297 posts • joined 16 Dec 2009
iirc Drax now has one unit doing biomas fuel the other 5 are undergoing conversion one at a time.
What sort of idiot makes a power station replace high energy concentrate fuel with low energy concentrate fuel that uses a massive amount of fuel to ship it in from the USA ?
what a stupid waste of money; time and energy that is - I wonder whuch politician (or their chums) have their sticky little fingers in that money making scam ?
Re: Oh fsck. Not Lewis Page again.
who don't believe in AGW,
there you go; Science & Engineering do not have room for 'believe in' - they both use demonstrable empiracle FACTS. And models != fact.
I don't not believe in AGW ( and you forgot the all important 'C' for CATASTROPHIC btw; 'cos if it ain't catastrophic what the heck is all the fuss about anyway ?). cAGW just has no facts backing it up; well apart from (sneer) model outputs; 100s of bloody model outputs; so many damn model outputs they can show a model which gives that result which demonstrates that cold/hot; snow/rain/drought; you name it it must be cAGW in action (/sneer)
It's the same with Fukishima & Nuclear power; no factual evidence to support the belief that it must be bad for us.
Belief != Science
Belef != Engineering
Climate changes; politicans tell lies and theft is illegal only because the government hates competition
IT - sometimes my friend - sometimes my enemy
I do Process Control.
I do Remote Support.
Sometimes the IT guys are my best friends; helpful & prepared to learn that a Process system with a life expectancy of 15-20 years is NOT going to do WIndows upgrades; nor is it going to arbitarily shift from its current OS (which could be DOS or later) just because of some new fad from MS. They work with me (& my colleagues) to get it working. Wow; I could almost love them.
Then you get the IT department that RUNS - but still interfers (without asking or checking; blowing a badged CISCO router back to Cisco firmware and trashing all the automation preferential stuff that our Cisco firmware handled correctly; and then crying 'cos the Production manager screamed at the dozy idiots).
Then you get the ones who shove their damned group policy/ arbitarily changed service account name rules onto production servers crashing entire factories. Oh yes; the service account that looked after the SAP connector; just changed; just like that; 3 days loss of production -- moroons. Not even one of their servers.
Then you get the corporate supplier of all things server based; who don't even know how to maintain an SQL server. Tell our clinet they will have to charge them for even looking at the problem they have caused - then having the damned nerve to ask US to inspect their cock up and help their cleint for free; Holy Pisstake; if I wasn't talking to the factory IT guy ( one of the many good guys) about why I thought we were justified in saying NO WAY - and he agreeing with me; I would not have believed what I was seeing/hearing.
Then you get the moroons in OUR IT trying to get a VPN through the moroons in the CLIENT'S IT. Lock them all in a room with no food or water until they sort it out is my answer. How long to fix a site to site VPN you may well ask - try 3 to 6 MONTHS.
And when it comes to running Process Control in VMWare - I've been told by the IT people in a UK factory the ONLY VMWare servers are in the US; and yes please can the DCS run on VMWare servers in the US. Of course bloody well not; IT people ?
Guys - Process Control is NOT the same as Windows Office; or even SAP. And NO we can not test every piece of fixit code that comes out of MS and tell you it will work with ALL our kit. Especially if you work in Pharma or Food & Drugs.
We like to LOCK it all down when we've finished building it. And your factory Process Engineers get kind of antsy when some idiot comes along to fiddle with something that's been working for weeks/months/years.
And since your factory techs & Egineers no longer specialise in our kit; they expect us to remote in & help them fix problems. SO it really is a no brainer - we must have remote access - via a nice secure VPN with proper passwords and proper accounts; of course; what do you think ? That we're as stupid as the damned suits ?
Please remember that if the factory is not making widgets; there is no need for all that back office IT that keeps you employed. So no; I'm afraid 'my' process network is way more important than your network; and no; I do serriously expect to PUSH my data out to your servers and suck your data in; even when I'm playing on the Middleware box.
Please help us to help you; and remember - the devs who make our software ARE Rocket Scientist when it comes to process programing; and don't have time (because we also have stupid suits making impossible demands on us) to pander to the latest IT craze/good idea/sensible recommendations that have just surfaced to replace the last bright ideas the last head of IT had.
