Posts by Matt Bryant

Re: And I guess Ecuador has just the right amount of sunshine he needs

"Wonder if this excuse works the workplace too..." Well, if the building doesn't have adequate ventilation and levels of lighting then it can't be fit for purpose. Send in the health inspectors, if it doesn't pass muster then condemn it and close it, and then arrest St Jules seeing as the building no longer has any diplomatic protection. If it passes, than as you were.

Re; Re: Ally 1

"....But if it's so easy why do you want it?....." I don't, I'm gaming the gamers. If all the posters looking for approval are happily gaming the system to get goldies then suddenly the silver becomes the badge of the noncompliant and independent-minded.....

Re: Re: Ally 1

".....where's my steenking gold badge?...." In the good old days of the El Reg Forum Dominitrix Bee you would already have been sentenced to the whip by now! Then again, some posters might prefer that to a gold badge.....

Re: Ally 1

"noo I didnt get a badge...." Well, just like the appraisal systems under discussion, El Reg Badge Bonanza is just another system to be gamed. I couldn't possibly suggest you go create 100 throw-away email addresses at Gmail and similar sites, and then create 100 El Reg accounts, and then give yourself 100 upvotes to get the Ultimate El Reg Shiny! That would be cheating.

Re: Re: Ironic

"based on contribution record" - I note you need to get so many upvotes for a gold, so maybe that should be how much popularist ar$e-kissing you post?

Re: I blame the MBAs

"......if they have a number for something, they have an understanding of it....." Never a truer word has been spoken! I'd upvote your post a dozen times if I could.

Re: 1980's

".....even I could convert an FN rifle (SLR) to fully auto by placing a matchstick under the trip sear...." COUGH*bearcantab*COUGH

Re: Re: traitor

Dana, he did it in a fit of childish rage brought about by his inabaility to deal with his transgender issues and accept military life, something other gays in the military did not find to be half the burden Manning turned it into.

Re: agreed

He was not working for the government, he was working for the military - different set of rules, different contract and it has an oath about secrecy even before you get to his extra commitments for the specific role he had. This wasn't just some guy whistle-blowing on something like possible errors in government stats being hidden, this was a guy that recklessly leaked secret material that could endanger people, to a guy he knew would then distribute it to anyone willing to pay.

Re: Re: Hmmm, 10 for 1, eh!

"Or he could post as an anonymous coward....." Puh-lease, Manning is all about attention, there is no way he would turn down the opportunity to garner some fawning from the sheeple like you. Mind you, he could post as Breanna so you might miss it.

Re: Re: traitor

"....I guess it's OK for the military to shoot up innocent civilians...." What, now you're trying to claim the military is injecting them with heroin?

Re: Oy veh, vas dot a boo boo.

".....So who made the announcement...." The Israeli Defence Minsitry, as I already stated. It was originally on their website as a minor news item, then repeated by a civil servant when queried by journalists before being confirmed by a junior minsiter acting as spokesman for the ministry.

".....Nobody in Israel ever hoid the expression "STFU?"....." As part of the application process they routinely announce the result of applications, it's part of their democratic and open process to avoid accusations of hidden payoffs for land deals. Not surprisingly, members of the media had been tracking the application, knew full well it meant nothing, but were waiting to announce it in the worst possible light the moment Biden landed. Sheeple like you sawllowed the bait and have been bleating about it ever since.

"....They sank the USS Liberty...." SCHWING! And off into the wide yonder we go on another evasion! The attack on the Liberty was an accident, as accepted by the US government, during Israel's war with Egypt and other Arab countries. The US Navy Court said: "available evidence combines to indicate ... (that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#U.S._government_investigations) Try another conspiracy theory, that one is just so dated.

Re: "....." Shamir was a commander in the Lehi, not the outright leader."

"....one of the three leaders of the group, serving with Nathan Yellin-Mor and Israel Eldad...." Like I said, not the outright leader. Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

"....Nice guy...." Not particulalry, but - as I already pointed out - he oversaw the peaceful handover of the Sinai back to Egypt and normalisation of relations between the two countries, which is more concrete work towards peace than any Fakeistinian leader.

".....A friend of yours?" Nope, never got to meet the guy, but I have met his son, Yair Shamir. If he was a British politician I wouldn't vote for him or his father, but then Britain isn't having rockets fired at it by terrorists on a daily basis.

Re: Re: " seven years after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza"

"You forgot to mention that when the Israelis pulled out they they penned the Gazans in with concertina wire, barbed wire and chain link fencing on three sides and a fleet of hand-me-down ships on the Mediterranean side...." That's almost funny! Please do ignore that international law states that Israel had to maintain border control with Egypt, and was in no way inclined to let Fakeistinian terrorists have free reign in Israel. But you forgot to mention that a key employer for Gazans was the border industrial parks set up by Israel at Karni and Erez to encourage Israeli companies to employ Gazans, stimulate the Gazan economy and hopefully foster peaceful co-existance. They had to be closed due to terrorist attacks (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26259-2004Jun8.html). Ordinary Gazans could enjoy a wage twenty times better than what they could get in Gaza but their jihadi brothers put their desire to kill Jews first. Hamas and co WANTED angry, unemployed refugees, not ones able to buy their ways out of the camps.

Re: "The road from Bosnia is paved with good intentions."

".....The wholesale loss of conservative support in the Senate would not necessarily doom the resolution..." Oh gee, is that the opposition making life difficult for the incumbant majority? Happens all the time in Western democracies. The fact that Republican support was not required indicates it was simply the typical bipartisan point-scoring.

"....But he almost certainly would have to rely on solid support from Democrats...." So now we get to the real issue - he didn't have support from his own base. So your whole post supposedly to expose Republican reluctance to get it on in Bosnia actually exposed that it was a problem for the Democrats! I'm sure there were plenty of Demo Senators that used the issue to gain some scrapings from the pork barrel.

