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Re: Re: wat
Not really, because you can develop desktops apps against WinRT (it ain't just for Metro) and, according to the same entry distribute them through MS Windows AppMarketStore™, and those'll run on ARM.
So saying "there's desktop but only for office and IE" is sort of, er, not true.
Re: It's amazing
Well, the precedent's been set now. And the x86/x64 versions are still yours to fool with as you will.
I still want to know which fantasist made up the entire premise of this article though - WOA will run Desktop apps if they're compiled with WinRT and downloaded from the Windows Store/Shop/Market/Poundsaver/whatever.
There's a need to distinguish the fact that you can't load your own software on an ARM tablet but have to get it the "approved" way, I suppose, but the "tablet" and "slate" distinctions should help with that.
"If you don’t like Metro, WOA won’t let you seek refuge in the more conventional Windows desktop. That’s because while WOA will have a desktop option, just two apps can use it – Microsoft’s Office 2015 and Internet Explorer 10."
Source, please. Because that's not what Sinofsky's blog says.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: obsolete single-core
Yes, the first batch (reportedly, I haven't got one and don't work for Nokia or MS so I can;t state with certainty) had shitty battery life. It was apparently an implementation thing. Later batches don't have the issue (also reportedly).
We can all be snide, you know. If I went looking, I expect I could battery-draining reports on some early or shoddy Android implementations. Or exploding iPhone batteries. But that wouldn't do anything except make both of us look like we're trying to score cheap points instead of discuss the issue, would it?
Re: Re: Re: Re: obsolete single-core
I thought this was about shoddy OS implementation driving ever hungrier chips. And you know as well as I do that all you fat dual-core smartphones guzzle juice like an American economy car.
The continued "WP7 is shit because it doesn't support hardware you shouldn't need" thing is getting pretty old, dude. As well as not really relevant.
I have to ask, I mean really.
Why the HELL is making phone chips more powerful and more thirsty regarded as a good thing? Why would I want to buy more expensive hardware in order to make up for the failings of a crufty and poorly optimized OS?
In my little word, software needing more powerful horsepower is a bad thing. Your mileage clearly varies.
Re: I'm already running this type of config
> "Give it a quad core and it'd FLY for an hour"
Fixed that for you.
wholly inexhaustive and spur-of-the-moment testing prompted by your query indicates that Bing does indeed honour P3P codes although I can't test live.com services without actually logging into them (and thus using Passport, which pretty much ruins any test).
So, MS apparently honour privacy, Gioogle don't and MS are pathetic and desperate scumbags? What an odd world you live in.
Re: Would be nice...
er, we eat cows.
Unless you're a vegetablist, in which case your extinction is assured anyway. I realize this will come as a shock, but we all die eventually. Even if we jog and eat tofu.
"corporate apps for Mac"
I agree entirely with your logic but how big is the corporate apps for Mac market, compared with consumerware?
OSX is not exactly a corporate staple.
The Transformer and the Atrix - the future?
I'm interested in how you guys see the evolution of technology from here. Given the following basics -
ARM SoCs are now as "powerful" in raw terms as whole desktop computers were 5 years ago. The Atrix is a phone that runs into a laptop. The Transformer is a tablet that turns into a laptop.
Is the future modular?
Re: Re: @the coward
In any case, "just switch everything to linux" is a retarded idea.
Suppose you, with 10 years of experience in various linux flavours, are suddenly told everything is going Windows/Active Directory. Will you secure it well?
No. Because you don't know what you're doing.
The same is true for somebody who can design and implement a secure Active Directory forest - at least as secure as anything you can create. He can't just switch over to linux and magically make everything "better". And linux-based networks he puts together will be crap, just as any windows-based networks you put together will be crap.
Is it possible to create a secure Windows network and desktop? Absolutely. Try working some of the places I've worked, the military establishments, the defence ministries, the high finance houses. Windows has been evolved to sell into those houses.
All security is a trade-off against convenience. Those people don't care about convenience. and their networks are solid. Cold that be done with linux? Quite probably, yes. Should it be? Only if you want to spend far more than the cost-price of a Windows environment on retraining.
Could it be done _better_? Almost certainly not.
Re: @eulampios: e cazzata cosi
It is not and cannot be invulnerable. You're comparing a fortress which has been attacked and taken many time to one which has never been properly tested. NOT because it's clearly "better" in any way, merely because more obvious (and profitable) targets exist.
In Singapore, the answer is PAYG
It costs 18 dollars (less than a tenner) for a PAYG SIM, you get S$20 credit, you can buy 5GB for S$7 which is available over seven days. And, and this is important, you buy data with your call credit. Not with extra payments. And you can very easily negotiate/haggle with top-up vendors over the face cost of added credit. It's great.
If you happen to be passing through, I recommend it. Never had a problem.
The point is, any application is a threat vector. ANY application, regardless of OS.
