462 posts • joined Friday 22nd January 2010 13:53 GMT
Re: testing your Java oh so thoroughly.
You trying to imply that David doesn't follow industry standard practice? Just because the author or this article appears to have only ever had dealings with software that is seems to have been developed by teams with significant QA issues doesn't mean he does.
They are selling them now thinking they won't be able to when they are banned.
Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. thank some deity I don't live in the US, otherwise I'd just be embarrassed., how is this different to Patent US7966578 that apple filed and should never have been granted. the idea of something having a meaning in a context is so f****ng obvious I'd be likely to try and award charges against the plaintive if I was on the jury, regardless of instructions.
How on earth is it possible to patent an html link, linking to a document just because the link is not presented in a web browser, that is the definition of a hyperlink in a hypertext document. Can you imagine how TBL must feel, actually I know exactly how he feels along with the majority on here. What next, patenting round corners? what that failed? Maybe bevels should be patented? Hm, are bevels not just rounded, but chambered corners, i.e. a discontinuous form of a corner tending towards a rounded shape if you were to smooth it out? Glad I never thought of the idea of smoothing something out to save discomfort. Oops sorry, my other business has been doing this on wood furniture for a while, must grab things like a dovetail connector shape for devices in case NFC doesn't take off.
Re: Only an American court would rule in Apple's favour
Only an American court did!
Re: Hugely insulting?
nah, if they they were daft enough to buy a samsung device by mistake they are samsung users, not apple users
Re: some sort of licensing deal
As hell frozen over, looks sunny outside here for a change
Could be some reluctance
Seems like the latest java update for 1.7 on windows also wants to uninstall any 1.6 installation installed. I'm guessing this was some bright sparks idea at oracle to try and get the 1.7 migration going. This is going to really discourage people when a fix is released.
Re: All this and the Open Source community...
Spot on Ian. Also, if a commercial shop closed development on the software and you rely on it you are stuffed. With an open sourced one you can probably find someone to fix any bugs or new features if you are willing to pay. I've been in that boat before, both as requiring support and offering.
Re: How to solve the Assange problem
Pu your coat back on, best solution going, though I'd just get an undercover policeman to sit around the corner in a taxi, when he comes out causally drive past and bobs you uncle (actually, bob is my uncle, find your own)
Re: hidden agenda
The simplest and most obvious is usually the reason for things. Things I've read online certainly imply some rather flaky claims. If that is true and I was him I'd want to clear by name asap, I wouldn't be able to stand the thought of anyone thinking I could do something like that.
All this posturing smacks of either desperation or egotism, I for one am tired of him been plastered on the tv, especially when he delays a speech for hours. Was he held up in traffic maybe or just trying to create some sense of drama. Personally I think he was getting off listening to the letters of support.
But to think that the UK or Sweden are going to publicly pack him off to the US or turn a blind eye while he magically disappears and turns up in the us is frankly ludicrous.
Re: Samsung Patents were SEPs / Frand
Doomed to repeat the same posts over and over again. Yes, they are frand but apple still must license them, Apple have refused to negotiate when samsung made them an offer, they spat their dummy out and made no attempt to resolve the issue. Instead they took samsung to court for infringing their none frand "patents". Ignoring the whole hypocrisy of it there is no doubt they need a license for samsungs patents, they opposite is what they need to prove in various courts of law.
From what I'm aware of Apple have made no real attempt to get a license, but are claiming as a defence that they could not get a fair price, they should have took legal action to get a fair price IMHO, I'd be incredibly vary of releasing something that was not licensed. Imaging me selling PCs/Macs without legit copies of software on them because I thought the price was too high (ok not a perfect analogy). Just because they frand does not allow a company to use something without paying, get a grip and negotiate, so seriously expect everyone to believe that no one in Apple is capable of doing that? Personally I think if they had just paid samsung that their case would have looked so much better for them, they would have looked a lot more mature than the childish behaviour they are exhibiting.