And no; I can't make that DCS running on WIndows 2k run on W2k8; it's going to cost £500 000 to £1 000 000 to make that happen - something your company can't afford to do (what with paying some incompetent 3rd party IT 'support' company to break Process servers by pushing unquallified patches on them).
Most of us want to work with you guys in IT to help make BOTH our companies money. We (well most of us) aren't IT specialist (though we've had to learn a lot); most times all we want is a little help and advice; and an understanding that we are trying our damdest to get YOUR factory working efficiently & profitably. So maybe it really is YOU who should be discussing possibilities with YOUR Process Engineers & Techs.
Let's just work together - looking after our mutual client; resolving issues in a nice flexible way. We are not your enemy; honest !
Re: Be afraid...
Wangi in Zimbabwe used to have a power station that was run off a ZX81.
Unfortunately there were too many bullet holes in the place to attempt to recommision it
Wow & I thought comintards were IT literate !
IPads have remote lock & remote factory reset functions built in.
So tea leaves may as well not bother nicking the things
Autocorrect - amazingly you can actually turn this OFF ! Yes, really; it has an OFF button
Witness statements, well what do you know ? I suggest you look up "Self Evident" as an example of a PUBLIC SECURE statement system. Perhaps the free public front end is there because plod is going to use it (idle speculation ). (Did I say plod there or pleb? Darned auto correct )
The Government set up the Tax Avoidance Laws - stop drinking their kool aid !
In the EU a company may choose where it is domiciled for EU tax purposes.
Under EU tax law; that company may only be taxed in the country it chose to domicile itself in.
Only paying tax in Ireland; even though you operate a subsiduary in the UK - well OF COURSE you only pay tax in Ireland
BECAUSE THAT IS EU TAX LAW
Ok add to that charging outrageous 'licence' fees and Head Office 'Services' is not mandated; but a single point of taxation is
(sorry for the USA-ian but it does describe this rather well)
please ask your MP to explain just what Starbucks/Google etc should do - BREAK THE LAW ????
And if you really feel that a company should voluntarily hand over any of its money to the Government I do trust you are leading by example ?
Re: False statment and lack of understanding where retirment accounts are invested.
UK State Pension is paid out of current receipts (current tax take)
It has NEVER EVER come from investments - that is the cause of the black hole in the UK State Pension sector.
What State employees need to understand is that every penny they earn has been TAKEN from some one (or some company) in the Private sector.
If only the NI payments were invested in a Soverign fund; then the State employees may have had a case for whinging when their pensions rights were cut. The sooner they are cut to be no better than the WORST private sector pension the better (because then we'd get proper pensions again)
I must remember to add my grateful thanks to one Gordon Brown who single handledly destroyed the world's best private sector pension system by taxing it and totally cocking up the rules under which they operated. Thanks Gordon; nice to see you linning your pockets with our money after screwing up MY pension; you blithering ignorent idiot.
Re: Virginmedia hardware
After a firmware update or if they just decide to reset it for you; it wakes up in factory reset mode
Why on earth they can not do basic easy stuff is beyond me - if you Virgin (and BT are worse) decide to reset my router; why can't I bill you for setting it up properly again ?
Re: What about the kids who have no aptitude for programming?
and the labour party is the destination for those who can not even manage that level of competance
Re: The real issue with the Dodd-Frank Method @wEASELnO7
Pony burgers come to mind
Re: More details
government blackmail again
nothing new then
Re: In a heart beat 1G ?
Why do they need to retain 1G capability ???
It's a ONE WAY JOURNEY
they won't be coming back down the gravity well .....
they just need to adapt (sucesfully) to their new home's version of 1G - the results of that particular experiment are probably enough on it's own to justify the entire cost
Re: one small problem : "both halves of the debate"
Hideki - did you think to include the SOUTHERN hemisphere in your figures ?
you know; of course that the ANTARTIC is currently 2 standard deviations ABOVE average ?
or how about the TOTAL ice cover for the entire planet - - oops that's about the same as it has been for the whole of the record - which of course doesn't even go as far back as the 1950s when a US submarine surfaced at the North Pole.
We DON'T actualy know what the ice cover is on average EXCEPT over the last few years.
