Re: As the lid sped into space, it was heard to say ....
By the bowl of petunias?
99 posts • joined 25 Dec 2009
By the bowl of petunias?
"Hasn't stopped them elsewhere"
France doesn't count?
Only way this truly happened is if they hit an auto-responder set up for the ruling.
"It's about time Microsoft understood that."
Right. And the fact that the option YOU use(Notify, no download) exists clearly indicates that they do inderstand.
Not only that, but nowadays (starting with win 8 I believe), you can set a network connection as "Metered" and Windows won't automatically download updates over it (in fact, tethering to a windows phone automatically sets it as metered, I believe).
So what is it you're complaining about?
Or are you just saying that "notify, no downloads" should be the default setting for every Windows install because "laptop tethered to a 4G phone by someone who has no clue how to setup windows" is the majority use case nowadays?
If so I don't agree - as was said earlier in the discussion, defaults need to cover mom & pop use cases. Download AND install. Anything else, the rest of us are able to configure how we want.
But if that diagnostics data was so critical that the ECU would shut the engine down, why did it even allow the engine to start / spin up enough to take off?
Beyond the botched update that deleted the data, there seems to be a critical design flaw there.
Reading this thread, I'm genuinely surprised at the way people are reacting.
For years it seems the "GUI on a server is bad" sentiment has prevailed, and now the sentiment I get from this thread is "Not installing the GUI by default on a server is a slap in the face to small businesses".
I get why many people want the GUI. Lots of interactive crap in the server world still, especially in the small business sector and in legacy apps.
But isn't it enough that it exists as an option? You want it, install it, otherwise you shouldn't?
It seems that defaulting to "it's not there" is a push in the right direction, and having the ability to still add it fully serves everybody that wants it for any reason, be it legacy services or inertia / preference?
I'm personally biased towards the no GUI side, evolved naturally from managing servers at the other end of a very slow link, went from VNC (way back) to RDP, then to running the managemetn apps locally, to "ok, so I only ever again use the GUI to install the server and critical updates" and selectively moved to core installs (except, yes, some legacy stuff that requires server GUI).
"MS posts, Apple posts they always end up with an OS equivalent of a willy waving contest."
Now THAT'd be one weird launch party :)
> Maybe now that everyone's so used to mouse clicking and touch-screen swiping, Microsoft should bundle Colossal Cave and Zork to remind people how to use the keyboard.
Oh god, don't get me started. A while back I happened to look over the shoulder of one of our web guys that saved a change to a php file, switched to the browser, refreshed the page to see the result. You know, what should take 1/3 of a second (CTRL-S, ALT-TAB, F5).
Only he went with the mouse:
- Click the File menu, Click Save
- Go to the task bar, find browser (stacked, of course), find the proper window from the list
- go hit the refresh icon
A grand total of 5+ seconds. (Then back to the editor he went, using the mouse again).
I can't imagine how dysfunctional the tablet generation is going to be!
> "SQL instances will continue to run but specifically there will be no further security updates or “hot fixes”, potentially leaving customers with system vulnerability."
Truth be told, lack of security updates on a 11 years old database is not something that will worry a lot of people. It's not like we can expect another SQL Slammer any time soon, these systems now tend to be very well isolated, and in most case they can keep running worry-free for years. Other hotfixes to resolve bugs / issues could be a problem but you'd again expect that a 10+ years old system is "fit for purpose" and any kinks that matter to a specific customer have been worked out already or they would have migrated to something else.
This is exactly the kind of assumption that leads to data loss.
Any kind of recovery plan needs to be tested on a regular basis, and that certainly includes backups. It's probably not necessary (nor practical) to test full site failover more than once a year, but proving that you can perform a full data restore from backups at least a few times a year should be a given.
It's not like most of the "big names" haven't messed up certificate renewals at some point, but from a crypto outfit on a mission to help secure keys, it made me smile to see the expired certificate :)
But unless I read this wrong, the update being pushed is not Windows 10, it's a promo thing that will invite users to upgrade to Windows 10. So in that sense it's not really any more offensive than said app store upgrade.
