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.NET is not. (It's absence is the main reason why Win8 manages a smaller footprint than Win7.)
Uh, what? Yes it is. .NET4 is installed by default, .NET3.5 (which is cumulative and contains .NET1, .NET1.1, .NET2.0, .NET3.0 and .NET3.5 itself) is an option install, like IIS.
Where is all this ".NET IS DED O NOEZ WE IZ ALL DUMED" bullshit coming from? It can't be from .NET developers, who already know better.
So what's the source? Ignorant people with big mouths or deliberate FUD? Gotta be one or the other.
Hobbit dollars. We have no idea what the actual price is yet.
Re: Made by Acer !!!
They certainly have been for the past few years but it seems to be something that Acer are aware of. There have been various stories about their board recognizing the quality issue and being determined to go higher quality and higher price.
Pity about the price - the quality change remains to be seen.
There's "All Apps" which does the same thing.
as a power user, I couldn't make it work easily
Wow, you must be a seriously intelligent and supersmart "power user". Couldn't rearrange the burrons? I know, right-click and then drag is so hard, right?
So you predict failure because obviously everyone is more stupid than you since you're such a talented "power user".
I love this, it's hilarious. My 68 year old mother managed it and she's no "power user". She was a nurse before nursing was counted as a degree course so obviously she can't be anywhere near so clever as you.
Agreed, hence the spoof ads.
"Hi, I'm a Mac"
"He's a PC. What are you doing, PC?"
"Haha, yeah, gaming, what games have you got?"
"All of them. Bitch".
Re: WinPho8 ha no chance
Actually, they were found guilty of attempting a leverage a legal monopoly into another market (to wit, browsers).
The monopoly was not illegal. "Convicted monopolist", a phrase that's used a lot on the Reg comments, is meaningless in this instance.
Re: Other phone companies...
Huawei are also confirming at least one WP8 handset.
I'm not quite certain who it is that's downvoting raw verifiable information given in answer to a query but it does make one wonder (even more) at the kind of educationally subnormal individual on the internet these days.
Re: WinPho8 ha no chance
Microsoft are an immoral company
And Google and Apple are moral companies?
Re: The advantages of a reboot
Any guesses as to what a £100 Windows 8 phone will be like?
Maybe, and this is just a wild stab in the dark you understand, a bit like the £120 Lumia 710 and £100 Lumia 610?
Re: Assuming of course...
You get a lot of kiddies out there who grew up on engadget and gizmodo and don't actually understand what the term "vaporware" means.
This is evidently one of them.
Re: The problem is Windows.
People don't want Windows on their phone.
YOU don't want Windows on your phone. The public don't buy a Windows Phone or an Android Phone. They buy a Nokia or an HTC or a Samsung or whatever. The only exception is that they do buy an iPhone, although most still don't know what iOS is, merely that Apple stuff all works with other Apple stuff.
They don't know what Android is at all and Windows is just the thing on the laptop.
Re: Other phone companies...
not sure who else because all news is about Nokia.
HTC, ZTE and Lenovo have confirmed that they'll be producing WP8 phones.
Quality remains the question.
I think that's a really bad idea, sadly.
There are bound to be issues with the VM and apps will crash. And Win8 will get the blame for that, not the app or Android. Even though Android apps are notoriously crashy anyway.
Re: challenge accepted
Re: weather <> climate
Educate me then.
Criticism without education is what I've grown to expect from the Anthropomorphic Climate Change religion. Break the pattern. Show without sneering.
Re: weather <> climate
@Steve Knox -
I might. Joe Average shouldn't unless clear definitions are given, which they pretty much never are.
Usually Joe gets "the climate is getting warmer". Then he sees record cold winters. Then he's told "that's just weather, not climate you ignorant fool. Gaia will smite you!" which is not the behaviour of responsible scientists. Neither, incidentally, is RTFM - that's the behaviour of the smug geek. What Joe Public gets to listen to is a priesthood which condemns those who argue with it and threatens apocalypse unless it is placated with vast amounts of money.
Without a move to a) educate and b) genuinely debate - ie, stop calling people deniers and abusing their intellect - this situation can only worsen.
Re: It's a start.
You have blasphemed against the Earth Mother in your noticing of inspired* evidence and must be downvoted.
*It's not faked, it's inspired.
weather <> climate
Alright, you're boring me now.
I see this trotted a LOT. Usually when there's some report showing that the Apocalypse is not about to occur tomorrow and that the New Gaians might in fact be spouting a religion rather than actually using the scientific method to study anything beyond their articles of faith.
What this means to the victim on the street is "that thing you thought we were talking about where there's floods and droughts and apocalypse and the weather KILLS YOU DEAD? It's not weather. It's a special magic thing called climate that you don't understand. But I understand it. I can bless you and save you from your sins. Give me thirty-five million pounds for a new wind farm or GAIA WILL BE ANGRY".
(Note - no opinion on whether the climate is changing due to human activity or indeed whether any alteration of human activity is required, sensible or not was made in this post. Only the assertion that all priests are scammers, Gaian as much as any other).
World + Dog applauds
I think you meant
arsehole writes pointlessly snide comment.
As one Facebook contact (who may be the world's closest approximation to Super Mario in appearance) told me
Matt Assay is Facebook-friends with Ron Jeremy.
Re: this device will fall flat in the UK...
that's why there are no laptops in the workplace, right?
Re: Another reason
But those who buy iPhones will buy it anyway.
And salesmorons won't exactly be going out of their way to explain this little deficiency to the average punter.
iBuyer - "I heard it has the Four Gees?"