I've still not found any information about who samsung have licensed to and for how much so can't comment on how fair or excessive 2.5% is. However I really doubt they charge everyone the same %, that would be crazy, a fixed price per unit or multiple of yeah and then work out what percentage of the device that is. However without knowing the details of other license fees I can only speculate as I'm sure most people on here seem to. I'd love to know the details if they are out there somewhere.
> How can anyone guess your first pet?
No need to guess, trivial to find out pretty much anything about some people, just ask them. Create a website that promises the earth but requires free registration, collect that data and assuming you can drive a particular person or random people to register you will end up with email addresses, DOB, a password that will have a 90% probability of being a password they use on everything, including their email password from which you could get pretty much anything. True many times you'd end up with a lot of false information but there is no doubt you'd pull some valid info too.
Personally I use a mail alias for everything I sign up for, never use my real details apart from essentials and everything has a separate password but for stuff I don't care about it is something be derived from.
Wish I could up vote you more, I'm sick of hearing him distort reality to make it sound like is stand is a noble one, there is no legal reason Sweden would extradite him, if there was we'd probably have been obliged to do so too. If the charges are as weak as people say he'll be free pretty quickly and this has all been a publicity stunt. Or if found guilty we won't have to hear from him for years.
Cheers for that, absolutely marvelous. I had to add "Space People" to find it (maybe google have these forums plugged into the page ranking algorithms). Never came across the aetherius society before, looks like scientology but with the suggestion that they have not had their sense of humour removed.
Re: NOT 12345
Nothing like a bluff to confuse everyone, shame the hint isn't displayed when there is just one more attempt before your account is disabled, you can just imagine some would be hacker trying to figure out if you are thick/irreverent, bluffing, double bluffing, triple bluffing ....
Re: All browsers are already good enough
@Sean: It is an excellent fit for many enterprise applications, for those that aren't then use something else. And a trend likely to continue for a fair while yet.
Re: Penetration Engineers
Sounds good, next time they do this for a bank get them to give me a shout, if you get caught you get your get out of jail card otherwise just slope off quietly.
Re: Or quorn
Why would anyone want quorn :-( I'd rather eat paper mache covered in the most disgusting substance known to man (marmite of course).
Re: Kings Cross
The underground station is St. Pancras. The train station it's self is not very hard to find your way around though.
Re: Spot the extremely obvious problem..
Is that not covered by the part "will be recognised experts at discovering and prioritising subtle, unusual, and emergent security flaws"?
Re: All browsers are already good enough
You'd be surprised the demands full featured web apps can place on a browser. There is a lot of enterprise applications that better performance can have a great affect on. These people are doing a lot more than filling a shopping basket, they may have maps that are being updated, performing data analysis which requires instant access to lots of data or integrated collabaration tools to give a few examples. Plus, some of these apps need to work offline, so work can't always be bundled off to the server.
Better performance doesn't just make current stuff work better but makes new functionality possible.
Re: This is getting silly
Eh, you saying that the other company have no right to this because their social network functionality is so lacking in functionality it it only makes sense when used in facebook?
Re: Win Win for everyone
This is exactly what Samsung should have done ages ago. They should never have waited until apple took them to court before they upped the ante for apples failure to license their patents (yes I know they are frand but they still need to be licensed). Motorola and apple have been at logger heads for ages, predating google's aquisition by far and Googles really need to be seen doing something about the uncertainty of android,
Hopefully something will come out of this that provides some stability to the android ecosystem rather than just motorola. Maybe one or two conflicts like this between huge companies is what is required to either force everyone to cross license or get the US government to address the mess. It's helping nobody but lawyers, who probably don't spend most the cash and just dump their money into some tax saving scheme.
Re: what was the point in having the trial
IMHO you hit the nail right on the head. If this farce was giving the go ahead the evidence should have been allowed, I know samsung were late but without it if they lose this has got to be great grounds for an appeal. Course, I don't know the law and not sure if it can even be allowed in an appeal.
