Re: There is not now....

you're not a developer then? You wouldn't write applications that were popular or profitable because of... what? Tiles?

You're not an administrator who may in his current or some later job be asked to manage an operating system he didn't select/buy?

You don't work in Support where you'd be asked to manage quesries and issues with an OS you didn't select?

You're not a tech architect who might possibly be tasked with designing a solution using infrastucture you didn't personally specify?

If all of these are the case, why are you reading and commenting on the Register?

I thought it was for IT pros. Not hobbyists or marketing. What are you?

Re: Hmmm...

Better Google than Apple.

Better Microsoft (amazingly) than Google.

Better linux than all of the above.

Consider me interested.

Re: .NET debacle history lesson .NETFAIL

They're silent on TCP/IP as well. Is that dead too?

Re: LIES

No, ass. I'm claiming .NET is being expanded and enhanced, which it is. Eadon insists it's dying on the basis of exactly no evidence other than Gavin Clarke - who knows dick about dick - saying so repeatedly on the basis of, er, no evidence.

Re: Development Hell

Everyone knows that .NET is dying

Cut it out with the endless LIES, man. It's old and boring and you're no longer fooling anyone.

.NET4 is built into Win8 as a part of the OS. .NET has been expanded to target WinRT as well as Win32 and Win64. Check for yourself and stop repeating bullshit, for fuck's sweet sake.

Re: You've got the date wrong.

Hey. Downvote cretins. The article says it's on Friday. The image says it's today.

Get a fucking grip.

Maybe, if you spun it as "textured for her pleasure".

Re: Surely Android store is now the benchmark

I call bullshit.

If Android shows 5 million activations per day then just this year alone it has activated better than 268x5,000,000 smartphones and tablets. That's 1,340,000,000. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Google have shifted an Android install to more than 1/5th of the planet's population this year alone?

There's 98 days of this year left. By that time, according to your figures, there's be another 490,000,000 Android activations, meaning almost 1/3rd of the planet. In this single year alone.

Android has been available since October 2008. How much saturation did it already have?

How much longer are these mad statistics going to be bandied about? Keep it up for another year at the current exponential rate of growth and the only way it would be feasible would be if we all slept on a bed made out of phones.

Madness.

(And the fanbois are just as fucking bad. Stop it, all of you).

" they're paid to check their facts"

like Johann Hari, you mean?

Re: Race to the Bottom

@boltar :- How about the phone-hacking scandal? Without the Graun, the NotW would still be up to its dirty tricks, Murdoch would own Sky outright and Jeremy Cunt would have been promoted.

They do investigate. It's rare, but they do. If you follow the Paul Foot Prize coverage in Private Eye, you'll note that the Grauniad are nominated every year. The Telegraph is nominated most years, too. The Daily Mail has never been nominated yet.

Re: Race to the Bottom

To be fair, about 90% of political and current affairs reportage is already exactly this.

Re: It's ready enough

I love this.

I love that some people really believe that Windows 8 will cause the linux-on-the-desktop revolution to happen. It's a bit like listening to a bunch of decaying old Trotskyites telling each other "this year, Comrades, this year the filthy Tories and their filthy Pasty Tax will deliver the proletariat right into our hands!"

There seems to be this genuine longing for it to happen, like Radio Hams genuinely wishing for a disaster so they can be heroes.

I'm archiving all this so that when Windows 12 kills the Metro Start screen, I can compare and contrast because surely, this time, this time it must be true, mustn't it? It must be? They said the Rapture would be soon, didn't they?

linux on the desktop, 2025?

Re: iTards can all get lost

And at least he didn't hide behind the banner of AC.

Well no, but "Bob" "Vista" "Kin" shows pretty much where our Bob lies on the "let's consider the various qualities of these competing products and make a rational judgement on those qualities alone" scale. He registers a 44 on the trollometer.

Not that my "name" is on my passport either, although at least mine is personally descriptive and not chosen to troll anyone, except those who'd prefer that people give up easily or who like cats.

Re: I don't understand the fuzz

eadon - it ain't stalking if in every comment thread on a Microsoft product - and I work with those so I'm interested - there you are, saying how shit and evil it is.

Every. Single. One.

Anyone would think somebody paid you to go through all those threads putting out as much negative astroturf as possible. No me, of course. I just think you're an idiot.

Re: I don't understand the fuzz

While I agree that he writes like a marketroid, you still just breached the House Rules.

Again. You keep doing that - insisting that anyone who disagrees with you is paid by Microsoft.

I, for the record, am a technical architect currently on a contract with a Local Government authority in the West Country. So don't even think about it.

Re: Still waiting for a decent Java IDE

C# is an ECMA standard, liar. That's how come you can write C# for Mono under Linux. Further, there are two runtimes, 3.5 and 4. 3.5 contains all previous targets.

