5 years is a long time
5 years to rebuild customer confidence? Starting from what is now a very low base? I wonder who will remember this prediction five years from now. I'll believe it when I see it.
108 posts • joined 15 Feb 2010
5 years to rebuild customer confidence? Starting from what is now a very low base? I wonder who will remember this prediction five years from now. I'll believe it when I see it.
"But Windows 10 is bad for your privacy, and it is damaging Microsoft’s reputation as a trusted consumer brand."
Trusted consumer brand? MS seem to pay lip service to being "trustworthy", but their behaviour shouts out loud that they don't give a toss. This has to be a deliberate policy since (mostly) nothing they have done in the last 30 years suggests that they are really that incompetent.
I have not deployed anything made by Microsoft in over six years, and I don't miss them one bit.
About two months ago I posted a comment here noting that Win 10 updates reset my privacy settings to default. This was passed off at the time as "an oversight" by MS. Clearly it has happened again. How many "oversights" must we be exposed to before it dawns on people that MS do not intend to let you have any privacy at all? Data slurping IS the name of the business, and nothing must be allowed to hinder it. I have zero trust in Microsoft.
I tried Win 10 out of idle curiosity. I will certainly not be using it in the real world. The test machine no longer exists, and I am posting this from my primary Linux desktop.
Don't wait until October 2016. Start to implement your Linux solution NOW, and October 31st will pass unnoticed - by you at least.
Mint 17 does the job perfectly well right now. Add VirtualBox and a valid copy of Win 7 if there is old Win stuff you want to keep running - but keep it off the internet as MS will try to screw with it. Run all internet stuff through the Linux host and keep the virtual system clean.
We're doing it. It works. Nuff said.
The Civil Servants who draft legislation in the first place are primarily lawyers, and very few have any sort of scientific or technical training. And to be fair, they are no better than the rest of us at foreseeing the future. Add to this the volume of legislation that MPs have to deliberate on (Look up what is in place and coming through on http://www.legislation.gov.uk), and you will quickly see that an MP who did nothing but read draft legislation, full time, could only cover about 10% of it. They do have other things to do.
So the MPs rely on the advice of Ministers, who of course have an agenda when introducing new legislation. "Yes Minister" paints a disturbingly accurate picture. I don't know what the answer is, but my advice is to try to read what is relevant, and watch your backs.
You make it sound as though gaming is the only game in town. It is not. For those of us who actually have to work for a living, a modern Linux distro, based on a solid Linux kernel, is an entirely viable proposition. In fact for system modelling and high end graphics, it has been our OS of choice for the last 7 or 8 years. OsX is a sort of OK second choice, with Windows barely even in the frame.
Forgive me, but shit, when thrown at a rotating fan, does not usually STICK. It is instantly, albeit democratically, distributed.
Or are you arguing that MS produce a particularly sticky and difficult-to-get-rid-of type of shit?
There seems to be more than a faint whiff of panic coming from Microsoft. I can easily (even at home) lay my hands on a couple of old (Windows ME, one of them, if I can remember where it is) laptops and two more desktops. I'm sure I am not alone. But I'll be damned if I would waste £400 on anything made by Microsoft.
I'd love to put £400 towards a new Linux machine - you could get a quite decent Linux homebuild with that budget - but as for trying to clean up and convert an ex Win 10 machine, no thanks.
I installed Win 10 on an old (2 yrs) laptop, and "cleaned up" my privacy by pretty much reversing all the default settings. This included hiding KB 3035583. Imagine my surprise when, after a "security update", I found that all my preferences had been reset to Win 10's out-of-the-box defaults. Hidden or not, 3035583 had re-installed itself.
Doubtless MS will claim me as yet another successful convert to Win 10. The laptop now runs Mint 17, and I will not trust, or use anything made by Microsoft, ever again. EVER
Basically nothing more than a strategy to hype Win 10 "adoption" figures. Bet they don't report how many regrade back to Win 7, or ditch the OS for an alternative.