I'm pretty sure Apple wil continue to rule the tablet roost for a while yet. I think a large part of the success in the tablet area shown by apple is down to consumer confidence. There have been a large number of cheap android devices which have been appalling and put quite a lot of people off . We are however seeing some pretty impressive devices nowadays, for just less than £200 nowadays you can get something that is on par with the ipad2 but with extra features. For me the only compelling aspect of the latest ipad is the resolution of the screen.
Also, many of the cheaper android tablets still require some mucking around to say get the play store on there or upgrade to a recent OS, reminds me a lot like linux years back, maybe if google made it easier for smaller companies to pre-install the play store things would improve Also, I think this is an area where the choice is too confusing for your average consumer, with phones they see their mates or family with them and it's not uncommon to have a stranger strike up a conversation about your phone, see someone with a tablet and most likely they are reading/watching a film and not going to like being disturbed.
Re: release a security fix version of flash frequently
Eh, would that not be a good thing? Compared to the number of other bits of software I update often, such as safari, chrome or firefox that pretty much always have some feature in.
Don't get me wrong, I hate flash but really don't see why it gets as much bashing as it does for crashing/performance, is it really worse than your average piece of software, just more noticed beacuse of it's prevalence?
Re: Wasn't this
It was certainly one thing that was often cited, but the world has finally come round. Many websites that used flash to provide content have ditched it or at least moving away from it, so is pretty much bordering on insignificant.
Re: Android phones are cheap, Apple phones are not
Some are, some aren't. Top end android phones cost more than iphones. It's like anything, you get what you pay for. But with an android device you get more choice.
Re: 2.25% of the retail price
Like you say, no one else is paying that percentage. But that is a percentage (true a high one) for this particular device. A 3G phone on a plane is obviously an insignificant part of the plane functions. If you made the simplest of phones and banged it out at £10 then I'd guess a fair percentage would work out higher than 2.25%
Re: We can all agree on that?
> Apple offered Samsung a licensing deal, Samsung ignored it/wouldn't negotiate so they got sued. We can all agree on that?
I think you will find Samsung do not believe there is anything to negotiate. How about you give me £10000, we could negotiate if you think that is too much. Apple on the other hand dismissed Samsungs initial offer with nothing but a court case for a license that covers patents that Apple use in their devices.
This could only happen in the US. When they tried their ludicrous design copying strategy in the UK the court threw it out of court made them apologise to Samsung, can't wait until the appeal is over, looking forward to reading their apology in the press and on their uk website.
Apples innovation is more than I thought
Page 25 "Since even the feature phones rely on apple innovations, e.g. java processors and the smart phones relies on Modern OS"
So not only do they claim they innovated rounded corners, now they adding java, cpus and operating systems to their list. Hope this is a poor translation.
Fair enough, but does this work out cheaper when you have to pay a % per device rather than a one off development cost? Latest phones Ive had pass over my desk all use MTP, can't just mount them.
Re: Fundroid commentards are funny
No, I didn't read the whole document, only enough to get a gist of the content. I'm afraid some editting I made on my post remvoed me suggesting the op do similar. Hard to believe I did edit that but I've been ill in bed all week near deaths door with man flu.
As for half in korean, that is true, of the document as a whole. But you do release the first half is an english translation and the second half is the original korean?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but just pluging your phone into a computer does not give direct access to the files sytem. Why would it matter what FS was physically in use, as long as the attached device implements the usb mass storage protocol or (as is the current trend) the media transfer protocol then the accessing operating system doesn't need a ext3 or whatever driver.
Surely the only reason for exFAT or one of the other MS-FAT FS is for taking a memory card out of the phone and accessing it directly. How many average consumers do that?
Re: Fundroid commentards are funny
Just you re-read the article and comments, and maybe the a document in question. You appear to have concluded that it contains evidence that samsung have clearly doen soemthing illeagal, say like use a patent without license.
This document, along with apples experts is nothing but spin they are trying to masquerade as evidence.
