* Posts by John Sanders

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Microsoft: We bought Skype. We make mobiles.. Oh, HANG ON!

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Re: If they abandon the Tiles for the Win 3.1 look&feel of Android...

Last time I used an Android phone I do not remember having to run an application, leaving it, run another, and then find the program group where it minimized.

I have used Winphones, Iphones and Androphones, and the only ones who let you change stuff you do not like are the Androphones.

I think that you like the simplicity of modern Winphones, they are ok if you do not do much with the phone.

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>> Competition is such a bit, eh? International calls were a pure profit market kept up by the lack of competition.

>> The carriers managed to keep the illusion going while all the same adopting the same VoIP technology they decried.

Look I'm not defending the telcos here, I'm with you denouncing their blatant abuse, which incidentally acted as the motivation for creating & using Skype in the first place.

The issue is not whether you or I like or not what MS is doing, or if we like or not the telcos, the point is that MS & Skype represent an existential threat to the telcos, which are not going to sit idle, and have way more power and influence than MS.

Microsoft has a history and a reputation of putting their interest first and partners last, and a taste for crushing whoever they have to crush. They may be clumsy on the execution but they are relentless, I'm sure I do not have to give more examples.

So I think the Skype integration is not going to be that great if MS wants to sell any MS phones "at all".

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"""Some theories suggested that Microsoft didn't want to antagonize its carrier customers by bundling Skype so closely with the handset."""

The Carriers have been antagonized a lot already; Elop during his tenure at Nokia fired many sales staff and forced others to leave, replacing the most competent and experienced carrier relations management experts with the bullies from Microsoft.

The issue with carrier relations and retail got so bad, that every time there was a credit ratings downgrade of Nokia, the bad relationship with the carried was always cited as the reason by the rating agencies.

"Skype is coming no matter what, but maybe we can do something creative that generates incremental revenue for you"

Skype is an existential threat to the telecoms carrier community. Not a profitability threat like BBM or Whatsapp.

A completely Skype-integrated platform destroys the carriers' profit without generating any money whatsoever for neither MS or the carriers.

Skype never made any money all by itself, it only got cash from investors, the amount of people that bought Skype calls was minimal compared to the total user-base, but in exchange it killed both international calls and video-conferencing markets.

The telecoms industry is 4 times as large as the computer industry, it is of the few very large industries that is experiencing good growth everywhere.

Does anybody think the carriers will tolerate without a bloody fight that MS destroys their industry for the sake of selling handsets to further cement their Server/Desktop monopoly in business?

We live in interesting times.

But one thing is certain, MS growth is always at the expense (Destruction) of somebody else, the lack of room in the IT market to grow, and its voracity is leading MS to spread everywhere, and at some point somebody is going to say enough is enough.

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Microsoft raids Symantec, snaps up UK licensing sales head

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Re: All people care about...

>> how the hell is Joe Admin supposed to cope?

Joe admin should consider spending time learning other non-MS OS.

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Doomsday Clock says 3 MINUTES to MIDNIGHT. Again

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Re: All those nukes...

"""So would a system that was last end-to-end tested half a century ago, with all the subsequent innovation, upgrades, redesigns, changes and cost-cutting have any realistic chance of working? I can't see much hope for it - but I hope nobody reads this and decides to try it out."""

The engineering and science bits resound yes.

Any modern IT system introduced in the last 30 years not so.

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FIVE Things (NOT 10: these are REAL) from the WINDOWS 10 event

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Re: Doing Something Stupid...

"For three decades, Microsoft has responded to competitive pressure by panicking, and then Doing Something Stupid."

"""This... is about the most perfect explanation I have ever heard for the entire history of that company."""

I do not think so, how can it be explained then their massive over-influence over the rest of the industry?

All those stupid decisions led to +90% market dominancein the PC space, and if it wasn't for the Free Unixes its control over the IT industry would have been 200%

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Hola HoloLens: Reg man gets face time with Microsoft's holographic headset

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Re: droool... NOT

From the sceptic department.

"""It's hard to judge from photos, the minecraft and skype pick"""

No it is not, what bothers me with these images is that they are way too "perfect", they show two very specific simplistic situations that adapt to the technology and not the other way around.