".....Only with the shitty colonial government England brought to Palestine after Cyprus and before and up to Israel's statehood...." Wrong! The problems existed long before the Brits inherited the problem after kicking Ottoman Turkey out of the area, which was a result of the Great War when Turkey sided with Germany and not just because we wanted to slap the Turks around for fun. Ironicly, the Turks protected the Jews as they valued their education and business skills and used them widely in their civil service. As I have already shown, the issue of Arabs attacking Jews existed during Turkish rule and even before, going right back to the early days of Mo's cult and their massacare of the Banu Qurayzah Jewish tribe. Trying to pretend it was a problem introduced by British rule is a blatant attempt to ignore over a thousand years of preceding history. More reading for you! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism)

"....I'm sure you are well aware of the difference between NATO and the UNSC...." You implied that the UN was just a means to put non-NATO counties' forces under NATO control. For that to be true, NATO would have to have complete control of the UN SC, which I have shown it does not. Fail!

".....HELLO. citations please....."

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_arabs_what.php

http://www.masada2000.org/pal-refugees.html

http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Refugees.asp

Please note that Gaza was under Egyptian control/occupation when the original refugee camps were built in Gaza. Hilariously, having denied the need for a special commission for refugees during the Partition of British India, the UN felt compelled to create a whole and unique organsiation, UNWRA, in 1949 just to look after the Fakeistinian refugees BECAUSE their Arab "hosts" were already failing to meet their legal obligations of care towards them. The only Arab country that did give rights to the Fakeistinian refugees was Jordan, which was practically an Arab Palestinian state anyway, just ruled by the Hashemites from Saudi Arabia. Even Jordan has sought to backtrack on this, having since 1988 instigated a policy of removing citizenship from Fakeistinian refugees so they can inflate the figure of "homeless" Fakeistinian refugees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugee#Jordan) - double fakes!

The Lebanon is a tragic case of trying to balance ethnic tensions by having strict proportional controls of government. Because of it, the Lebanese unanimously (including the Christian, Shiite, Druze and Sunni factions) decided to restrict even basic rights for refugees from Palestine. For the Christian Palestinian Arab refugees this was particularly galling as many had been forced to leave by the Arabs, having been told that if they did not they would be labeled "collaborators", and because partially-Christian Lebanon seemed to offer the only safe harbour compared to the other Arab nations. The refugees weren't just herded into camps, they needed to apply for travel papers for individual trips to leave the camps! Refugees caught outside the camps, even with the requisite papers, were often beaten or killed by the various militia groups. Then the PLO took root (having been kicked out of Jordan for trying to take over the country in Black September) and really upset the apple cart, starting the civil war in the '70s and leading directly to the massacares in the PLO-dominated Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, when the "Young Men", Lebanese Maronite Christians, decided they'd had enough.

I know you'll sieze upon Sabra and Shatila to go schwinging off on another bile-packed rant against Israel, but before you do maybe you should ask yourself why were the Sabra and Shatila camps in existance thirty-four years after 1948? By the end of WW2 there were 40 million refugees in Europe alone. The UN set up a temporary commission, the UNRRA, in 1943, and then closed it in 1947, creating another temporary body called the UNIRO for refugee integration into host countries, which was in turn disbanded, job done, in 1952. Yet the UNWRA has never been a temporary organistaion and has failed to complete the integration of a massively smaller amount of people in countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan that were not as devastated by the War as Europe had been. It is for two reasons - the Fakeistinian and Arab leaders wanted to have a large and permeanent body of refugees to continually show to the West, and a continual source of desperate people willing to strap on suicide bombs and go kill Jews.

Re: The Stern Gang was dissolved in 1948 into the Herut party

"I am not concerned with the back and forth in the Middle East after May 14, 1948...." So why mention the Stern Gang in your desperate attempts to equate past Israeli acts with current Hamas terror activities?

"......to take land from one people and gift it to another....." <Sigh> Been over this already - the UN Partition Plan was set out around EXISTING Jewish and Arab lands, it was the Arabs that wanted to "remove" the Jews from their lands and gift them to Arabs (and by that we know the Arab leaders thought they were going to get the Jews' lands and goods for themselves).

"....The weasel words...." The Balfour Declaration is an exercise in weasel words and a perfect example of the art of diplomacy us Brits are rightly infamous for. It was intended to garner support from rich Jews in the States without actually promising them anything substantive, and at the same time mollify the Arabs by making vague conditional statements. Either way it became moot when GB dumped the problem on the UN, which promptly came to the same conclusion the Brits did - the Arabs didn't want any Jewish homeland at all and there was no way to please both parties. Despite this, the Jews under Ben Gurion accepted the UN PArtition Plan despite it giving them much less than what had been promised by the Balfour Declaration. The Arabs, despite having been already given 76% of the Mandate territory as Transjordan, an Arabs-only country where it was illegal Jews to own land despite many Jews having done so for centuries, turned down the idea of sharing the remaining 24% with the Eeeeevul Joooooos.

"....My concern is the legality of the State of Israel....." Ben Gurion accepted the UN Partition Plan and Israel got international recognition and a seat at the UN, all legal and above board. The Arabs refused the Plan, got their butts kicked and gave themselves the Fakeistinian refugee problem. Who do you think was the smarter?

"....LEHI....." Bla, bla, bla. Please go read this piece on the BBC which looks at the anniversary of the Altalena affair, it explains just one of the hard decisions Ben Gurion had to make regarding splinter groups like the Irgun and Lehi in an effort to establish a united Israel ready to make both war and peace (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20498212).

"....Yitzhak Shamir reputedly played a role...." Meaning you can't prove he did or not. Strange thing but you may have heard that whole arrest and trial thing requires evidence linking someone to a criminal act, rumours alone are not enough.

"....The Stern Gang disbanded into the Herut Party...." The Herut party was a right-wing party with support from many Jews, not just those from the Stern Gang. The Stern Gang alone was too small a formation to provide the electoral base which was acrued by Herut. Indeed, some members of Lehi formed the left-wing Reshimat HaLohmim political party. Try again!

"....The only difference between the Arabs and Jews...." Whilst there are many differences between the Jews and the Arabs, the biggest difference between Arabs and Jews is that the Jews wanted Israel to be an educated democracy and formed a democratic system of secular government that allowed them to remove leaders they disagreed with. Whilst Judaism is important to them, for the majority of Israelis it does not cloud their every decision. The Arabs have had to endure the same loser dictators because they have always had a feudal and clan-based mess, riddled with cronyism and neopetism, and have all too often fallen back on 7th century religious teachings rather than modern education. Even in Egypt, a country with a large number of very educated people, it is all to easy to find reasonable and thoughtful people that dissolve into a fit of hysterical rage at the mention of Israel because they have been inculcated from an early age to do so. If it happens in educated Egypt, what hope is there in Gaza where Hamas deliberately keeps the people poor and uneducated.

