276 posts • joined 20 Jan 2010
actually $184K per SPARC chip and $736K per server
SPARC T5 is 16 cores * .5 core factor table = 8 licenses required.
8 * $23K = $184K
Since most database systems have four sockets at least you are now talking about $736K per box.
Now you know why Oracle bought the SPANC technology.
expect it to be significant and ongoing
Dell has to adopt the Larry Ellison model of culling the bottom 5-10% and hiring to backfill
Re: Where does that leave IBM HPC sales
There is no profit in HPC sales...the only reason people play in the market is to try and pay for the large fixed cost of development. In the intel world you wont see the major mfg's signing up to lose money to help intel pay for their fab costs.
Lenovo bought more of IBM
It sounds like a good strategy to sell to the same company as the pc biz and since Lenovo is full of ex-ibmers but with very deep pockets it should give the system x a huge jolt of R&D dollars. For those of us who think they would rather buy from a US company....i think 85% of intel servers are made in China, so it's not a US vs China thing
Lenovo is buying HP?
Makes you wonder what Larry things about all of this rumor-mongering.
An Irish person temporarily in the US suing oracle about an indian coming to the US because they didn't like market based pay. I'm thinking it was a huge pay raise to come to the US. It's supply and demand not some mythical fairness.
Oh well....glad I am not working for an IT company.....it is cut throat now.....much better to be in the cpg industry.
moonshot? x86 is Proprietary!
HP can be so stupid. To name a project/product moonshoot is saying to potential customers that it will fail but we have a 1 in a billion chance it might be worthwhile. If the prior sludge CEO hadn't blown 11B on a stupid sw company they would have bought calxeda.
Someone has to keep Intel honest and if it's not going to be ARM then it has to be Power.
with AMD and Itanium practically dead x86 is really just "Intel" now. So much for x86 not being Proprietary !
Karl...you should go back to IBM....I hear they miss you in the Power division.
always order early
I ordered one back in June when Amazon started selling it. Just sold it on ebay for a nice $300 profit and all I had to do is redirect the shipping to the person who bought it on ebay. Easy money
Re: Dazed and Confused Great, you've spilled the beans
you must work for Oracle in California, because only someone on weed would say SPANK is the most performant CPU on the market. It does not come close to the performance of Intel or IBM chips. Ok it does do better than Itanium and yes because Oracle gives it a .5 core factor table handicap it is surviving but look at the revenue numbers. Oracles HW is down 14% not the 7% they talk about because the HW services revenue is going up. Sounds the the typical Oracle buy technology increase services prices to cash cow and and force customers to a proprietary product scenario.....it's not like they didnt do the same thing with Rdb years ago.
I wonder if the america's cup team cheated because their sponsor is known to cheat?
Re: Deja vu
half of the comments on the reg are from robots.
I am perceived therefore i am
Hardware will soon only be support services
If you look at the financial statement you will see that hardware system products fell from 779 to 669 in 2013 but system support rose from 574 to 592.
Obviously people are trying not to buy Oracle hardware and the sales reps are now relying on audits and automatic support cost increases to increase revenue. When looking at hardware decline you really should only look at hardware which was down 14% NOT INCLUDE SUPPORT RANSOM which make it look like it is only down 7%
BTW we dislike Larry and will someday get rid of all their software even peoplesoft just waiting for the other offerings to get to the required function which is progressing quickly
cheers you fanboys
why would anyone buy this old technology?
Between Power and Xeon why would anyone buy Itanium or a SPARC T? Insanity to buy a Fujitsu sparc chip...it was a joke 5 years ago and has not changed much
Not sure about you but I have been taking a vitamin supplement which should keep me alive for 15K years to see the results. Now I just need to work on a project at work which does not expect a deadline for 15K years then I wont need to work so hard.
Re: Allison Park userid pw
it was a joke..... funny ha ha......btw..and i know you know this I really hate being called anything but Allison. Maty
sad but true HP killing HP3000 and now VMS is no joke....if you want to be serious :-D
as someone recently said....
"As I said last week when reporting that Hewlett-Packard has decided not to port the latest OpenVMS 8.4 release to the current "Poulson" Itanium 9500 processors from Intel and has basically sunsetted the hardware platform on the older Itanium 9300-based Integrity servers that are several years long in the tooth, it is important not to gloat. But, having said that, it is Silverlake's 25th birthday, and it seems appropriate to keep score."
I heard the userid was admin and password sys1 not sure why so boring I would have expected userid matt and password bryant
people still buy sparc?
Anyone that still gets excited about sparc should be SPANC'd
who gets fired next?
Oracle (larry) goes thru co-presidents like someone goes thru bottles of wine.