It is very easy to create lab impressive demonstrations, producing the same with day-to-day gear is a whole different matter.

Also this being Microsoft will not end being what it should be because it will not be open enough so people can hack on it and produce the killer open standards and major refinements that this will require to work in the real world beyond the gimmick of a tightly controlled demo.

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Windows 10: The Microsoft rule-o-three holds, THIS time it's looking DECENT

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Xbox App

Which looks suspiciously like the Steam client...

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Free Windows 10 could mean the END for Microsoft and the PC biz

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Really?

"""As we've written here before, offering free products in today’s climate of low-price but fully functioning devices is the way to grow market share."""

Grow market share where?

They control +90% of the Desktop PC market, (which is supposed to be in decline, that's another history), a very lucrative one as they charge companies twice or trice in CALs.

So MS plan is:

Create unified platform called Win10

Somehow sacrifice the cost of the OS license for consumers as a temporary measure, because it will make those adopt Win 10 in droves.

As user adoption of Win10 in the desktop increases the pool of users who can deploy applications from the MS store, that will attract developers, who in turn will have it super easy to convert Win10 apps to multiple devices.

Profit.

Well good luck MS :-D

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Oh no!!!

"""Windows 7 doesn’t work with Microsoft app-store apps."""

If only MS had the source code of Windows...

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Windows 10, day ZERO ... Will Nadella be the HERO?

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Microsoft

Known for their main defining characteristics:

a) They do not want to dominate a market, they want to own it all and crush the competition until they are driven to extinction. Their aim is to control the market.

b) Get into a partnership with them and they're the only ones to reap the benefits, VERY high risk of the partner being destroyed.

c) Too big, too many projects they do not care about, they wake up one day and decide they do not like the product you have spend the last few years working with, and you're screwed (IE: VB, Silverlight, Flight Simulator, XNA, etc)

d) Limitless arrogance, MS telling the telcos they had to share their piece of the cake or else Skype will kill them was one of those Godfather's moments MS is famous for.

e) A liking for dirtiness when planing ahead (IE: Their vapour-ware tactics during the late 90's, ISO OOXML fiasco, Sabotaging DR-DOS, the whole Internet Explorer saga to try to stop browser applications, the recent PR whitewash with Linux, The Android patent extortion, the SCO affair.)

I'm betting that Windows 10 is "The best Windows Ever" and you should pay them lots, adopt all their lock-in technologies and love how much they love Linux now.

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This could be a case for Mulder and Scully: Fox 'in talks' to bring back The X-Files

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Alien

It was a great show

The first few seasons at last, the Vampires episode (The one with the sunflower seeds) was absolutely terrific.

Then the show derived more and more into nonsense, and suddenly "Fox Mulder" whose bigger characteristic was being extremely intelligent was turned into an idiot because the script needed him to be.

I stopped watching the show when the first movie was released (a huge disappointment at the time).

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Scary code of the week: Valve Steam CLEANS Linux PCs (if you're not careful)

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Re: If my memory serves me right...

DOH!, Clearly I wasn't paying any attention to the article.

What always gets my attention about the Steam client in Linux, its not so much that it has lots and lots of scripts (and obviously this amounts to bugs like this one), it is the fact that it does not use the package system for updates, only uses it for bootstrapping the install.

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If my memory serves me right...

SteamOS was still in beta isn't?

So, while unfortunate as this is (someone got his drives completely wiped of his user accessible data) and the person who wrote the script should know a bit better, in the end you're not supposed to run beta stuff on your production data.

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You'll get sick of that iPad. And guess who'll be waiting? Big daddy Linux...

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For me windows is...

For a long time now Windows for me is that 10GB File thing I run on a KVM or Virtualbox VM when I need access to something weird or test stuff for a customer. (KVM Base images are awesome for spawning windows servers for testing purposes)

Since Steam came out for Linux I got rid of the Windows partition. Even Wine is good enough now to run some Windows programs if the need comes, that is happening less and less.

There is nothing I can not do from a Linux desktop now.

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And AC is...

The winner of Friday's pint!

