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What is this, Occupy Redmond?
If you don't like it, use win7. If you don't like the way it works on ARM then you can use the current Windows on ARM... oh wait, no you can't. Basically, this is a push to a new market. If you're not in that market, it's not your problem.
Just as a big FYI -
You can take Barry Shitpeas' word for what Win8 on ARM™ will do, or you could always just read what Steven Sinofsky has to say here:
Or you could look at both and decide for yourselves which has a better knowledge of the platform.
No, it was my own fault. I tried to call a delegate to a memory cache call which is specifically called out as horrible practice on MSDN and pretty much everywhere else. Should have known better, wasn't thinking.
Win7 has crashed on me twice, with one actual BSoD.
I can't blame it, I was coding DirectX in C++. These things happen when you're tired.
There may be some XBox fanboys out there, I suppose.
Personally, I AM looking forward to Win8 because... well, I wasn't. I didn't care much about it at all until I got an Android tablet.
Now, I'm certain that many people love their Android tablets and good for them, may they continue to enjoy their purchases, I wish them well. But I hate mine. It's tremendously limited and limiting. Using it for more than ten minutes makes me hate the imperfections and the missing functionality. And THEN, of course, I think "oh no problem, reach for the development environment... there isn't one". I'd have to go back to a PC to fix the holes (holes that I perceive and may not concern others for an instant, this is important) on the device that's supposed to make my life easier?
No. It's too crippled as a platform. For me, that is.
It's like being into SCUBA, I suppose. If you buy a splashproof watch, you're fine unless you're into SCUBA. Then you need something more fit for purpose.
You're full of shit, Barry.
The dev kit for the Developer Preview (basically, an earlier beta than this release by _months_) includes a full .NET runtime. That's how you can develop for .NET with it.
I love the way you're hating on a preview product that doesn't even exist yet. Anyone might think you felt a little.... threatened?
In the same way that, for example, I suspect it will be all but impossible to install Win8 on an iPad2, I think it's highly unlikely that MS are ever going to release an install firmware for tablets that aren't designed for purpose.
It's not like buying a copy of Win7 from PC World. At all.
I agree and would also wholeheartedly recommend an iPad to a Mac/iPhone user. Er... wait... no I wouldn't. I'd only recommend it if they had a requirement for such a device. But basically, yes. If you're already bought into one way of doing things, keeping it makes sense.
"Lenovo Thinkpad [..] will be able to run Windows 8"
I doubt it, it doesn't have the UEFI gubbins going on.
16GB is pretty good, for free.
But the article is wrong. SkyDrive is 25GB for free, not 5GB. You get 5GB with "Mesh" which autosynchs but 25GB you can manually do stuff with.
(the Mesh 5GB is considered a subset of the overall SkyDrive 25GB so sadly you can't get 30GB for free. A pity).
"another country will come riding to their aid"
Like France, Spain and Holland, you mean?
Agreed completely, and that's kind of the point. Any competent admin will do their best to lack that shit down as far as is possible given the company's requirements.
In suggesting that those who cracked Foxcon simply bought or downloaded a script, our AC above is actually mocking their network, not the crackers. And the thing is, if Foxcon were THAT easy to crack, somebody (likely some environmental group or ethical labour campaigners) would have done it long ago.
A firewall is like any other wall. If it stays up for a long period of time without any unauthorized individuals getting through, you've done it well. If you've done it well, getting past it is not trivial (from the outside).
I'm not aware of any free or purchased scripts which can compromise a firewall-based system such as Foxcon's without major penetration testing and refinement (usually noticeable) or being run internally.
I know it makes shit-tier sysadmins (such as many Reg ACs) feel cool to think they're somehow skilled beyond the people who make them look like idiots so perhaps this unwarranted name-calling is related?
That makes no sense.
We've been given values for mass and velocity from which we can easily calculate momentum (p = mv), in that we're given 1 imperial ton and 100 mph for m and v respectively.
Now, when you scale up the mass to a London bus (7.7 tons) that momentum should remain equal thus p = mv = 100 * 1 = 7.7*12.99.
The megaJoules measurement is irrelevant since at no point are we supplied acceleration and cannot infer it from the given values. One Joule is equal to the energy expended in applying a force of one newton through a distance of one metre. We could convert miles per hour to meters per second but that won't help us calculate a force (m*a).
A London routemaster weighs 7 tons 14cwt unladen according ot the internets, which means to match the force of a 1ton object moving at 100mph, it would have to move at 100/7.7mph or in real money, 12.99 miles per hour (2 decimal places).
Not all that fast.
I thought we established that licensing was FAT/FAT32 related and thus is, er, not essential for a phone and thus is also, er, exempt from FRAND.
You might be able to post clickable links :(
Stop saying those names.
As I recall, accusing someone of being a corporate shill against the <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/01/register_comments_guidelines/">house rules</a>
Also, I get to see if I can do that linky thing that "powerusers" can do.
Dude, what the hell is wrong with you?
It's not football teams. You're not helping anyone. "Android FTW"? Are you 12?
I would like Apple to cease their anticompetitive legal practices. I would like to see more products competing in the smartphone arena in order to produce better value for consumers. That doesn't make some kind of Holy War or spectator sport, you knob.
I'd kill for a bacon sarnie right now.
You're right about drop-proof but "clamshell" always used to cover most of that. My old Moto RAZR V3 took one hell of a bashing but is still a serviceable backup phone when required. And yes yes yes on the battery life thing. The sad part being, that's really where Nokia could make a huge difference.
To the other poster - just one. But three in my coffee, please.