"Just yesterday I installed 10 on brand new box. I cleaned it up/silenced it and then I realized that this system not only has little to offer to me but since I can't trust it I really have no use for it."
I have also tried a test Win 10 install, overwriting Win 7 Pro on a redundant (Dell Latitude) laptop. I also cleaned up and reset the defaults to give me as much privacy / security as possible. Result? A not very good Win 7 install, as far as I could see, and nothing to make me want to switch back from Linux to MS.
HOWEVER, while I was trying it out, a slew of MS "security updates" came through and installed themselves. To my astonishment, I found that the updates had reset all my privacy settings to the system defaults, overwriting my preferences - presumably this constitutes MS's idea of security, though it is certainly not mine. A quick trawl of the net suggests that I'm not the only one to have this happen, or that this behaviour is some peculiar property of the old laptop I was using. Who the hell could ever trust a manufacturer who can do that to you?
The HD has been reformatted and the laptop now runs Mint 17 as a spare PC for one of the kids at Uni. End of story.
Microsoft seem to have an endless supply of "last straws". It is painfully obvious that they can no longer be relied upon to provide products which are fit for use, and that they cannot be trusted with user's data. Their remaining customers must be getting close to despair.
I don't have a problem with any of this, because I abandoned MS completely about six years ago. But even from the standpoint of an outside observer, MS's behaviour beggars belief.
I have worked with US legal types in an EU / UK context. They are mostly dumbfounded to discover that US law does not apply outside of the US, having been brought up to think that their writ runs world wide. Some of them persist in believing this, even in the face of clear evidence to the contrary ... which, sadly, might well serve as a definition of a lawyer.
I'll come quietly.....
Yet another reason to stick with Linux .......
Well yes, perhaps. Probably, even.
But look on the bright side. Over the last few years they have at least demonstrated stunning consistency.....
Nice one, Chemist!
Linux is plenty powerful enough to run a heavyweight desktop, and is often much faster than Win 7 - 8 - 10 etc.. It (Mint, in my case) is vastly easier to keep up to date and maintain - certainly when compared to the agonising Windoze update process. Being open source, it is also free from all the (government - dare I say that?) spyware that is foisted onto you with Win 10, and is apparently now to be retrospectively loaded onto Win 7 and 8 machines as well.
My absolutely ungeek wife and family all use Linux desktops, for some pretty demanding academic and community based projects, - and all the usual stuff as well - without even thinking to ask what OS they are using. And they certainly don't know what Terminal is for. Way back when, I certainly made much more use of Command Line in Windows than I have ever had to use Terminal in Linux.
In passing, I set up a Win 10 system on an old pc, just out of curiosity. I was horrified to discover that, having turned most everything off and gone for maximum security, more or less the first MS "security" update I got reset half the settings back to "spy by default".
Linux desktop? Damn sight better than a Microsoft one!
True. Ghostery also blocks the stats from the machine I am posting from - including the fact that it runs Linux. I wonder what the real truth is?
Really? What you have actually DONE may soon be irrelevant. I suggest you update your views by reading Orwell's 1984.
From what I can see so far, Win 10 is basically a decent OS, UNTIL you take privacy and data collection into account. With some effort you can disable most of the objectionable settings, but in doing so you significantly cripple many of the "features" that make the OS attractive. I can see why it is "free", but not even I want to sign up to a free system only to have to cripple it in order to use it safely.
I'll keep a copy of Win 7 alive in VirtualBox on my work Linux machine, but that's about as close to MS as I am willing to get. Oh, and it has no internet access, ever, unless I decide to download some useful update.
1 HMG (dinosaur No. 1) makes a mess of legislation concerning what is now essentially an IT/technology related problem. No surprises here then.
2 The music industry (dinosaur No. 2) has a sales and marketing model largely unchanged from the days of vinyl, and appears unable to realise that the outside world has left them far behind. In spite of the arrival - and departure - of the tape recorder, they still have not grasped the need to change. Since tape, copying has always been easy and is most likely to remain so.
