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Re: Assuming of course...
You get a lot of kiddies out there who grew up on engadget and gizmodo and don't actually understand what the term "vaporware" means.
This is evidently one of them.
Re: The problem is Windows.
People don't want Windows on their phone.
YOU don't want Windows on your phone. The public don't buy a Windows Phone or an Android Phone. They buy a Nokia or an HTC or a Samsung or whatever. The only exception is that they do buy an iPhone, although most still don't know what iOS is, merely that Apple stuff all works with other Apple stuff.
They don't know what Android is at all and Windows is just the thing on the laptop.
Re: Other phone companies...
not sure who else because all news is about Nokia.
HTC, ZTE and Lenovo have confirmed that they'll be producing WP8 phones.
Quality remains the question.
I think that's a really bad idea, sadly.
There are bound to be issues with the VM and apps will crash. And Win8 will get the blame for that, not the app or Android. Even though Android apps are notoriously crashy anyway.
Re: challenge accepted
World + Dog applauds
I think you meant
arsehole writes pointlessly snide comment.
Re: weather <> climate
@Steve Knox -
I might. Joe Average shouldn't unless clear definitions are given, which they pretty much never are.
Usually Joe gets "the climate is getting warmer". Then he sees record cold winters. Then he's told "that's just weather, not climate you ignorant fool. Gaia will smite you!" which is not the behaviour of responsible scientists. Neither, incidentally, is RTFM - that's the behaviour of the smug geek. What Joe Public gets to listen to is a priesthood which condemns those who argue with it and threatens apocalypse unless it is placated with vast amounts of money.
Without a move to a) educate and b) genuinely debate - ie, stop calling people deniers and abusing their intellect - this situation can only worsen.
Re: It's a start.
You have blasphemed against the Earth Mother in your noticing of inspired* evidence and must be downvoted.
*It's not faked, it's inspired.
weather <> climate
Alright, you're boring me now.
I see this trotted a LOT. Usually when there's some report showing that the Apocalypse is not about to occur tomorrow and that the New Gaians might in fact be spouting a religion rather than actually using the scientific method to study anything beyond their articles of faith.
What this means to the victim on the street is "that thing you thought we were talking about where there's floods and droughts and apocalypse and the weather KILLS YOU DEAD? It's not weather. It's a special magic thing called climate that you don't understand. But I understand it. I can bless you and save you from your sins. Give me thirty-five million pounds for a new wind farm or GAIA WILL BE ANGRY".
(Note - no opinion on whether the climate is changing due to human activity or indeed whether any alteration of human activity is required, sensible or not was made in this post. Only the assertion that all priests are scammers, Gaian as much as any other).
As one Facebook contact (who may be the world's closest approximation to Super Mario in appearance) told me
Matt Assay is Facebook-friends with Ron Jeremy.
Re: this device will fall flat in the UK...
that's why there are no laptops in the workplace, right?
Re: Another reason
But those who buy iPhones will buy it anyway.
And salesmorons won't exactly be going out of their way to explain this little deficiency to the average punter.
iBuyer - "I heard it has the Four Gees?"
O2 Rep - "Totally. It has four gees. And a totally unique screen that frames your videos with these awesome black sides."
iBuyer - *orgasm*
Re: Nokia PureView 808
Symbian Belle. Android doesn't have the chops to run that beast. Nor does WP (yet).
Re: Fanbois relying on Cupertino's idiot-tax outfit
Shows what I know. Where is the Reg getting "idiot tax" from then?
Re: Fanbois relying on Cupertino's idiot-tax outfit
One that doesn't make you pay for the privilege, possibly?
I mean, come on. Not even Microsoft do that. That's just skeevy.
Re: "Fanbois see it as their God"
I've never saw a fanboi (using your words) say something like "I'll buy it for any price since it is from Apple"
I have. Also many variations on the "shut up and take my money" theme. Announce a product with a largely redundant screen resolution or that iTV thing they keep blathering about and watch it happen.
Re: One Fact Forgotten
and the HTC touch never existed.