Just like we don't actually know what the earth's average temperature is - but we do know as an absolute piece of empirical science is that it VARIES naturaly. We don't know how or why in detail - we have some theories that appear to explain some long term trends - but we still have no idea what triggers an ice age or an interglacial.
Here's another importent piece of empiracl evidence you can prove all by your self - Life does better when it is warmer not when it is colder.
Lowest temperature on earth - -93C
Hotest temperature on earth - +58 (might be a bit higher)
where is OUR comfort zone - ~20C
So why the panic ? I still fail to see why we can be worried over a couple of degrees warmer - unless you don't believe in science that is (ever heard of Darwin & Survival of the fitest?); life will adapt - just like it always does therough all the climate variations that have ever happened.
disprove the null hypothisis (its natural mate; natural) using empirical observarions not models. Models ain't worth spit; not even simple models of simple systems (like refinaries or economies); for predicting real world outcomes. When there is empirical proof that some other hypothisis explains what is happening BETTER than the null hypotesis; then and only then should any one bother to take any notice.
Re: Keep one asset with XP...Has anyone ever tried XP compatability mode?
and pray do say - what happens after support has ceased ? That's right one massive hole in your security if you allow it access to t'internet
Not to mention XP mode is a pile of kludge compared to VM palyer or workstation (player licence some €70 -ish so compared to a windows licence dirt cheap)
Re: Oh dear...
if it isn't pure scare mongering/green delusion you will of course have a WHO or equivelent reliable organisation's reference for this claim ?
WWF; TEPC, Greenpeace, Japanese Power Ministry are all excluded from the concept of reliable organisation due to past failures to tell the truth
Re: Well, two thoughts...
stirling summary sir !
Anyone pushing for 'Renewable Energy' is either corrupt; ignorant or a political idealogue - or perhaps all three
about the only thing you forgot was :
and doesn't 'think of the children' the majority of whom will live short brutalised peasant lives
There should be a law
That makes any business making such claims identify which piece of 'renewable' energy boondogle will be supplying X% of power requirements; then said business can only use that X% iff and only iff the 'renewable' energy thing is actually working at faceplate value.
At all other times you can only draw the actual percantage produced by said piece of 'renewable' energy thing.
Since wind turbines typically only supply less than 30% of faceplate amount of energy; then the Facebook farm could only AVERAGE less than 30% capacity use. Which would mean Facebook would have to build it big enought to operate at full capacity when the local wind turbines produce 100%; at all other times (some 2/3rds of the time) some to much to all of the bulding would be powered OFF.
And they should have to pay the true; unsubsidised costs (build; generation; maintenance AND return to green field costs) per kW/hr (Note; in the UK land based wind turbines actually cost around 5 to 10 times the cost of conventional generation; marine based cost 10 to 20 the amount)
People then may start to realise; that until we invent a practable form of storing industrial amounts of energy; any 'renewable' energy thing is just an exercise in appalingly bad engineering.
once upon a time
there was a nice little app that let you phone & IM through any firewall/route
and it was secure
hell Tambo Mbeke (sometime successor to Mandela) stopped South African Telkom from trying to make it illegal - because; as he recalled it had allowed him to stay in contact with the ANC in South Africa while he was hidding safely in the US. Winnie Mandela also claimed to have used it to circumvent spies (presumably to help her 'football team' plan on where the spare tires were going). Even Tutu apparently used it - along with thousands of good SA citizens eager not to pay SA Telkom stupid money.
Since MS aquired it; it has become another piece of bloated crap; and; the firm's security team have quite easily blocked it,
unlike most fairy stories that start 'Once upon a time' this story has an unhappy ending.
What on earth is it for now it's been perverted ?
it's modern cheap/efficient manufacturing and design
almost everything nowdays is glued/heat wealded : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/23/surface_pro_2_teardown
it's not just an Apple thing
Re: Oh come on... @ Duncan Macdonald @AC
the adjective is broke
it is a deliberate piece of bad gramar - to underline the lunancy of fixing stuff that ain't BROKE.
when you was taughted english as good as like what i is; then and only then would you perhaps have a chance of gaining a smattering of enough common sense to understand such gramatical constructs.