3 Innovative groups and artists (today's velociraptors?) are now publishing their own material directly, bypassing the "traditional" channels. This recognises the reality of copying and accounts for it from the get go. And is bad news for big music.
I suspect that by the time/if the two dinosaurs actually do reach agreement (geological time, perhaps?), the copyright question will probably have ceased to be relevant, and everyone else will have simply moved on.
1 Win 10 will be the last windows version ever
2 Win 10 dies in October 2025
3 Microsoft dies in October 2025? Is that really what they mean?
One can but hope.....
"Less people use BSD, OSX and Linux on the desktop than use Windows Phone so they must be totally irrelevant."
The key phrase is "on the desktop". Even given that this questionable claim might just be true, the plain fact is that while Microsoft may own (some, a lot, most of?) the office desktop, they have no presence anywhere else. If taking a $7.6 billion write-down on Nokia demonstrates their strength in mobile, heaven knows what that tells us about the rest of the business.
Correct me if I am wrong, but did not MS only want to get into mobile in the first place because they foresaw the demise of the "irrelevant" desktop? Maybe MacroRodent has a point.....
You are right - Wine supports only a few Win programs really well, though it is brilliant for lots of useful little Win desktop applets. However Codeweaver's Crossover Pro (think of it as Wine on steroids) does an excellent job of supporting masses of Win software, including many games. It's not free, but it is well worth the price.
Speaking as someone who has lived in a Linux world for years, but still likes to play some of the old Windows games.
Does it greatly matter?
We seem to be at a position now where you can do whatever you want to do using any of the three major OSs out there. Your choice will be based on various factors such as how open or closed each OS is, stability, ease of maintenance and support, lease or own outright, total cost of ownership over time etc.. To be sure, both Apple and MS would like to convince you that their OS is the only possible choice but, like competing religions, they will both be wrong and will collect their faithful accordingly.
I am not a Linux "fanboi" - I am a Linux user. I am a user because, right now, Linux ticks more of the boxes than the other two - it is that simple.
Of course they no longer use the odious stack ranking system, or rather they don't actually call it that any more .... However, according to one Microsoftie I know, the principle is still alive and well in the HR system. Learning from experience seems to equate to heresy in Microsoft's HR speak.
I'll get my coat now.....
I'm going to scrape together some spare components and build myself a test PC. I will load a legitimate copy of Win 7, and let it "auto update" to Win 10. By all accounts, this ought to get me on to the "free for life Win 10 as a service" package. I'm then going to start messing about by adding a second HD, changing memory, graphics cards, software etc.. and see just how long it lasts before it borks.
My guess is not very long at all, and that the "supported device" that MS have in mind is the one that came with Win 10 pre-installed - perhaps ideally a Surface where you can't change anything anyway, or even repair it when it breaks. My fear is that Win 10 will recognise the device on which it is first installed, but not the "new" device created by changing or upgrading hardware.
If I am right, and upgraded devices become unsupported fairly quickly, then users will have to go out and buy a new one, with a distinctly un-free copy of Win 10. Shock - horror - surprise!
Let's wait and see. In the meantime, my working environment will continue to be Linux, and I really cannot see anything coming out of MS that would ever make me want to go back.
Who turned up the volume ... in the Microsoft echo chamber?
Back in the days when I worked for a very large company, we would have sent for the men with a white van and straightjackets if our CEO had come out with stuff like this. It has no concrete content at all, and it smacks more of desperation than motivation. Can this really reflect the mindset of the inward looking prisoners inside the big echo box?
Without attempting to assign probabilities to the list below, this task being quite beyond me, either :-
1 The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing, or,
2 There is no coherent internal policy, or,
3 There is more than policy, and they are arguing about it in public, or,
4 They are rethinking the "free" policy for 7 and 8 users and want to introduce charges, or,
5 The policy is obfuscation, but they don't want you to know that, or,
6 They actually do have a policy, but they want to be certain that no one knows what it is, including their own people, or,
7 They have simply lost the plot.
Small wonder no one trusts MS or believes anything they say. I am just profoundly grateful that none of my IT requirements (or my future) depend on anything sold by Microsoft.
