255 posts • joined Wednesday 20th January 2010 16:11 GMT
Flash is the way to go
Our SAP image is plenty small enough to put into all flash. The real big db is in our data warehouse....err sorry its called "Big Data System" now.
The DL980 is two four socket boxes tied together with two glue chips. The problem is the I/O is tied to the processors so it is unbearable to get from one processor thru the glue chip to the other processor then finally out to the network.
Will be interesting to see when HP actually gets this system out the door. ivy wont be until 4q at the earliest and HP never does anything before OCT 31st so many 1Q '14 or will this be like Integrity schedules which never had ny integrity and after being 3 months late HP would finally admit that it will be another year before they come out....i.e. Tukwila it was not ddr3 that held up product for 18 months.
Cheers...off to cancun again this weekend....I need summer after moving to NY.
Re: Licenses 'sold'.
i am supprised there are only 238 comments about this debacle. I saw it before win8 came out....let's get rid of the start button...oh the only thing that is central to windows the only reason i installed it was because you could get $15 licenses and free up some win7 licenses then change it to start at desktop and install a start program....my money was only to get more win7 disguised as win8
Re: Allison Park Mikel Storm clouds
not really a dodge.... just a bigger picture view.
Lenovo has done very well. I never viewed IBM as a consumer company. From looking at their acquisitions and divestitures it sure looks like they want to get out of commodity (hard drives, point of sale) and retain high value. I would not view this as a hardware general issue and I think they make higher margins on hw than services but sw eclipses all.
should be interesting either way i think customers are happy with ibm and lenovo can't say the same for my friends watching the HP ship burn
I think every major vendor will adopt the Oracle model. Dump "commodity" give all profit to Intel and move into premium high value systems which give less importance to intel / power / sparc
lenovo seems like the right choice but you never know about samsung, fujitsu or hitachi
Re: Because you came here to troll.
how much is the toll for your bridge?
If Larry really had a higher performance core he would not feel the need to have a handicap core factor of a half a license per core.......but then again its about more cores not more performance.
I hear the MTBF of those Sun nodes is about 2.5 years which is the #2 reason we have steered cleard of exa-xxx. The number one reason is they are exa-expensive and the single vendor lock-in is with the worst IT vendor out there as far as price and terms.
cheers to my ex-sun co worlkers
I didn't know ZFS couldn't be clustered. Crazy we dont use it as we prefer storage from EMC/IBM/Netapp
Pure data for transactions
We are looking at the Pure data for transactions solutions. Our company has parallel sysplex on the mainframe and have been looking to implement that in the Unix environment, but given the effort to implement a pre-integrated systems would be perfect. Interestingly, the name for the technology on Power was called PureScale. Looks like they used the Pure name for everything but have abandoned the term purescale. It will take forever but we are looking to dump oracle RAC.
Re: Re Alli Spin
Thanks for the explanation, curious if there will ever be a 22nm chip. Intel said kitson will not be for two years that makes it 2015 and I think the agreement was only till 2017 in making the chips. But I am sure Intel could make enough chips for 10 years in their fab in one week since there is not that much supply.
This is the obvious result of Intel moving all of the Itanium engineers to xeon in 2011.
Shocking that intel will not simply move the poulson chip onto 22nm and put a larger cache on it.
How hard could that be, but its all about money. Intel wants more money from HP and HP does not have any money, so that make processors thru 2017 will be just poulsons.
And the end of the story is now.
Will be interesting to see how the new pricing effects the product line. We have standardized on the p770 for all of our data intensive workloads. We have some of our websphere on the 770's but the majority of it (non-ecommerce) is on intel. If the price is right we will move to Power entry for our application systems. The reliability and certainly the IBM software pricing is advantages Power.
We have not bought an AMD box or Itanium box here in over four years so we have changed our standards to say Intel not "x86". Call a spade a spade.
Anybody see that coke ad during the superbowl, we are still laughing on how stupid and non-funny it was.
Budwiser made us all cry and godaddy made us all throw up in our mouths.
Pepsi Next was the best but it assumes you have seen project x.
