1195 posts • joined 23 Mar 2010
Re: Memories of Eaton's...
There's been a license check API since Android 1.6, but apparently not many devs used it.
Google makes money from the Play Store, which grew 150% in the last year (in app revenue) and from mobile search. Probably more important than the money the do make is that if they didn't have Android they would have less influence on what people do with their mobile devices, and their mobile revenues may have suffered because of that.
And they charge to have the Gmail, Play Store etc apps installed.
Re: People still watch TV?
Chromecast is not about TV, it's just content and a screen. Even when broadcasts cease I expect "TV" will still hang around as the name for a big screen in a living room.
It has a proprietory SDK of course, but the protocol is open.
Re: Pocket money prices
Lovefilm aren't showing stock Android any love (they stream only on Kindles) and if they don't support Chromecast I'll be taking my £120/year elsewhere. They can't even be bothered to sync my watchlist from the website to the TV app.
Re: No-one has mentioned the ads yet...
What form will the ads take? I can't imagine Netflix being happy if a 3rd party inserted ads in their content. The advantage to Google of this solution is that it keeps things on the web instead of hiding them in apps. If they're on the web then people will search for them with Google and see ads there.
A lot of people tweet whilst watching TV. Is it really such an issue for you that this doesn't prevent them from doing that?
Re: How is it different from a Smart Android Dongle?
In what sense is it a "google walled garden" when you select Netflix content on your Ipad and cast it to a Toshiba TV?
The "host device" doesn't host anything - that's where the biggest difference is. RTFA. HDMI is less functional and less convenient.
Re: I only regret that I have but one...
People have already got it to cast a full screen, and when you consider it doesn't need to have the same content running on your tablet as well as the TV, and the cost of entry is a small fraction of getting yourself into the Apple ecosystem, it's obvious why iTards are spreading the FUD.
It does a lot more than just play Youtube. Complaining about this product now is like dismissing the first web browser 20 years ago because there wasn't much internet at the time. You can connect a laptop via HDMI and play Iplayer content, but if your TV has an iplayer app, would you bother with the cable and the hassle of having the laptop open on the floor? For such a small price I'm happy to have the convenience of wireless streaming and being able to select and control content from my couch.
Re: I think this might work..
Yes, searching across services is definitely the next step. This already removes the awful TV/remote interface and soon it could remove the siloed app concept too. Google's interest is in keeping the web open and searchable, and when that coincides with giving customers a useful product it's a great thing.
Re: Audio to External sound system
I'm not up to date on AV hardware. Is there nothing which has HDMI input and output and also has home cinema functionality?
Sssshhhhh! Don't let Dave hear!
Re: As useful as Apple TV then?
The "ecosystem" in this instance is an IOS device, Android device or a Chrome browser. You don't even need a Google account.
And it does stream local content if you can play it in Chrome. On Windows it supports MKV, MP4, MP3, JPG and possibly others.
I'm pretty sure I heard that Google will vet all apps which use their SDK. Whether they can do that for something designed to work within a local network is another matter, but you might be disappointed. I sense this, like other media playback/distribution restrictions, is to keep the Copyright Cartel happy rather than to suit Google.
Re: $35 + Cost of a tablet remote
You don't need a tablet, just Chrome on your existing laptop. If you don't have a laptop then add that to the cost of the TV, couch, house and hookers.
"Applications on the sender device can be Android or iOS applications, or a Chrome app"
Sure, people already have apps on Smart TVs, but how many people actually like to use those interfaces?
Re: Chromecast v Smart Tv
The YouTube app on my Samsung TV already has chromecast-like functionality. There is an option in the app to pair with another device, which can be a smartphone app or a browser running the YouTube site. I think Sony TVs have the same, so yours might be able to do it too (if 2 brands have it they all might).
Re: Streaming from the net or via the local device?
It does both! Eg, from YouTube (iOS or android app, or the website in any browser) you can make chromecast stream a video from the YouTube server. From Chrome you can mirror a tab to chromecast no matter what content the tab contains.
Isn't a wire-free option more convenient? There's an SDK so there will be more content coming but in the mean time you can watch *anything* you like by streaming a Chrome tab.
Re: Might be worth a punt
It's Chrome so it runs web apps, there's nothing to install. Think of it as the youtube phone app sending Chromecast a URL for a video and asking it to stream it and you'll be close. But you can do the Airplay thing if you want, from Chrome.