Re: Oh come on... @Ross K
if your control system is embedded in your plant (as they tend to be)
your capex was based on a 15 to 20 YEAR life
a shut down of the plant of more than 3 hours means a total re-build of the line (or plant going bankrupt)
why would you take the risk ? By the way the plant I am thinking of has been running now with out break for about 10 years - another 5 to go before we can take out the Win2K kit in there; the one with the Win NT kit turns 15 next year and is being shut. The company expects to do a rebuild on the WIn2K plant - it will take about a year - the control system will be some 10% of the cost of the rebuild. It is a multi million euro bit of plant - when rebuilt it will be 1/3rd of the factory (currently just 1/4). The plan for the rebuild is currently 2018 to 2020 window. Fortunately this is not a validated plant - so its fairly cheap to do.
your control system is VALIDATED so ANY change to it requires mountains of paper work and man weeks of validation; a MAJOR change (such as changing the control system to one that will work with the latest fad from the IT world) imposes a masive cost. Example - approx £20K of engineering time for a small upgrade in an Oil & Gas plant (less stringent than Pharma) after going through the validation process required to ensure it is safe put the final bill at £250K. AND there was NO PC hardware changes; the alternative we looked at with a SMALL hardware update doubled the final cost - but only added about 8 hours more engineering time and a couple of £k for equipment.
obviously; you sir; have NEVER been in a modern automated factory. Get hold of this fact : in a modern factory you can NOT just arbitarily change bits of the control system; and courtesy of MS nor can you mix not very old (XP) with more recent kit. We have to deal with 15 to 25 year PLUS life spans.
Re: Oh come on... @ Duncan Macdonald
Not to mention the factories - Pharmaceutical & Food & Drugs Admin compliant sites that would have to completely re-validate the entire control system - AFTER the control system supplier has validated their kit with the new system
That'll be a couple of million in Engineering costs per plant - the cost of the hardware and its licencing is trivial.
I have pharma companies running plant 24x7 on Win NT servers and NT clients.
Not to mention off shore rigs still running DOS box based systems
Engineers 1st rule : if it ain't broke - don't fix it
XP ain't broke - which leads to the interesting question - if MS release a patch that exposes XP boxes to risk; could the Pharma world start a class action ? (I think a few Pharma firms working together may be able to afford more expensive lawyers than even MS could)
Re: Robin Hood etc @codejunkey
and you also forgot
Where was the process that brought Clinto to book for *persuading* Fany Mae & Freddy Mac into making loans to people who were NOT qualified to borrow a cent; never mind the cost of a house.
And the *regulators* who then allowed garbage mortgages to be wrapped up with good risk ?
The crash started when a numbskull who believed he knew better than everone else & insisted that percieved *racism* rather than proper econmics was the reason poor (non-white) people in the States couldn't get mortgages. The crash simpley prooved just how wrong Clinton (and like minded useful idiots) was about the reason poor people (of every colour) couldn't get mortgages. Economics may be a psuedo science - but I'll take it over wishfull thinking any day of the week.
but then they'd have no case
and they's all have to get real jobs
or learn how to do real science based science
that is if they can ever get over their inability to do basic arithmatic
Re: Fear peddling doom mongers surely not?
no - it's not just you !
Re: Fear and Piracy
I'd actually prefer the one proven way to combat piracy
Hang from the yardarm
Robert Long 1
But if you divorced your wife
she lives in a different country
she is charging you rent to stay in HER house (the one the courts gave her despite you having paid for it)
then she would be quite entitled to declare the income as a seperate entity; and you would be quite entitled to say you are paying rent
and if you could work out a tax/business case for claiming said rent as a business expense
well you'd be home and dry
M Gale Re: "It's called free speech"
what rights ?
plane was LATE not cancelled
read the ticket - all the T&Cs- & the EU directives
Until the plane is cancelled or over x hours late they don't have to re-route you or do anything
if a plane is late - it's late - fog/snow/ice/incompetence happens - quit bloody moaning & making everyone else's life a misery (fog in Luton yesterday morning over an hour & a half late on site - shit happens).
Some poor slob of an underpaid pseudo manager trying to keep a couple of hundred people only moderatley unhappy; with no authority or tools to help him ..
