* Posts by Lars

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Intel loses its ARM wrestling match, kicks out Atom mobe chips

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Dear Elreg, we have a problem.

In this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/29/eu_login_youtube_national_id_card/

Andrew Orlowski writes this;

"Why? Apparently, “for every consumer to have a multitude of username and password combinations is not only inconvenient but becomes a security risk.”

My problem with that is that apparently, judging from the comments by Brits, some, too many, actually believe some official EU member or individual in the EU actually wrote or thought or had such an opinion.

A hook planted by Orlowski, and wow did it sink.

My first response to that dumb sentence by Orlowski was "I must admit I would like to see the source to that sentence." and that vent through, still there. (no down votes or up votes, surprisingly).

My admittedly more straight forward comments like "Hang on, was that dumb sentence the work of Orlowski. and "Re "the nation’s entire population of ten men and a donkey", this article is written by a Orlowsky. to be fair.", were rejected-

And right now this comment "Please Folks, why can't you see that nobody but Orlowski wrote this "Why? Apparently, “for every consumer to have a multitude of username and password combinations is not only inconvenient but becomes a security risk.” is still, since 9 hrs. waiting moderation, Give the man some help.

Meanwhile, before dealing with the northern donkeys. In the USA Trump goes on telling twats that everybody is ripping the USA in trade while the rest of the world (perhaps even Trump, not sure) knows each and ever trade agreement was written in the USA in the interest of some and forced down the throat even in the Capitol.

I expect more from you Brits even when Brexit distracts and divides you.

Then for "the nation’s entire population of ten men and a donkey", while not an expert on Estonia I cannot relate donkey to much anywhere in Northern Europe, hardly England either but wait, perhaps Orlowski, Poland/Russia, that fits indeed.

I remember a Russian who went to great lengths in telling me how much better Moscow is than my town, as there are so much more people. And I said - wow, fantastic, I newer knew, you don't say, wow wow, Mexico City must be just absolutely fantastic. Not a dumb guy, his face revealed he got it.

Now there is humour of course, when I read an American account of Brits - leftist faggots with rubbish teeth and rundown shoes, I take it with a smile. But there is a difference, that shit is written by commentards and not by people who write, like you, for a publication like ElReg.

I think ElReg should have a serious discussion with you Andew Orlowski.

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@ Doctor Syntax

Please Doctor Syntax and the rest of you who commented on Orlowskis story about "Why? Apparently, “for every consumer to have a multitude of username and password combinations is not only inconvenient but becomes a security risk.”.

Should not a sentence like "the nation’s entire population of ten men and a donkey" reveal something to you.

Did you not understand that that whole shit, for gullible Brits, was all Orlowski and nothing else.

Shame on you.

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The EU wants you to log into YouTube using your state-issued ID card

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"Why? Apparently, “for every consumer to have a multitude of username and password combinations is not only inconvenient but becomes a security risk.”

I must admit I would like to see the source to that sentence.

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Galileo in spaaace: France's 'equivalence principle' satellite

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Re: Magnifico!

Just goes to show that educating "a poor boy from a poor family" can be worth it. (Can you hear me Americans).

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One black hole, three galaxies, four BEELION solar masses – found by accident

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Re: More important question...

"Why the snorkel on the truck?". Less dust?.

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Will Comcast's set-box killer murder your data caps? The truth revealed

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Re: Data Cap?

How normal is that "Data Cap" around the world, I have none with my two ISPs.

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Clinton's $1m troll fight

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Re: Why is Billary not in jail yet?

Up voted for Bernie Sanders but when it comes to flipfloping nobody can beat Trump on that. As for Bill I must admit I don't think having my cook sucked made me into a worse programmer. The two party system makes you Americans more divided than ever. But as the saying goes you have to choose the less evil and as an outsider that would be any Democrat preferably Sanders.

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NASA saves Kepler space 'scope by turning it off and on again

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Re: If cycling power doesn't work...

Try dropping it to reseat the connectors. That was actually a common solution with the Commodore 64, drop it flat on the table from say 25 cm up.