2.5X what is that really?
finally getting to 8 cores / chip after everyone else is not something to brag about, but somehow people will be fooled into thinking 2.5X is actually more than a chip fab enhancement thanks to xeon.
so if a 4 core chip is lets say 400 units (100/core)
an 8 core ship is 2.5x that its 1000 units but only a 25% improvement per core.
IBM has been about 3x the performance of itanium cores and looks like HP is falling even further behind on the per core and also software license measure.
Re: IBM does have details about Power8 in its public roadmap and has for two years
npar is just partitioning not virtualization. Apparently there is no plan to provide real virtualization in the hardware.
nice....take the disaster of Larry paid back for hurd and try to position it as a competitive advantage. Don't keep your head in the sand too long you will get burned. Everyone is circling the dead itanium carcass and having an unoptimized port will not help hp. At least IBM's Power systems has DB2 to keep Oracle motivated.
IBM does have details about Power8 in its public roadmap and has for two years
IBM does have details about Power8 in its public roadmap and has for two years.
there is a tool called google to find info.
there is also a site called wikipedia which has the details.
curious when Itanium will have hardware virtulization?
Except for larry pissing on itanium already do you think $500M will just piss him off more or make a difference in the business for customers?
Re: Probably not
Intel/VMware/Redhat is not vendor independence its standardizing on substandard offerings and latching them together hoping it creates a "good enough" technology to run your business.
A lot of companies can lose more in one hour of downtime than the server costs. Not sure where 10-20x comes from last I checked RISC was only more expensive because it takes two x86 boxes to have similar reliability.
Other Sun purchase benefits
Oracle was able to essentially kill MySQL, which was the biggest threat to its cash cow. DB2 and Oracle now rule the market.
Oracle owns JAVA and SAP is screwed. SAP retooled their who application stack on JAVA and is about freaked about asking Oracle for the re-license cost.
Oracle is milking that cow better than anyone else. They have no customer compassion so eliminating 9-5 service and forcing every dusty box to be under service.
Oracle knows how to take account control to the max and suck more wallet share from customers, personally I prefer the dual vendor strategy. We played IBM vs. Amdahl and now its Oracle and IBM.
Microsoft is the odd man out and now that M$ft is investing in Dell expect HP to sink even further into the abyss. Microsoft is going to buy Nokia and Dell to become competitive again vs. Apple. They will fail but that is their strategy.
Got mine at sub $12....but i still would not buy their gear. Even the touchpad which i bought for $100 i gave away
Compare IBM to HP
I wish I owned IBM stock. I bought some HP right after the stock got crushed from the Autonomy writedown.
Since 2006, HP has taken $26.1 billion in "restructuring charges, goodwill writedowns, and merger-related expenses," according to Rolfe Winkler of The Wall Street Journal. The company's current market cap is $23.5 billion. So in six years flat, more money was destroyed on overpriced, ill-conceived acquisitions than the entire 73-year-old company is worth today.
Re: Surface Pro will also fail
Winner of the down vote contest! Just goes to prove the truth hurts.
Re: Surface Pro will also fail
Open source, Open O/S, Open HW it's all BS
Why is everyone buying Apple? Because it is the best overall device, HW/SW/Apps/accessories
Integration value trumpts best of breed component and that is the future.
This is also why linux on x86 is the next downward spiral for Intel. HP was the first to fall, Intel is next then Microsoft.
still pondering spending $15
I am not a fan of win8 on my HP touchsmart, why would I upgrade any of my non-touch screens for $119?
oh and anyone can get the $15 upgrade, just say you bought the system yesterday on the upgrade site.
Re: Allison Park 1+1=7?
if you put HP in your comments instead of IBM I would agree with your statements and not view you as a ostrich with your head in the sand
that was so unobvious just like everything else about win8 i want my start button back and to only have to go the the "start screen" when i want to play backgammon
Re: Allison Park 1+1=7?
Matt....I hope you don't buy HP stock. Your so tainted by your HP bias I am sure you must have lost 75% of your value in the last 3 years whilst watching your IBM rep get rich.
your sky is falling on IBM proclamations are getting stupider every day.
I still have not found the virus program in windows 8 they say its here somewhere. I used to just go the the bottom of the task bar
is he still under the do no evil pledge?
reminds me on the post office pledge every time they dont show up in the snow.