Re: Cart before the horse
Re: BAe phone
You know very well that Lewis usually decries Euro-projects in favour of buying something that works and is cheaper (often from the US).
On a TIFKAM based environment I can only use whatever Microsoft provides me with in their marketplace.
Not true. You can still run any desktop or web applications exactly as you do in Windows 7. They just won't be Metro/Windows Store apps.
Given the fact that 85% of the Reg's commentards hate Metro anyway, surely this is not a problem?
Re: "Sneering like that makes you look fifteen years old, max"
I don't think you know what irony is.
Also, this whole thread proves my original point. It'll be a hate fest where morons from support - El Reg's new main readership, apparently - spew bile on the whole concept of Windows 8 in order to avoid having to do any fucking work.
Enjoy your script.
Re: Jobs n Stuff
Depends on the IT pros in question, doesn't it?
.NET is stil extremely viable as a skill set and interaction with the WinRT library is still largely done through managed code. Your basic C#/XAML app developer will have no trouble writing a Win8 app unless s/he's of the "EW NO TILES ARE GAY" tendency - see above posters - but they may have trouble understanding the presentational design required and actually grasping at the market opportunities.
I see a real boon for canny developers who never overspecialized. If you can put together a reliable set of web services to function as a data source, you're on the right track. Disconnected apps - whether cloud based or simply on local networks - are going to become prevalent, with multiple front-ends for different usage patterns.
For example - say you've got a server at home. Doesn't have to be fancy, any Apache-enabled NAS would do. And suppose you want to run, uh... your own mailserver. You write the mailserver. You expose its functionality internally via web services. You throw out a few web pages to make managing it easy remotely.
But you've got a tablet now, and Win8 is pretty powerful. So... you throw together a C#/XAML front-end using MMVM where your C# viewmodels regard the web services as the Model. And suddenly, you can admin your mailserver - or any other type of application - directly from your tablet while watching the telly.
Decoupling functionality from interface is where everyhing must go. Win8 apps are simply a good example of an interface.
Re: I'm so glad I work in Unix server programming
the irony is the MS have actually made GUI designing harder recently.
Only if you're too stupid to understand disconnected programming models.
Sneering like that makes you look fifteen years old, max. The main gripe of those griping is that they don't like it because EW TILES EW COOTIES METROSEXUAL
Go ahead. Call it gay. You know you want to.
" I went out and bought [...] Windows 7"
To go with your penguin. Right.
My debian boxes were free. I just don't understand how stupid the commentards are being. "Wah wah tiles wah M$ wah wah monopolist 14 years ago wah wah want it to fail" as if that would make linux on the desktop more attractive to users.
For the record, I want it to succeed. It'll make a shitload of programming, network design and architecture work for all of us. The only people who I can see having a reason to want it to fail are lazy fucks on support desks who hate working.
What's the point? 30 seconds glance at the comments on any Windows 8-related topic shows clearly that about 85% of Reg commentards a) hate it and b) know exactly jack and shit about it beyond "I don't like tiles and M$ are teh eeeebilz", to judge from the endless FUD.
This will just be a hate-in. If I want to see cretins complaining about things which they never encounter, have no effect upon them and that they clearly don't understand, I'll read the Daily Mail.
Re: Shame it doesn't support Windows XP
It probably doesn't support Windows 3.1 either. Your point?
Re: XP was as secure as you wanted it to be
No, it really wasn't
Yes, it really was. The 9x layer was dealt with by Windows on Windows in XP, just as it was in 2K. WoW applications don't run with elevated privileges, except inside the WoW sandbox.
I dunno where you got that little rant from, but it's wrong
Another issue for the Telegraph is that historically, many of its readers live in rural ares which won't get LTE coverage anyway. Hell, a lot of the rural SouthWest doesn't get GSM let alone anything quicker from EE (or Orange/T-Mobile, whichever). You can sometimes scrape a low-speed 2G connection from O2 or Vodafone but anything on EE frequencies is basically reserved for urbanites.
And personally, there is absolutely no way I'd consider supporting a monopoly operator.
Note - I do not work for any mobile operator and have not done so since 1996.
