2626 posts • joined 16 Nov 2009
fanbois and fandroids - counterproductive
Been reading the Reg for a long, long time. It's always been a place where linux was regarded as obviously the single best OS for everything, where Microsoft was the Beast of Redmond and where Apple was regarded as the tech world's equivalent to Scientology.
And there's some justification for all of this. None of it's all true but there's enough to truth there to amuse everyone.
The real problem I have with it nowadays is the lengths some people will go to over it. I'm going to assume that this is not new and that I've just got old, tired and contrary because otherwise it'd be a "kids these days" rant of the Daily Mail variety and anyone who knowingly posts that shit should have their fingers cut off. So let's assume it's just me. But let me show you what I mean.
Take any article about Windows 8. Take a look at the comments. Exhibit A - Bob Vistakin telling us all over and over and over how it's a massive failure. Before it's ever released.
Take any article where iOS is compared to Android. Exhibit B - a whole load of little penguin icons telling us how bad walled gardens are. As if people were unaware of the walled garden.
Take any article about XBox or WP7. Exhibit C - Barry Shitpeas wanting them both nuked from orbit, seemingly convinced that competition is a bad thing.
And exhibit D - Mikel actively inventing FUD about existing handsets not upgrading (note - MS staffers confirm that this is a lie) and refusing to give sources, with the tag line "if you want something more open, you know what to do". And a penguin.
Now, I can't speak for anyone else but this puts my back up. Every instinct I have says "fuck you, don't ever try to tell me what I can and can't use". And then there's the competition thing too - I approve of competition. I want RIM and webOS to do well too, however unlikely that may be. Because the thing is, if Apple wins or if Google wins or if Microsoft, wins, I lose. We all lose.
Reading those comments and those posts which seem deliberately designed to hurt the prospects of any item or company to succeed actively makes me want to go buy that product.
And it also puts me off the products they evangelize. Because if those products have such an appeal for fucktards like this then they must be as crass and brain-killing as those fucktards themselves are.
Every time you spew hate about something that's not "your team" - and it's really not your team, those companies do not give a flying fuck about you - you make me want to support whatever it is you hate. "Fuck you," I think. "Whatever you tell me is exactly what I won't do".
You bastards, you're even making me dislike my debian installs and I've had those since Bruce Perens took over from Murdock. Don't make me nuke them.
Would make a nice match with their existing output.
Furthermore, there's always EastEnders and My Big Fat
Racist Exploitation Gypsy Wedding and anything with Paddy McGuinness.
I saw 10,000BC in a Singapore hotel room with Mandarin subtitles. It was bad but I've seen much worse.
Johnny Depp's Wonka came across as a real child molester. It was just unpleasant.
The Secret of My Success has Helen Slater in it and is therefore exempt from all criticism.
Oh, that 80's schoolboy crush...
Re: Citizen Kane
Citizen Kane doesn't really count. That's like comparing cuniform tablets to Umberto Eco. Orson Welles pretty much invented modern film-making techniques with that one and all the stuff that bores you was astonishingly revolutionary when it was first done.
Is it old hat and boring as all hell now? Sure. But without it, all cinema would be shit.
Re: Anything with the number 2 in the title
And there's always Godfather 2 to ruin your theory. It's brilliant.
Fuck, I sort-of agree with Barry.
It's not the worst, but it is Pocahontas for Furries and as such should be ritually burned.,
In before Battlefield Earth becomes undisputed champ.
Re: @dogged - They were all sold Vista, whether they wanted it or not
I would not be surprised if >50% of the "Vista" sales were actually running XP SP2.
I would. Inertia is a very powerful thing. 20%, maybe. But say you're right. Say it's only 100 million sales instead of 200 million. That still makes Mac OSX look like WP7 so I restate my earlier sentiment. If 100,000,000 sales is a trainwreck to you, then only Microsoft have ever released a successful operating system.
I have of course done tech support - my own and other people's code needs to be supported by somebody who knows how it works. Nothing is perfect and I'm (probably) no genius. Is there any actual non-IQ (which can be gamed) way to tell these things anyway?
But supporting Metro as a hard job is a bit of a stretch, despite what people have posted here. You just change the tech support script.
"Have you tried clicking on the bottom left of the screen"?
"Press the WIndows Key and Tab key at the same time"
"Press the Alt key and the Tab key at the same time"
"Click on the square with the word "Excel" on it"
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
There you go, first-liners with your cardiac health concerns. I have just done your nightmarishly difficult job for you in under thirty seconds. Perhaps you'd like me to code a text-to-speech widget as well so that you can be unemployed?
because clearly, they'd never have actually chosen to install Vista. Every last one of those OEMs and buyers would have installed linux, right?
