Re: $11 m profit, but only after $40 m "zero emissions credit"

"They are toast once they stop getting the credit paid to them by other car makers"

You know it is kind of sad that your political views make you want for companies to fail so you can be proven to be right.

But that's politics, proudly rotting brains for millennia.

Re: The US government made about USD$26 million on the deal...

Yes, they got some money selling pollution tax credits but you know, that's what happens when you start up a business, it grows little by little, you can't expect to make billions by the first year. In fact, pretty much nobody was expecting them to turn a profit so soon, tax credits or not.

As for the current quarter, they have already said they won't be making a profit. They are going to start sending cars to Europe and therefore won't be getting the revenue as quickly as with those sold within Norh America.

By the way, that Schulz reminds me of the RIM guys who, after the iPhone was first announced, accused Apple of lying as it was impossible for phone with such a large screen to have a battery that lasted more than a few minutes.

Re: Wow

Like gas powered cars that were toys for the very rich until Henry Ford came along.

You may have a problem with the rich paying through the nose to beta test the technology we will all be using in a few years, but I certainly don't.

Re: 3rd part desktop manager/start menu

" Xwindows, KDE, Gnome, xfce, etc. are _all_ 3rd party"

Nope, they are all second party

Re: NOW will you try Windows Phone 8?

Dear Register boffins,

Would you please create an optional filter that hides all posts that include the word 'Eadon' in the text.

Thanks

P.D. Maybe I shouldn't throw the first stone but this is getting completely out of hand.

No wonder you don't think of them as inconsequential, after all, you seem to believe that 2,9% is a big deal.

So, the marketshare of the former market leader is 'only' a point of two behind the inconsequential Android OEMs.

Well, that's a relief!

Re: Competing in the wrong direction

That's funny, netbooks were created at a time in which notebook makers were concentrating on building desktop replacements and forgetting about the people who needed to carry them around.

Now it seems it's the other way around.

Re: lost almost all respect for consumer reports

About half of the taxis in my town are prius, the first time I took a taxi after noticing it I asked the driver "How come? is it the mileage, the low maintenance, something else?"

He answered that the mileage is great of course, but that it was definitely the low maintenance.

He also told me that he was one of the first to get a Prius and how the other drivers had laughed at him but "who is laughing now?"

Re: Musk...

I have watched a couple of videos of his speaking and to me he looks like he is literally trembling with fear of speaking in public.

He should get better with time but he certainly doesn't look arrogant to me although for all I know he may be in private.

Re: How do they manage to make a loss?

Sales people like their commissions

Re: Do they come with a remote?

I don't need to imagine it, I can already see people talking to bluetooth headsets.

I can't be that different

Re: Competition on Desktop

"Google [...] are after your soul.."

Do people really take that kind of statement seriously?

Re: Android dominance continues

Not only I know what 'bespoke' means I also know what irony means: adj. sort of, like iron

Re: Android dominance continues

"Apple fail to achieve greatest market share with non-mass-market product".

Indeed, I mean, they only sold 37 million iPhones, the only reason they don't call them "bespoke" is to avoid being sued by the tailors at Savile Row

Re: As ever ...

And, as ever, we only get to know Apple's sale numbers while with Android we get how many devices are activated daily.

Even if nobody uses all features, different people use different features.

Re: What needs to be done..

Indeed they can sell them in their own site like Baen does, but still it is better for them to keep selling at Amazon too.

Amazon give them access to millions of potential customers that may not even know they exist, specially thanks to the 'you may also like' recommendations.

Also asking potential customers to register at you site to buy a book is a good way to lose the sale.

Re: Price Fixing?

"The retailer should then be free to sell at any price they like, even at a loss."

If you do that you could end up being sued for abusing a dominant position.

Although you do have to have a dominant position to be sued, Amazon comes to mind.

Re: The eBook Problem

Since Neil Gaiman is mentioned in the article I took the time to check the prices for his upcoming book at amazon.co.uk:

Hardback: £16.99, although amazon sells it for £10.99

Kindle: £16.99, although amazon sells it for £8.49

It's funny, you are both right and wrong at the same time.

Re: Once again, people miss the point ...

"1) Publishers often set eBook prices to be the same (or more) than the dead-tree version"

They may often do that, yet I haven't seen it in the ebooks I have bought in the last two years.

Re: The results for the 3rd quarter of 2013??

"Fiscal" years work in mysterious ways

Re: Worked for Steve Jobs, why not BG?

"Jobs had character defects, but at least the company didn't have a near permanent presence in the courts."

Not for lack of trying, after all he was the one who was going to go thermonuclear on Android and the one who let slip in his memoirs that he had colluded with publishers to increase the price of ebooks.

Re: Unsurprise!

You must have missed the last line I wrote:

"Yes, I know, it's nothing but a guilty pleasure."

As for getting a life, I am indeed working on it, I post here,don't I?

Re: Unsurprise!

"Gold and silver have inherent value."