This is surely the key point. Windows OS has - or at least had for many years - cornered the desktop market. It has no significant presence on mainframes or on mobile devices. It does not scale well enough to do the former, and MS seem to have missed the boat on mobile.
Linux / Unix runs almost all the world's supercomputers, it provides an excellent desktop OS, and of course it powers the mobile world through Android. This is exactly the "one OS to rule them all" which MS aspire to, but are a very long way from delivering. Apple's OS is also based on Unix, which is why Linux software ports so easily to Apple machines. This is one reason why Apple is ubiquitous in the scientific community, who tend to write / use Linux software. See recent El Reg article on this.
With the much touted demise of the desktop on the horizon, small wonder Microsoft have an interest in Linux but, as with mobile, it is also probably too late. The rest of us have moved on.
Interesting. I switched to Linux some six(?) years ago - pushed by Vista - and have stayed there. While Win 7 is frankly pretty good, a hard look at Win 8 and a brief glance at 10 have convinced me that I really am better off staying with Linux. For the rare occasion when I need to use old Win software, VirtualBox and an old copy of XP or 7 (internet access and updates turned OFF) do the job perfectly well. Mint 17 LTS wins hands down, and once you have experienced the incredibly slick Linux update procedure, compared to the grinding pain of Win updates with nags and reboots etc, well.....
No you're not - age gives you experience, perspective and judgement. Which is why you you followed the path you did.
I abandoned MS when Vista came along. Ubuntu (V 8, maybe?) was better, but only just, and was quite hard work. Now, Mint 17 LTS is a joy to live with, and I shudder whenever I am asked to fix a windows machine - knowing that I have hours of slow pain ahead of me. I cannot conceive of ever going back to MS for an operating system.
P.S. I am "retired", sort of, and 71
So the tax man doesn't want to pay the Microsoft tax. Can hardly blame them for that. I'm just wondering whether the US Office of Personnel Management also keep - kept - their data "securely" in the cloud?
No. Not yet. Maybe 5 years? But the trend is now discernible.
I've done exactly the same thing here. Host is Mint 17, VM is VirtualBox, guest OS's are XP (games not supported through Steam or GoG) and Win7 (a couple of older graphics / CAD type packages). Linux for everything else. VMs have direct internet access completely disabled, and when necessary communicate by passing data through the host. Guest system updates are now irrelevant since they are almost always security updates anyway, and once isolated a stable guest system will run smoothly ad infinitum.
Win 10 may indeed be the best thing since sliced cheese, but it is worth remembering that almost all sliced cheese is bargain basement rubbish, so "best thing since" hardly represents an improvement to want to eat, let alone get excited about.
I might as well be unpopular too. HPLIP (HP Linux Printing system) works just fine with a large number of HP printers.
Eventually come round? NO. Just walk away.
Clearly MS have lost their way, and are jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof looking for solutions to their problems. Trouble is, developers and customers are now looking elsewhere for their future technologies and income, and MS no longer even figures in their thinking. Analysts and the financial press seem to be agreed that MS is in serious decline, with the only real debating point being how long will it take.
Could have been so different, but hubris and deliberate deafness are a lethal combination.
If it really does what it says on the tin, then I will be upgrading as soon as it is stable. While I live and work in an almost totally Linux world, I still need to keep a toe in MS waters to deal with associates who still live there. VMs are essential tools for this. VirtualBox is my preferred software for doing it.
Drag and drop / cut and paste between OSs in VirtualBox can be very hit and miss at present and, while there are workarounds, they take time. Any improvement to this basic process will be very welcome. Also 3D acceleration which, although it is available as a setup option, can also be a bit iffy in practice.
