Re: Apple said it intended to appeal and called for patent reform
4992 posts • joined 16 Nov 2009
Only if they happened to be for sale.
I always enjoy riling up the emotional fanboys with a few well-chosen facts.
the W3C never formally recommended Touch Events. There were moves to do so but then Apple threatened them with the possibility that the entire API was covered by restrictive Apple patents, which Apple made it clear they had no intention of offering on a royalty free basis. I further note that Apple are now saying there are no patents but this was pre-Samsung case. Maybe they were aiming to go after Samsung super-hard.
Anyway, it was at that point that MS developed Pointer Events and Mozilla and jQuery got on board. Pointer Events is written to be patent and royalty-free.
What Google are doing is... well, it's complicated. Apple are being dicks but you expect that. Google are probably just enjoying the opportunity to be dicks to people who use Windows touch devices - and what with touch-screen laptops, there are a whole fuckload of those out there - while blaming Apple for it and Mozilla are still aiming for workable web apps, which is obviously damaging to Apple and Google's "App Store" revenue so unlikely to be welcomed with open arms.
MS' motives in developing and offering Pointer Events for free? I don't know. Good experience for Windows tablet users? Hard to find a cynical reason although I really am trying.
Ah, I see. All those billion-dollar industries are stupid. Good thing you're so much cleverer than them.
> It's good for beginners, but after a few years you grow out of it.
"app" developer detected. Or possibly "web developer".
Come back in ten years, son. When you've written something that does some actual work.
Yes, it was.
THIRTY FUCKING YEARS AGO.
Are you suggesting that nobody at MS has altered the compiler significantly since its release in 1985?
> Can run cross platform (XP?) I thought that was one of the aims of Windows XP?
On the Windows side, this is the tool which supports Microsoft’s “universal app” strategy, allowing developers to build a single app for Windows desktop, tablet and mobile.
Just to clarify, Tim - you are talking about VS2015 ("the tool") and not the ASP.NET web framework you were talking about at the end of the previous paragraph?
That's kind of confusing on the first read-through, especially as the grammar points to the latter case which is er, utter nonsense.
I'm in the UK but EU law and US law are fairly agreed on the concept. A "natural" monopoly arises from the market. Everyone got MS DOS and then Windows, nobody got OS/2 because bleh, OEMs bundled Windows because of consumer demand* short of ordering MS to make their product worse or withdraw it from sale, that's how it was.
The obligatory flawed car analogy is that if everyone buys Hondas and all the other manufacturers go bust or become tiny minority players, hey, good for Honda.
What is illegal is attempting to leverage an existing monopoly into a horizontal or vertical market. This is what MS was accused of doing with Internet Explorer (the merits of the case remain debatable - Netscape Navigator cost money and was notably inferior and there was never any effort made by MS to monetize their new leading browser market share or prevent users from choosing Navigator or Opera). This is also what Google have been accused of doing with selling subsidiary services by inflating their Search rankings and what Apple somehow failed to be accused of in leveraging their iPod/iTunes monopoly (by market share) into phone handsets and then tablets.
Leveraging an existing monopoly horizontally is illegal. It's also what's now become known as "ecosystem".
* wah, wah windows tax wah don't wanna wah linux wah wah wah monopolist wah - there, that saved you some time. Yes OEMs bundled Windows by consumer demand starting with IBM themselves. You might not want it but generally businesses on that scale don't go around doing stuff that pushes their cost per unit price up just to annoy nerds.
> I don't know how people have the patience for the monopolist's OS.
you mean Android?
Here's a hint, billium. Either they are all monopolists or they all want to be. And here's another hint - there's nothing illegal about a monopoly.
you'd rather have a malware vector than Windows 8.
Jesus, the lengths some people will go to in order to avoid learning something.
what does chinese tea have to do with this?
If we're talking about a supplier/builder, please advise who (TF) YumCha are because Google doesn't know, beyond some silk importers and tea shops.
I'm still appalled by that Cillit Bang ad.
He lies straight out of the box. He is not Barry Scott. He's an actor playing the part of Barry Scott. He is Neil Burgess. There never was a Barry Scott.