Nope, they don't, like everything in life they are only worth what someone wants to pay for it.

Lately I am watching Tv series like storage wars and pawn stars and one of the reasons is the amazement I get seeing how much people are willing to pay for rubbish.

Yes, I know, it's nothing but a guilty pleasure.

Re: Fixed it for ya.

But even if it wasn't different, which it is, still Google don't do what you say they do.

Take the HTC First, the "Facebook phone", it is an android phone, it includes the play store, and yet Google doesn't have a problem with letting HTC partner with their biggest competitor to take over the user experience.

They don't even have a problem with including the Facebook Home app in their store so Facebook can take over even more handsets.

They make not like it, I bet they don't, but they allow it.

Re: Split

So, you ask why they were fined billions and then you dismiss the reasons?

How cute.

I would question your reasons, but then you reveal then yourself:

"are a major contributor to open source (Linux)"

You are just trolling, that's ok, everyone needs a hobby no matter how pathetic, no wonder you are an anonymous coward.

Re: Split

Well, there are few differences between MS and Google:

Unlike Microsoft, Google don't require their clients to pay Google everytime they do buisness with Google competitors.

Unlike Microsoft, Google don't order their clients to 'knife the baby'

Unlike Microsoft, Google haven't been caught doctoring the evidence at trial

You know, little things like that.

Re: Fixed it for ya.

You compare it to Intel vs AMD but it is completely different.

Through kickbacks Intel would charge a lot less to OEMs that wouldn't use AMD, specially Dell to the point where Dell's whole profits were smaller than the kickbacks they got from Intel.

With Android Google charge you the same if you include their services or not: nothing in both cases.

And that's not theoretical, Amazon and Baidu do it and if you Bing it (no Google for you, I guess) you will see there are quite a few web pages about how to get Google's market app in different devices that didn't come with it.

And once you install it, you will see that they don't have any problems with provinding apps that compete with their own. You rather use Amazon's Kindle app instead of Google Books? No problem, as you wish, they don't abuse their platform against their competitors.

So, how do they force OEMs to include their services? By being the best choice?

Re: Fixed it for ya.

They have no way to force the inclusion of its other services, proof of it is that Amazon uses Android for free and doesn't include them.

Re: makes sense

"Windows boxes getting slower over time is a non-issue since XP (and was a non-issue for the NT-line before that)."

It wasn't an issue for win 2k but it certainly was for XP

Re: Face.

Tojo, the Japanese prime minister, had a tattoo in his chest so he could shoot himself in the hearth and die, he did shoot himself, but somehow missed and survived to be hanged.

Re: Mixed lessons from history?

MacArthur pursued them close to Chinese territory, that was enough.

After all the Chinese had warned the USA to keep, at least, 20 miles from the frontier, Truman ordered MacArthur to do so, he disobeyed.

He should have court marshalled and sent to prison but, being a hero, he was simply retired.

Re: Mixed lessons from history?

If the Norks were to start something, I am pretty sure the Chinese would fight against them, there is nothing the Chinese could possibly win in a war that would compensate for the economic losses were they to fight the USA.

Re: You'll be able to buy it this year, fanbois, if analyst is correct

PCs, mp3 players, phones and tablets are also low margin businesses, yet Apple makes them all, sometimes with big margins.

So, Safari refuses to surf porn sites?

Re: Tesla: the ultimate in man Maths

Ship 10.000 a year? They are planning on shipping 20.000 this year and they are shipping about 450 a week now. And early next year they will release the model x.

Granted, that's what they say, after all when they said they were going to start delivering model s early into the second half of 2012 many experts laughed at them.

And the experts were right, the started delivering them in june, not the second half of year.

Re: Tesla: the ultimate in man Maths

Simon, you actually do know that they are still building cars, right?

Then, why do you pretend you don't?

Anyway, those $465m were a loan based on objectives, and they have announced they will be returning it in five years instead of the original ten.

Re: @AC 09:31 (was: Do not want, and in fact this kind of thing is a fucking 'orrible idea.)

You never got a "Reductio ad absurdum" proof at math class?

Re: In troubled times...

"Bitcoin might actually be safer than a Southern European bank"

Like, for example, the Amagerbanken and Fjordbank Mors banks in Denmark whose whose depositors over 100.000€ were given a nice free haircut in 2011.

I don't know, maybe it they were located in southern Denmark.

Re: No microSD AGAIN

If 64GB is too litte, HTC is willing to sell an external drive you can connect to the phone, and if you add the external battery to that it may even get as inconvenient as carrying a laptop

No, but I do tell you that small - medium enterprises use the preinstalled OS

The point is that everyone's bonuses depend on Google+ doing well.

Re: Why are the KDE desktop shortcuts penned in?

They don't, I just tried in KDE 4.9.5 and I can place them wherever I want in the screen, and then you can block them in place so you can't move them by accident

Re: What about the oil barons??

Rockefeller campaigned against electric light, it didn't work out so well, did it?