29 posts • joined Tuesday 23rd March 2010 15:22 GMT
Re: Potato instead of camera module
"The only thing which is pulling me away from HTC and to Samsung is updates and battery life."
HTC are actually ahead of most in terms of updates...
Re: No swappable battery, no sale
"'drop in' is really shutdown-remove-plate-swap-batteries-start-up-again. It's easier to leave it to charge up a bit while having a shower, making a sandwich etc., no?"
Not when you're camping in a field, trapsing half way up a mountain, sunning yourself on a beach or on a long flight it's not.
Every smartphone I've ever had barely makes it past 8pm before it desperately needs a charge. If there's ever a chance of randomness in my day, my spare battery can deal with it.
Those external battery/rechargers are so slow, it means leaving your phone off for at least an hour before things become useful again. Useless on a long train journey when my only entertainment is my phone.
Then there's the fact that batteries lose their change over time. A year later and my original phone battery holds only holds 60% of it's original charge.
Are we just singling out HTC over this? If memory serves, most of the manfucturers were just as lax. I definitely remember there being a lot of manufacturers being hauled over the coals for the Carrier IQ controversy.
Re: What exactly is good about it?
In my experience HTC's support come out the best of all the Android manufacturers, update more of their older models and other than Nexus devices are generally the fastest to upgrade.
It doesn't have a removable battery either.
It's made by LG. (Who's TV's I like but have found the build quality and support of their phones so shockingly bad I've vowed never to buy a phone made by them)
Re: Market share drop not surprising
Exactly. Automatic No-Sale for me.
I really like HTC phones and much prefer them to any of the competition but without a removable battery or minimum 2 days of average use (which would probably include about 2 hours of ebook use) then a phone is not even on my contemplation list.
These niggles, not essential but would definitely help HTC claw back market share...
Longer lasting batteries
Louder external speaker
Louder headphone volume
At least one high end 'Nexus' model (although I'd probably stick with Sense as I think most of integrated apps are far superior to most Google/third party versions). In fact perhaps if they just released a Nexus style version as an OTA sidegrade for all their models then both Sense and stock lover could both be happy.
Chris D Rogers
Indeed. Many of my Mac owning designer friends are upset that Apple seem to be ignoring them after many, many years of devoted loyal service. Whilst there's still a way to go before they're likely to switch platform, perhaps this is the angle MS needs to claw back market share... Emphasize a professional OS for professional people. They should stop messing about in the consumer area and aim squarely at professional vertical markets, especially those in engineering and design.
Whatever happens, aside from high end gaming, the desktop will decline rapidly outside the workplace as consumers can now consume on anything. Better for MS to concentrate it's Windows OS on professionals who more likely than not will need a quality desktop and do something separate (I mean completely separate) for the plebs.
For a very long time, I've had Google's "Don't be evil" thrown into the same bullshit bucket as Apple's "It just works"
People don't think Google are 'nice'. Just because they had good intentions way back in the mists of time, when they were small and spritely doesn't mean they can continue with that wonderful thought now that they're a huge megacorp.
Basically, nice guys don't get the girls and this applies in business as much as real life.
Re: @ LarsG
I thought my Sensation was really slow after the 2nd ICS update but recently found a really simple fix.
Try disabling 'fast boot' (Settings > Power > Fast Boot) and reboot.
I wouldn't exactly call it a 'blow'. They never did well there anyway so it's not as though they've lost much. The South Koreans are a pretty patriotic bunch and it takes a lot for any foreign country to beat them in local markets if they have a roughly equivalent product of their own.
Re: So hang on..
It's maybe for ActiveSync to connect email apps to MS Exchange servers. MS also did a lot of research on multitouch (Surface 1 /PixelSense - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4hkSSlFYII ) way before Apple so there's maybe something amongst that lot too.
Android is not realy about making money, it's about survival. Sure, Google is the head of a pack and they are the main developers but people seem to forget that it's the companies in the Open Handset Alliance that have the most to gain/lose by there not being a credible competitor to iOS.
Re: Google, device manufacturers and developers are all the problem
I agree with almost everything you say except...
"They typically fall in to the cheaper crowd (but not always) given all the free android phones you can get."