Re: "The Stern Gang was dissolved in 1948,"

Wall of which has nothing to do with the current problem of Hamas shooting rockets at Israeli civilians out of Gaza, seven years after the Israelis withdrew from Gaza and pulled out all the settlers from the area despite there being historic proof of Jews living in the area for thousands of years. Are you going to insist on the right of return of Jews to Gaza? Does that mean you want to insist on a "settlement freeze" to stop all reconstruction in Gaza just in case they build on what used to be Jewish-owned land?

Re: "they were a splinter group AGAINST the mainstream Jewish political groups

"......So the fact that the Stern Gang was just a faction of Irgun absolves every Jew who did not participate with them but failed to help the British authorities capture them...." <Sigh> If only you had actually read their history rather than just the anti-semite attack pieces. Shamir himself was captured by the British twice, and on both occaissions it was due to information from the Jewish Hagannah, the mainstream Jewish defence force.

".....And its murderous behavior catapulted two charter members of the Stern Gang, Shamir and Begin into the office of Prime Minister of Israel....." The Stern Gang was dissolved in 1948 having lost all support amongst the general Jewish population. It was their actions AFTER that, after they had embraced the general Jewish consensus, which garnered popular support and eventual political success. Shamir wasn't even elected to the Knesset until 1973, a full quarter of a century after he returned to Israel from exile. It wasn't until 1986 he became PM. Begin was a member of the Irgun, not the Stern Gang, a completely different splinter group. Again, they were disbanded in 1948 and Begin embraced the mainstream Jewish political views. Begin did go just about straight into politics in 1948, forming the Herut party that later became Likud. Again, it was over twenty-five years until he became PM, not until 1977. So to pretend their activites prior to 1948 were a major cause of them being elected is pathetic.

"....Here's one for crayon...." Oooh, that has so much to do with the modern-day problem of Hamas shooting rockets out of Gaza - not! Try again!

RE: crayon-up-his-nose

"....Palestinian officials said Britain and the US had pressed Abbas to sign a confidential side letter....." Would that be the same Fakeistinian officials that insist Israeli soldiers kill Arab kids and use their blood to make Passover bread? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel#20th_century_and_beyond)

"In an address that aired on Al-Aqsa TV, a Hamas run TV station in Gaza, on March 31, 2010, Salah Eldeen Sultan (Arabic: صلاح الدين سلطان), founder of the American Center for Islamic Research in Columbus, Ohio, the Islamic American University in Southfield, Michigan, and the Sultan Publishing Co., and described in 2005 as "one of America's most noted Muslim scholars," alleged that Jews kidnap Christians and others in order to slaughter them and use their blood for making matzos. Sultan, who is currently a lecturer of Muslim jurisprudence at the Cairo University stated that: "The Zionists kidnap several non-Muslims [sic] – Christians and others... this happened in a Jewish neighborhood in Damascus. They killed the French doctor, Toma, who used to treat the Jews and others for free, in order to spread Christianity. Even though he was their friend and they benefited from him the most, they took him on one of these holidays and slaughtered him, along with the nurse. Then they kneaded the matzos with the blood of Dr. Toma and his nurse. They do this every year. The world must know these facts about the Zionist entity and its terrible corrupt creed. The world should know this."

Bad enough it was just an one-off occurence, but it wasn't, and here's just a few more examples:

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=727

http://www.wildolive.co.uk/blood_libel.htm - Abbas's own newspaper caught lying.

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=779 - former PNA Deputy Minister.

In short, if the PNA claimed the sky was blue I'd have to go look out the window just to be sure. They have gotten so used to lying about "Israeli attrocities" they even like using pics of dead children from other conflicts to accuse Israel with - even the UN workers are at it! (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/u-n-media-employee-tweets-bloody-photo-of-palestinian-child-from-2006-but-attributes-it-to-current-airstrikes/). Maybe you'd like to go do some reading about Pallywood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallywood), I think you've been watching a few too many of their productions.

Re: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"...."The post-World War Two partition of British India was a blood-drenched mess."....." One not of British making. Indeed, it was the Muslim League that started the call for a seperate Islamic state for Muslims in British India. Jinnah, the first president of Pakistan, had actually been working to a one state solution for Hundus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Muslims before the Muslim League started making demands.

"....Another conservative Republican wish....." Please supply a link to corroborate that this was ever a "Republican wish". I see you do not contend that the eventual partitioning fo the Yugoslavian union was both inevitable and a good thing, and also steer well clear of admitting the NATO intervention saved Muslim lives.

"....Aw, Matt, didn't you read this?....." I did, it has nothing relating to Israel.

"....I was pointing out to you that England hasn't had a decent Foreign Policy...." Hmmm, gaining control of a strategic island that gave the British fleet a safe harbour to dominate the Eastern Med - seems like a good move to me.

"....I thought my point was that after the UN granted Israel statehood they pissed on more resolutions than they've respected....." Yes, and the Fakeistinians and Arab nations have respected every UN resolution - NOT!

"....A ruse to get smaller nations to put their soldiers under the command of NATO....." Laughable! Many UN deployments contain no contributions by NATO countries. And the UN SC, whch has to unanimously agree any deployments of peacekeepers, includes non-NATO Russia and China. Try again!

"....Do you have any citations showing that Arabs who fled the fighting were allowed back in...." They weren't by their Arab "hosts". Arab refugees were herded into camps and kept there, and any that stated a desire to go live in peace in Israel were treated as collaborators.

"......The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years...." Apart from the fact the local Arab population had been massively boosted by economic immigration drawn to the work given by new Jewish farms and settlements, the returning Jews were descendents of Jews that left the area due to Islamic persecution. If you want to insist on right of return of Arabs then you have to accept the right of return of ALL the Jews in the World, about 13.4m of them. It's only "fair".

"....Did you used to be a teacher?" Even in old age I haven't the patience to be a good teacher, and as a youngster I would definately not have! Besides, I don't have the PC mindset required.