Re: Cheapest is £300? Not true
Why do you want WP to fail?
Re: "No, the real Windows Phone 8 advantage is actually that it's not iOS or Android"
you forgot your icon.
Here, take one.
Re: @Steve Evans
No, it's called "cross-licensing". Without it, there would be no cellular phones. At all.
And to the OP - "If they have icons with rounded corners" - they don't. Tiles. WP uses tiles and if there's one thing you can certainly say in its favour, it's that it is not copying ANY current mobile OS in any way whatsoever. Apple could try to sue Microsoft but there is absolutely no way they'd ever manage to make a case. Not even a jury full of rabid fanbois and Judge Lucy Koh could find any similarities however hard they tried.
Re: It's the operators who will decide
I know. But to assume that this makes Skype more dangerous to operators is stupid. Laughably stupid. Which is why I laughed, through my coffee.
Re: It's the operators who will decide
Microsoft also plans to bring Skype to the mobile plane
Are you suggesting that iOS and Android don't support Skype?
You owe me a keyboard.
While I'd prefer it if they dropped the Developer fees, I suppose it does help to filter out the fart apps.
bowdlerization on the Reg? Grow some balls, man.
Re: swerving wildly off-topic
for a second there I misread "schoolkids" as "scaffolders" with hilarious mental images as a result.
Re: Run dialog isn't needed..
The "Power Users" menu - bottom left corner, right-click - has the Run dialog as one of its options. It works the same way as ever.
@AC- the "expert" in this case being you, with your clearly stated identity and qualifications?
The only bit I take issue with is the notion of "the healthy functioning of the planet". Planets don't function. They just are, until they collapse into the nearest star or get shattered into asteroids. Both of which could be regarded as "healthy function".
There is no "balance of nature". There is no "equilibrium". Stuff just happens.
Jesus being dead has no effect on your sins.
This is interesting, so I've been poking about in the Win8 SDKs to try to find the information you're looking for.
1. There's an explicit setting when you install Win8 regarding whether apps are allowed to send usage metrics to Microsoft. This data is collated under your Microsoft account provided you choose to allow it. If you choose not to allow it, no data is gathered.
2. The DNT:1 header sent by Internet Explorer 10 does not persist into apps. However, each app makes HTTP calls in its own session. You could in theory have an unlimited number of browser sessions open with an unlimited number of applications and there is no means of cross-referencing between them (unless done explicitly through Contracts, where an app sends a 1-way message to IE about, for example, what URL to open).
3. There isn't a Bing Maps app (that I can find). However, the SDK allows developers to build mapping functionality into WinRT Metro apps. Apps can only communicate with each other through Contracts (see #2). This does create the potential for an unscrupulous app-maker to implement app-to-app tracking, but only for apps which they themselves developed. None of the MS apps available implement this (and it's easy to tell because the source code for all the "majors" is provided in the SDK as example code).
The summary is that you could probably track users via apps if you could make them use many of your apps all at the same time but MS don't (and publicly say that they don't). You could not track users between apps and IE10 or (and because this would imply dropping to Desktop mode, I can be certain) between apps and any other browser.
If you wish to indulge in tinfoil-hattery, you could theorize that MS track everything via Microsoft account (if you use one) and that the released source of their apps is not the production source of their apps but that's delving deep into "they'm watchin me with rays, them and their big weasel" territory.
It's in Microsoft's best interests to appear to be the "The Good Guy" to their customers. Advertisers are not their customers, users are. Therefore, the logical take-home is that MS is unlikely to fuck over their customers.
You could say the same about Google but in that case, the advertisers are their customers while the users are not.
Downvoted for a) ranting and b) use of the work "pikey", which I and others of my ethnic background find personally offensive.
Re: HP has hopefully paid their 30% iTax
I hope so!
I bet Apple don't get the same prederential treatment when suing an American company.
Re: Good typing and mousing experiences
No Android manufacturer, so far as I know. My ExoPC has two fullsize USB ports and a full size HDMI port, along with a full size SD card slot but it's an ugly 11" beast with an Intel Atom chip. Win8 is pretty good on it, though.