4472 posts • joined 31 Dec 2009
It's sweden why bother?
I mean unless you are going to round up the people you spy on and put them in offshore camps to tortue them - what's the point in spying on them? It's a complete waste of time and money.
Swedish taxpayers should demand that some small visible minority are rounded up (possibly people that don't like meatballs or can't assemble IKEA furniture) - it's the only way to get value for money.
Light goes down a fibre at 200,000km/s so it takes 1/20 s to go half way around the world.
what to people do on facebook that makes a 10ms ping a problem?
Re: Compare to Dental X-Ray
>No proof of course but lots of hosties in their 40's, 50's and 60's have developed lots of nasty cancers that friends in their peer group have not.
Presumably STDs are also caused by altitude then ?
My dog prevented hundreds of attacks
Although none of the operations led to any arrests, drones attacks or anything that could be mistaken for evidence - rest assured that in his own top secret and unidentifiable way, spot prevented 100s of terrorist incidents
Re: Not quite...
RBS needed bailing out because it had retail customers whose savings you were guaranteeing anyway - plus allowing a high st bank to fail would cause a run on all the others.
Bailing out a merchant bank's trading business is very different.
Re: Banking failure
There needs to be better protection for retail banking from their merchant arms but it's not as simple as that.
Presumably you want your savings to pay interest, so you need your retail bank to invest the money - just buying US government securities isn't going to pay for all those branches and pens on chains.
In the days when you had to talk to a bank manager somebody had to pay for that, either you paid bank charges or the bank only allowed accounts from people with plenty of money and paid pathetic interest. We don't go back to women not being allowed accounts without their husband but we do go to women only being allowed an account if they have a BMW
That's the really clever part.
They aren't official so there is no official process or review.
An ISP gets told to block an entire website (like wikipedia, or akamai) because of a single complaint from an unknown person. The ISP doesn't have to do this of course - it can explain to the Daily Mail why it is a fan of child porn.
It's secret censorship by "concerned citizens" - exactly the same problem of official response to an unofficial body that you have with ACPO.
Re: Are there 'other' IWFs?
Yes they are UK based.
They are a charity so there is no government or official oversight over what they say should be banned. There is no need for them to disclose any backers, funders or political ideology. There is no reason for an ISP to use their list other than a Daily Mail backlash if they don't.
You could just as easily decide that Greenpeace, or CND, or the Socialist Workers Party should publish a list and you should use that.
Other countries have their own groups of citizens concerned about the children. Some of these groups also don't like gays, or abortion, or breastfeeding - you have no way of knowing what their agenda is because the lists are secret.
Internet Watch Foundation
Is not a child abuse charity, they do not help abused children. They publish a list of websites that they don't like.
It's like saying Mary whitehouse's National Viewers and Listerners Association is an anti-war charity because they don't like swearing on TV
Re: Funded by the NSA?
On the positive side, a FOI request means you don't need to keep your own backups
Re: Bullshit Damage Limitation
Indeed - the suggestion that a sysadmin earned $200K and had a pole dancer girlfriend suggests that the whole thing is a fantasy
Re: Cost Analysis
The $20M in project costs are worth an investigation on their own.
It will be the first government IT project to only cost $20M since Babbage got a contract to put some brass gears together to print navigation tables
Re: The scary thing...
Similarly with the companies involved =ie. The NSA doesn't have direct access to Google's server
No, It only has access to the switches feeding Google's servers.
But the servers are owned by Google data center inc - a wholly owned subsidiary, which the has NSA access
So we have a department of deniability that handles NSA requests and they are careful that the CEO doesn't know about it.
Re: You're not as special as you think you are.
You are special now - you pay tax.
And you file to pay the extra sales tax on anything bought out of state, and you declare any souvenirs you bring back from a foreign trip, and pay income tax and social security on anything you sell on ebay?
I hope so because the IRS now have a copy of all your internet traffic and all your credit card slips
Re: Gates Buys Private Army !
Getting good staff does seem to be an issue for even the most technologically able evil supervillian.
You can build a planet destroying death star but manager to hire millions of troops that couldn't hit a womp-rat's arse with a banjo.
Re: Menu-driven sentencing is NOT justice: ever heard of three strikes?
Except for the odd corners where the police don't give a fsck or don't have the resources.
So instead of being able to hack a German bank from a computer in Cyprus because they don't have laws against it, you will be able to hack a German bank from a computer in Cyprus because their police have got bigger problems to deal with.
Re: Theory vs Practice
Perhaps a new offence of Coding Under the Influence.
Re: Don't underestimate the Bollocks
Well if Maths is going to be reduced to arithmetic and English to spelling then computer science should be about taking computers out of boxes and plugging them in.
Re: A Sarnia Homecoming is Due.
Never understood why it's such an honour to have a building that everybody hates so much named after you:
Before we can get to Disneyland kids we have to queue for 3hours at Chris Hadfield Airport
We were stuck for 6hours becuase of a delay at Chris Hadfield Airport
Snow at Chris Hadfield Airport has meant a 2nd night for travelers sleeping on the floor.
he still needs to rehabilitate
Following many months in a sterile, airless, weightless vacuum with no atmosphere he will be moving to Ottowa/Toronto/Mississauga (delete as applicable)
Re: including VAT/Sales taxes?
It's illegal to advertise consumer products without VAT.
You have to claim that you are a trade supplier most of your customers are VAT registered to get away with it (cough ebyuer cough)
Nobody got fired for buying IBM
There is no fragmentation in the MVS world
If everyone sticks to running IBM software on IBM mainframes we can ignore all this PC business
Re: Breaking EU law?