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Blighty ranks 38th in World Press Freedom Index

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@ I ain't Spartacus

Well said and reassuring, among the 28 EU countries 10 are still behind Blighty, those are Bulgaria 113, Romania 49, France 45, Greece 89, Hungary 67, Croatia 63, Poland 47, Italy 77, Slovenia 40, Malta 46.

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Linux command line mistake 'nukes web boss'S biz'

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"back-up-back-up,back-up". Some of our customers had a habit of using local (and cheaper) experts to add or change HDs and stuff like that to their systems, no hard feelings there, but at least twice those guys forgot to change the path for the backup, so indeed there was "back-up-back-up,back-up" each night but, but, but.

One other funny thing with the shell was when, for instance, you helped somebody with cp blaa blaablaa, and you knew in advance the that the voice in the phone would go - "no nothing, absolutely no nothing". That until you started to use the -v (for verbose). Actually it was not "one other funny thing" at all, just Friday.

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Can you hear me now – over the picket line? Verizon workers strike

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Re: This could take a while

"employees ultimately suffer." Yes, short term, but is this any better, nothing new, except that it is ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

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NASA gives blacked-out Kepler space 'scope the kiss of life

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Re: 75 Million Miles

The distance to the sun (AU) is about 150 million kilometres, or 93 million miles. Well within the family.

Pluto has a moderately eccentric and inclined orbit during which it ranges from 30 to 49 astronomical units or AU. But yes, It really is alone out there.

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Field technicians want to grab my tool and probe my things

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Re: OOh missus! - engineers carry tool cases

@ allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

Handy, yes, but I have also seen them called "nut killers" and "knuckle killers" for obvious reasons. I would be very surprised if I saw one used in my local garage. One reason is ,of course, that they often take up too much space when used.

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Britain is sending a huge nuclear waste shipment to America. Why?

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@ Uncle Ron

In this vid you find Truman's voice on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7wWnaUDhog&nohtml5=False

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Florida weed suspect cuffed after hoverboard pursuit

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Weed

Please Americans. and with due respect. you tried it with alcohol and all that happened was that the consumption rose and crooks got rich. Worst of all some European countries thought you to be clever and did the same, with the same result. Just give it up, it's stupid.

There is a hint here.

https://youtu.be/u1RPIwBWHHM

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Adobe preps emergency Flash patch for bug hackers are exploiting

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I must admit it's hard to understand how anybody ever was able to program anything that has needed as much patching as Flash. To some extent I can understand that a OS like say Windows, a work in progress, needs some patching, but a damned player, is just beyond me, totally.

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PayPal freezes 400-job expansion in North Carolina over bonkers religious freedom law

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Hmm

I we think dealing with only 28 "states" is difficult.

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MariaDB enters analytics market while prepping for massive Series C

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"But there has to be a balance at the same time". Hmm I cannot see any lack of balance in this interview with Bernie Sanders, nor any overly socialistic or too optimistic, just common sense. But then again I don't consider fucking, good food and some booze and educated kids, left or right, just common sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P25iloc14o

Disclaimer, I do wipe my arse with the help of my right arm but I have come to the conclusion that it's not political.

Then lets look at the bright side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylomy1Aw9Hk

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Flying Finns arm octocopter with chainsaw

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"Placing the saw on the ground with your foot on the handle prevents the saw moving so it can't bite your leg(s)". My solution too. But the two guys I have used for many years keep the cord in their left had and the saw in their right hand and then they use the "Newtonian" for the force and the chain does not move and it looks damned simple. And if it doesn't start right away they look really surprised and you can see the lips forming words. I have tried it but gave up. The reason I have used those guys is that once one big tree fell in exactly the opposite direction to my plans, wasn't fun if surprising, and once a big branch broke free and landed on my head, no hard hat, not that fun either. What I burn in the summer I do my self. I am told modern petrol gets "old" in a few months and you could pimp it again buying a small bottle of something to fix it. Who knows, I don't.

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@My-Handle

It annoys me always when I see professionals start a chainsaw with the first pull, but they keep them in shape. Also they don't seem to pull but sort of drop the the chainsaw down. Old petrol will loose its "octane". I am told. and will not work and that corresponds with my experience. People have the same problem with outboard engines in the spring.