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John Sanders
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Re: I'd try Linux mobile

"""Apps crashing, refusing to update apps because of "low memory"."""

Note I'm not defending Android here.

If you take away the concept of storage & file system from any modern multi-purpose computer system, and make the OS assume all sort of things as to what it its that the end user wants to do with the device, you end with these problems.

Add those concepts back and the wife struggles to understand the concept of backing up the device, removing old pictures and videos and cleaning the logs of Whatsarse, and she will complain that she doesn't have to study IT to be able to use the mobile phone.

People is lazy and they want all the benefits with none of the work.

Having said that, Android sucks, but it sucks less because it lets me do with the phone what I want, sucking less just means that, not that it is good, I find appalling that it comes with almost no search capabilities at all, and no, the google search APP does not count.

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Get coding or you'll bounce email from new dot-thing domains

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Re: Reality might suck for some people, but it's still reality.

The reality is that it is us westeners pushing all those "international" stuff.

The web & the internet was built in English by English-Speaking people in English-Speaking institutions.

The rest of the world made a free will decission to embrace it, those are all facts, always keep them in mind.

Everybody forgets that in keeping domain and user names in a single language with a limited character set, allows for universality of its understanding. English is dead easy to learn compared to Cantonese for example.

My name when written properly contains characters not available in the standard character set accepted by email systems, and I never thought that as a problem but as a blessing, as expecting an English, Chinese or Indian person to know the distinction between á, a, à, ä, or ã is plain stupid. The most important thing is to get my email, because I care about the contents of the message, and those can be written in my native sensibilities!

I'm sorry if I'm not up to modern cultural sensibilities, but all of this push for more TLDs and more international crap is just a con from some people who do not know what to invent, to make/start another economic frenzy, and they remember the recent boom of the internet and thought: "Remember the good old times when people were registering millions of domains?" "yes, how can we make this happen again?"

Do not believe me? There has been a lot of capital investment in registrars in the last 10 years, the people behind such investments are of the opinion that a registrar is a money printing machine, and they want to print as much as they can. I do not blame them for that, but lets not lose the north completely shall we?

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What will happen to the oil price? Look to the PC for clues

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Holmes

Re: Fracking

My friend, I wish you never find yourself without electricity for a long period of time.

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MAINFRAMES are SO NOT DEAD: IBM's launched a new one

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Re: Positioned as the badass mainframe to put in your office

Awesome, I will make my Workstation growl when my manager is close nearby.

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Dot-word domains 'a shakedown, designed to get money out of people'

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Well, what the heck where they expecting...

1) They are selling a product people do not need.

2) At a very high price. $7-$10 vs $20-$50, to $100.000s+

3) People are used to .com/.net/.org, they are well known.

4) You can do whatever.thing.i.want.com and it has proven that people do not remember it, why do they think cocacola.com is worse than refreshing.drink.cocacola or softdrink.cocacola, or was it drink.coke, or cola.coke...? I'm confused, let's Google it.

Yes, the DNS industry has a problem and it is not a PR one, they thought this little scheme of theirs will bring them riches, and they're hurt no one cares.

Idiots.

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Elite: Dangerous 'billionaire' gamers are being 'antisocial', moan players

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Re: Just like real life then?

Just like what they did with the Kickstarter and the single player mode!

Note: They sold the Kickstarter on having the offline mode in the game, and then yanked it at the last minute, and got away with it.

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UKIP website TAKES A KIP, but for why?

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Big Brother

Re: @Jim 59

El reg recommends movies sometimes too...

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We have a winner! Fresh Linux Mint 17.1 – hands down the best

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Re: zootle Peter Campbell asdf mousepads...

@Matt

"""One of the reasons to use hardware RAID with a proper HBA is the option of a battery-backed cache, which will save you and your data in situations ZFS will simply barf and die"""

It is the other way around, ZFS transactional-atomic nature guarantees that in case of crash or hardware failure the FS will be 100% consistent with no data loss, and that is why it requires RAW access to the disk.

If you have a pysical raid and one disk fails the raid card will mark the drive as failed and deny ZFS access to it. ZFS can not then recover the information in the sane bits of the drive leading to losing the entire array.

