2618 posts • joined 16 Nov 2009
Re: "Sneering like that makes you look fifteen years old, max"
I don't think you know what irony is.
Also, this whole thread proves my original point. It'll be a hate fest where morons from support - El Reg's new main readership, apparently - spew bile on the whole concept of Windows 8 in order to avoid having to do any fucking work.
Enjoy your script.
Re: Jobs n Stuff
Depends on the IT pros in question, doesn't it?
.NET is stil extremely viable as a skill set and interaction with the WinRT library is still largely done through managed code. Your basic C#/XAML app developer will have no trouble writing a Win8 app unless s/he's of the "EW NO TILES ARE GAY" tendency - see above posters - but they may have trouble understanding the presentational design required and actually grasping at the market opportunities.
I see a real boon for canny developers who never overspecialized. If you can put together a reliable set of web services to function as a data source, you're on the right track. Disconnected apps - whether cloud based or simply on local networks - are going to become prevalent, with multiple front-ends for different usage patterns.
For example - say you've got a server at home. Doesn't have to be fancy, any Apache-enabled NAS would do. And suppose you want to run, uh... your own mailserver. You write the mailserver. You expose its functionality internally via web services. You throw out a few web pages to make managing it easy remotely.
But you've got a tablet now, and Win8 is pretty powerful. So... you throw together a C#/XAML front-end using MMVM where your C# viewmodels regard the web services as the Model. And suddenly, you can admin your mailserver - or any other type of application - directly from your tablet while watching the telly.
Decoupling functionality from interface is where everyhing must go. Win8 apps are simply a good example of an interface.
Re: I'm so glad I work in Unix server programming
the irony is the MS have actually made GUI designing harder recently.
Only if you're too stupid to understand disconnected programming models.
Sneering like that makes you look fifteen years old, max. The main gripe of those griping is that they don't like it because EW TILES EW COOTIES METROSEXUAL
Go ahead. Call it gay. You know you want to.
" I went out and bought [...] Windows 7"
To go with your penguin. Right.
My debian boxes were free. I just don't understand how stupid the commentards are being. "Wah wah tiles wah M$ wah wah monopolist 14 years ago wah wah want it to fail" as if that would make linux on the desktop more attractive to users.
For the record, I want it to succeed. It'll make a shitload of programming, network design and architecture work for all of us. The only people who I can see having a reason to want it to fail are lazy fucks on support desks who hate working.
What's the point? 30 seconds glance at the comments on any Windows 8-related topic shows clearly that about 85% of Reg commentards a) hate it and b) know exactly jack and shit about it beyond "I don't like tiles and M$ are teh eeeebilz", to judge from the endless FUD.
This will just be a hate-in. If I want to see cretins complaining about things which they never encounter, have no effect upon them and that they clearly don't understand, I'll read the Daily Mail.
Re: Shame it doesn't support Windows XP
It probably doesn't support Windows 3.1 either. Your point?
Re: XP was as secure as you wanted it to be
No, it really wasn't
Yes, it really was. The 9x layer was dealt with by Windows on Windows in XP, just as it was in 2K. WoW applications don't run with elevated privileges, except inside the WoW sandbox.
I dunno where you got that little rant from, but it's wrong
Re: Fanbois relying on Cupertino's idiot-tax outfit
One that doesn't make you pay for the privilege, possibly?
I mean, come on. Not even Microsoft do that. That's just skeevy.
Re: "Fanbois see it as their God"
I've never saw a fanboi (using your words) say something like "I'll buy it for any price since it is from Apple"
I have. Also many variations on the "shut up and take my money" theme. Announce a product with a largely redundant screen resolution or that iTV thing they keep blathering about and watch it happen.
Re: BAe phone
You know very well that Lewis usually decries Euro-projects in favour of buying something that works and is cheaper (often from the US).
Another issue for the Telegraph is that historically, many of its readers live in rural ares which won't get LTE coverage anyway. Hell, a lot of the rural SouthWest doesn't get GSM let alone anything quicker from EE (or Orange/T-Mobile, whichever). You can sometimes scrape a low-speed 2G connection from O2 or Vodafone but anything on EE frequencies is basically reserved for urbanites.