After that, how can you believe any of it?
I echo the above sentiment with a minor alteration so that it regards GCHQ.
> Nor will I be considering Samsung laptops.
Didn't Samsung recently drop out of the (European) laptop market anyway?
maybe at that point they showed him what they had on him.
I think that's the first time I've seen you use a post title other than "Sir".
But on-topic, well said.
Okay, maybe we shouldn't burn them to the ground if they're primary schools. This might be quite cool for those, provided you can stop the kids from sticking it in the school fishtank or filling it with plasticine.
It’s good for schools who [...] don’t want to get bogged down in electronics
Those schools should be burned to the ground.
Technically, according to Google's T&Cs, doesn't that mean he would eternally assign all copyright over the work to Google?
Well, the short answer seems to be "the entire security industry plus Microsoft and Mozilla" so far.
Making Windows look like it contains adware by default is a very good way to upset a quite large and quite wealthy company in Redmond WA who have access to a lot of lawyers.
Outrage is pretty limited though - it's limited to, well, us.
And none of us are affected because as somebody stated above, job #1 is to wipe the corporate laptop shipment and put the corporate image on it. And if we bought it for our own use with our own money, we probably didn't buy the shitty low-end machines that were infected. And if we did, we'd probably still have re-imaged them immediately and thus, not been affected.
The corporates don't give a damn because they are not affected. The consumers don't give a damn because they almost certainly still don't even know and probably never will. The only outrage is here and frankly, we are not important. I know, I know, your ego, all those guys going "I am keeping XP forever because fuck you Microsoft hahahaha bet that made Nadella cry", all the "Sony? Rootkit! Rootkit!" crowd, all the people who hate Apple.... we're not important. We are, in the grand scheme of things, nothing. Nobody cares about your start menu or your Bootcamped MBP or your hacked Dell. To the people who make the money and the people who spend the money, we are nothing.
Lenovo will make something shiny, Engadget will come in their pants about it, the Verge will give it 4/10 (based on the traditional -5 points for not being designed by Jony Ive), Curry's will put it on a big flashy stand and sell millions of them and life will go on.
I'd still like a ThinkPad X1 Carbon, that hasn't changed. I'd still reimage it immediately, that hasn't changed. Lenovo will make billions this years, that hasn't changed.
Sometimes I think we should really get the fuck over ourselves.
> Can't argue with any of your points Jake - but I hope you didn't take the "True Love" angle of the article too seriously!
Of course he did, otherwise he'd have had to complain about a technical inaccuracy that isn't there.
Far easier to simply decry all technology as unnecessary.
jake posts by banging rocks on a telegraph wire.
Or maybe the lesson is that being intelligent does not somehow magically prevent you from eating protein or lifting weights.
Unless you care to offer evidence to the contrary?
> I wasn't aware that falling alcohol consumption amid health campaigns were bad capitalism. I stand corrected.
It's possible that pricing pubs out of the alcohol market in favour of
major political donorssupermarkets along the smoking ban have more to do with that.
On the latter, there's an example of bad capitalism writ large - non-smokers said they didn't go to pubs because of the smoke. So they banned smoking and non-smokers still didn't go to the pub. Also, less smokers went to the pub. So the pubs closed.
It's not as if landlords were stupid - it's cheaper (in cleaning, redecorating and replacing nicked ashtrays) to run a non-smoking pub. If there had been such a huge demand for non-smoking pubs, there would have already been a shitload of non-smoking pubs. Instead there were about three and nobody went to them.
But no, the health puritans have to fuck things up for everyone. And then live longer and cost the NHS money.
up.scot sounds like a porn domain for people with a tartan fetish.
> OK, but if we give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's a shrewd operator whose tongue trips him up occasionally, being articulate is a fairly critical skill for the Leader of the Free World, wouldn't you say? :-D
Well, apparently not. Incidentally, most of the Free World does not regard POTUS as its leader in any way.
Inarticulacy didn't stop GHWB from becoming head of the CIA, for example.
I never said he was articulate :)
Setup did an in-place install from the ISO. No errors.