It's pretty clear you know nothing about .NET. Please, keep your ignorance to yourself.

@eadon

If you code like you write, then I'm pretty certain your "skills" match your knowledge of .NET by not existing at all.

Re: Disingenuous

Oh, and @Ken Hagen -

WPF is a Presentation Framework (hence the name). It can't do anything except draw shit on the screen (along with some stuff like bidirectional binding, which is nifty but exists for the purposes of, er, drawing shit on the screen).

Nobody with any clue as to what they were talking would claim that VS2012 is written wholly in WPF because that would be impossible. Thus, I find your attack on the speaker either a) ignorant or b)... disingenuous.

Re: DOT NET IS DOT DEAD

The only thing you can say that about is Silverlight.

I don't know why the Reg keeps on running this same bullshit story day after day but as a dev/tech architect who is actively using and developing for Win8 right now, here's how it is.

The .NET framework is a means of addresses core APIs via managed code. It also includes a lot of handy functionality and utility APIs. .NET 4.0 is bundled with Win8. You can't even disable it during the install - it is there whatever you do. It's regarded as a core part of the OS.

In the past, .NET addressed the Win32 API. Then it was expanded to include the Win64 API. Now they've added the WinRT API to the functionality which .NET can address. Does WinRT have all the power of Win32? No. Does .NET address it? Yes.

You can still write .NET code in VB, C#, (Managed) C++, F# and IronPython. You pick the platform you're targeting, you just have more choices than "Win32/Win64/Mixed".

.NET 4.5 is now released and contains some pretty wow functionality in terms of the Web API and MVC4.

Where the Reg and various commentards are getting ".NET is dead" is totally beyond me. It isn't. It's thriving and growing. Okay, you can now address WinRT with HTML5 and Javascript - yeah, so? You could write unmanaged C++ or even Delphi if you hated yourself that badly under all previous versions of Windows. So what?

The article is just more of this outright falsehood. How in the hell is this being reported as fact?

Re: DOT NET IS DOT DEAD

None of the things you call dead are dead.

Why are you lying?

Re: Disingenuous

.NET is not. (It's absence is the main reason why Win8 manages a smaller footprint than Win7.)

Uh, what? Yes it is. .NET4 is installed by default, .NET3.5 (which is cumulative and contains .NET1, .NET1.1, .NET2.0, .NET3.0 and .NET3.5 itself) is an option install, like IIS.

Where is all this ".NET IS DED O NOEZ WE IZ ALL DUMED" bullshit coming from? It can't be from .NET developers, who already know better.

So what's the source? Ignorant people with big mouths or deliberate FUD? Gotta be one or the other.

Re: Sigh

Hobbit dollars. We have no idea what the actual price is yet.

There's "All Apps" which does the same thing.

Agreed, hence the spoof ads.

"Hi, I'm a Mac"

"....."

"He's a PC. What are you doing, PC?"

"Gaming".

"Haha, yeah, gaming, what games have you got?"

"All of them. Bitch".

as a power user, I couldn't make it work easily

Wow, you must be a seriously intelligent and supersmart "power user". Couldn't rearrange the burrons? I know, right-click and then drag is so hard, right?

So you predict failure because obviously everyone is more stupid than you since you're such a talented "power user".

I love this, it's hilarious. My 68 year old mother managed it and she's no "power user". She was a nurse before nursing was counted as a degree course so obviously she can't be anywhere near so clever as you.

Re: h4rm0ny

House Rules.

Calling somebody a shill just because they don't agree with you and your fellow howling fanboys is not allowed under the Reg's own rules.

Which is why you get not only a downvote but also reported.

Re: WinPho8 ha no chance

Actually, they were found guilty of attempting a leverage a legal monopoly into another market (to wit, browsers).

The monopoly was not illegal. "Convicted monopolist", a phrase that's used a lot on the Reg comments, is meaningless in this instance.

Re: WinPho8 ha no chance

Microsoft are an immoral company

And Google and Apple are moral companies?

Grow up.

Re: The advantages of a reboot

Any guesses as to what a £100 Windows 8 phone will be like?

Maybe, and this is just a wild stab in the dark you understand, a bit like the £120 Lumia 710 and £100 Lumia 610?

Re: Assuming of course...

You get a lot of kiddies out there who grew up on engadget and gizmodo and don't actually understand what the term "vaporware" means.

This is evidently one of them.

World + Dog applauds

I think you meant

arsehole writes pointlessly snide comment.

Re: The problem is Windows.

People don't want Windows on their phone.

YOU don't want Windows on your phone. The public don't buy a Windows Phone or an Android Phone. They buy a Nokia or an HTC or a Samsung or whatever. The only exception is that they do buy an iPhone, although most still don't know what iOS is, merely that Apple stuff all works with other Apple stuff.

They don't know what Android is at all and Windows is just the thing on the laptop.