The other enhanced capabilities look good too... Let's have it as soon as possible.
Once you had picked your film and loaded it (i.e. set the ISO in stone), the only other exposure control options you had were shutter speed and aperture. You learned to understand what Exposure Value meant, and how it influenced the final image.
In spite of the enormous computerised complexity of modern digital cameras, this is still essentially all these program modes do. And in doing so, they distance you from what is essentially quite a simple but fundamental decision - once you have decided what sort of image you want.
Although I own a mid range DSLR - and yes, I do use full auto at times - I revert to manual mode in anything I recognise as a difficult or "non average" scene, and choose my own aperture and exposure time. Or when I want to produce a specific exposure effect.
That said, one undeniable advantage of digital is the instant result, which (mostly) allows for immediate adjustment of an unsatisfactory exposure. Ansel Adams and Cartier Bresson could never do that, and they still managed to get outstanding results by fully understanding the basics. I still have my old Canon F1 and lenses, and I won't be throwing them away for a very long time.
Upvoted from a Linux system.
Got it in one, Chozo! Greeks and Trojan Horses all over again. Win 10 for free in the first year, and once we've got you all on legit copies, you ALL have to pay a sub to keep it going (I suspect). What kind of free is that?
You could enjoy even more update boredom by going Linux, where updates just happen - quietly and without drama. How boring!
Not only does Linux (I'm writing from a Mint 17 desktop) recognise and support recent peripehrals, but it will also support older kit such as my Canon LIDE20 scanner, long since abandoned by Microsoft and not supported since XP, but still a perfectly good scanner. Why should I have to rush out and buy new kit every time MS "upgrades"? (OK. That was a REALLY stupid question.)
It is also worth noting how many major manufacturers, e.g. HP, Canon, Epson etc., are now providing Linux drivers for their devices. Why would they bother doing that if they did not see a future in a Linux environment?
While it would be silly to argue that the world is not going small screen and portable - because it is - this does not mean the end of the desktop, or it's close cousin the large screen laptop . The desktop remains the place where almost all productive work is done, such as CAD, architecture, large scale mapping, process control - just to name a few. None of these tasks work on your mobile or tablet. Do you really want to fly on an aeroplane designed by someone shuffling parts about with their fingers and thumbs on a screen the size of a mobile phone.........
However, since MS appear determined to abandon the desktop, the way is open to Linux to underpin what may be a small(ish) but still critical sector. Which is why I use it (Mint 17) for my workstation.
The next couple of years will be interesting.
Small screens for consumers, large screens for producers.
I appreciate that I'm comming into this one very late, and that the point may already have been made.
A lot of commentards questions and speculation here, but no real answers. MS's true intentions and plans will only be clear once we can read the Win 10 EULA. A quick search of the UK MS site a few minutes ago for "Windows 10 eula" draws a blank. If they have not yet published an eula, they may still be trying to decide what they really mean by "free", "for the lifetime of the device" etc..
The only thing I'm willing to bet on is that, when we do finally find out, it will not be what anyone was either expecting or hoping for.
Looks like the lion's got the tiger by the tail. Bets as to who might win?
Libre Office for Mac. No subscription required, no MS tax to pay, no ongoing financial commitment. Nothing else to say.
That'll be Mint 17 with 5 years of free Long Term Support - compare with MS "we will 'upgrade' everything annually, or more often if we want the money, for a fee which we will decide on at the time, whether you want us to or not". With Linux I can change or upgrade any of my hardware, whenever, without crashing the system. Tough decision.
And yes, it is simple to run an older Win version in a virtual machine if you want to.
A PC is a tool which I use to do productive work. My choice of OS (Mint 17) is determined by what enables me to do the most work for the least effort and cost.
Vista pushed us down the Linux road (about 6 years ago), and nothing MS has produced since has caused us to rethink that decision for even a moment.
MEMO:- Discuss future options with your accountant / CFO before upgrade decision.