As for the "octane", somebody more into it might find a more "scientific" explanation.

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Space archeologist discovers new evidence of Vikings invading America

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Re: Greenland etc

Thanks for the link, but then I read the comments. What the hell is it with some people. Your DNA stealing your identity. There was a year or two ago an article here about how "many" "Brits" came. presumable to Britain via Turkey. Some commentards seemed to take it as a personal insult.

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Re: Does this mean

@x 7, I also had a 2950 Volvo 164. Go figure.

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Re: Does this mean

I thought the Columbus Day was already thrown out the window in the USA because he was a nasty person.

For an Italian to honour, and with an IT angle, I would suggest Olivetti. (Although I had two Alfa Romeo Berlina cars (1750 and 2000)).

About Olivetti:

"The first commercial programmable "desktop computer", the Programma 101, was produced by Olivetti in 1964 and was a commercial success.". Remember Apple Computer was founded 1976 and Microsoft 1975. (with MS-DOS in the mid-1980s).

As overlooked (pushed under the rug) as Zuse in the Anglo-American "mindset".

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Re: HOGWASH!

"it shows that our (collective) ancestors were a lot more mobile (and capable) that previous generations of historians thought/gave them credit for.". Yes I fully agree with that".

Valhalla, however, is where you go to enjoy afterlife, if a "believer". A one-way resort. I haven't made up my mind just yet. Valhalla sounds like more fun than heaven where there is only harp playing and the risk of having a dumb lawyer and ending down in hell. Virgins are short lasting. I suppose there are reasons I enjoyed reading Mark Twain's "Letters from the Earth".

"Man is a marvelous curiosity. When he is at his very, very best he is a sort of low grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm."

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"Any news of clashes with 'the complex and diverse societies of indigenous people/s' during their 'occupation'?"

Yes there is one, a very short one, where some natives turned up on the beach and they went down to kill them. No additional thoughts or details in that short sentence. Perhaps not such a good solution for their own future. Still it's probably evident that they were just not able to get any number of people interested in moving there. Not that they didn't try, like by calling Greenland green and calling Newfoundland Vinland (vineland). Good marketing efforts though. Walking on thin ice here as too serious boffins might disagree furiously. Came to think about the date to day too.

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Re: HOGWASH!

I have a feeling that the "red Indians" discovered North America first, but if you look at the chart from Norway to Iceland to Greenland then Newfoundland looks quite plausible and inevitable and apart from that there are the written "evidence". Not, though, the wholly sort like Noah but just sort of more believable. But I have strong opposition to the word "invade", lets just be a bit modest in that respect.

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Microsoft lures top Linux exec from Oracle to Redmond

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Looks like Nadella actually has some power in that company, disturbing for some of us, but then again when and if you have to choose between intelligence and stupidity then perhaps intelligence is after all the better choice in the long run.

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Spanish launch heroic bid to seize Brit polar vessel

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@Pompous Git

Yes thanks, "Øystein og jeg" was new to me, nice and very civil. There was an other joke by them too. "How do you distinguish a male snowman from a female snowman, well it's the snowballs of course."

I once took an African guy to Nokia and he told me he was very nervous about his meeting. I told him not to worry as we are all Africans after all. Some days later I bumped into him in town and he told me I had saved his day and that he had walked into his meeting with a broad smile on his face.

Let's hope the ship gets a good name eventually.

Regards Lars

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Please, I have nothing against your comment. But then again, do you really think groups of people around the world and Europe suddenly decided to invent a new language from scratch. People just popping out of the ground here and there. As a silly side remark, how would you invent a new language without a language. It's a long story, languages evolve and change. With no contact with each other they change radically, just look at how fairly short distances within England have crated different dialects. Arabic numerals, it's a long and interesting story.

The great classics, yes I do agree, but If in Chine they have decided they have their own great classics, then I have no problem with that either.

Human history is damned interesting if at times rather, should I say bloody interesting. So far so good, regardless.

As for the pillaging Vikings, I suppose they did as well as they could. Those who didn't go back home settled down, enriched their surrounding like in England, Normandy, Russia and a bit in Spain and Italy.