What do YOU do when your project is late and some stupid client demands cancelletion/late delivery charges/free upgrade to supper dupper extra special all bells & whistle when the contract EXPLICITLY says said client has no redress ? And then starts publically slagging you & your company off ?
The plane was only LATE - surely in this day and age no one serriously excpects an airline to never be late ?
Re: You know whats funny... John H Woods
and as IT proffessionals they have absolutely no clue why the NON proffesional keeps buying Apple.
Walk into (Apple) shop.
it just works
compare that with the pain of windows/*nix
and the struggles my son appears to have periodically with his android phone (now on the 3rd free replacement inside a year ..)
NON IT people don't give a dam about all the good geek reasons for disliking iDevices; when the customer experience is 99% reliability compared with a (percieved) 60% reliability from the opposition
Most people here dissing iPhones seem to have never done a use case of the AVERAGE block/ette in the street (or even on the Clapham Omnibus)
Re: maybe we should follow suit..
so use https\\:duckduckgo.com - you still get to use google - but anonymously
see this from the duck : http://donttrack.us/
and you get the schadenfreude of knowing you are using google for free !
Re: back to Bing then
sounds a poor management decision to me
try asking your company management why they are GIVING company sensitive information for free to google.
https\\:duckduckgo should be every company's default serch engine; google; yahoo ect should all be firewalled (but uncle duckduck will still use them for you - and if you really must have google then start your search term with !google to get ONLY google search responses - see the duckduckgo website on how to use the ! search options)
Re: VMware Player V5: free for non-commercial use only
yup and a whole stonking great €55 or so per host machine (run as many VMPlayer images as you want on each host)
so it's not $$$
And XP mode after using VM stuff for years is seriously bad
Re: Basic tort law ?
last I looked we still have common law etc
so the removal of the block is just 'what the man on the Clapham Omnibus would think reasonable'
we are still a smidgin away from having Napolionic (most Europeam States & especially EU) law thrust down our throats.
We are ALLOWED to apply common sense as a defence.
Re: And is illegal in the UK
1 Crystal sets - are legal for receiving broadcast stations - as they are nothing other than a 'tuned reciever' doing what they are meant to to do and do not leach (meaningful amounts of) power from the air - check out how the crystal detector works to see why.
2 Using an array of aerials and devices to obtain electric current from radio transmissions is illegal - it is all there in the various Radio Acts & ITU treaties
You are only licenced to recieve broadcast radio signals (yes; the government 'holds' your receiving licence for you; even today; even in this day and age) - note that it does not matter WHAT is being broadcast (AM; FM TV DAB etc). Use of radio recieving apparatus for any other purpose (unless explicitly licenced eg CB PMR HAM) is illegal.
Using radio signals to generate electrical power is theft. In the '60s a guy near Rugby Radio was done for the following :
Illegal unlicenced reception of radio signals - confiscation of ALL radio recieivers/equipemnt and associated bits and pieces - which incuded lights and a couple of low power items he had connected up -
theft of electricity from the GPO; MoD (Navy) BBC (domestic & world service) - massive fine plus repay for the estimated amount of electricity stolen (some 5 years woth). Oh & the assumption was he was using the maximum amount of calculated power generated 24x7 i- it was only a few 100 watts - but it did add up !
Defrauding the MEB (Midlands Electricity board) of the money he SHOULD have paid for the electricity stollen - for which he was fined AND had to pay back the estimated amount
and of course he also ended up with a criminal record
Leaching USEFULL amounts of power from a radio signal (ambient radio environment) causes holes in the radiation pattern
Oh - placing a fluorescent tube WITH NOTHING attached such that it emits visible light in a near field situation is NOT theft - but nigh on impossible more than a few meters away from a (very high power) transmitting aerial
It is exactly for those with out GPS that will benefit iff el reg realised that post codes are stuff all use for ordinary mortals and 'GPS' readings are nothing more than Lat/Long position
Those who plan ahead and use OS maps are double stuffed - unless they are really really good with plotting Lat/Long onto OS maps (sort of easy if you have to do it often)
and never foreg; since the OS map co-ordinates are the legal definition of where things are; if the OS map is wrong; it is atl least definitively and legally wrong
just saying too
anyone using post codes as a way of navigating should be hung drawn & quartered
never use post codes for navigation !
to help ordinary mortals :
The 'GPS' numbers are decimal Lat Long : 51.998794,-0.743705
and is quite simply 51.998794 North, 0.743705 West
or in British terms using the National Mapping standard - Ordanance Survey National Grid Reference :
SP 864 341.