Re: crayon-up-his-nose

"You haven't addressed the fact that a leader of a terrorist group, Yitzhak Shamir, was eventually made a leader of Israel....." Shamir was a commander in the Lehi, not the outright leader. He was arrested twice by the British and finally exiled in 1946, not returning until after 1948. But here's the biggest hole in your comparison - after 1948, after the state of Israel had been decalred, Shamir went into business and ran several commercial companies. He finally returned to working for Mossad in 1955, long after it became clear the Arabs had no intention of making peace with Israel. When he served as Foreign Minister he oversaw the negotiations with Egypt that normalised relations and the Israeli withdrawl from the Sinai. So Shamir has a track record of working towards peace unmatched by any Fakeistinian leader.

"....He is a spineless US poodle....." What, because he doesn't say or do what you want?

".....I missed the part ...." Yeah, I can see you missed a whole lot of information in your years. Go read up on WHY Ban Ki Moon and Caroline Ashton made such statements, you'll find plenty of evidence of the remarks made by several Iranian politicians as well as Ahm-mad-in-a-dinnerjacket and the Grand Aya-troll. Oh, sorry, did I just ask you to go do some research and not just be spoonfed all your thoughts?

"....Please point to any credible source which says there is conclusive evidence that Iran has an ongoing nuclear weapons program...." It's called the IAEA reports, go read them.

"....the last (only?) batch of fuel sold to Iran by Argentina in 1992 is estimated to last 10-20 depending on what capacity Iran operated the reactor at....." Don't forget the material sold to them by Russia, enough to last fifty-plus years, and the fact that the current production rates (as conservatively estimated by the IAEA) would allow Iran to fuel 20 of the same size medical reactors BEFORE we consider that Iran is increasing enrichment. Sorry, but the "medical reactor fuel" joke just doesn't fly, not unless you include on the tip of Iranian missiles.

"....So what is your point again?...." My point is there were Jewish families in the area that were driven out by Arabs, so surely if you support right to return then that means Jews can return to the many Jewish areas in the West Bank they were living long BEFORE 1948, which means any Fakeistinian building in those areas should also be frozen. If you want to claim a "settlement freeze" on alleged Fakeistinian land then it should apply to known Jewish land too. The fact that Israel does not insist on it is because Israel wants to negotiate, whereas Abbas uses it as an excuse to avoid talks.

".....Netanyahu deliberately humiliated Biden and rubbed Obama's nose it by announcing the new settlements during Biden's visit to Israel...." The Israeli Defence Ministry announced the SECURITY APPLICATION for the new building had been approved, not any actuall bulding work. It wasn't Bibi or even any member of the cabinet, and what was announced was that a building application had passed one of the many stages required and it did not mean that any building was actually happening or even cleared to go ahead, just that another stage of the application process had been completed. Abbas immediately used it as an excuse and sheeple like you blew it out of all proportion and bleated "The Eeeeevul Joooooo Bibi announced they are building in Jeruslem!" If only you had thought to actually go and look at the facts rather than just rebleating the lie.

".... And don't you whine that "they started it"...." Why? Because exposing the fact that the Israeli arrests and killings of targeted terrorists were in repsonse to random suicide bombings and drive-by shootings by Fakeistinians on Israeli civilians would completely undermine your non-argument?

"....Said barrier of which an estimated 10% is built on stolen Palestinian land....." Allegedly Fakeistinian land, and in response to suicide bombings. If the Fakeistinians hadn't made terror attacks the barrier wouldn't be there. What galls you is that it stopped the killing of Jews.

"....When settlers attacks Palestinians, the Israeli authorities say they will investigate and more often than not no charges are pressed...." Israel arrests and charges those it can find evidenec against. The Fakeistinians make theirs public heroes.

"....The negotiations towards a final settlement is with the President of the PA, who currently is Abbas...." Abbas has no legality, he has over-run his period in office and denied new elections becuase he knows he will lose.

"....So what was your point again?...." Israel has democracy, and even if you don't like any of the parties involved they abide by the law and electoral process. The Fakeistinians use elections and pretend at democracy when they need to, otherwise they circumvent it and change the laws to suit.

"....http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/middle-east-north-africa/israel-palestine/98-squaring-the-circle-palestinian-security-reform-under-occupation.aspx...." An opinion piece, not actual proof of any collaboration event. Indeed, it undermines your argument by stating that the PNA was obliged to work with the IDF (under the Oslo Accord). Fail.

"....http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/fatah-asked-israel-to-help-attack-hamas-during-gaza-coup-wikileaks-cable-shows-1.331654...." Gosh! You mean Fatah asked Israel for help to stop Hamas murdering Fatah members? What a surprise! Well, not really, seeing as the US was also publicly asking Israel to protect Fatah members. It is also a long stretch from asking the Israelis to stop Hamas slaughtering Fatah goons to the collaborative assassinations you claimed. Try again!

"....Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that the authority must decide whether it wants "peace with Israel or peace with Hamas." Sounds like an explicit threat......" Wow! So he didn't stop Hamas or Fatah people meeting, he didn't bomb any meeting venue or threaten to lock them all up, he just said they had to choose seeing as Hamas has declared it will never make peace with Israel and refuses to recognise Israel. To merge the PNA with Hamas on the terms Hamas demands would mean the PNA would be in breach of the Oslo Accords again, which is actually the only legal authority for the creation of the PNA in the first place. It would effectively make the Oslo Accords null and void, effectively returning the Fakeistinians to war with Israel. Fail!

"....continued Israeli actions such as denying permits for Palestinians to build new homes...." You obviously didn't read on how Bahgouti and Abbas have cornered the concrete franchise in teh West Bank and control all imports of cement. They wouldn't bother if there was no market, which measn the Fakeistinians must be doing plenty of building, despite your allegations.

"....arbitrary and humiliating searches...." Stop and search by police occurs all over the civilised World, I'm surprised you think it shouldn't happen to deter terror attacks in the West Bank. Oh, I see - it's because it DOES deter terror attacks and stop Jews being killed that you're upset about it.