Intel needs to focus on volume chips
phones/tablets/tv's/set top boxes are the only way they will pay for their expensive fab addiction.
unfortunately you cannot change the quickly in the IT chip world and intel is doomed for the next few years as PC's go from a 1-2 year refresh to 4-5 and phones/tablets instead get refreshed every 2 years.
did i mention windows 8 is bipolar? it truly sucks its like I am running vmware and two o/s's and have to switch back and forth to do what i used to do with just windows. extremely annoying
Re: Allison Park 1+1=7?
I think it had more to do with consumer market vs. business market. HP is trying to do both and given their $29B market cap vs. IBM's $221B market cap you have to admit the sky is falling over at HP. I did pick up a few thousand shares of HP right after they announced the $8B write off. Sure sounded like the stock hit bottom with no where to go but up. So far up 30%. Except for my expensive ink printer and my touchsmart PC I don't like their gear.
My IBM rep laughs every time he discusses how important the PC business was to IBM's server business. Supposedly it was a $1B loss every year so when they sold it they automatically became a $1B more profitable company.
I am sure HP would dump it in a heart beat if they could get an Asian company to pay a reasonable rate. It's a dying business as this year everything Santa brought was from apple and didnt have a keyboard.
HP, now microsoft, can intel save itself? Windows 8 really sucks.
Re: What Counts
I am thinking the answer to tablets is IBM's AIX operating system.
Seriously AIX is bullet proof, never fails, has thousands of mission critical applications.
Yes and none of those thing matter to the after tablet holder who just buys an ipad and
holds the power/home button to fix whatever is wront.
Microsoft is the next HP tablet...forget what is was called even thought i bought one...then gave it away
face it Microsoft/Intel "WinTel" is dead and HP is deader....samsung and apple ownt the mobile mkt.
She should do porn
Oh that's right she already did. She should go back to doing porn. That was the one thing I think she was good at doing.
Same goes for you Paris.
Re: Oracle, .... a busted flush with no future leading IP
I heard the cloud services team is being forced to use Exa-data and Exa-Logic to double count the hardware dollars and cloud dollars. Rumor also has it they are not happy with Sun x86 hardware. Notice how they said Sun hardware.
Re: Oracle, .... a busted flush with no future leading IP
"We're just about finishing with the downsizing phase," Ellison said cheerfully.
==> yeah after two years of firing, cancelling, delaying, cutting so they squeeze every penny out of the install base they are amost done. There is no future in hardware at Oracle, but then again neither is there at Teradata or what was Netezza. Just OEM the Intel boards.
Hardware systems products sales fell by 23 per cent, to $734m, and support revenues on the installed Oracle/Sun hardware base fell by 6 per cent to $587m. Add them up, and the combined hardware systems sales fell by 16 per cent to $1.32bn.
==> Mark Turd is doing the same thing to the Oracle business he did to HP, the only difference it is a cash cow to the software business.
===> Anyone that buys those Sun x86 servers embedded in "EXA-crap" better get ready for RAC cluster evacuations, and rebuilds.
Re: Strangely quiet.
Look at Market cap the true value of a company (at lease how investors view it)
Sadly HP is $28B. I would hate to have to be part of the organization that Mark Hurd set on the course for failure.
Then the board destroyed the company.
You heard it hear first. Carl Icahn will buy a substantial portion of the company and the first thing he will do is fire Ray Lane. Ray is the reason the board is dysfunctional and hires a CEO none of them ever interviewed. Meg is doing her best, but the jury is still out as Ray is still calling the shots.
we need to find water
we can certainly change mars into an earth, it just takes determination, time and taxes.
Unix = IBM
For those Itanium fanboys (or just Matt the fanboy) or Snorcle groupies getting burned by Larry you cannot deny the facts of a capitalistic world. Revenue & profit drive investment and innovation, especially in the high cost technology sector.
"At the turn of the millennium, these Unix boxes dominated server revenues and Hewlett-Packard and Sun Microsystems were on top and IBM was the upstart. Now HP has declined massively, Sun has been eaten by Oracle and shrunk to drive profits, and IBM absolutely dominates Unix." Always curious if you just forget about HP/Oracle and only compare IBM mainframe, IBM Power and the x86 business if Unix would get a better growth view.