Not that many in numbers, I doubt their loot would fill even the lady's WC in the British Museum.

Calm down.

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Re: Seriously

"And then tell me who the barbarians were.".

Barbar is, they claim, a onomatopoetic word, a modern version would be a blahblah perhaps. In short somebody who speaks a foreign language, a foreigner, all of us. Barbaric again is when religiosity is added. My priest and holy man is somebody else's infidel, witch doctor... . It has been like that and still is. Looking at human history I would claim it wound be impossible to find a clear winner in that respect.

We are never Barbars, they are, all those others.

Just for fun, jump into somebody else's "trousers". Meet Columbus and his men in the Caribbean as a native, try to meet the settlers as a "red Indian", Brits in India. Have fun, costs nothing.

PS. Why do you find English less educated than Latin. Then again there is this dual meaning of "most" in the English language, and as I cannot hear your voice perhaps I choose the wrong one.

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@ Pompous Git

I still think you take, at least me, much too seriously, perhaps yourself too.

What one can find on the Wikipedia below, and If you have a link pinpointing Syria then share it with us, I have no problem with that.

On agriculture, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture

"Agriculture involves the domestication of plants. Data from molecular and archaeological research generated over the past 15 years now makes it clear that agriculture began independently over a much larger area of the globe than was once thought, and included a diverse range of taxa. At least 11 regions of the Old and New World were involved as independent centers of origin, encompassing geographically isolated regions on most continents, but several more have been suggested.[8] The earliest development was around 11,500 years ago separately in both the Fertile crescent and at Chogha Golan in modern-day Iran"

And on the "Fertile Crescent", with a nice map too.

"The Fertile Crescent (also known as the Cradle of Civilization) is a crescent-shaped region containing the comparatively moist and fertile land of otherwise arid and semi-arid Western Asia, the Nile Valley and Nile Delta. Having originated in the study of ancient history, the concept soon developed and today retains meanings in international geopolitics and diplomatic relations.

In current usage, all definitions of the Fertile Crescent include Mesopotamia, the land in and around the Tigris and Euphrates rivers; and the Levant, the eastern coast of the Mediterranean sea. The modern-day countries with significant territory within the Fertile Crescent are Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel and Palestine, beside the southeastern fringe of Turkey and the western fringes of Iran"

Having studied in England but also worked for some time in Germany, a friend once asked me which country I prefer. My attempt for a "diplomatic" answer was that I would take the German infrastructure but the British sense of humour.

Keep it that way. I have no need to offend and I try as hard as I can in not becoming a pompous twat, or git, if you prefer.

As for your sentence "Rather odd that you despise the monks for their lack of bloodlust. Presumably you admire religious fanatics who slaughter infidels. Each to his own."

I am sure we give it the same amount of value, nil.

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Re: Seriously

@Pompous Git

Why so serious. The Nordic countries like England were populated during the Stone Age, that is since the Ice Age ended some 10.000 years ago, depending on the latitude. We have walked and fucked around Europe for quite some time, ongoing.

Tacitus wrote about tribes in the north in his "Germania" but did not have that much information as the Roman Empire was never able to extended that far.

I never implied that the Vikings introduced farming to Britain, where did you get that from. Why do you mention Syria particularly. Why not rather Iran or Irak if you want to mention some particular country, better just to refer to the region, the rivers perhaps.

This article was, however, about naming a British ship and I did find some of the comments rather humourless. My ability for being serious is rather rubbish, but regarding "too nationalistic" trends I think we should all be pissed off, there is just too much of it again right now in Europe.

The Viking era relates to the time they "went Viking" expanding their territory and trade, nation building and introducing democracy to the world as it is so nicely expressed.

The Brits "went Viking" a bit later, some Viking genes too in there one could guess.

To their credit they didn't seem to try too furiously with the religious forcing. There is, of course, words like Thursday and Friday introduced to the English language but most words were practical. Some very Germanic, for obvious reasons, and some very Nordic like "by" in names like Rugby and similar, as By is village/town in the Scandinavian languages.

Now let me explain why the hell I introduced Vikings in my comment.

Some time ago there was this "Bloody happy Danes". So where did this that "bloody" come from. More about it a bit later.