This makes smart TV redundant, not the other way round. For content providers they just need to add some code to their website instead of making apps for all the different smart TV providers. For consumers the remote control is your phone or laptop, so typing and menu selection is a much less painful experience. This also benefits providers because it makes it more likely users will sign up for the available content - I can't be bothered using some of the stuff on my Smart TV because it's such a pain to register, log in and set up payments.
It's 312 ppi (beyond retina, contrary to the article) and, if it uses the same X8 chipset the new Droids have, it's actually an octo-core being misreported as a dual-core: 2 cores for normal processes, 4 for graphics, 1 for contextual stuff and 1 for natural language processing. With that setup the battery life might be superb even with a smaller mAh number than other phones.
Re: No desktop apps
Perhaps without the desktop mode its market position as a tablet would be more obvious; as it is we get a load of complaints about backward (in)compatibility. But the Office suite makes it a better prospect than any other tablet (ignoring app availability) so it's understandable that they'd include it - they just marketed it wrong.
If they allowed installable software on the RT desktop they'd create a confused ecosystem with X86, Arm and Metro apps. People are confused enough that they have 2 types, like Apple does.
Re: They got it wrong the first time...
The original tablet PCs were bulky and had an interface suited to mouse and keyboard. The Ipad was a success because it could be used with a finger. With Surface RT MS "examined those factors" and made something thin and light which could be used with a finger. I'll agree on the price though.
App makes sense on Android
On Android the app can appear in the share menu, so it gets integrated into the OS in a way that web apps can't.
There might be less data transfer when using the app, as the navigation, validation and appearance don't need to be downloaded.
Reality distortion field
"Although all ios apps sometimes send unencrypted data, 84% of users consider ios to be more secure than Android"
ios v Android: Less encryption, more analytics, more tracking, more contact and calendar slurping.
Re: So why didn't google make the play store push out system updates?
They weren't seeking control, so they made it open. It was designed right for what its intended use was, and it's up to the OEMs to patch their versions of Android.
Re: Stay away from those third-party apps
Unzip them and check for duplicate file names, then install if you must.
Re: Clue up
Shirley you can't be serious! It looks like you guys actually want your journalists not to understand their subject.
If people thought Surface RT could run windows legacy software then not running that software would not be a problem when it comes to generating sales - there would be returns instead. It's an Ipad competitor (on price, format and position within stores (next to the other tablets) as well as functionality), so not running non-tablet apps is not a problem. I know it's fashionable to hate Microsoft, but when you let the hatred take you outside the bounds of reality it just makes you look ignorant.
In what possible world does this make sense: "This tablet can't run legacy apps so I'll buy an Ipad instead."
Re: $349 just so I can use Internet Explorer?
When everyone wrote for IE MS was the problem. Now they write for Safari and MS is the problem.
Missing the point
Regardless of anything Microsoft has or hasn't done, should a tech journalist think that not being able to run legacy apps is a problem when the device is not designed to run legacy apps? If they thought that advertising it as something which could run legacy apps was the problem (it wasn't advertised that way), they should have written that. To be fair to the editorial team, the standard of reporting of Windows across the whole internet is generally pretty low, so they might not be able to get anyone better. But journalists shouldn't be confused by the tablet OS looking like the desktop OS (just because Apple does it differently, doesn't make MS wrong), and they shouldn't extend the confusion to their readership by calling it a problem when the tablet fails to work as a desktop.
I hope it's not "Joe and Jane Public" writing these articles.
The Register doesn't understand Windows 8 or RT. For example: "Problem is, it cannot run existing Windows apps".
What does it sound like when you criticise other devices because they don't do things they're not supposed to do? The Ipad: "Problem is, it cannot run existing Macintosh apps". What about Android tablets? "Problem is, it cannot run existing Windows, Linux or Macintosh apps". To those who understand, that's what the criticism of RT is like.
The Sony laptop I linked to was from 2004, the Intel design study you mention was actually 2007 (I'm outside the reality distortion field, so don't try that technique). Apple released the Air in 2008.
The Xbox was inspired by the Pipin? Only that? Not the Playstation, N64, Dreamcast etc? In the fanboy world only Apple inspires, and they can even do so after the fact. Props to their marketing guys again.
I do wish Apple fanboys would look around at what other hardware manufacturers are doing, so they can avoid nonsense such as "inspiring the PC market to follow suit". Laptops have been getting thinner since they were first introduced, but on this occasion the Apple copybots were clearly inspired by Sony (who in turn were inspired by Apple's pricing model).