The thing is, most blogged reports don't mention Android sale broken down into budget so it's hard to find exact figures. However, I did find something on uSwitch.
The UK current top 10 selling phones (uSwitch) reads as follows...
£540 Apple iPhone 4S 16GB Black
£420 Samsung Galaxy S2
£540 Apple iPhone 4S 16BG White
£384 Nokia Lumina 800
£478 Samsung Galaxy Note
£460 Blackberry Bold 9900
£492 HTV One X
£468 Samsung Galaxy Nexus
£354 Samsung Galaxy S
£430 HTC Sensation XL
I used the clove.co.uk site to get the contract free prices.
Why they thought they needed to mention the same model of iPhone twice is a mystery. Anyway, I'm sure there are a lot of cheap Android phone out there but of the Android phones (with maybe the exception of the old Samsung Galxay S) in that list are high end models.
And whilst I completely agree with you that Google need to buck up their APIs in a load of areas, and may lose market share at the top end to MS if they don't sort things out, I'm pretty sure they'll still command the middle and low end markets for some significant time to come. I think MS may carve themselves out a nice solid area of their own with solid utilitarian apps but I'm doubtful the clever/different apps will make their way onto the platform.
To be honest though, I'm pretty happy with the level of functionality of my HTC Sensation. I don't like playing games on handhelds regardless of make/model, even (PSPs or DS's) I don't watch video on it and the only audio I listen to is audio books. I'm not that bothered about bigger, higher resolution screens. I just want better battery life, a better camera in low light settings, a screen I can read in direct sunlight and louder loudspeaker audio.
I think those iPhone music production apps are amazing but they're pretty niche. Something I would probably download for the demo but not actually pay for. I just need my phone to deal with my communication and informational needs. If a feature or function doesn't improve those, then it's on my B-list. In fact, I think I may actually sit out the next level of upgrades as I don't see I'll get much more benefit out of them. Another year down the line and hopefully the mid level models will be all I need. At present though mid is still too much of a compromise. However, with Android, at least I have that option and can pick and choose what features I want.
Well I'm still holding out for Win8 to come out before I make my decision.
I want a 'productivity' tablet, something to go alongside my desktop, something that will run the same apps as my desktop or at least the same file formats. Neither iOS or Android can do that.
Now whether MS can come up with something good enough to do real work on is another matter.
I'm getting the horrible feeling they're going to try and crash the 'consumption' tablet market without putting enough effort into the 'production' tablet market. If that is the case then you very well may be right.
Despite that. I'm still a little bit confused as why many people seem to think ubiquity is equivalent to the best (or at least the most appropriate). Many companies still make a shed load of money by dealing in niche products. MS should aim squarely at the business user/professional and forget about the mainstream.
I have to admit I'm not all that keen with all this rush to make the simplest product possible. A lot of these tablet/cloud apps have 1/10 of the functionality and take 10 times as long to run. Again, MS could mop up the little sector if they played their cards right.
There's already a little bit of a backlash against Apple for dumbing down OS-X Lion and some of it's applications (Final Cut) so I can't be the only one who prefers fast, fully featured applications. Maybe, these types of program won't be the mainstream purchases anymore but I'd certainly rather pay for something good than have something average at the expense of my privacy.
No it won't. It'll run until it's fixed. This is obviously a fsck up by HTC than some evil plan. It's an issuse related to HTC Sense 3.0, not Android.
If HTC get this sorted out promptly, it'll be pretty much forgotten in a couple of months. Of, course, if they drag their feet on this then they deserve the worst.
Except the primary reason many people buy HTC is because of HTC Sense, not in spite of it. I too have gone down the custom route in the past but truth be told, I like the extra HTC toys.
My old Hero is running CM7 but I wouldn't put it on my Sensation.
Let me know when there's a custom ROM that includes Sense 3.0 for the Sensation then I may change my mind. Until then, I'll stick with a rooted standard Sense 3.0.
No, I'm not particularly worried about the lastest news. Yes, it's a serious booboo by HTC and I'll have to wait for them to fix things before I download any more apps but as I've got everything I need right now, that's not a big problem.
Sorry but the absolute last thing MS need to do is lose backwards compatibility. Sure full fat OS's are no longer in the cool school but they're still needed and as soon as someone comes out with a workable way for me to run *all* of my desktop apps on a lightweight slate the better.