Re: Question the data
> Yet talk to developers, and you'll commonly hear that android only provides about 20% of their income, compared to 80% for iOS.
That is very true for app store/google purchases. However there is also a large demand for buisness apps which never go anywhere near the stores, in my experience android is by far the biggest earner. Consider a say a warehousing app for a tablet or a team of field engineers, don't have to be anything flash
> There has to be some explanation for that, and I do think it's because a lot of people buy an android device to replace their old feature phone, and use it in pretty much the same way.
Very true. My own wife is now on her third android phone, never used the play store and after two months I heard her mention it wasn't as good as her previous one and it didn't even have netflix (previously I loaded everything I thought she'd want). Now she knows the store is there she had a quick look and never touched it again. She also never used teh app store on her iphone.
Re: *If* I can download to multiple devices, what's the problem?
Yeah, you can do that. But what about when the developer pulls the software from google play? What about when they upgrade the software and make a mess of it so you end up with somethng that doesn't work or just plain buggy? I've had both of these happen to me.
Without backups you are up sh*t creak, I find it so hard on here to beleive anyone on here would ever think it's ok not to be able to back anything up.
Sure there are budget android phones out there, there are also android devices that are technically superior and more expensive. This is something people have with android, a choice, they are not restricted to a couple of models. I own plenty of apple products and plenty of products from other companies, each have plus and down points.
And yes, the fact that apple have got a some devices banned that are popular in other has affected sales. Apple are using these to destroy the image people have of other companies. At least in the UK they were forced to publish ads pointing out that they were wrong about the ridiculous design claims against Samsung.
Re: choosing an all American jury
Can courts n the US drag in tourists of the street to do jury service?
Re: Would you take that kind of nonsense from your mechanic?
How do you think they refer to their clients when they are not there? Say in th epub on some car related forum.
Re: a politician in Greece
Love it. Can we make this the register standard monetary unit please.
Re: most Linux distros include libdvdcss
Eh, no they don't. Only popular one I'm aware of is Mint. Most the big hitters, e.g. Fedora, Suse, Debian, Ubuntu or Redhat don't. At least without manually selecting additional repositories to install software from.
added to Greenpeace's Save The Arctic petition page
And thereby pretty much invalidated the petition.
Re: Your idea of liberty strikes me as curious indeed
Quite right, you tell 'em. Course what about those who can't afford firearms? Maybe if you gave the poorest people guns they might have been able to shoot it out with the gretna police when Katrina hit.
Always got the impression that liberty in American English was one of those words that meant something different, must remember not to ask an american if he want's to nip out for a fag again.
Re: flit off to Thailand
Eh, do you really think that that is legal over there?
Maybe a better example would have been something less controversial, like smoking dope in the netherlands?
Re: I know Reds don't care to hear it
Always amuses me when I hear americans talk about Reds, don't know why, just sounds quaint and you just know you are likely to read/hear some classic quirp on what the general american population considers to be the evil known as communism.
Course I am assuming that you weren't referring to some utlra Liberalist 'Football' team who wear red jerseys.
android ... simply stretch their small smartphone GUIs
I know this was only a small part of your post but felt inclined to comment.
While there are certainly apps that do this, this is not an android issue, only a developer one. Even Steve Jobs didn't think much of ios developers capabilities/attitudes "developers aren't going to deal real well with all these different-size products", which I took to mean people are just going to stretch their UIs too.
Both android and iOS have plenty of features to support mutli size UIs, and not just resizing bits, but providing completely GUIs for different sizes (although for an app with a truely dynamic UI I'd much prefer to develop for android). This is not just a mobile issue. On desktop apps how many people have struggled with fixed sized dialogs (I'm looking at you here microsoft), or information overload on small screens.
There is no reason at all the same app can not target multple devices based on screen size alone*. Any deficiencies in the apps user experience are the designers/developers. * Ok, there are some applications, but assuming the device is large enough to be practical, which I guess was SJ's main point.