Before that there was "where to invade next" by Michael Moore at Google. Have a look, it's worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcxKooNIPo4

And yes I like the guy.

Anyway at some poinit he speaks about the way prisoners in Norway are treated in a rather "humane" manner. But then he goes on with something like "look at how those "bloody" Vikings have been able to change in 1000 years. I have no problems with that, but then again look at the facts.

The first democratic society in Europe was Nordic.

"The Alþingi (anglicised as Althing or Althingi) is the national parliament (literally: "[the] all-thing", or general assembly) of Iceland. It is one of the oldest extant parliamentary institutions in the world together with the Jamtamot, today Jämtlands läns landsting, of Jämtland County, Sweden. The Althing was founded in 930 at Þingvellir, the "assembly fields" or "Parliament Plains", situated approximately 45 km east of what later became the country's capital, Reykjavík.

Apart from that, slavery was abandoned like also capital punishment in Scandinavia very early. Not to mention women's right to vote. The word "law" is Nordic and so forth.

I would claim that the Nordic society was more decent and democratic in the year 800 than it was among those who came up with the word "bloody".

Now I could be bloody wrong but I am bloody sure it would be bloody difficult to prove me wrong as facts tell an other story, like to day.

We write our history from our own point of view, we always do. Intruders are always the bloody bastards.

So let me try on my Viking trousers when we met with the barbaric monks in Britain (look it up on YouTube). That was appalling. only men, dressed like women, what the fuck, speaking barbar on their knees, unwilling to fight and what is that. A mutilated corps on a stick. My Thor, that's barbaric, I have never seen anything like that. Now honestly, in front of Vikings (of course), that icon must be the most barbaric icon ever invented in human history. Wow did we clean our weapons, did we take the silver and did we wove to end barbarism in this world. Not much has changed since then, not my fault, give me a break.

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Seriously

Why so damned serious, The Spaniards sailed the seas long before the Brits. Columbus anybody. Just call it HMS Viking as the Vikings brought sailing and so much more to a bunch of farmers lost on an island in the sea. Learn your history, it's nor good nor bad, just the result of events not bad not good. Sorry for this rant but I have found that the older I get the more pissed off I am with nationalistic trends. Haven't we had enough of it by now, and then look at us to day.

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Bash on Windows. Repeat, Microsoft demos Bash on Windows

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@ Dave Pickles

It's true that MS employed a guy who did work on VMS but as far as I have understood claiming the NT a rewrite of VMS is more than a bit silly. Then again this topic was discussed in more detail about twenty years ago.

What save us then moving customers from Unix to the NT was utilities produced in Utah with stuff like sed and grep and similar, free then to use.

Eventually the happy days ended for MS. The interesting thing, but rather frustrating for the new happy NT users was that they, or the sells persons, lived in an illusion that if the old Unix hardware was X MHz then 2X MHz would result in a faster system. It never worked like that and as far as I remember each and every customer had to upgrade their hardware very soon as everything got slower. An other funny thing was the number of bosses who with some slight knowledge of the PC in front of them though they now entered easy days, saving money as the servers were running Windows (their speciality) and not that cryptic Unix. That was never the case. And then suddenly there was all the viruses and all the kids in the town breaking into their systems. I sometimes felt sorry for some of my customers, but what the heck I got my salary all the same.

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Re: Embrace....

"How prejudiced must you be to attack someone for bringing up recorded history?". I think there is a feeling that it's just too late for the FUD to work any more and that MS has got it too and has decided to not drop out of the picture. Time will tell.

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BMW complies with GPL by handing over i3 car code

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"Does it say that in the GPL somewhere?". Damn you guys. Just read the GPL2. If you use it and deliver it and modify it then you have to reveal what you did with the original code. And that is it, how damned difficult is that to understand. If you don't like it use BSD like Apple, take it and do what ever you like with it. Kids commenting, nothing wrong with kids, i have three, but just read the GPL before you comment, it's not that difficult after all.

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"Does it say that in the GPL somewhere?". Yes you have to tell where the source can be found, Like in the media you deliver with your software or on the web, for instance. If it's about a vanilla Linux kernel I suppose you just have to tell which version.