Sorry, I wish i could be more help.
I get a continued failure on a tablet running Win8.1 Pro 32bit but that may be due to not enough space to upgrade. I'll be trying the ISO route tonight.
I agree that the error messages are not exactly helpful.
Oh, I agree.
After nearly 20 years in this industry, the only thing I am certain will never change is that Oracle hates you.
However, for sheer evil, embedding Java sprocs was a masterstroke.
Oracle's are mostly related to embedding Java in it, which I suspect was done as proof that even Oracle can be made more obnoxious, obtuse, unfriendly and expensive if you try really hard.
Vulnerabilities affecting data in SQL Server tend not to be based on SQL Server because it outsources so much of its security layer to Windows and Active Directory (apart from the classic "sa - no password" thing which is thankfully becoming rarer).
You're simply not comparing like with like.
Not so much "pro-Windows" as "anti-FUD" usually. Windows has its place, just as linux does and even Apple has a place even if that place is as far away from me as possible (I know, it's irrational, I just can't stand the whole scientology aspect of it).
I agree that it's an issue for those 1020 owners and I hope they get it fixed soon. The nature of an intermittent fault is that it's hard to diagnose, though, so the engineer in me is wary about blanket condemnations.
If there are in fact less than say, 1000 owners affected, it would probably be cheaper and better PR for Microsoft to simply offer each of them a new phone. How many there actually are, we can't really know - the point of my post was not to "prove" that it's a small problem, only to demonstrate that we do not have sufficient data to declare it a big problem.
Be fair, our Bob hates Apple just as much as he hates Microsoft.
Bob loves only the Goog.
I need to stop posting on this thread but hey, it's lunchtime and I'm waiting for the new servers anyway.
Short answer is that they do.
First, download this.
Then install it.
Then back up your phone using the "Back up now" thing in Settings.
Run the program.
Plug in your phone.
Let the PC and program recognize your phone.
Select the WP8 option for your phone.
Overwrite your phone's OS with that selected version.
This only works for Nokias but the Lumia 1020 is a Nokia, so....
Q: How do you know when a complete wanker has an iPhone?
A: They tell you.
Well apparently they each own somewhere between 55 and 63 Lumia 1020s, but they are all intermittently frozen due to the update so it may take them a while to find something they can reply on.
We all know that there are no other handset models at all and never were except for WP7 because that makes MS looks bad and nobody else in the world owns a Windows Phone and everyone who says they do is a M$ shill.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
I had a look at the "massive thread". There are over 700 posts on it and that's impressive. What's rather less impressive is that right at the top there's a button you can press to indicate that you too have this problem and want it solved. It also shows a counter of how many people have the problem.
Now, I know that will come as heartbreaking news to that AC who always asks how all four Windows Phone users will react to any Windows Phone article the Reg decides to run but he's a prick so let's concentrate on the actual number. Thanks for the downvote, AC!
The thread may contain other posters who did not click the button but I removed all posts from the OP and that took it down to 644 - he's certainly been posting a lot. I then removed all posts from MS staffers (they are clearly identified) and got the total down to 481. At a rough estimate, about half the remaining posts are from people trying to be helpful so let's say we're at 250, being generous.
So the total is somewhere between 223 and 250.
Obviously, this issue may affect many more people than just those posting in this single forum thread so I took a quick shufti at windowscentral.com (previously wpcentral.com) where I did find this (related - http://www.windowscentral.com/struggling-lumia-925-lumia-1020-freezes-microsoft-will-soon-release-fix) and scrolling through the comments indicates that maybe 1/10 of their commentards have experienced the issue although this may overlap with the reported numbers on the official forum. The thread s 420 comments but many are multiple posts by the same commentards.
So what we know for sure is that it affects some 1020s but by no means all - wpcentral indicates less than a quarter of 1020 owners commenting experience the bug) and some 925s but those are rarer so it's much harder to get an idea of the scale.
None of the other x20 series seem to be affected and none of the newer x30 and x35 series.