"....can only fuel Palestinian resentment and result in eventual violence....." So, you think that causes resentment and violence, not such things as teaching Fakeistinian kids to deny the Holocaust, that Israel should be destroyed, that Jews are "pigs and apes" and that the day will come when all Jews will be killed by righteous Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_textbook_controversy)? Well, that's not just a problem in Fakeistinian schools, it's also repeated in schools and mosques accross the Islamic countires of the World. They even bring such anti-semitic teachings to Western countries (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11799713). Gee, do you think that might have an impact?

But I'll leave an Arab to kick the biggest holes in your nonsense. Khaled Abu Toameh is an Arab Israeli journalist not above criticising Israel for NBC News and the Wall Street Journal, but he has made several simple statements that destroy your arguments. In 2009, Toameh declared that: "Israel is a wonderful place to live and we are happy to be there. Israel is a free and open country. If I were given the choice, I would rather live in Israel as a second class citizen than as a first class citizen in Cairo, Gaza, Amman or Ramallah." In the Durban Review Conference, Toameh criticized Israeli Arab Knesset members for supporting extremism and calling Israel a "state of apartheid" rather than fighting for the rights of Arab citizens of Israel: "And then they come here to tell us that Israel is a state of apartheid? Excuse me. What kind of hypocrisy is this? What then are you doing in the Knesset? If you are living in an apartheid system, why were you allowed, as an Arab, to run in the election? What are you talking about? We do have problems as Arabs with the establishment here. But to come and say that Israel is an apartheid state is a big exaggeration. I am not here to defend Israel, but I think that Knesset members like this gentleman are doing huge damage to the cause of Israeli Arabs. I want to see the Knesset member sitting in the Knesset, in Jerusalem, and fighting for the rights of Arabs over there." Oops, looks like someone left the herd, the other sheeple will be furious! Don't worry, the PLO already labeled him a "traitor" for daring to speak the truth.

"....Are you stupid or are you really stupid...." Well, going by the measure that I have debunked all your wild statements and propaganda, whereas you can't do so with mine, I'd have to say you're not really qualified to be judging stupidity. Indeed, I'm surprised you can even type!

"....Lehi (Stern Gang) used terrorism to fight for an Israeli state....." No, they were a splinter group AGAINST the mainstream Jewish political groups which did negotiate with the British and the UN. Hamas IS the mainstream Fakeistinian group.

"....This Israeli state directly resulted in the Palestinian problem....." No, the rejection of the UN Partition Plan and subsequent Arab attempts to eradicate Israel led to the "Palestinian problem".

"..... giving rise to the PLO and later Hamas...." Wrong again! The Stern Gang was dissolved in 1948, the PLO didn't arise until 1964 and Hamas until 1987. But the local Arabs had been attacking the Jews for years even before the Mandate, having been regularly punished by the Ottoman Turks for terrorising Jewish neighbourhoods and farmers. I suggest you go and read up on events such as the attacks on Jews at Safed in 1834 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safed_plunder) and subsequent trial and execution of the Arab attackers. I've already pointed out the case of Silwan where Jews had to be moved by the Brits for their own safety. A little historical knowledge might dent those blinkers you wear.

".....who are using largely the same tactics as what the Stern Gang used...." The Stern Gang wanted an end to control of Jewish emigration to Palestine. When the Brits withdrew they got that, they didn't carry on fighting Britain but instead fought the Arabs. When Israel pulled out of Gaza it didn't stop Hamas demanding all of Palestine and the destruction of Israel.

"......Arafat and Abbas have largely adhered to the Oslo Accords....." Laughable attempt at denial! Besides the continued attempts at violence against Israelis from the West Bank areas under PNA control, there is the not so small matter of Hamas, the elected representatives of the Fakeistinians, rejecting the Accord outright.

"....If Israel wants peace with those other Arab nations then reach "Oslo Accords" with them as well...." It's called UN SC Resoluiton 242, try reading it sometime, sunshine. Best get an adult to help you with the long words.

"....if the US manages to install a puppet government in Syria...." LOL! The paranoia never ends with this one! Suddenly the Syrian matter, where many times more civillians have been killed than in the recent events in Gaza, yet your fear is an American puppet government? Oh, I forgot (well, not really, but we can pretend for dramatic effect) - Hamas and Hezbollah are bestest buddies with Assad! No wonder you don't want him to fall, no matter how many thousands of people he kills. It's all justified if he helps with your desire to kill the Eeeevul Jooooooooos!

"If true...." FAIL! You don't even know the history of the Islamic groups you so blindly support. Try a little reading - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni.

"....the Stern Gang's playbook, when they tried to ally with the Nazis to fight against the hated British...." The Stern Gang were a splinter group that split from the mainstream Jewish groups in 1940 after the Irgun declared they would fight and work diplomaticly with the British during the war. The Stern Gang were never a majority group amongst the Jews in the Palestine Mandate and lost their little support when news of their failed attempts to contact the Fascists were publicised. Hamas and Fatah and the other Fakeistinian loony-tune Islamic groups ARE the mainstream - demonistaion of Jews and the desire to eradicate Israel are the accepted norm. Abbas is attacked by the Fakeistinains every time he dares to pander to the West by suggesting that the two-state solution is the only viable longterm answer. Your attempts to equate a redundant Jewish splinter group with mainstream Fakeistinian politics is simply laughable.

"....can you point to any instance in which Iran called on the Palestinians (or even just Hamas) to destroy Israel?...." Iran not only regularly directly threatens the destruction of Israel and provides material and economic support to Hamas, it also refuses to recognise Israel. Don't worry, I know you're going to go off with that well-practiced apologist schpiel, claiming it's all "mis-translations", etc, we've heard that male bovine manure before. Instead go argue directly with Ban Ki Moon (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/ban-ki-moon-condemns-threats-143109637.html) and Caroline Ashton (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/18/us-iran-israel-eu-idUSBRE87H06820120818). They'll probably be more pateint and not call you a moron like I would.

And then we're off into some fantasy land regarding Iran's nuke activities! Truly priceless stuff! Shame you forgot to read up on Iran's commitments under the NPT which gave Iran the nuke tech in the first place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty#Iran). Iran hasn't "developed" anything, all the tech has been foreign supplied, either legally by the West or illegally by countries like Pakistan and North Korea.

