweeking programs that are available.
Personally I do as little to a RAW photo as possible maybe resize/tweek exposure/tweek the curves/ unsharp/save in appropriate format usually.
Agree. I installed OpenSUSE 12.3 recently on a new dual-core Intel system and it took less than 20 mins.
"Where's the Linux support? Where's the Free BSD support? Those markets are just too small to justify supporting them."
Well I know what you means, but Nvidia provide drivers for Linux, Google provides Google Earth for Linux, Firefox, Opera .......
"It isn't working though. WP sales are growing at 70% year on year, and are about to break through 10% market share in the UK...."
Do you know I've heard exactly that MANY times from some AC who posts here
"Unless you want to run business software or play games. Or do CAD. Or a load of other things."
All the more reason to explore the alternatives now before MS really let you down or turn the screw !
I've often wondered how insecure some Windows' users are that they seem obsessed by attacking, usually quite inaccurately, an OS that apparently only 1% of desktop users use. Maybe a little paranoia, a feeling of uncertainty. ?
""it's not MS / it is free" pseudo-religious aspect"
Nothing of the sort - I've been using MS software since the days of single-board computers with 6502 8-bit BASIC ( and even that had an infuriating bug ), DOS, Windows from the start upto W2000 and it's always been mediocre , and the company has always been trying to tie it's customers into its ecosystem. Fair enough if that's what you want to do or don't know any better.
I started using Linux about 1994-5 and even though there were plenty of limitations early on the system was clearly far superior for what I wanted.
As a scientist I've mainly used PDP-11s, VAX , alphas, SGIs and then big Linux workstations and compute farms - WIndows had no place in that except for the usual corporate guff of Exchange/Word. ( Excel was never powerful enough or indeed capable of handling the dataset sizes needed for our research work )
"(1) Since I buy "complete kit" from Dell/Lenovo/HP etc. since more than a decade instead of self-assemble the Windows is "no extra cost" for all practical purposes"
The 'cost' is that you buy into and reinforce a monopoly and one that has shown itself to have only one interest - itself. People here are always going on about not wanting even a duopoly in mobile and yet de facto is a desktop monopoly (an arrogant and increasingly irrelevant one)
"Existing hardware does not run or only with certain distribution/kernel combinations"
The usual solution is to try a live Linux distribution to SEE if all your hardware works - it usually will.