Perhaps we are being unfair to these companies?
Perhaps they didn't know the NSA was spying on their data.
Perhaps Goole/Microsoft/Amazon/Facebook/Twitter/etc/etc security is so poor that anybody can walk into their data centers with a reel of fibre under their arm and a splitter and just patch into any of their systems.
Re: Breaking EU law?
Google should be safe - we know that they don't do any business in the Eu outside Ireland.
So only Irish citizens need to worry
Re: Nothing to fear?
> they must have ministerial approval.
The question is do they need ministerial approval for each email/person logged or just a blanket - "we approve you to do whatever you want in the name of national security"
Re: I'm glad a politician has told us everything is ok.
He didn't lie - he said they operate within the law, the law is to do whatever they want.
Re: People use gmail.
The difference being that gmail doesn't, currently), operate off-shore prison camps where you get tortured (if you believe in a certain prophet) or have their own special regiment that come round and shoot you (if you believe in transubstantiation)
a committed atheist – a position he held until his death.
I think he would have liked the joke in that
And Tom Sharpe today as well
Imagine that the US intelligence agencies considered it their patriotic duty to pass on any useful info to American companies vital to US national security, or that possibility that somebody in the US intelligence agencies might be susceptible to a bit of bribery to pass on that info.
If i'm a shareholder in Rolls Royce/Thales/BAe/Airbus/etc and i find that they have been using US email/software/operating. systems/cell phones/cloud providers and any of that commercial data leaked - I think i would have a reasonable case for a shareholder lawsuit against their negligence.
Re: Hello pot, this is kettle.
>There are no dragnet style snooping operations in Canada
There doesn't need to be, unless you are calling Nunavut from the Norther Territories your data is going to go through an American cable and American servers
The CICS has also shown that it puts "national security" ie being nice to the Americans, ahead of the interests of Canadian companies and citizens
Re: Let's start askin our "multi" national hosting providers
Even if they are subject to local laws you can assume that the UK and US inteligence communities consider themselves above the law.
Re: Menwith Hill...
Ahh the gold old days - when we spied on the enemy (at least officially)
Re: Counterterror fail
If the purpose of this was to catch terrorists that would be true.
If the purpose of this is to have some dirt on everybody - just in case - then the more data the better
Re: And for non-US citizens?
>But spying on the citizens of your allies OK then?
That was the origin of the UKUSA agreement.
US president Hoover's swore that he wouldn't spy on Americans "Gentlemen don't read other gentlemen's mail.". Unlike Mr Obama didn't have his fingers crossed. So he got the Brits to intercept US mail and read it and he did the same for them.
A more refined form of lying for a more civilized age.
GCHQ can only spy on Americans / NSA can only spy on Brits
And they hate each other and don't share any info
A bit like when we used to have actual real enemies
Damn good thing too - if we don't spy on all those Americans how can the counter revolution succeed?
Long live King George and the defeat of the North American rebels
Re: A wide variety of threats
Here it's the "threat to national security from the misguided activities of citizens manipulated by foreign interests" ie people who object to running a crude oil pipeline through a seal sanctuary
The government hasn't started calling them terrorists yet....
“The unauthorised disclosure of a top-secret US court document threatens potentially long-lasting and irreversible harm to our ability to identify and respond to the many threats facing our nation,”
No it doesn't - it tells potential terrorists that they will be immediately detected by the all seeing eye of the NSA and so they shouldn't try anything.
It's like claiming that leaking the existence of American nuclear weapons to the USSR put America at risk.
Check your small print - it used to be that if the DSS decided that a claim was invalid/fraudulent they came after you for all the rent you had been paid. If you didn't pay up they seized the property.
So you had full retrospective liability for a benefit claim that you weren't allowed to know any details of - try getting insurance against that!
Re: Paul Crawford
"That would be for a court to decide. They're the only people empowered to make decisions on what is or isn't legal."
They would do the ASBO trick. The material on the list wouldn't have to be proved illegal - circumventing the list to access these sites would itself be illegal, even if the site was on the list by accident
"The national comittee of people who know best" - you aren't allowed to know who is on the comittee because they know best, and you can't see the list because then you might be exposed to naughty stuff - so just keep calm and carry on.
One of the first prosecution under the UK's data protection act was a senior police officer who saw a car parked outside his house had the owner traced and then beat up the man who was knocking off his wife. He got off because he didn't know how to use the computer so had a WPC do the actual typing.
We then had our own PATRIOT act to stop international terrorism. One of it's first uses was by local councils asking fro cell phone location tracking so they could detect people not picking up dog crap. Then they launched total surveilance programs on people who were living outside the catchement area trying to send their kids to a good school.
Re: Illegal content is already illegal
But it worked so well for Australia
Why aren't knife makers doing more to ensure their knives are' used illegally?
>, I imagine a large chunk of the cost of production is in the skill and knowledge of the creator(s), not in the distribution?
Yes that's why authors typically get 95% of the cover price of the book
Re: Green screen
I was picturing Stephen Fry as a sort of clippy.
"i see you are trying to make a comedy program" just drop a Stephen Fry in
So what is microsoft covering up?
Hosted TFS on VisualStudio.com has been stuffed all day
According to wiki it's the anniversary of Emily Davison throwing herself under a horse for womens' votes and the anniversary of a non-Windows software cockup with the ArianeV.
Re: One word. Licensing
Unlikely - monopolies will really hammer them for charging themselves less than a competitor for the same "product".
Especially when they claim that the Azure is a wholely separate business in Timbuktu and doesn't pay any tax anywhere else.
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