I doubt Safra will get canned since she really runs the company, but you really have to wonder how long Mark's tennis playing with Larry will last before he gets the boot. Been told from several sources Oracle continues to give away the hardware gear for free to customers who sign an ELA/ULA but since it is a package deal the reported earnings are zero discount.
I guess they can do this but it certainly seems fishy and really comes at the expense of software sales which is why that is artificially low at 1% while hardware is "only" down 24%
Off to Paris tomorrow...love ya'll
And who said Itanium was end of life? Looks healthy to me.... NOT
Criminal in so many ways
So who is going investigate how he got HP to pay $11B for a company worth $1B?
Re: The death knell for SPARC.
The IDC 2012 results for Power, SPARC and Itanium are
Power = $5.7B, SPARC = $2.6B and Itanium = $1.6B
obviously if you think SPARC is dead then Itanium is drawn and quartered
Oracle actually puts money into marketing SPARC, but it is still geting SPANCed by POwer
Flash is the way to go
Our SAP image is plenty small enough to put into all flash. The real big db is in our data warehouse....err sorry its called "Big Data System" now.
The DL980 is two four socket boxes tied together with two glue chips. The problem is the I/O is tied to the processors so it is unbearable to get from one processor thru the glue chip to the other processor then finally out to the network.
Will be interesting to see when HP actually gets this system out the door. ivy wont be until 4q at the earliest and HP never does anything before OCT 31st so many 1Q '14 or will this be like Integrity schedules which never had ny integrity and after being 3 months late HP would finally admit that it will be another year before they come out....i.e. Tukwila it was not ddr3 that held up product for 18 months.
Cheers...off to cancun again this weekend....I need summer after moving to NY.
Re: Licenses 'sold'.
i am supprised there are only 238 comments about this debacle. I saw it before win8 came out....let's get rid of the start button...oh the only thing that is central to windows the only reason i installed it was because you could get $15 licenses and free up some win7 licenses then change it to start at desktop and install a start program....my money was only to get more win7 disguised as win8
Re: Allison Park Mikel Storm clouds
not really a dodge.... just a bigger picture view.
Lenovo has done very well. I never viewed IBM as a consumer company. From looking at their acquisitions and divestitures it sure looks like they want to get out of commodity (hard drives, point of sale) and retain high value. I would not view this as a hardware general issue and I think they make higher margins on hw than services but sw eclipses all.
should be interesting either way i think customers are happy with ibm and lenovo can't say the same for my friends watching the HP ship burn
Re: Mikel Storm clouds
HP Profitable? Last I checked HP did not have a P/E ratio because you actually need a profit. I looked it up -$6.55 per share. HP is a fool.
I think every major vendor will adopt the Oracle model. Dump "commodity" give all profit to Intel and move into premium high value systems which give less importance to intel / power / sparc
lenovo seems like the right choice but you never know about samsung, fujitsu or hitachi
Re: Because you came here to troll.
how much is the toll for your bridge?
If Larry really had a higher performance core he would not feel the need to have a handicap core factor of a half a license per core.......but then again its about more cores not more performance.
Re: personally I think all major vendors will get out of the volume x86 server market
interesting crystal ball......Cisco and VMware I think are also having a backlash because of their prices.
Oracle forked LInux and now you can't be assured your code will work everywhere... welcome to Unix Linux
And why Meg wished she dumped the pc biz a long time ago....HP is getting crushed by tablets and phones.....was ibm incredibly smart or lucky....it really does not matter
I hear the MTBF of those Sun nodes is about 2.5 years which is the #2 reason we have steered cleard of exa-xxx. The number one reason is they are exa-expensive and the single vendor lock-in is with the worst IT vendor out there as far as price and terms.
cheers to my ex-sun co worlkers
I didn't know ZFS couldn't be clustered. Crazy we dont use it as we prefer storage from EMC/IBM/Netapp
Pure data for transactions
We are looking at the Pure data for transactions solutions. Our company has parallel sysplex on the mainframe and have been looking to implement that in the Unix environment, but given the effort to implement a pre-integrated systems would be perfect. Interestingly, the name for the technology on Power was called PureScale. Looks like they used the Pure name for everything but have abandoned the term purescale. It will take forever but we are looking to dump oracle RAC.
Re: Re Alli Spin
Thanks for the explanation, curious if there will ever be a 22nm chip. Intel said kitson will not be for two years that makes it 2015 and I think the agreement was only till 2017 in making the chips. But I am sure Intel could make enough chips for 10 years in their fab in one week since there is not that much supply.
This is the obvious result of Intel moving all of the Itanium engineers to xeon in 2011.
Shocking that intel will not simply move the poulson chip onto 22nm and put a larger cache on it.