I'm really looking forward to the shitstorm this is going to cause, ranging from the thousands of PCs that will be messed up by the update all the way to the unavoidable "Microsoft abuses monopoly again by not offering to install Linux the same way" articles :)
If you run international competitions with "a" computer, you're just as guilty as that guy.
Whatever hardware or OS, if a mission-critical system depends on an improperly managed computer with no backup in case of failure, someone will end up looking like an idiot at some point.
"The laptop controlling the screen crashed right before the start of the game and upon re-start insisted on installing automatic Windows updates."
Windows won't "insist on installing updates" on boot unless the person responsible for that laptop had started updates earlier that required some work on boot, but had not actually rebooted.
I would hate to be the person responsible for that fuckup, especially if it's due to negligence!
Of course it's a Good Thing (tm) when tech CEO use their influence (economic or otherwise) to advance social issues.
But what about when their agenda does not align with what's good for the public?
Is Apple's influence such a good thing when thinking about corporate tax laws, the 100+ billion they're hiding in tax heavens?
Is Google's influence a good thing when the FTC basically states "they're worse than Microsoft ever was, but meh, who cares"?
I don't particularity like the 100 richest people in the world making most of the decisions for the other 7 billion, even if they occasionally happen to align with the common good. And I doubt that anyone here believes that most of these guy's real agendas are good for the masses.
> I should point out that when they were off, they had actually been put into the OFF position inadvertantly. Because I was so used to them being on automatically, it took a while before I realised they were not on when they should have been.
My new car warns me for that. I have the usual ON / OFF / Auto choices, if I have them set to off while it's dark outside I'll get an initial verbal warning and an occasional full-screen notification in the dash. It does come in handy considering the automatic setting behaves well enough that I basically unlearned to turn on the lights by now. (At any rate, there's always enough minimal lights to be seen when the engine is running - in the "off" setting the headlights are actually bright enough to be seen even in sunlight).
I'm of the opinion that car should always light up a lot and not offer drivers much choice about it :)
"Has anyone done any costings of buying a few high reliability eMLC drives vs buying lots of cheap "desktop class" drives, and building a RAID array with lots of hot spares?"
I went through the exercise recently, for a fairly small database (a few TB) that gets massive amounts of I/O, mostly writes. With customer drives I estimated I'd reach the rated write capacity after ~6 months.
In the end however a fairly big showstopper was the fact that most drives would reach end of life at the same time. Either I'd simply retire the entire array after 5 months and cycle all drives (more maintenance than I care for), or just wait to hotswap all drives as they each failed, and pray that I wouldn't have enough concurrent failures to kill the RAID (which seemed like a real possibility if I evenly wore out all drives to their rated lifespan).
The risk just seemed to big.
"Still, if I was running a large server estate and was looking at putting SSDs in them, I would probably now think twice before forking out huge amounts of cash on eMLC kit and I would instead be looking at higher-end consumer drives."
I'm one of the people that recently thought long and hard about doing this - the premium for eMLC is just horrible, but in the end, we felt like we had no choice since this was for a mission critical database.
Comparing SSDs rated for 3 DWPD over 5 years to SSDs rated for ~300 total writes (which over the same 5 years amounts to just about .16 DWPD) does in the end justify the major price difference.
If all of a sudden we can expect much cheaper SSDs to have similar endurance (the results for the 840 Pro adds up to about the same 3 DWPD), it's definitely worth looking at again.
Of course right now it's just anecdotal evidence. Someone has the budget to burn through 1,000 of them and let me know how it goes?
Yeah, because in a theoretical future where even just 25% of workstations run (say, Linux), the NSA will just go "Oh well, we had a good run" and give up.
> For the benefit of the majority of El Reg, the UK is a small island nation to the right of you on a map just past the big bit of water.
I've looked up a map and can't find that place called "You".