O2 Rep - "Totally. It has four gees. And a totally unique screen that frames your videos with these awesome black sides."
iBuyer - *orgasm*
Re: Nokia PureView 808
Symbian Belle. Android doesn't have the chops to run that beast. Nor does WP (yet).
Re: Fanbois relying on Cupertino's idiot-tax outfit
Shows what I know. Where is the Reg getting "idiot tax" from then?
Re: Fanbois relying on Cupertino's idiot-tax outfit
One that doesn't make you pay for the privilege, possibly?
I mean, come on. Not even Microsoft do that. That's just skeevy.
Re: "Fanbois see it as their God"
I've never saw a fanboi (using your words) say something like "I'll buy it for any price since it is from Apple"
I have. Also many variations on the "shut up and take my money" theme. Announce a product with a largely redundant screen resolution or that iTV thing they keep blathering about and watch it happen.
Re: One Fact Forgotten
and the HTC touch never existed.
Re: Cart before the horse
Re: BAe phone
You know very well that Lewis usually decries Euro-projects in favour of buying something that works and is cheaper (often from the US).
On a TIFKAM based environment I can only use whatever Microsoft provides me with in their marketplace.
Not true. You can still run any desktop or web applications exactly as you do in Windows 7. They just won't be Metro/Windows Store apps.
Given the fact that 85% of the Reg's commentards hate Metro anyway, surely this is not a problem?
Re: "Sneering like that makes you look fifteen years old, max"
I don't think you know what irony is.
Also, this whole thread proves my original point. It'll be a hate fest where morons from support - El Reg's new main readership, apparently - spew bile on the whole concept of Windows 8 in order to avoid having to do any fucking work.
Enjoy your script.
Re: Jobs n Stuff
Depends on the IT pros in question, doesn't it?
.NET is stil extremely viable as a skill set and interaction with the WinRT library is still largely done through managed code. Your basic C#/XAML app developer will have no trouble writing a Win8 app unless s/he's of the "EW NO TILES ARE GAY" tendency - see above posters - but they may have trouble understanding the presentational design required and actually grasping at the market opportunities.
I see a real boon for canny developers who never overspecialized. If you can put together a reliable set of web services to function as a data source, you're on the right track. Disconnected apps - whether cloud based or simply on local networks - are going to become prevalent, with multiple front-ends for different usage patterns.
For example - say you've got a server at home. Doesn't have to be fancy, any Apache-enabled NAS would do. And suppose you want to run, uh... your own mailserver. You write the mailserver. You expose its functionality internally via web services. You throw out a few web pages to make managing it easy remotely.
But you've got a tablet now, and Win8 is pretty powerful. So... you throw together a C#/XAML front-end using MMVM where your C# viewmodels regard the web services as the Model. And suddenly, you can admin your mailserver - or any other type of application - directly from your tablet while watching the telly.
Decoupling functionality from interface is where everyhing must go. Win8 apps are simply a good example of an interface.
Re: I'm so glad I work in Unix server programming
the irony is the MS have actually made GUI designing harder recently.
Only if you're too stupid to understand disconnected programming models.
Sneering like that makes you look fifteen years old, max. The main gripe of those griping is that they don't like it because EW TILES EW COOTIES METROSEXUAL
Go ahead. Call it gay. You know you want to.
" I went out and bought [...] Windows 7"
To go with your penguin. Right.
My debian boxes were free. I just don't understand how stupid the commentards are being. "Wah wah tiles wah M$ wah wah monopolist 14 years ago wah wah want it to fail" as if that would make linux on the desktop more attractive to users.
For the record, I want it to succeed. It'll make a shitload of programming, network design and architecture work for all of us. The only people who I can see having a reason to want it to fail are lazy fucks on support desks who hate working.
What's the point? 30 seconds glance at the comments on any Windows 8-related topic shows clearly that about 85% of Reg commentards a) hate it and b) know exactly jack and shit about it beyond "I don't like tiles and M$ are teh eeeebilz", to judge from the endless FUD.
This will just be a hate-in. If I want to see cretins complaining about things which they never encounter, have no effect upon them and that they clearly don't understand, I'll read the Daily Mail.
Re: Shame it doesn't support Windows XP
It probably doesn't support Windows 3.1 either. Your point?
Re: XP was as secure as you wanted it to be
No, it really wasn't
Yes, it really was. The 9x layer was dealt with by Windows on Windows in XP, just as it was in 2K. WoW applications don't run with elevated privileges, except inside the WoW sandbox.
I dunno where you got that little rant from, but it's wrong
Another issue for the Telegraph is that historically, many of its readers live in rural ares which won't get LTE coverage anyway. Hell, a lot of the rural SouthWest doesn't get GSM let alone anything quicker from EE (or Orange/T-Mobile, whichever). You can sometimes scrape a low-speed 2G connection from O2 or Vodafone but anything on EE frequencies is basically reserved for urbanites.
And personally, there is absolutely no way I'd consider supporting a monopoly operator.
Note - I do not work for any mobile operator and have not done so since 1996.
Re: Cheapest is £300? Not true
Why do you want WP to fail?
Re: "No, the real Windows Phone 8 advantage is actually that it's not iOS or Android"
you forgot your icon.
Here, take one.
Re: @Steve Evans
No, it's called "cross-licensing". Without it, there would be no cellular phones. At all.
And to the OP - "If they have icons with rounded corners" - they don't. Tiles. WP uses tiles and if there's one thing you can certainly say in its favour, it's that it is not copying ANY current mobile OS in any way whatsoever. Apple could try to sue Microsoft but there is absolutely no way they'd ever manage to make a case. Not even a jury full of rabid fanbois and Judge Lucy Koh could find any similarities however hard they tried.
While I'd prefer it if they dropped the Developer fees, I suppose it does help to filter out the fart apps.
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