Don';t you dare respond with "no they wanted XP" because if they wanted XP they could have it. That way lies the usual FUD.
I ran it for a year or so and never quite understood what all the hatred was about. 7 is not so different, just quicker booting and with a couple less annoyances.
I suspect the real "train wreck" about Vista was that it wasn't XP2. Which is a kind of similar situation to this.
I strongly recommend you give technical support a try
No thanks, I have actual skills.
Vista made 200,000,000 sales. I'd like that kind of trainwreck, please.
So would Apple. So would Canonical and so would RHEL. Hyperbole is an easy thing to overdo, isn't it?
I'll try to answer as honestly as possible.
I'm a professional developer. As such, I guess I probably count as "advanced" although I'd remind readers that the "advancement" in this case is specialized - I don't know about things I have no reason to use such as CAD packages or DTP or spreadsheets.
A further point of order is that it took me a week to get to the stage of "okay, I was probably wrong, I can not only work with this but I actually like it". That time period is going to be different for every user. In some cases it will be shorter, in some cases it may take past the heat-death of the Universe, I don't know. What I do know is that from a USB install to fully capable of being productive - ie, install Office 2010, download and install VS11, put Firefox on it, set up my media shares, install about 40GB worth of games - took probably two evenings worth of non-concentrated fiddling. The Win8 install itself from USB took about 15 minutes, which shocked me since I don't have an SSD on this box.
Given a ghosted or Admin-controlled standard build, Michelle from Accounts would skip all that. And it's not like you can't find Michelle's things in the Metro launcher, barring Shutdown and Restart and custom shortcuts installed as part of a standard build would sort that.
To be honest, I expect users to piss and moan about any little change. That's what users do. That doesn't, however, mean that Win8's not usable almost immediately given some clever config by the IT folks.
What surprises me is that we, the IT folks are here bitching about Metro and feeding the Apple trolls and those three guys who insist that Desktop Linux is very nearly workable now (and one of those is me) while gleefully proclaiming the death of Microsoft when... when we should be pleased by this.
It keeps us in work. It gives us some new toys to tinker with. It'll get us paid to make Michelle's life easier.
I mean seriously, how come Reg readers - devs and sysadmins, supposedly - are all out here bitching like a bunch of schoolgirls or fifth-rate first-line support drones? It's bizarre.
Took me less than a week, I suppose, to completely get used to it.
Some theming, some rejigging of the main Start screen to show only what I regularly use, hit the Windows key and start typing for anything I don't regularly use (mind you, I do that in Win7 anyway). Custom shortcuts on the Start screen for Shutdown and Restart, proper groups for Office, VS11 et al, a few ("serious", not "casual") games and some utilities.
To begin with, Metro annoyed the living crap out of me. Now, it's just a Launcher. Most of the Metro apps that are currently shipping might good enough for tablets but are a huge bag of crap compared to proper desktop applications.
With just the launcher and a little familiarity, I'm starting to appreciate the improvements in the actual OS. It's pretty good. It's certainly quick and inbuilt utils have way better functionality. I could use it over 7, although it's not worth the standard upgrade price.
The Metro launcher? Might be nice on a tablet. I rarely see it, to be honest.
And actually, also because this way the author gets a royalty. Which is a good thing. He's not Dan Brown, doesn't sell what in Dan's Brown case I will just barely dignify with the term "book" by the hundred million and could probably use the revenue.
because I just wandering around a bookshop on my lunch break and saw it. It's a great book but seeing was the only thing that reminded me of that. I wouldn't have thought of it otherwise.
Anno Dracula is back in print!
Re: It's Friday
Re: Windows Server 8
the "brain dead" mentality of most Microsoft Windows Server admins
stopped reading when you went all *nix bigot.
Re: Drink the Koolaide Much?
go watch Lockernome's Dad try and use it.
In a VM. On a Mac. With help from his Appleista kid. That looks like a fairtest to me!
That's just dirty.
And it'll be even dirtier once LTE comes along.
why is there an Apple forum?
Is it so you can segregate the cultists away from non-religious people?
I read "your mate's new iPad" as referring to the new iPad - that one with the networking tech that doesn't work here and that's heavier and thicker than the old one but that fuckwits will still sleep on pavements for.
You know, that one.
So £400 quid - not so far off, really.
that depends on whether or not the saving of £400 (a mortgage payment right there) was important to me.