ZFS uses lots of RAM, there is never been misinformation about it, it is also clear why, it uses lots and lots of RAM for internal redundancy, and advanced features like de-dup and realtime compression.

Another point in mind is that I would use ZFS on storage nodes, where I would not be running any applications, because storage is the purpose of the system.

None of this means that you can not use a physical RAID controller, I'm not saying ZFS is the solution for every and all situations, just trying to explain where ZFS is practical.

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Re: asdf mousepads...

Just a note, you're not supposed to use raided disks with ZFS, its the first thing you read in the docs.

ZFS has its own RAID mechanics and doesn't need an underneath RAID layer, the disks are supposed to be presented to the OS as RAW disks.

This is hard to understand for Windows people, but modern file-systems software RAID implementations are sometimes better than the hardware ones, and have very little overhead.

Hardware RAID still have their place, but for basic Raid 5/6 deployments you do not need them any more. ZFS when working as RAID for example is completely crash proof.

In my case I'm quite fond of mdadm in Linux mirroring Ext4 LVM volumes, the overhead is not noticeable, and read speed is greatly improved as it uses both drives for reading.

It has advantages inherent to being a software solution like being able to mirror from any volume to any other volume, on any controller (IE: motherboard sata to usb attached drive)

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Internet Explorer 12 to shed legacy cruft in bid to BEAT Chrome

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When I read things about MS rewritting IE:

When I read new like this I always think that in typical Microsoft fashion Internet Explorer is just not a mere browser, but an integral part of windows (Remember the antitrust trial?)

IE for the windows fan-boys out there is (among other things and at a glance): The pop3 libraries Outlook uses for connecting to pop3 servers, it is the OS HTML, XHTML, & CSS rendering engine for lots of dialogs in the system (probably less so in 8 & 8.1 but still in use), it is also used to render the .chm files (another good idea ditched by MS just because they can, and because it was good), it forms the basis of various system's services HTTP capabilities, and it is also used as part of many 3rd party APIs for lots of other things I forgot.

In light of this "integral" behaviour what MS will do is:

1) Create another bare browser with no options and barely any functionality out of "pinch to zoom" (It seems to be the norm these days anyway)

2) Ship it installed alongside a (not-so) hidden copy of the old IE, (conforms to what they always do add layer after layer of dried old crusts to the OS), if they do not, things will break, and fan-boys will complain.

3) Do lots of marketing and PR, and even claim some open source pedigree to whitewash their image.

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Devuan rebels hope to deliver Debian fork in 2015

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Trevor...

I respect their efforts, wish them good luck and such, but seriously they are wasting their time and money.

I wonder what's everybody going to think/do when Debian Stretch (Jessie+1) comes out with systemd as an optional dependency.

Because that was the plan well before this debacle caught the eye of the good old "el Reg" commentards.

Due to schedule constrains Jessie was meant to come with systemd as a default, optional later on in 8.1/8.2 and definetively optional from the beginning in 9.0

But, who cares, where's the drama on that. Its like Networkmanager, once something has a bad rep who cares about the facts or like in the case of Pulseaudio, who cares if it ever improves.

And once again I'm no systemd devotee or anything, I think it is too ambitious and should be leaner, but I have spend quite a substantial amount of time with it and I can not see where are those terrible problems people is having with it, and much less those logs you can not made use syslog if you desire.

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Re: I'm looking forward to the first edition

You do realize that you can remove Networkmanager and all its good in the world don't you?

Let me add that I can also understand that when it was new and causing issues one would want to do that, but in this day and age when it runs fine "almost" in all situations, it seems silly to me.

This comes from someone who's sole OS is Linux and has all computers (x5) at home except the server running network manager. (The server does not need a gui config tool obviously)

Just for the VPN management alone (Supports cisco IPSEC/OpenVPN/Anyconnect out of the box and well) its well worth it.

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Microsoft shutters Office 365's free web site service

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Re: Thanks, Problem solved

""This winter's task was to get my head round the Sharepoint(less) website stuff that comes with my Office 365 subscription.""

The entire Office 365 is very curious, the web part of it is so simple and devoid of functionality that I wonder why do they even bother, it is so simple that I find confusing how to use it!