And personally, there is absolutely no way I'd consider supporting a monopoly operator.
Note - I do not work for any mobile operator and have not done so since 1996.
Re: Cheapest is £300? Not true
Why do you want WP to fail?
Re: "No, the real Windows Phone 8 advantage is actually that it's not iOS or Android"
you forgot your icon.
Here, take one.
Re: @Steve Evans
No, it's called "cross-licensing". Without it, there would be no cellular phones. At all.
And to the OP - "If they have icons with rounded corners" - they don't. Tiles. WP uses tiles and if there's one thing you can certainly say in its favour, it's that it is not copying ANY current mobile OS in any way whatsoever. Apple could try to sue Microsoft but there is absolutely no way they'd ever manage to make a case. Not even a jury full of rabid fanbois and Judge Lucy Koh could find any similarities however hard they tried.
Re: It's the operators who will decide
I know. But to assume that this makes Skype more dangerous to operators is stupid. Laughably stupid. Which is why I laughed, through my coffee.
Re: It's the operators who will decide
Microsoft also plans to bring Skype to the mobile plane
Are you suggesting that iOS and Android don't support Skype?
You owe me a keyboard.
While I'd prefer it if they dropped the Developer fees, I suppose it does help to filter out the fart apps.
bowdlerization on the Reg? Grow some balls, man.
Re: swerving wildly off-topic
for a second there I misread "schoolkids" as "scaffolders" with hilarious mental images as a result.
Re: Run dialog isn't needed..
The "Power Users" menu - bottom left corner, right-click - has the Run dialog as one of its options. It works the same way as ever.
@AC- the "expert" in this case being you, with your clearly stated identity and qualifications?
The only bit I take issue with is the notion of "the healthy functioning of the planet". Planets don't function. They just are, until they collapse into the nearest star or get shattered into asteroids. Both of which could be regarded as "healthy function".
There is no "balance of nature". There is no "equilibrium". Stuff just happens.
Jesus being dead has no effect on your sins.
This is interesting, so I've been poking about in the Win8 SDKs to try to find the information you're looking for.
1. There's an explicit setting when you install Win8 regarding whether apps are allowed to send usage metrics to Microsoft. This data is collated under your Microsoft account provided you choose to allow it. If you choose not to allow it, no data is gathered.
2. The DNT:1 header sent by Internet Explorer 10 does not persist into apps. However, each app makes HTTP calls in its own session. You could in theory have an unlimited number of browser sessions open with an unlimited number of applications and there is no means of cross-referencing between them (unless done explicitly through Contracts, where an app sends a 1-way message to IE about, for example, what URL to open).
3. There isn't a Bing Maps app (that I can find). However, the SDK allows developers to build mapping functionality into WinRT Metro apps. Apps can only communicate with each other through Contracts (see #2). This does create the potential for an unscrupulous app-maker to implement app-to-app tracking, but only for apps which they themselves developed. None of the MS apps available implement this (and it's easy to tell because the source code for all the "majors" is provided in the SDK as example code).
The summary is that you could probably track users via apps if you could make them use many of your apps all at the same time but MS don't (and publicly say that they don't). You could not track users between apps and IE10 or (and because this would imply dropping to Desktop mode, I can be certain) between apps and any other browser.
If you wish to indulge in tinfoil-hattery, you could theorize that MS track everything via Microsoft account (if you use one) and that the released source of their apps is not the production source of their apps but that's delving deep into "they'm watchin me with rays, them and their big weasel" territory.
It's in Microsoft's best interests to appear to be the "The Good Guy" to their customers. Advertisers are not their customers, users are. Therefore, the logical take-home is that MS is unlikely to fuck over their customers.
You could say the same about Google but in that case, the advertisers are their customers while the users are not.
Re: Well now I've seen everything!
And you've seen it have you, in which case where is it?
It displays pretty clearly when you install the OS.
Re: it's pretty obvious how to turn it off
Windows 8 will be loaded down with Bing apps which will be analogous to Google apps on Android. They'll be tied into a single sign on through Live.com in much the same way too and will be tracking your location, searches and all the rest. If you think for a second that these will honour your privacy you're living in cloud cuckoo land. The primary reason for DNT is to give MS an unfair advantage in gathering data and in setting up their own ad services and to shut out other providers.