"....they convert the "surplus" into fuel for their medical reactor...." Iran has a tiny medical reactor that alerady has a stock of fuel to last it decades. Trying to pretend that Iran is innocently stockpiling highly-enriched uranium for medical purpose is like Hamas and Hezbollah claiming they are smuggling in long-range Fajr-5 rockets from Iran just for Guy Fawkes Night displays!

".....Aside from the fact that Palestinians have the innate right to build on their own land...." But, as I showed with the simple example of Silwan and East Jerusalem, you can't state all of the West Bank is unquestioningly their land. It is a double-standard to insist Israel has a building freeze unless the Fakeistinians do also, but Israel agreed to it for ten months becasue they wanted talks. Abbas insists on it because he doesn't.

".... the failure of the Barak and previous Netanyahu governments to return Area B & Area C to the Palestinians would count as such...." Return of those areas to Fakeistinian control was conditional on there being an improvement in security, i.e. no terror attacks. That didn't happen, indeed until the Barrier went up the suicide bombers were being sent to kill Israeli civillians with almost clockwork regularity. Even after the Barrier violent attacks against Israeli settlements in the West Bank continued, in breach of the Oslo Accord terms. You also fail to realise the Oslo Accord was an agreement between Israel and Fatah, but now Hamas is the elected representatives of the Fakeistinians, and they reject the Accord outright because their only solution is the eradication of Israel.

".....Elections were held once, the "international" community didn't like the results...." Yes, because the Fakeistinian people CHOSE a party they knew was designated a terrorist organisation. Pretty stupid when you're dependent on Western handouts.

"....The political opponents eliminated were mostly either requested by Israel...." Please provide proof of collaboration between Fatah and Israel or I'll simply put that statement in the "blindly ranting" bin.

".....or those Israel would've liked to see eliminated anyway....." Probably true, seeing as Fatah killing jihadi footsoldiers saves the IDF the job. But again, you haven't shown any collusion, it's just wild accusations. Sitting here in the UK I'm quote happy to see Fatah killing or locking up Islamic Jihad and Hamas goons, are you going to accuse Abbas and myself of being in cahoots?

".....Anytime there are attempts at reconciliation between Fatah and Hamas, Israel is there ready to oppose and disrupt....." Really? Please do provide proof of this, actual concrete actions to disrupt any reconcilliation. It is not illegal for Israel to say it does not want Hamas to cuddle up with Fatah as Hamas does not recognise Israel, does not want to negotiate, and has the stated aim of destroying Israel. But Israel has no ability to interfere with any reconcilliation other than voicing disproval. Truth is there is nothing stopping Hamas and Fatah except Hamas and Fatah, and blaming it all on the Eeeevul Jooooooos is simply self-delusion.

".....renunciation of violence, recognition of Israel....." Partial compliance is not compliance. Still, despite the Fakeistinians not living up to their full commitments, Israel has returned areas of the West Bank to PNA control as a measure of good faith. Abbas and his cronies like it becasue they get to set up their own little franchises in the West Bank to line their own pockets, paid for by Wsetern handouts. Reconcilliation with Hamas threatens those little scams and control of the handouts. Making Western handouts conditional on the Fakeistinians actually making economic changes has largely been thwarted by the resistance to anti-corruption measures insitgated by PNA PM Salem Fayad. That is the real reason Abbas will hold off on reconcilliation with Hamas and avoid talks with Israel, because he and his corrupt Fatah cronies are quite comfie as they are.

".....Isn't it up the killers to prove that the killed were militants?...." Isn't it a first step to identify the killers, THEN proceed to try them? You cannot prove who the killers were, indeed your own source mentions Afghan government forces, not US ones.

"....Why did Nato claimed militants were killed then denied operation took place?...." NATO denied Allied involvement in that particular part of the operaion, not that the killings took place. Afghan forces would have reported any millitants killed as part of intelligence reporting procedures. That still doesn't put any US personnel at the scene with a smoking gun, it just looks like more POSSIBLY unjustified Afghan-on-Afghan violence. Or just millitants killed by Afghan forces.

"....As has been reported in the media...." Great, so it must be really easy for you to supply some links to back up your claims, right? Oh, you don't. This is my surprised face, honest!

Re: Matt, you said "Haj Amin al-Husseini (Arafat's uncle) sided with Hitler."

"....The creation of Israel was immoral and unjust...." So then I presume you also disagree with the creation of Pakistan or Jordan or any other country created/split due to ethnic differences and war? Want to suggest the UN/NATO should have just kept out of the former Yugoslavia and left the Serbs to slaughtering whomever they liked? Oh, and before you start on your next "The Man hates Muslims" schpiel, please do recall that the US-led NATO activity in Bosnia was largely to protect Muslims being ignored by the handwringing UN. The UN passed plenty of resolutions then too, but it took US military action to save the Bosnian Muslims.

".....as the result of the Cyprus Convention...." SCHWING! Did you just evade off into another and completely unrelated topic? Why, yes you did! Did I expect that? Why, yes I did! Come on, try and stay on-subject for just once, I dare you.

".....Another turning point in the history of the Middle East came when oil was discovered...." <Yawn> There is virtually no oil in Israel or the West Bank, and certainly not enough to effect the old Empire's decisions.

".....culminated in the 1947 United Nations plan to partition Palestine...." Gosh! And there I was convinced you were just going to blame the whole mess on us nasty, imperial Brits.

".... While the Jewish leaders accepted it, the Arab leaders rejected this plan...." Key point - acceptance led to the right to declare the State of Israel and UN entry, whilst rejection left the Palestinian Arabs effectively without a country (ignoring the 76% of the original Palestine Mandate that had been created as Arab-only Transjordan, now called Jordan). Unfortunately you forgot to mention the Arab reasoning behind their decision - it wasn't because they denied Jews had lived there for centuries or were living there at the time; it wasn't because the Jews had threatened to expand and invade neighbouring Arab countries; it was becuase the Arabs' religious leaders could not stand the idea of a Jewish homeland and their political leaders saw the chance to grab more land for themselves.