Re: Dream bigger
There's a project in the works for a craft called Bi-Curiosity. It's going to probe Uranus.
Re: How quickly the argument changes...
No, the claim "our OS is super secure" is not attributed to Android. However, every story about Android malware is BS and plays on the fact that you can install malware if you really want to, and grant it permission to send premium rate SMS if you really want to. Some people fall for it, but plenty of Commentards point out that the reported vulnerabilities are massively overstated. Do Not make the mistake that they are claiming it's super secure.
Yes, the vulnerability is useless.
Re: Android, lol
You have to choose to give an app access to your data and access to the internet. On the other side, Google did not choose for the NSA to syphon all the data going to it and other major internet destinations.
The Play Store has been patched. If you choose to side-load something from an untrusted source and grant it permission to send SMS to premium rate numbers then Android will warn you, but not stop you. The vulnerability is useless to criminals - they can defraud you in much better ways.
Re: World's cleverest company states the obvious
The alternative to checking grades seems to be checking experience. So the projects you work on for the first few years of your career can define your entire career, even though it says nothing about capabilities or how you are as an employee. My first projects were on old technologies and didn't involve any difficult algorithms, and so have all my projects since then. But that doesn't mean I'd be no use at google.
Re: So in other words
Snake, if you don't want your data made available to your OS maker then the only choice is Android, which is another reason this investigation is BS. But I suspect you're in a tiny minority.
Re: They missed the obvious
What evidence do you have that Google has prevented Samsung from selling the Windows, Bada and Tizen phones that it sells? Or HTC from selling the Windows phones that it sells? Try using your nous next time.
Re: Google apps optional
They make way fewer non-Android phones because people want Android. Have you ever gone into a phone shop and been told they're out of stock of Windows phones?
Re: So in other words
Consumers didn't choose Windows because it had IE, but it couldn't be sold without it. And, allegedly, couldn't be sold with any alternative.
Consumers choose Android because they want Google services, but you can sell it without if you don't really want anyone to buy your stuff. And you can include your own versions of the apps even if you choose to include Google apps. It's up to the manufacturers.
So the fact that Android usually ships with a set of high quality apps, chosen by the manufacturer, is about as relevant to the Microsoft case as Apple choosing which apps it provides on Iphones. I don't see any cases being made that Apple shouldn't be allowed to do it wants with the devices it sells, even when it was the dominant monopoly.
There were big changes between 2.3 and 4.0. As time moves on Android apps will work on increasingly older devices and devices will be more likely to get updated. It's just the recent 2.3-4.0 gap that makes things look bad at the moment, but even as it stands there are only a few apps that require 4.0.
I got a load of updates on my Gingerbread phone after Google I/O, so I know what you mean. And I don't know what you mean.
Re: Baby steps
@Dave 15 the Nazis used demonisation of a religious minority as well as banning books Let's hope neither happens here.
With the christians coming over here and breeding, converting and forcing their views on impressionable young minds through the education system (like the Nazis did), we pagans have suffered for long enough. It's about time we kicked out this foreign religion or gave another one a go - they can't be any worse.
Re: As I understand it
Maybe they're not expecting people to use the 7" version for remote desktopping. Feck knows what they're expecting it to be used for though. The only reason to get one is if you have some paid apps on your large Windows machine and want to use them on a smaller one too, otherwise just get something more established like a Nexus 7. Regarding that type of lock-in, I look forward to the day when all apps are free, available on all devices and HTML 5, and we pay for the use of the services they offer. I doubt it will happen, but it should.
Re: As I understand it
That makes a lot of sense, but I've not seen it mentioned in the adverts. All I know is that the keyboard makes a nice clicky noise when it attaches.
It might have sold a few more if it had better integration with Kin.
Re: @Craigness - Available now
You don't have to give praise, but when you complain about having free stuff you just sound like a loser.
I'm on Google plus and youtube; I made my favourites and likes private, and I never send out a "i watched this video" status. If you don't want to use stuff don't use it.
They didn't harvest contact lists with buzz, they gave people the option to connect with people they already had in their contact lists, and gave people the option to make their connections public, as per facebook and twitter and linked in and everything else. I opted to do neither and therefore have not had to complain about privacy invasions. Other people opted in and still complain that they opted in.
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