"Connected cars, for example, will need near-instant response times if they are to avoid accidents, said Rajeev Suri, speaking to media and analysts at the Mobile World Congress, Barcelona."
Mr Suri: you are completely batshit insane if you think I'll ever drive a car that needs "near-instant response" from a cell phone uplink.
> I wonder how long until they end up like all monopolies, fat and lazy.
I say it happened at least 5 years ago and I believe this is a fair assessment, others will argue for 10 years.
> And no doubt a bright blue LED to let you know when the light is turned off.
This amused me a lot more than it should have. Have an upvote.
"If you are a data center power is your main cost.
For every watt you put into the HW you need 2-3 Watts of AC to get it out again."
Power is your main cost yes, but the numbers for modern data centers are nowhere as bad as that. PUEs in the 3-4 range are either small-scale in-house affairs or very old data centers.
I'm guessing he lives in an area where snow is a super rare occurence - judging by all the stranded cars on a road that wouldn't slow normal traffic down where I live.
As was said, it's all in the tires!
> I feel like I also see Android zealots, Linux zealots, Liberal Democrat zealots, anti-US zealots, Doctor Who zealots, GoPro zealots, north-of-the-river zealots, Sunderland FC zealots, vinyl record zealots, and a million other kinds, all the time.
And they're all crazy. Except for Doctor Who fans obviously.
"yield maximum shareholder value"
I'd be hard pressed to come up with a shorter description of everything that is wrong with Wall Street types.
Forget about building a stable, profitable, long-term business. Just do the puffer fish: look big enough so your shareholders can get rich, screw the thousands of people you'll leave out of a job when it collapses later!
hell, they should be forced to use Windows ME.
FYI we bought a few Surface 1 Pros here in the first batch, they all have BitLocker enabled and none of them had issues with it. So at least in theory yours should work.
Have an upvote for reminding me to follow up on the salad.
> You tell me what "supported lifetime of the device" means and I'll stop ignoring the "at no cost" bit. Undefined words like that don't get added to statements by accident.
Jeebus the retardation level is strong on this topic, so much it hurts the brain.
1. Upgrading to Win10 from launch date to launch date + 1 year is free. If you upgrade during that time period, that is it, you now own Windows 10. The end.
2. For the supported lifetime of the device, you will ALSO get every following versions of windows for free.
True, "supported lifetime of the device" is very blurry but FFS, you are arguing about free upgrades to future versions after Win10, AND transforming this magically in your heads into "Windows 10 will deactivate at some magic date unless you provide a credit card number".
It boggles the mind.
> Oddly enough, running commands is something the Windows shills usually insist is a negative Linux attribute.
There's a genuine difference between "typing the first 2-3 letters of the app you want to run once you open the start menu" (which most users have been doing since the start menus have had a search/run box) and command-line management of a system.
"hit the start button, type WORD" is actually the quicker route but it's pretty dishonest to compare that to command-line management of OS features.
I like Powershell; I understand that most armchair admins only do it part-time and prefer point-and-click. I don't insult them and call them shills if they state that preference.
> The only times I talk to the computer are to hurl insults when it doesn't do what I want, I don't need a reply from it as well, that kind of escalation is only going to end in tears.
Hah, just had a vision of how many monitors I'd puch through if my computers talked back to me when I vent at them :)
"You must have one hell of a gigantic tablet, for 1080p tp make a difference"
Makes the same difference it does on the TV in your living room. The distance at which I watch a movie on a tablet (ex: on plane) makes it fill about the same percentage of my field of vision.
If your tablet supports 1080p resolution, why on earth would you accept an arbitrary 720p limit?
I don't see the exact screen dimension but a previous poster says 820 feet long...
That makes it roughly *1* DPI!
"Which is the exaggeration; the "Sustainable Development" part?"
Sadly no. It's an actual part of the current name.
We're also the world capital of "piss away smart energy choices and build more windmills instead".