"......About 800,000 Palestinians fled from areas annexed by Israel and became refugees in neighbouring countries, thus creating the "Palestinian problem," which has bedevilled the region ever since. Approximately two-thirds of 758,000—866,000 of the Jews expelled or who fled from Arab lands after 1948 were absorbed and naturalized by the State of Israel...." So the Israelis welcomed their Jewish cousins whilst the Arabs herded their Muslim bretheren into refugee camps and refused them even basic rights.

"....upstart (3 year old) United Nations...." Built on the League of Nations, instituted by US Prez Wilson as a means of castrating the European Empires after the Great War. If you want to denigrate the UN then, why do you insist it is incapable of error now? Surely by dissing it you remove any value in arguing about UN resolutions? Would you like to borrow a gun to shoot yourself in the other foot too?

"....As the fighting draws near, he takes his wife and children out of harm's way....." Ah, you were doing reasonably well up until you repeated that myth. Arab leaders and their religious leaders ordered the majority of Arab "refugees" to get out of the way so they could set about murdering the Jews and stealing their lands and goods. The U.S. Consul-General in Haifa, Aubrey Lippincott, wrote on April 22nd 1948 that "local mufti-dominated Arab leaders" were urging "all Arabs to leave the city, and large numbers did so." The Arabs complied because they thought they would get a slice of the rewards at the cost of their Jewish neighbours. Indeed, many were threatened that if they stayed they would be in turn attacked when the Jews had been driven out (The Economist, a frequent critic of the Zionists, reported on October 2, 1948: "Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to leave... it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."). When the promised "divine Islamic victory" didn't happen they didn't think to say to their leaders "Hey, you were wrong", instead they let themselves be directed by the same failed leaders into more fighting with the Eeeevul Joooooos. The Arabs that stayed became Israeli citizens whilst the Arabs neighbours set about ethnicly-cleansing their countries of any Jews.

".....not fair...." Fair is a word for children and plays no part in real World politics. Using "fair" is the admission that your argument is emotional rather than rational. Is it "fair" that some kids go hungry whilst others don't? Is it any less "fair" that some get better education than others? Is it "fair" that some kids don't get help with either because their leaders spend their money on weapons? How "fair" is it when they also divert foreign aid to buying more weapons (or just lining their private bank accounts)? Which is less "fair" and deserves more action? The Fakeistinians are the most subsidised people on Earth - more than the Sudanese, more than the Bosnians, more than the Bangladeshis, more than any people in the Americas, Africa, Asia or Europe - with more money spent on them than even the Live Aid events raised for the starving in Ethiopia. You think such a much smaller amount of people with such a vast amount of money thrown at them might have managed to build an economy and be prosperous by now, but instead they have thrown it all away on trying to kill Jews (and Westerners that they convinced themselves were the root of all their problems). Is that "fair"?

".....The laws which the rich, white nations used to plop down hundreds of thousands of one people onto to the land of another people...." You yourself posted earlier in the same post that Jews were already living there and had been living there for thousands of years. The whole UN Partition Plan was about dividing the 24% of the Mandate left after Arab-only Transjordan by looking at existing Arab and Jewish areas. The ones that wanted to "plop down...people onto the land of another people" were the Arabs that tried to drive ALL Jews from Palestine, regardless of how long they had been there. Damn, I think you've run out of your own feet to shoot, you'll have to start on caryon-up-his-nose's.

Once again, you are very adept at regurgitating quotes and passages without understanding either the real issue or the events in question. You seek re-inforcement of your own political dogma through selective reading and do not examine either history or modern day facts. Fail!

Re: Kadosh Kadosh Kadosh was the Security Council's decree establishing Israel.

"And every Security Council resolution about Israel....." Like the cherrypicked list of Resolutions you quoted! Shall we take a closer look at 242, notably absent from your list, and issued after the Six Day War? Maybe you forgot to mention it seeing as it is part of the basis of the Oslo Accord which the Fakeistinians signed up to but have not adhered to. The second of the key principles of 242 is as follows:

"Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

Now, consider that of the Arab states directly involved in that War - Syria, Egypt and Jordan - Syria has not signed a peace treaty with Israel and still openly aids Hezbollah in attacking Israel. Hardly letting Israelis "live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force". Of the other Arab states that did involve in direct combat with Israel, did send expeditionary forces and/or material support to Egypt, Syria, Jordan and the PLO - Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Kuwait, Tunisia, Sudan - none have signed a peace treaty with Israel, and all have been guilty of funding directly or indirectly terrorist attacks on Israeli civillians. So, to try and claim only Israel is in breach of UN SC Resolutions is self-delusion of the highest order.

"....Queen Elizabeth's uncle sided with Hitler too....." I don't recall Edward VII taking up arms and joing the SS or working in the deathcamps. Maybe you should have a quick peek here (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images:Islamic_Nazism).

"No Arab states are currently (or as policy) calling for the destruction of Israel...." Iran supports Hamas and calls for the destruction of Israel. I suppose you will try and weasel out by claiming Iran is Persian and not Arab. Whatever. It won't help the Fakeistinians, they have a habit of siding with losers, just like when Haj Amin al-Husseini (Arafat's uncle) sided with Hitler. Gee, I wonder which one of Hitler's policies appealed to the Muslims that joined the SS?

".... the Palestinians also have a right to defend themselves....." How is the Fakeistinians shooting rockets out of Gaza at Israeli civillians a defensive act? How is sending suicide bombers onto Israeli buses and to shopping malls a defensive act? They are acts of aggression, definitie war crimes, and murder when they succeed.

"....They withdrew from Gaza...." So you finally admit they withdrew from Gaza. Nice to see something got through the blinkers.

"....there is a total sea and air blockade, and near total land blockade...." You fail to ask why. The blockade was set up to stop Hamas and Fatah smuggling arms into Gaza. If Hamas and Fatah had both refrained from attacking Israel out of Gaza the blockade would have been long gone. Instead, Hamas seized power and set about turning Gaza into a war base to attack Israel. Do you seriously think the Israelis were going to stand by and let Hamas arm up as much as they like? Monumental fail. It is not only completely legal, there are endless numbers of precedents where countries restrict the flow of weapons and war material to those attacking them. In both World Wars, the Allies mounted a blockade of Germany to stop war materials being shipped to German armaments factories.