The bits that do the work, essentially Word/Excel/Outlook are the same as ever, but with a coat of crap interface.

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Sharepoint

Is a product that shines if you have SharePoint developers in house to essentially turn it into something non-generic.

I have seen lots of companies that invested a ton of money on it, to finaly end losing the people who maintain it, thus letting it rot big time.

And at the same time depend on it enough to grant investing a little fortune into getting the latest version plus a couple of contractors to import all the old stuff into the new version, where it will rot until the time the next version comes around.

The endless Microsoft circle of life (for Microsoft) in which no competing product is ever even considered, because the company has too much dependence in <introduce product name here in this case SharePoint>.

SharePoint is a tar-pit platform.

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Untangling .NET Core: Open source for Windows, Mac, Linux

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Re: You like MS Products

@dogged

The fact that you are rude and are poor educated to engage in civilized conversation leads me to think that you are someone who knows no better.

I suggest you read more about how MS has been operating for 30 years, and what sort of activities Mr Gates gets engaged on besides the obvious headlines.

Mr Gates charity work is at the bare least questionable, and bear in mind you brought him into the conversation.

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Re: Dear microsoft guy...

No, it is not good enough, the code may be open but the software its not free.

Not with their reputation and past actions.

Extraordinary claims (Microsoft being nice to anyone in the IT industry) requires extraordinary evidence.

What most Windows people do not understand is that unless the OpenSourcing comes with no strings attached bad things happen (See MySQL and OpenOffice cases) and there is no point on use it then.

.NET is both a development platform and an ecosystem, for anyone building anything complex in it, it represents huge cost and has lots of implications and uncertainty for the future.

I call it a carrot and a stick, and the stick is huge

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You like MS Products

Fine go along using then.

But do not come with the history that MS has suddenly has become Mother Theresa and wants peace with the world, and are now a FOSS company.

They have proved time and time again that they are very sleazy and very nasty even when they do not have to be.

The two latest examples are the OXML debacle and Nokia, both Microsoft at its finest.

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Dear microsoft guy...

Smiling for no reason in a picture on the Register.

Release software using a GPL license and then, maybe then we may consider that you may have good intentions.

Until then.

In the words of the late Admiral Ackbar:

IT'S A TRAP!!!!

In my words: This vague opensourceish .net is nothing more than:

A whitewash PR exercise for MS, mostly consisting on grabbing the press attention and filling google's index database with good "MS vibes" and an attempt to further's Microsoft's agenda at the expense of everybody else, what they always do**.

**Note that they are on their right to do so, but they are not on their right to do it via deceptive means.

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Pitch Black: New BlackBerry Classic is aimed at the old-school

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Thumb Up

Tell me...

What I need to know:

* How much RAM does it have?

* Does it has a Mini SD Card slot?

* Can I install Android apps without much hassle?

* How long will BBRy produce updates for it?

In the past that is what mostly killed Blackberry**, if they have solved all of those, I'll get me one.

**Not the lack of SD card slot though.

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Server SANs: Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

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Re: No mention of...

Ahem..GPFS..cough, cough...

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Hold the front page: Spain's anti-Google lobbyists lobby for Google News return

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Paris Hilton

Does anybody outside IT

Understand how the World Wide Web, or (in a high-user-level) understand how the Internet works?

Do they realize that we're supposed to link to one another, that it is a good thing (Driving traffic to your site)

In the Spanish case, I can understand the Spaniards (Expert on the subject here after all ;-) They see Google; large corporation making money "Big USA style" and hey get handed some in the form of adwords.

Like good old government-privileged prehistoric lobbies from another times (GOPPLFATS) they can smell the billions Google makes and like the good greedy (mentally) peasants they are they reason:

"Hey, Google is makin billions and billions, and they do so cos our content, cos Google makes no goddamn content, we do, we need to ask the government to pull money from Google, cos they're stealing our content"

And Le Google like a good'old USA corp full of billions and with no patience for irrelevant peasantries from the GOPPLFATS, do what a Google would do: "We do not negotiate with stinking terrorist", we're pulling the lights and taking the party elsewhere.