We produce massive amounts of hydro power. Lately however, because hydro dams displaces some wildlife and annoys salmons (and is a political mess with native americans), we're instead building countless wind turbines that have a COST per kwh that is about 50% higher than actual electricity RETAIL prices in Quebec.
We do have massive peaks in the coldest days of winter (when it gets below -30). So we COULD use all that wind turbine power if it were available. But see, the problem is this: on these coldest winter days, it's actually never windy. These turbines are basically idling the only time of the year they'd be useful.
The rest of the time, they're basically just another way for politicos to buy votes in regions and grease some friendly palms.
I wondered the same thing, you have to remember the 2nd factor validation for a certain period at least (a few days / weeks) otherwise users will just turn it off. Typically systems will remember it per location (IP/Network), but then it's easy to emulate the same private network.
I'd then guess, actual public network? Some external check of the internet-facing IP the system NATs to, to ping some (Microsoft-provided) external resource. Then just force 2 factor if no network connection is available. There are certainly quite a few security concerns with that too, but most seem solvable at first glance.
> The future for Microsoft and their ilk is most certainly not in selling software, but in selling services.
I believe that is exactly what he stated? You can't get much more service-y than subscription services to hosted & managed enterprise systems.
> That is the general consensus among the professionals of this industry.
No, no it is not. "Forums that you visit" do not make "the industry", no matter how much you'd love it did. There is still a massive proportion of high end corporate IT running on Windows, and excluding these people from your so called "professionals of this industry" list is just childish / wishful thinking.
> With Country, you walk the line.
With Pirate, you walk the plank!
I was gonna say "closing the blinds" defeat this easily, but I guess the damn things will vibrate too.
Absolutely not. Any Visual Studio installer you get from an MSDN sub is a pre-keyed installer that uses a static activation key. That key is perpetual. I've renewed an MSDN sub since the early 2000s and I have many older VS installs that were installed with the original keys (on this system here, either installed directly or on VMs: 2005, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2013). When you renew MSDN you get a new set of keys, not "extensions" on old ones, and I've *never* had a VS (or any other software that comes with MSDN) ask for a new key, ever. I also manage subs for a team of a dozen people, and I guarantee that never happened to any of them either.
> Isn't that a bit like the pot calling the kettle black?
Only if the kettle has round corners.
> Why focus on Apple. Pretty sure Google, Microsoft and others are all as bad.
I'd venture it's because none of those just published its "latest environmental impact report".
Not everything is a conspiracy.
> "Everyone trusted everyone else"
> I really think we did for a while. What happened?
The Internet, I believe...
lol our anonymous coward is true to form :)
and so on!
This reminds me of a "Consultant" that was hired by management to do a code review on a C++ project, and his report started with "There are memory leak in the application, I did a count of NEW and DELETE statements, and there are less DELETEs than NEWs".
While I agree with the basic sentiment expressed (adding security tools like new checked functions should be done in all currently supported operating systems), there's still a big difference between not "patching" Windows 7 (i.e. finding a bug, but not correcting it) and not adding new features (that makes programmers' jobs easier).
Try it with "Microsoft not adding TIFKAM to Windows 7!" and see if these guys are taken seriously :)
> I agree that you'll never prevent a user from clicking "OK" to install malware but there must be something fundamentally "safer" about Unix/BSD/Linux systems.
Of course there is: people that use them tend to be technical-minded people.
As for me, my team manages IT for a herd of sales drones. When the occasional email virii gets past all the protections and reaches their inbox, we *always* get tech support calls from them ranging from "Can you send someone to type in an admin password, so I can track this package delivery?" to "My package delivery tracking program won't run on my tablet".
People keep saying it's the size of the target (i.e. so many more Windows desktop installs than Linux), but the truth is, it's just as much the technical skills of the average user.
Give Linux to my sales drone and they'll bring you back trojan-ridden devices, even if they have to learn to make wine work.
Hmm, I bought about 12 TB of flash storage from EMC in that very same quarter. I think I'll start asking for some kind of preferential treatment seeing how I account for over 2/3 of their flash business :)