".....And as long as Gaza is blockaded and the West Bank is occupied there will always be the threat of rockets....." So you actively support the use of murderous and criminal violence rather than negotiation to solve the problem? Then you get what you ask for - Israel will respond in kind. Every time the rockets get too bothersome - like when Iran is trying to hide news of their upping their uranium refinement efforts - Israel will mount a larger operation to reduce the Fakeistinians' ability to attack. As Hamas hides behind women and kids, this will unfortunately mean those women and kids will probably also die, but then that it the fault ofHamas and the idiots like you that think they can win through violence.

"....Abbas wants Israel to commit to a total stop to the building of settlements....." As already pointed out, not only is this a stupidly biased idea when there are no pre-reqs on the Fakeistinians to do likewise, but Abbas also moves the goalposts every time he needs to. Meanwhile he has completely failed to implement the pre-reqs of the Oslo Accord, including holding free and fair elections (he has usurped Hamas, the elected government party, overstayed his term as President, and eliminated his political opponents in the West Bank). Yet Israel doesn't ask for pre-reqs to every round of talks, because Israel is willing to negotiate. The Fakeistinians are not.

"....When the Afghan side insisted that those killed were civilians...." What, you mean the probably Taleban-sympathetic Afghans? You also seem to have skated over the fact this was a JOINT-operation, so it could have been Afghan forces doing any killings, even if you did prove they were civillians which you have not. And that is beside the point that the Taleban are very adept at claiming any fighters killed are "civillians", just for numpties like you that want to believe.

".....the ideology of Lehi (aka the Stern Gang)....." Which has nothing to do with modern war crimes commited by Hamas or Fatah. Trying to excuse the massive and continued practice of war crimes by refering back to a previous event is self-delusion. You didn't even manage to accuse Yitzhak Shamir of any crimes, just said "he was in this group, it had an ideology, therefore it justifies war crimes." Frankly, that's pathetic. Just admit it, you're an anti-semite and see Hamas's war crimes as justified because they are trying to kill Jews.

"..... Israel was founded on terrorism....." Israel was founded by an act of the UN Security Council, unanimously approved. The Fakeistinians could have also have founded their own state but instead chose terror and murder. They lost then and will continue to lose until they abandon violence and make a real go of negotiations. Until they realise that, morons like you will unquestioningly support their acts and swallow whatever twisted reasoning they give you. Enjoy your stupidity, it will probably last all your lifetime as there is SFA chance of the Fakeistinians wising up.

Re: Re: "....The French version was harder to produce than you might think....."

"What are you doing with the defense minister of La France?" Upsetting Dassault, apparently. Allegedly, etc.

Re: Bitter AC

Hey, it's one of those Sunshiners in the room! Aw, did someone hurt your ickle feelings? Hey, not my fault if you couldn't see the issues before the Sunset, but hope you didn't lose too much on the shares.

/SP&L

Re: Anyone ever heard of due diligence

"....Firstly, $36 billion is hardly pedantic bean counting......" Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, wriggle, yeah! Sorry, but I can't read all that accounting male bovine manure without LMFAO as a backing track. You made a statement, I showed it to be false, therefore your continued blathering just makes you more of an object of ridicule. You insisted they had a habit of writing off all their acquisitons' value, I said that would be closer to $70bn and all you can stretch it to is "....They have written off $17 billion in value on acquisitions...." Put your "Accountancy For Dummies" away and just admit you were wrong.

".....that is exactly what HP is asking you to believe...." No, hp are STATING that there was a deliberate and massive fraud, that is not the same as minor and accidental accounting errors. Boy, you really are desperate to think the worst of hp, did they turn you down for a job?

"......None of the practices HP mentions are necessarily fraudulent or illegal......" So firstly you state there were only minor and accidental "not crossing the T's" incidents, then you talk about practices? So now you DO admit it was more than just minor errors. Make up your mind! I can see why hp didn't hire you. And, Shirley, you would actually have to have some legal authority to be able to declare if any such practices were legal or not, and we've already ascertained you are not working for the CPS, SFO or a judge, so I suggest you wait for those legal authorities to actually do their jobs before blindly claiming legality.

"..... I do work for a technology company that competes with HP in some areas...." Ah, say no more! I didn't realise hp were in the organic fertiliser business.

Re: Anyone ever heard of due diligence

"......They also have $36 billion in goodwill....." And there's the evasion and weasel-words! I don't doubt you work in the channel, you definately have that bean-counter mentality. But you're just trying to fudge the numbers to back up a false statement you got called on. You stated: "....They have a history of massively of paying for acquisitions and then writing down their way out of it....." Now you're trying to wriggle out of it by claiming goodwill as well when you can't make th figure out of write-downs. Either admit your initial statement was wrong or face more ridicule. Well, OK, even if you did admit it I admit I'd still ridicule your ranting!

"....A three year old wants their "you don't even know every person in the world" argument back....." I'm sure they would, it was very effective as you were unable to counter it. So, you were unable to counter an argument you claim was of the level of a three-year-old, what does that say about you?

"....I am saying that in any company with thousands of transactions per quarter, you can probably find discrepancies and ts that have not been crossed....." Wriggle, wriggle, evade, evade. Yes, you just got cuaght out again. Trying to pretend a few minor "t's that have not been crossed" would match up to several billion is laughable! Almost on par with a three-year-old's efforts. You then try and pretend that simple accounting innaccuracies would somehow escape the attention of Deloittes and KPMG. Blimey, but your suppositions require a lot of people to not be doing their jobs! A lot more than just one simple argument - Autonomy hid their accounting fraud before the purchase.

Now go back to playing with the other three-year-olds in the channel, and you better play nice or Santa won't bring you that Barbie you want so much.

Re: Re: Yawn

".....it's the sort of thing that would, at least briefly, attract the attention of the school's authorities....." OK, now stop for one moment and try to actually think what the response will be. Do you seriously think the school will just suddenly drop all plans for RFID cards? Of course not, they have already invested in the tech and have a back-end system (catering, etc) dependent on it. Instead, more money will be wasted on security reviews, security upgrades, and police investigations into this skiddie's attack, all paid out of local taxpayers' money. On the other hand, your skiddie "hero" will lap up any attention and set about looking for more (pointless) targets to fire his (downloaded) scripts at, with associated costs to more taxpayers, before he gets jammed up and locked up. Who wins? No-one.