I wish something like this could happen more often on other areas of Spanish political life, a direct big slap in the face with a yelled: "Wake up you idiot".

And do not worry, the Spaniard politicians will go back to their usual stupid shenanigans in no time.

This is the Americans fault, due to the American nuclear bombs that fell into Palomares in the 70. The country its been trapped on a vortex ever since (Radiation has hits things) and it is trapped permanently at the end of the 60's, time passes, but people's minds don't realize its not 1966.

Merry Christmas to everybody!

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Searching to destroy ... Bing? Facebook JILTS Microsoft

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FAIL

What's up with the oversized images?

Reduce the size of the images to half of what they are now!!!!!

For god's sake we do not come to "el Reg" to look at nice pictures!

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Skinny Ubuntu Linux 'Snapped' up by fat Microsoft cloud

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Facepalm

Here we go again.

Why does anyone with an interest in any kind of IT market get in bed with Microsoft at the slightless opportunity?

Don't they know MS will F**k them at the slightless opportunity?

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SanDisk vows: We'll have a 16TB SSD WHOPPER by 2016

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Re: Never mind the enterprise...

Hey in Linux via mdadm or btrfs you can have a disk replica of your SSD on a slower regular drive.

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Angry Birds to angry words: Rovio flings 14% of its staff out the door

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You guys forgot the best game they make

The best game they make is Bad Piggies

I absolutely love it

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Docker part 4: Microsoft CAN'T ignore it. Aux armes, citoyens!

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Re: The Lannisters sends their regards...

"""RedHat are any better? VMware? Oracle? Google?"""

To my knowledge only Microsoft actively sabotages the competition by any means necessary.

Also I do not remember of VMWare or Google, or RedHat for that matter deliberately trying to subvert the entire industry.

Oracle is an entire different matter, but they are way less evil than MS, I have never heard or read of Larry claiming a competitor is a cancer.

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The Lannisters sends their regards...

"""Like it or not, they're now a minor house in Silicon Valley's Game of Thrones."""

"""Every piece of advice they receive will come with a hidden agenda. Every partnership will be a veiled attempt at storming their castle and taking all their gold. Every hand of friendship conceals a dagger and every smile hides deception."""

And they go and partner with Microsoft, who would eat its babies if that meant getting more control of another 0.1% more of the IT industry.

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systemd row ends with Debian getting forked

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Re: Good discussion/a couple of ways forward

"Back box", you keep using that term, I think it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Specially not with GPL v2.1 licensed software.

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Re: Kids! Kids!

John,

Its no use, systemd its going to eat their server babies and there is no way to convince them otherwise.

This is beginning to resemble modern politics in which facts do not matter anymore all that counts is people's perceptions.

It can not be that systemd is trying to accomplish something technically difficult and that always implies a certain conflict and having to learn stuff (some times the hard way)

Also it can not be that what has been agreed is that systemd is the default choice in Jessie, but it was also agreed that in Jessie+1 it will be optional, it is not optional now on Jessie due to time/resource constrains.

No, it is none of that, it has to be a Red Hat Conspiracy of some sort!!!! Don't you see!

I can understand now why some of the Debian developers resigned. :-(

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Re: Just integrate systemd and /etc/init.d

RHEL 6 uses upstart, just saying in case you haven't noticed.

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Re: Production ready?

"(hell, the reason Debian went with SystemD was the additional workload involved in not using it)"

And that somehow is not important isn't? Someone else will do the job for you.

It floats its a witch, burn!

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Re: If systemd is so bad...

@Trevor_Pott

What a disappointment to read this kid of BS from you.

So that is why systemd is GPL 2.1 isn't? To prevent anyone from forking or modifying it.

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Re: Hasn't this happened already with Upstart?

See the majority of the people seriously trolling and stalling systemd were (just like by chance) some prominent Upstart developers.

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Brit smut slingers shafted by UK censors' stiff new stance

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Angel

Politicians in the morning:

- After having his cereal and drunk his coffee:

"Female ejaculation"??? We will not tolerate such thing! Oh no!-no!-no!-no!.

And thus I'm now horribly curious about this subject.

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