When MOST buyers see "Microsoft" they don't think about it at all. If you were right, there would be no XBox and lo! There seems to be an XBox market doing very nicely thank you.
Your argument applies only to a proportion of nerds. That proportion is _currently_ the segment of the population buying smartphones (along with Apple cultists) but it is the tiniest fragment of the actual potential market.
To make this pig fly..
you need to vary the form factors. And, dare I say it, lose the Holy Jobsian dedication to the touchscreen as the single form of input.
A smartphone is best outside of office environments. In an office, you have a better option available for everything a smartphone can do, with the single exception of texting and phone calls and for calls, a landline has far less reception issues.
This means the optimum smartphone buyer is actually not the office bound IT wonk (95% android) or Starbucks-dwelling hipster (100% iOS). It's people who work for a living.
A builder wants at the very minimum a hardware "answer call" button so that he doesn't have to get his cement covered thumb on the touchscreen. The lack of one is a hideous oversight. Ideally he wants a clamshell phone which protects the screen.
He'd like big buttons because he is not a girl (usually) with tiny fingers and therefore T9/predictive and numeric buttons are optimum. If he could flip a slider and manage all the touchscreen magic from the keypad, he'd probably be delighted. He is outdoors so the screen must be matt. He wants bluetooth because he doesn't want a fine for answering calls in his van.
He'd probably like big or replaceable storage for music but I doubt he's ever going to be using this as a portable video player. He needs email and CAD-produced images delivered promptly and he'd like to be able to return his comments.
Basically, the current crop of smartphones are toys. Expensive toys but still toys. This market is underdeveloped until phones that do work environments start appearing. When that happens, whichever OS can handle it will be the one that takes the spoils.
As of right now, that's none of them.
These always make me laugh
I have an HD7.
The only lines that ever get truncated are app (baked in as well as downloaded) titles and since you already selected the app, that's basically chrome anyway.
I mean sure, lolzers, you're a funny guy but you clearly never actually used it.
When it's horses for courses
my horse is distorted, I bought it for four quid and forced it through horseshit... - Scroobius Pip
But yeah, you like 5:1/7:1, other people have partners who don't want wires all over the place. Sometimes "good enough" is.
@Sean Timarco Baggaley
I don't doubt the truth of your comment for an instance but is the "everybody else does it too" argument really any form of defence?
I mean surely, you've got to start _somewhere_. Good luck with the petition. I'm not an Apple customer so signing it would be hypocrisy but, you know, if they forge a lead that other less culty manufacturers have to follow, I'll be very happy about that.
Bizarre and improbable
I actually have to thank Barry Shitpeas for that along with a few fanbois.
They were insisting that everyone on the street, the "silent majority" if you will, loves Android/iOS (delete as per religion) and nobody's heard of WP7.
So I sat down in the pub with my sister, her bloke (the builder), my best friend (the farmer) his younger brother (the mechanic) his wife (mother of 2) and the mechanic's girlfriend (the stable groom) and tried to find out what they knew and what was important to them.
It was enlightening. I recommend it.
First, on OS.
Please ignore all the slavering nerds in every single comment above. They're stupid fanboys (of varying products) who do not have a clue what the person in the street is looking for.
I talked to a whole bunch of my not-very-technical circle about phones recently. A farmer, an RAF mechanic, a project manager (trust me, she's my sister and she's an IT PM who hates tech and this is NORMAL which is half the reason why the industry is fucked), a builder, a mother of two small kids, a groom at a stables.
None of them recognize anything beyond the hardware. They know what an iPhone is. Beyond that, they think in terms of hardware brands. the RAF mechanic used to have an HTC Desire (he broke it) so I said "how do you guys like Android as a phone system?"
None of them knew what I was talking about. Matt liked "my old HTC". The farmer likes Nokia because "they don't get trashed so easily". My sister likes Samsung because Samsung make nice TVs. The stable groom has a Blackberry because she got it from her boss. The builder uses cheap-ass burners because nothing lasts long on a building site. The mother-of-two has a WP7 phone (HTC Radar) and _didn't know that was what it was_.
This is the state of the buyers market right now. Forget Android vs WP7 vs iOS vs Badu vs Whatever. It's hardware brands and an utter lack of knowledge that are driving the sales right now.
Beyond this bunch of nerds, the OS means absolutely nothing. So Nokia need to be selling their phones as Nokia and pushing about how great Nokia are. Microsoft means nothing in the consumer market and Google is merely a search engine, not a maker of phones.
That is the state of play.
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and somehow expecting different results. The pretty much sums up drug policy in the UK since 1918. It's insane.
Another nice quote on the subject is from Howard Marx, here it comes...
"There are only three practical ways to distribute drugs; supermarkets, pharmacies or organized crime. Why every government insists on using organized crime is beyond me".
So. Support the War on Drugs, support organized crime. Fairly straightforward, really. Regardless of your straw man argument.
Merely pointing out the blindingly obvious logical fallacy in the previous poster's paranoia.
You don't use FUD to criticize a form-factor you want to own.
we could continue to criminalize people and hurl literally billions of pounds into the shitter every year "fighting" drugs and losing.
But no, your way is clearly far more rational...
If that was the case, they wouldn't be endlessly talking about MS-powered tablets which are tablets and therefore suffer from all the same issues. This was a whole bunch of ergonomics guys from many companies (the only one of which mentioned is Microsoft because that's good troll-bait) in a government sponsored study.
Sounds like somebody fell for El Reg's troll.
Fail for you.
The subtext throughout all of this is "Microsoft disses iPad". Which is not actually accurate, is it?
El Reg is trolling.