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Snowden 'more helpful than dangerous' says ex-Colin Powell aide

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Re: If the current Republican front-runner --

@p.s. in Canada.

Don't worry, it's the same most everywhere. This is a guy whose ego is more blown up, who tells at least two lies in 30 seconds, than people have ever seen on TV before, People slow down on the road if there is an accident, they stop and look if a house is on fire. We are like that, add to that an arse as a mouth, it's just perfect.

I have some confidence in the American people and I hope and believe the next POTUS will be Hillary or Bernie. I would prefer Bernie for many reasons, but I have no doubt Hillary is both intelligent and has some experience. Then again I have tried and tried to find, in my old head, a head of state somewhere in this world who was or is giggling all the time. Help me out, I could have a look at YouTube for Thatcher, was she ever giggling, but it's late and I prefer nice dreams.

Then for the screwed part of me, the "shoot out" at the OK convention.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/online-petition-calls-for-guns-to-be-allowed-at-republican-convention/

So far only 35.000 has signed up, interesting times in the land of the free.

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The "ex-" in it

The "ex-" tends to make a difference. Colin Powell was not able to start his speech in the UN with - "and now for some bull", although he knew it. He had to become "ex" to admit it. Then again don't expect anything similar from Bush, Cheney or Blair. Not that I did not speak some bull to my customers in IT, but as "ex" nobody asked me anymore.

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Lost in the obits: Intel's Andy Grove's great warning to Silicon Valley

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Nice article but then you loose your concentration with "disentangling ourselves from Brussels regulations designed to featherbed Europe's corporations.".

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Former Intel CEO Andy Grove dies, aged 79

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Nice about Andy

A nice and appropriate story about Andy Grove. But for a more "colour full" story I would suggest the book "Inside Intel" described like this:

"Named one of the Best Business Books of 1997 by Business Week, Inside Intel is the gripping business saga of a company that rose to dominance through technological innovation, and maintained its leadership against competitors through aggressive marketing, tough business tactics, and liberal use of legal firepower."

Lots of interesting stuff about their fight against AMD, fights with Bill Gates and their efforts to hide and downgrade a bad bug in one processor, and indeed a very liberal use of legal firepower.

The memory business was simply lost as the Japanese production technique become superior.

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Astronaut trio blast off to space station with ... er, rearview mirror toy?

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Yes indeed

There is nothing like a stuffed toy dangling from the roof of the capsule. Great, I will tell my great grand children about it. Was it a duck, was it a penguin, history will ponder about it, forever. Just kidding.

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Glasgow boiler firm in hot water for cold calls, cops £180K fine

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Re: A puzzle

"the ICO don't get to keep the penalties, they go straight to the treasury".

There are those who think it's as well that the Police dosn't get the "ticket" money directly, but what do they know.

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@AC. Like in the good old days?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_humiliation

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Brits seek rousing name for polar research vessel

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Re: Great preparation, tragic results

For a Scandinavian joke about Amundsen. Vad är skilladen mellan Amundsen och en bagare - Amundsen tog sig fram med Fram medan bagaren tog sig fram med bak. I doubt Google translate will make much sense of that.

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Re: Great preparation, tragic results

@ Voland's right hand

Yes very true, I have seen Fram in the museum in Oslo. A rudder that one could lift up at sea and stuff like that.

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Re: OK, I probably have diferent ideas of Arctic state of the art

"Arktika-class nuclear beast" those ships were all built in Finland, like the majority of all icebreakers. The nuclear reactor was put in by the Russians in Leningrad.

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Mighty Soyuz stands proud at Baikonur

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Re: Horizontal assembly

There was actually a link for this.

"Officials said the preliminary plan calls for the Ariane 6 rocket to be integrated horizontally, a practice long used for Russian launchers and more recently adopted by United Launch Alliance’s Delta 4 rocket family and SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket.".

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"that glass of vodka". Reminds me of a cousin of mine who had to go to Russia to help them to assemble some machinery. Then there was a big party and at some time having had enough vodka he decided to hide his glass behind his back. In no time there was this gluc gluc sound behind his back as somebody was filling up his glass.

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