I'm running Windows 8 (release version) and you're wrong. The apps included make very sure that you agree to any service - location, whatever - that they use before allowing you to use them. Some offer opt-outs at that point, too.
What you've forgotten is that somebody who installs Windows 8 is Microsoft's customer. That's very different from Google, where you are their product and the advertisers are their customer. One could easily say that both companies are interested in keeping their customers happy.
The individual user's task here is to figure out which one works better for them. Do you want to buy some software or do you want to be sold to a spammer? Your call.
Re: Well now I've seen everything!
Actually, the license has been reworked and rather straightforward.
Bing and other MS properties are not absolutely exempted from DNT.
But nice try. Do you work for Adobe? Or Google?
Re: it's pretty obvious how to turn it off
Windows 8 has several good points. DNT is one of them.
Personally, I use Firefox but I have to go and find the setting every damn time I install it. For the "default" browser that the technically non-adept are likely to use to turn off tracking by default - that's a good thing by the standards of anyone who isn't just out to score points against Microsoft.
If Opera did this, the fourteen people who use Opera would be crowing it from the heavens.
From a comment -
"Wow. Just... wow. I had not realised just how much @royfielding's employers make from the User Tracking business.
Well played, sir.
Downvoted for a) ranting and b) use of the work "pikey", which I and others of my ethnic background find personally offensive.
Re: HP has hopefully paid their 30% iTax
I hope so!
I bet Apple don't get the same prederential treatment when suing an American company.
Re: Good typing and mousing experiences
No Android manufacturer, so far as I know. My ExoPC has two fullsize USB ports and a full size HDMI port, along with a full size SD card slot but it's an ugly 11" beast with an Intel Atom chip. Win8 is pretty good on it, though.
Someone is downvoting every positive comment about this film.
Did it make you cry?
1. Thanks for your review. I will now happily go see this film (in 2D).
2. Agreed about Rogue Trooper, provided it's the second Rogue Trooper.
Re: Does this include Windows 8 ?
Windows 8 (I don't know about RT because it's not loose in the wild yet, whereas my ExoPC tablet is happily running 8 Pro) already includes the browser ballot. And that's using the "got from Technet before it's even publicly available" version.
Re: Risk Aversion vs Unique appeal
Live (impossible to fake) tests and comparisons. Why aren't you posting these URLs too, Richard Plinston? Could it be that you have an agenda?
Two down votes for pointing out the truth?
The stills are and were legit (see link) and there are numerous live video demonstrations. It's very hard to fake those.
You've been taking what Richard Plinston says as the truth again, haven't you? Oh dear.
Re: The New Nokia Europhone
The BNP chooses Android.
Re: Put 8 core, 8 Gb RAM
I heard you can't keep Skype running all times
Well, that must be true then.
Re: Risk Aversion vs Unique appeal
Prove it. There was a video which was made by an ad agency which was "faked" (and Nokia are taking steps). But those hands-ons where they show wobbling the camera around with and without the image stabilizxation thing - hard to fake. The challenge where they let you take you phone and Lumia into a dark room to take a picture and your android/iphone gets a load of black while the Lumia gets a decent image?
The way they did those tests live?
Hard to fake that. Your FUD is get really, really old.
@AD: That was only one week out of six. Bearable.
1986, sixteen years old and managed to get a job with BT. In the typing pool, because I could type. The only male among a sea of women.
That was an experience.
Re: Shouldn't this be in Bootnotes?
This is AD channelling Private Eye's ace columnist, Phil Space.
"Everything from databases to Hadoop"
From the Hadoop wiki -
"Hadoop is a free, Java-based programming framework that supports the processing of large data sets in a distributed computing environment."
Matt, I realize you make money by providing us with a buzzword bingo card every week but just because it's distributed and SQL-deficienct doesn't mean it's not a database.
Re: Wait a minute...
Failed Anonymous Coward tries to spread FUD about phone not existing and demonstrated -
Re: Nokia's share price dropped 10% after the announcement
Apple's share price always drops during phone announcements, too. Did you ever notice that?
My guess is "not".
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