How hard could that be, but its all about money. Intel wants more money from HP and HP does not have any money, so that make processors thru 2017 will be just poulsons.
And the end of the story is now.
Will be interesting to see how the new pricing effects the product line. We have standardized on the p770 for all of our data intensive workloads. We have some of our websphere on the 770's but the majority of it (non-ecommerce) is on intel. If the price is right we will move to Power entry for our application systems. The reliability and certainly the IBM software pricing is advantages Power.
We have not bought an AMD box or Itanium box here in over four years so we have changed our standards to say Intel not "x86". Call a spade a spade.
Anybody see that coke ad during the superbowl, we are still laughing on how stupid and non-funny it was.
Budwiser made us all cry and godaddy made us all throw up in our mouths.
Pepsi Next was the best but it assumes you have seen project x.
2.5X what is that really?
finally getting to 8 cores / chip after everyone else is not something to brag about, but somehow people will be fooled into thinking 2.5X is actually more than a chip fab enhancement thanks to xeon.
so if a 4 core chip is lets say 400 units (100/core)
an 8 core ship is 2.5x that its 1000 units but only a 25% improvement per core.
IBM has been about 3x the performance of itanium cores and looks like HP is falling even further behind on the per core and also software license measure.
Re: IBM does have details about Power8 in its public roadmap and has for two years
npar is just partitioning not virtualization. Apparently there is no plan to provide real virtualization in the hardware.
nice....take the disaster of Larry paid back for hurd and try to position it as a competitive advantage. Don't keep your head in the sand too long you will get burned. Everyone is circling the dead itanium carcass and having an unoptimized port will not help hp. At least IBM's Power systems has DB2 to keep Oracle motivated.
IBM does have details about Power8 in its public roadmap and has for two years
IBM does have details about Power8 in its public roadmap and has for two years.
there is a tool called google to find info.
there is also a site called wikipedia which has the details.
curious when Itanium will have hardware virtulization?
Except for larry pissing on itanium already do you think $500M will just piss him off more or make a difference in the business for customers?
Re: Probably not
Intel/VMware/Redhat is not vendor independence its standardizing on substandard offerings and latching them together hoping it creates a "good enough" technology to run your business.
A lot of companies can lose more in one hour of downtime than the server costs. Not sure where 10-20x comes from last I checked RISC was only more expensive because it takes two x86 boxes to have similar reliability.
Other Sun purchase benefits
Oracle was able to essentially kill MySQL, which was the biggest threat to its cash cow. DB2 and Oracle now rule the market.
Oracle owns JAVA and SAP is screwed. SAP retooled their who application stack on JAVA and is about freaked about asking Oracle for the re-license cost.
Oracle is milking that cow better than anyone else. They have no customer compassion so eliminating 9-5 service and forcing every dusty box to be under service.
Oracle knows how to take account control to the max and suck more wallet share from customers, personally I prefer the dual vendor strategy. We played IBM vs. Amdahl and now its Oracle and IBM.
Microsoft is the odd man out and now that M$ft is investing in Dell expect HP to sink even further into the abyss. Microsoft is going to buy Nokia and Dell to become competitive again vs. Apple. They will fail but that is their strategy.
Got mine at sub $12....but i still would not buy their gear. Even the touchpad which i bought for $100 i gave away
Compare IBM to HP
I wish I owned IBM stock. I bought some HP right after the stock got crushed from the Autonomy writedown.
Since 2006, HP has taken $26.1 billion in "restructuring charges, goodwill writedowns, and merger-related expenses," according to Rolfe Winkler of The Wall Street Journal. The company's current market cap is $23.5 billion. So in six years flat, more money was destroyed on overpriced, ill-conceived acquisitions than the entire 73-year-old company is worth today.
what ever happend to the big black slab
I thought they found a big black slab in the 70's?
Re: Surface Pro will also fail
Winner of the down vote contest! Just goes to prove the truth hurts.
Re: Surface Pro will also fail
Open source, Open O/S, Open HW it's all BS
Why is everyone buying Apple? Because it is the best overall device, HW/SW/Apps/accessories
Integration value trumpts best of breed component and that is the future.
This is also why linux on x86 is the next downward spiral for Intel. HP was the first to fall, Intel is next then Microsoft.
still pondering spending $15
I am not a fan of win8 on my HP touchsmart, why would I upgrade any of my non-touch screens for $119?
oh and anyone can get the $15 upgrade, just say you bought the system yesterday on the upgrade site.
Re: Allison Park 1+1=7?
if you put HP in your comments instead of IBM I would agree with your statements and not view you as a ostrich with your head in the sand
that was so unobvious just like everything else about win8 i want my start button back and to only have to go the the "start screen" when i want to play backgammon
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