For $Diety's sake stop using post codes when telling people where things are - they're fracking useless. They can put you the wrong side of a river/hill/railway line
Not only that you are claiming your GPS device is acurate to better than 4.4 INCHES ? - because that is what all those decimal places imply - (there are 60 nautical miles in a degree at the equator; the rest is just arithmatic).
Use NGR - and stop calling Lat/Long 'GPS' (or can we call el reg a blog ?)
TROPICAL STORM Sandy
not a huricane
but why worry - it sounds so much more impressiive than TROPICAL STORM Sandy
SAP - the sooner RIP the better
go speak to the engineers techs & offeice people who have to use this benighted product.
it appears to have been designed by a bunch of monkeys; no signs of ANY user validation (oh sorry the CEO & CFO probably think their bit is wonderful).
not only is there no sign of user validation there is no sign of users eve being ASKED how they handle their data; in what order it is input; in what format.
read this http://xkcd.com/1205
now work out if 1000 employs spend an extra 5 minutes a day fighting SAP it will take forever for the ease of which some senior flunky can pull out a report that only the accountants care about to make any real savings at all.
central data ? don't have a laugh; it just means no one is allowed to remove the thousands of duplicates casued when SAP sucked in 5 diferent unrelated tools. Central pool of crud; the exact oposite of what any Enterprise system should be offering.
yup I hate SAP - I have seen it in use in many factories and have to work with it again in current employ and it remains one of the most user unfriendly pieces of garbage in the universe; it even makes windows look good. Extreme experience - visit factory - 'we've just had SAP; we'll have integrated work orders next week ....
5 YEARS later; work orders still produced by hand as SAP was just too cumbersome to use AND STILL NO ONE HAD ASKED THEUSERS WHAT THEY NEEDED.
GO ASK THE REAL USERS ABOUT WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK SAP IS /rant really over
Re: as a scientist
the ZOD is a COLLATION of ALREADY WRITTEN PAPERS.
That have suposed;y been through peer review
The ZOD is NOT a hodge podge of random ideas waiting to gell into inspiration.
The ZOD is a collection of (let me bore you with repitition) ALREADY PUBLISHED PAPERS
So what we should see in the ZOD is WHY certain papers were excluded; and why other papers were included. It helps to stop pall review; and Lead AUthors from cherry picking papers that only support one view.
Re: Business as usual
actually you need China and India to lead the way - do keep uup with who makes the most CO2/Plant food
Re: Why not introduce yearly "one off" windfall taxes on these tax avoiding corporations?
since we know live in a secular society - ethics are relative & personal.
Whose ethics are you going to use ? Stalin's ? MaozseTung ? Kinnock ? Thatcher ? the Pope's ? Mugabe ? Mandella ? Al Gore ? yeh right.
ALl that needs doing is adopting a fair tax system - my fair tax system is a single band of 10% on all earnings over minimum pay and a 0.5% tax on every bank transaction (building society etc etc included).
No exceptions. Applicable to all those legal 'people' (corporations companies etc) as well
LPF 20130423 11:46z
because the only reason you can't aford to go private is the hypocrites have stolen 40% (or more likly 55%) of your income; and then wasted it on crap; and because they 'protect' the management of the NHS (some of the most useless examples of phb going) the money needed to provision said service has been used to pay off some other phb who was going to tell the world just how appaling the NHS management really is
cs94njw @ 20130423 15:31z
AVOIDANCE is what the thieving hypocrites are complaining about; something that is not only legal but specificaly encouraged by the very people who wrote the laws - people like hodges
EVASION is ILLEGAL
$deity's sake you have fallen straight into the socialist trap; of getting the basics WRONG.
Avoidance is not only legal - it is your moral duty to your family/shareholders.
If you have ever bought something (taxable) as cheap as you can then you are also guilty of tax AVOIDANCE (cheaper selling price means less VTA which means you just avoided paying soem VAT) - do you feel guilty now ? If not why not ?