So I shall continue to laugh at people who think "oh I'm on linux/OSX/whatever and therefore I am a) safe and b) MORALLY SUPERIOR to anyone on 'doze".
Because the real threat vector is those idiots. Stupidity is the largest possible threat to security.
> implying that anything on Linux is invulnerable
I need a "barely suppressed laughter" icon.
Evil Dick is Clinton's thing. And how exactly was I racist?
Ouch. I mean seriously, ouch. "sub-Evanescence" may be the worst insult I've seen since "a bit like Coldplay".
A playlist suggested by most of those spreading stuff about Obama could be limited to "Straight Up Nigga" by Ice T on a loop.
Because that is, after all, their REAL problem with the guy.
@John A Blackley
"a television out there with a built-in computer". "actual all-in-one piece of kit".
I think there may be one or two, yes.
This link is only for information. I do not advise ANYONE to buy from PC World. I active advise everyone not to buy from PC World, in fact.
just as safe there as it is anywhere else
Not true, sadly.
The USA PATRIOT act means that ANY data held by any company registered in the USA can be seized by us.gov at any time. If you work on secure sites (as I often do), that is unacceptable. Whereas an internal network share would be perfectly fine (given the usual AD lockdown) as it bypasses Microsoft (and the phone carrier) entirely.
None of the current crop of Windows Phones is acceptable on a secure site anyway though - they've all got cameras.
I used 2K right up until XPSpack2 simply because I felt no need to upgrade.
Apple TV is a joke at any practical level. Oh sure, if they actually make a telly* that might change things (i doubt it) but you'd have to be deep, deep in the "Personal Enemy of Xenu" level of the cult before you got one of these things for itself rather than as an XBMC box.
*We still have only rumours about a telly. And yet there is already industry puff, PR and scrambling. If I were Apple I'd vigorously refuse to answer (planted) questions about working on a iFridge just to see what the industry press does.
Cop: Prove you were the one using your Oyster Card
You: Wait, that's not how it goes, you have to prove things, not me.
Cop: Terrorist. Take him away.
What is this, Occupy Redmond?
If you don't like it, use win7. If you don't like the way it works on ARM then you can use the current Windows on ARM... oh wait, no you can't. Basically, this is a push to a new market. If you're not in that market, it's not your problem.
Just as a big FYI -
You can take Barry Shitpeas' word for what Win8 on ARM™ will do, or you could always just read what Steven Sinofsky has to say here:
Or you could look at both and decide for yourselves which has a better knowledge of the platform.
No, it was my own fault. I tried to call a delegate to a memory cache call which is specifically called out as horrible practice on MSDN and pretty much everywhere else. Should have known better, wasn't thinking.
Win7 has crashed on me twice, with one actual BSoD.
I can't blame it, I was coding DirectX in C++. These things happen when you're tired.
There may be some XBox fanboys out there, I suppose.
Personally, I AM looking forward to Win8 because... well, I wasn't. I didn't care much about it at all until I got an Android tablet.
Now, I'm certain that many people love their Android tablets and good for them, may they continue to enjoy their purchases, I wish them well. But I hate mine. It's tremendously limited and limiting. Using it for more than ten minutes makes me hate the imperfections and the missing functionality. And THEN, of course, I think "oh no problem, reach for the development environment... there isn't one". I'd have to go back to a PC to fix the holes (holes that I perceive and may not concern others for an instant, this is important) on the device that's supposed to make my life easier?
No. It's too crippled as a platform. For me, that is.
It's like being into SCUBA, I suppose. If you buy a splashproof watch, you're fine unless you're into SCUBA. Then you need something more fit for purpose.
You're full of shit, Barry.
The dev kit for the Developer Preview (basically, an earlier beta than this release by _months_) includes a full .NET runtime. That's how you can develop for .NET with it.
I love the way you're hating on a preview product that doesn't even exist yet. Anyone might think you felt a little.... threatened?
In the same way that, for example, I suspect it will be all but impossible to install Win8 on an iPad2, I think it's highly unlikely that MS are ever going to release an install firmware for tablets that aren't designed for purpose.
It's not like buying a copy of Win7 from PC World. At all.
I agree and would also wholeheartedly recommend an iPad to a Mac/iPhone user. Er... wait... no I wouldn't. I'd only recommend it if they had a requirement for such a device. But basically, yes. If you're already bought into one way of doing things, keeping it makes sense.
"Lenovo Thinkpad [..] will be able to run Windows 8"
I doubt it, it doesn't have the UEFI gubbins going on.
16GB is pretty good, for free.
But the article is wrong. SkyDrive is 25GB for free, not 5GB. You get 5GB with "Mesh" which autosynchs but 25GB you can manually do stuff with.
(the Mesh 5GB is considered a subset of the overall SkyDrive 25GB so sadly you can't get 30GB for free. A pity).
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