So, about that WINDOWS PHONE DOOMED THERE IS A BUG MS DON'T CARE ALL THEIR USERS ARE LEAVING IN DROVES article....
Not so much, really.
in situations where the average person is under financial strain, advocating a relaxation of immigration laws is guaranteed to be wildly unpopular. MS already have an Indian CEO and I suspect their board would start to be concerned about the sheer number of dumbfuck rednecks in the USA who would take violent offence to such lobbying.
Or the slating that MS would get in (currently Republican) Congress.
Meanwhile down in Dixie -
Well sheeeeeeeee-it, boy. Micra-soft be importin' more of them there brown fellers and their muslamic womenfolk? I say we go buy from Apple. The Cook feller may be queer but at least he's a Merrican queer".
while any economist who has ever looked at the figures involved supports open immigration policies, the public do not and the disgusting perversions they elect to represent them view immigration as a handy thing to rabble-rouse about. Nothing gets the voters to love you like a lynching.
Calling Microsoft "wankers" for obeying the law seems a little extreme, unless you have a personal undisclosed interest in this.
wtf was that?
You seem to be a very angry person, AC. What are these slaves you're talking about? I thought (given context) that the statement meant MS is fine about being married or not and they can marry their own gender or a different one (was that PC? I can't even tell anymore) as they so choose.
Are you Margaret Atwood? Or just mental?
So you'll be able to get a wifi connection but everything available on it will be heavily censored and pre-approved by Mumsnet and the Daily Mail?
Unboxing was an exciting affair where I opened a box. I can't post photos to the Reg's forums so you'll just have to imagine the sheer thrill of receiving a small cardboard box from Amazon and then opening it.
There's a lot in the box. A Prime Instant Video 30 Day Trial bit of spam, a very small instruction manual, the hub itself, a small power brick, a UK plug, a male-to-male USB cable, a microUSB->USB Female OTG cable, a USB Male to microUSB male cable.... yeah, I think that was all.
The hub has a slightly unusual config. On the "back" (which I kept facing me at me at all times) are, from left to right, a power button, the power input socket (proprietary), a USB IN port (that one confused me but let's go with it), three USB 2 female ports and two further USB Female ports specifically designated as charging ports, one for each common voltage. On the left-hand side (from my preferred "back" view) is an SD Card slot and another slot, probably some camera thing. Ididn't bother with those.
The microUSB charging/peripherals port on the Asus Vivotab Note 8 is, annoyingly, on the top of the device so I did not use at as a dock because duh. Instead, I plugged the OTG cable into the tablet, plugged the M->M USB cable into the OTG F port and the other end into the USB IN port.
I filled out the non-powered USB ports with an MS Intellimouse Explorer 2 and an MS Keyboard because a) knock MS software all you like but their peripherals are always reliable and b) I'm trying to load Windows 10 so giving it hardware it probably knows about seemed like a good idea.
The final port was filled with a SanDisk 8GB USB key loaded with the Win10 x86 ISO and made bootable.
The tablet recognised the mouse and keyboard immediately and without loading drivers. It also loaded the thumb drive without issue but, as rebooting to UEFI proved, still refused to boot from the damned thing.
It may be that the hub had not loaded (although UEFI certainly responded to the keyboard so that seems dubious) or it could just be Asus' annoying BIOS.
So I have to report that the hub works well and exactly as advertised. It seems a solid little piece of hardware, potentially toddler-proof though I'm not eager to test this.
If you're interested, I did manage to load Win10 but only by booting into Win8.1 and actually running setup.exe from the thumbdrive. Once that had done its thing, I was surprised to find that an in-place upgrade had occurred (this had failed from MS's internet-based upgrader several times) and everything seemed to work.
> Isn't it just a bit disturbing that Cortana can't flush herself out of your system without a reboot?
It's understandable when you bear in mind that when the Cortana app is installed in Windows Phone it comes via update (hence reboot) and attaches itself to the hardware "Search" key. When you switch Cortana off, the reboot sets the "Search" key back to Bing.
Surely you don't expect jake to actually find out what he's angry about?
Are they going to wait 90 days and then publish demo code?
No you can't.