Re: Question 5
*and unlike the wind & solar people NOT ignoring the de-commissioning costs
Re: You Know That Website That Publishea
An article that publishes facts that can be checked is dissed by soemone who thinks ad hom is a valid put down ?
must be a left wing troll;
where is your critique of the facts offered ? Just because they rebut the recieved wisdom of the idiots in power you don't like it ? One of these days I'll find a warmista/greenie who knows how to use a fact based argument to prove his point; the problem the greenies and warmista have is that their certainties never survive the Damascian moment of logic and truth shining through the FUD of CAGW
EnricoS @ 29 March 15:12z
"CO2 (aka "Carbon") is not a "POISON"" - true, but CO2 is an asphyxiant. Too much CO2 and you would suffocate. As probably would plants, as they too need O2 to respire (aka live - CO2 is needed to grow). Too much CO2 will suffocate the planet.
current CO2 approx 360 parts per million ppm
breathable with no bad effects up to 5000 ppm
then look up c4 and C3 photosynthesis and try understanding why CO2 is harmless plant food
World wide global temperature average (do some science and find out why this is a bad metric anyway) has in fact (as admited to by the UK Met Office; James Hansen etc) been stalled for 16 years AND THEY DO NOT KNOW WHY
Look at the mortality rates for cold v hot weather -- cold KILLS people
Why should we do anything when it is pointless - UK supplies <2% of human emmissions of CO2 so if we cut back by (pick amount) it is a total waste - this is not about peer group pressure (which sounds as though it fits your outlook far better) it is about effective action. Reducing the UK's CO2 output - wether or not CAGW is true - is pointless. Come to that - if every tiny little bit was worht doing how do you justify YOUR emissions of CO2 ??
May eb the grummpy old men actually know a little science and engineering; which is something you demonstrably do not; and neither do any of the politicains.
As to why we can't do anything about it; well; your lack of investigative ability and your mindless buying into the CO" is bad meme demonstrates why we are reduced to tryiung to educate people about what is really happening.
Re: people don't go green to save money only!
living is fatal
but living in a cheap energy environment is so beneficial in terms of human welbeing it is unquantifiable.
You want to live with no cheap energy - go on; stop using it for anything; grow your own veg/meat/fuel and leave the rest of us to live a civilised life
Only energy rich societies have so far managed to 'clean up' their acts; energy poor societies pollute. Ask any poor sod who has no electricity what its like to heat/cook on wood fires; and just how much soot do you think that will produce compared to a nice clean modern coal/gas/oil/nuke power station ??
charger9 @ 28 March 13:40z
You seem to have overlooked the fact that the 'green interventions' actually drive the p/kWh artificially low (and sometimes even negative when the wind is stronger than expected).
Pardeon ? WTF ?
when the wind blows stroonger than expected the windturbines are STOPPED (otherwise they break)
On the odd occaisions when all the wind turbines are working - we do not have peak deamnd; which means somewhere an effcieint power station is having to run IN-efficiently; and given most cost/kWH delivered ESTIMATES for windturbines assume 50% or better of faceplate capacity delivered which is already known to be a total LIE; then the FACT they rarely do better than 24% efficiency means the things never ever produce cheap electricity. EVER. It is an engineering fact that lots of piddly thongs cost far more to maintain than one or two big things. Windturbines belong on sail boats; islands and for charging some (currently unobtainable) storage system.
P.Lee @ 29 March 07:00 z
..A new nuclear/coal/gas facility would also push up prices as it would also need new network connectivity...
1) NO for the new nukes - they are all going on exisitng sites so they use the otherwise (soon to be) unused existing infrastructure.
2) Lots of piddly little part time generators (wind/pv) use up an awflul lot of new network infrastructure in some of the most hard to get to places going. A couple of 'proper sized' coal or gas plants just need ONE link each and can actually replace existing inefficent 'old(er)' power stations; something no windturbine or pv farm has yet managed.
And unlike windturbines & pv would not also push up your taxes and the cost of lecky - new coal fired stations are cleaner and more efficient than the older stock - and for as much as it matters produce around 15% less CO2 per MW than existing plant - thus beating our CO2 reduction targets using tech that actually works
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