"HP was the number two Unix system supplier in the quarter, with $387.5m in revenues, but sales were off 28.2 per cent." Still curious if the latest CEO is interested in Itanium, last I heard she said they need to get their Itanium customers to something they want hence Odyssey and because ISV's especially Oracle wont port to HP-UX/x86 they wont port something ISV's wont support.
"Oracle revenues off 35.5 per cent to $354.8m." I am sure the profit margins are going up as they are cutting costs everywhere, raising maintenance prices and delaying products.
" Fujitsu's Solaris server biz was down 23.2 per cent to a piddling $50m in the quarter." And why would Fujitsu stay in the Solaris business? Stubborn only lasts so long.
anyone else notice their is a diagram on the chalk board that looks a lot like a penis?
Re: "Time for a rethink" suggests Dr. Karl
I saw the "click to enlarge" link on Karl's picture and got scared.
What happens when two galaxies collide, actually not much since there is so much distance between the stars.
But if the black hole is is on the right trajectory it can swallow up most of the other galaxy and possibly merge the two black holes.
I am curious who funds this work? It is tuition or part of our $16B of debt?
Re: innovate or acquire?
They call it Toilet and Douche for a reason.
let's just say I was right and Matt Bryant was wrong. No company is worth $50M per employee. If it wasn't for Larry being such an ass everyone would agree with Oracle that it was not even worth a quarter of the half they were offered to buy it.
Curious why Oracle could get it at $6B and HP ended up buying it for $12B, did someone have pictures of someone? In today's cell phone camera world I wouldn't doubt that is the real reason.
Notes is great just not at email
unfortunately most people just used it for email which was a mess.
Just guessing here but I think the Lotus brand and experts they acquired helped them build websphere which has been the real success.
everything is Englands fault
If England didn't do such a horrible job of imperialism and country creation we would not be in this mess of india/pakistan isreal/middle east. The Brits need to be the ones losing their lives over this travesty.
get a life
Linux has always had a slight edge on aix on power because it is a light weight O/S with minimal reliability compared to AIX.
I must say you have defended HP well, somwhere along the line the late, slow, divestment of socket compatibility promise, lake of hardware virtualization in Itanium, cratering revenue and marketshare, Oracle disinterest, Oracle doubling of cost per core for no performance justification, microsoft/redhat/suse dumping it, nasty the sky is falling hp internal documents outed by Oracle, deception of customers about itaniums futgure...etc...etc turned into a turbo core or not question on the 780. Go buy your 2.53GHZ itanic chips while the rest of the world decides if they would like to run Power7+ at 3.8GHz or 4.2GHz.
show proof that itanium can compete with Power7+ and is not 1/3rd the performance. Everything we have seen from ibm and hp would say Power7 cores are 2.5x the performance of tukwila cores and Power7+ will be at least 3x the performance of Poulson cores. When do Poulson systems ship? We got delivery of Power7+ systems last month.
do the math and sd2 can only compete with 770 and not with the new 780 power7+ box
still trying to find out why the tukwila/poulson chips have 5 qpi links since ther are not enough for the blades and only 2 (3) are used on sd2. Just seems bizarre.
Re: a few questions from folks stuck with a few Itanium systems
Matt has got completely insane.
My questions are not ibm, they are customer questions.
I jokingly copied the kittson remarks from Oracle's website and he thinks its from IBM marketing. google the kittson comment and you will see they are oracle. The Oracle rep here is still telling us they are doing the minimum development possible and since hp-ux is not getting any new licenses customers would be insane to put new releases on something that does not have critical mass cause they might get nuked.
Then Matt goes on to say ibm might have itanium servers in the future. Matt are on you vacation in Colorado smoking somthings? Last I checked the only o/s's running on itanium were HP-UX, VMS and Tandem non-stop. I am sure there is some obscure OS since they are showing bull, nec, hitachi china somebody. I think NEC is really just a HP OEM so they dont count.
socket compatibility with xeon is a divestment from intel not a customer benefit since they broke their promise of socket compatibility from tukwila to kittson.
well so much for my weekend in FL, gotta catch my flight back to NY. I miss FL
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