You got the wrong icon - here's an appropriate one.
Re: Prince Charles
Of course, the heir to the throne and serial charity-patron (not to mention contributor) would be prime suspect in a scam involving the theft of copyright from Primary School children.
I agree that the money needs to be followed but I think you might sniffing a trail that exists only in your head.
Re: Just occured to me
I suspect real soldiers would complain about that one.
Re: "Current phones are not compatible with "Apollo""
Confirmed as FUD
Re: "Current phones are not compatible with "Apollo""
If it didn't do multitasking, you couldn't - for example - listen to music while checking your email or navigating to somewhere. Both of which I do fairly regularly.
Granted, most third-party developers are restricted in this via managed code but MS have clearly worked with many devs to provide native code apps, which do multitask.
Which leaves us back at speculation and Mikel making shit up to try to boost Android. Which is in turn, fucking weird - Android doesn't need boosting.
Re: Password protect it and you don't get it back.
(genuinely) cool story, bro.
Re: Anyone who uses a QR code
Almost nobody uses QR codes. Hate to tell you.
I checked around the Android and iPhone users in the office here - only one has ever used a QR code and that was for booking concert tickets.
Also, nobody cares enough to scan a QR code put up J3st3r because nobody has any time for that prick.
Re: more gay police please
rather than yourself, the person using the stereotype
except that I didn't use it.
Thank you for playing, though. You might also want to give Alan Carr and Graham Norton a call, as I believe they might have missed your memo.
As an aside:
I don't have much sympathy for people being offended, to be honest. Stephen Fry covered that one pretty well. Neither do I think there is anything necessarily effeminate or camp about gay people. Why so many low-rate trash-class entertainers and talk show hosts feel the need to bring back the spirit of 70's "safe" gays is beyond me. I thought all that was over when Peter Tatchell ceremonially handbagged an effigy of Larry Grayson to death in 1991.
On the other hand, harmless camp coppers would be a big improvement on the surveillance obsessed, bought-and-sold by press, government and private interests collection of testosterone-fuelled gun-nuts we seem to have at the moment.
Re: more gay police please
So they're offended. Perhaps the phrase "man up" might be misinterpreted?
My point was - effeminacy and Erasure are much more friendly images than the usual jackbooted thug in a copper's uniform. And maybe all those gay people you know might want to be a bit less stereotypically sensitive about it.
Re: more gay police please
At least it's a nice stereotype, though.
But since you're on Orange and T-Mobile, you won't have enough signal to notice any difference.
Re: IE still exists?
IE9 is pretty good, and certainly standards-compliant.
I don't use it - because there is no AdBlock+ for it, mostly - but I do have to test against it and it seems fine. Harmless, functional, pretty quick...
But no ABP, no NoScript, no dictionaries and no Inspect Element means I think it's got a way to go. It's a shitload better than Safari though, and it's not actively spyware like Chrome.
Re: Opera Browser
1. This article was about Firefox. I'm sure you've heard of it, it's very popular.
2. Very few people use Opera. They like Firefox though. And it's certainly not Google Chrome spyware, except possibly on Android where it uses Google's APIs.
Re: never mind the story,
Nah, Lester always wins on those.
Re: in other news
It may or may not be related, but I think that's inevitable anyway.
Re: Thank god/allah/bhudda
Fuck off, Barry.
Re: Thank god/allah/bhudda
I download maps at home in order to use wifi avoid doing it over capped mobile data, but your mileage clearly varies.
No pun intended.
but the "floating finger" is just begging to send pocket messages.
I'd pay for this
or rather, I'd pay for PAYG access to the BBC's archive.
The current iPlayer "catch-up" model is fine (from a consumer PoV) and doesn't need updating; shows vanish a week or so after they've finished airing and go into that magical archive. Once there, asking for a small fee to watch anything they've got stashed away seems like a bargain to me.
Re: Not the first, not the last...
> implying the British Government is less stupid
Azure also runs about 50% of iCloud, so presumably Apple are that stupid too. Enjoy the moment, Bob. It'll make you feel better when MS cough out another record-breaking set of sales figures for Win7 later in the year.
Re: Sharry Pit Bees
You've clearly not be reading any stories about Sony or Android then.
- Does Apple's iOS make you physically SICK? Try swallowing version 7.1
- Fee fie Firefox: Mozilla's lawyers probe Dell over browser install charge
- Pics Indestructible Death Stars blow up planets with glowing KILL RAY
- Video Snowden: You can't trust SPOOKS with your DATA
- Review Distro diaspora: Four flavours of Ubuntu unpacked