However, I'm yet to be convinced that Metro is the right front end for that kind of 'production' device despite looking good for use as a consumption tablet.
Agree with 1.
Disagree with 2.
Google is placed about 5th on my evil tech company list (after Facebook, Apple, Oracle and MS)
Always on connection?
Chrome has one serious flaw for me... It's reliance on the Internet.
I've not looked at Chrome's offline caching if it has any but I can think of several situations where having cloud based apps will cause me real problems.
1. On the London Underground - no signal, no play.
2. At my mums in the country - modem only access to the net, up to 1 bar 3G signal depending on the weather
3. On holiday abroad - How much does 3G roaming cost?
4. On a flight - probably no signal, very expensive if they do.
5. Data caps and limits. What happens if you go over your limit?
Chrome might have it's uses as a corporate HQ thin client OS but as an OS for 'go-anywhere' device it needs to be able to cache several apps and a fair bit of data. There are just too many situations where either internet access is not available or too expensive to use.
The SDK may be free but you need a Mac to run it on.
Chrome < Android
>"Chrome OS is for netbooks".
It's a thin client OS. It's perfect for a huge business. It just sits there and lets big servers do all the work. You don't store apps on it and you don't leave data on it.
> "It's a kind of Andriod on steroids"
No it's not. It's more like an anorexic Android stripped to it's bra and knickers.
Yawn, the same old misinformation. Don't you just love it when people wheel out 5 year old boilerplate myths.
Windows 7 comes with a firewall and if it weren't for all the antitrust issues they would have included their own antivirus / antispyware too. As it is you can download MS Security essentials which is more than adequate for general purpose use.
Besides, a bog standard (NAT) home router blocks out 99.9% of all attacks almost out of the box. The only thing that really left is trojans and phising which other OSs are equally prone to.
I have a great respect for Linux. In fact if things were different I might have gone that route but it's not the operating system that make Windows what it is, it's the apps and frankly, most Linux apps are second rate. I've spent over 20 years in IT and I've tried a couple of times to move over to Linux but I'm always brought back because a) the Linux apps just don't work as well and b) because I've built up a heck of a lot of knowledge on Windows apps and I'm, not going to ditch all that and start again.
I also think Android is a great smartphone OS and whilst I can imagine owning an Android Tablet to mooch around the house on, but I still can't imagine it on my main desktop at home. It's far too limiting. Chrome by all accounts will be even more restrictive in features and require an internet connection.
I support small businesses running PCs of all sorts (Windows, Macs & Linux) and the number one issue they have is due to internet problems of one sort or another. I would not want to be in a situation where I couldn't even type out a letter, run an accounts package or do some spreadsheet work if the connection suddenly went down.
Chrome may be getting ready for the internet but the internet is certainly not ready for Chrome.
Google are going back to the 'mainframe'. Chrome OS is basically nothing more than a thin client OS. Google has the servers onsite so going the Chrome OS route inhouse makes total sense. I'm just not sure there will be enough flexibility in the system for all the small & medium sized businesses out there.
I'm worried about Chrome OS as a philosophy too. If you take thing to the logical end, this will mean Google will own all your apps and hold all your data. Where does the application developer fit into this? If you were a developer be happy with one outfit controlling what you could or could not distribute?
Lastly, If you thought Microsoft's monopoly was bad, just wait five years and see how bad it's going to get when Google, Apple (and Microsoft) really start locking things down. They all talk of 'standards' but they're all trying to differentiate, through fair means and foul and I believe there's going to be a massive issue of top level fragmentation which is going to hurt businesss and especially small developers. The web is about to be chopped into pieces and Business will end up having to pay three times (or more) to make sure they're connected to everything.
(not one for sticking to a point and much prefers a good ol ramble)
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
And no doubt the people that are complaining about this are exactly the same ones that complain the government don't do anything to promote business and technical excellence in the the UK..
Yes, the government will in all likelyhood f**k it up but it's better they try than do nothing at all and I'd much rather have Berners Lee running the show than some brain dead minister.
It's the whingers and whiners of this country that have sucked the 'Great' out of Britain.