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@AC 30th Nov 15.17 GMT " Why is it that when someone asks a question like this......
..............about a Windows/MS product........."
The reason is straightforward. Some of the MS critics on threads like this are classic "anti-fanboi tribalists" and their tactics are boringly repetitive, howls of "shill" "astroturfer" and "you are expletive crazy" each time and every time. *
Declaration: I have zero interest in buying any kind of Windows RT tablet regardless of who the producer is. I will not under any circumstances by any kind of pc that is a "walled garden" device - which is one reason why Old Nick will be complaining about the thermostat on His central heating system before I buy a Surface RT or an iPad.
@AC 30th Nov 10.31 GMT "And don't forget the Full HD (1920x1080) screen"
Indeed. In fact (without commenting on any other aspect of the "Pro" until I have actually seen one) I would have to say that given that it has a HD screen and is running a current generation Core i5 I would regard 5hrs battery life as not too bad. I would not expect to see any major improvement as far as that is concerned with x86 tablets or ultrabooks until we get the Haswell chips some time at the back half of next year (if they actually can do what Intel is claiming of course).
@Tony Paulazzo "Surface Pro battery life half that of the RT - 4 to 5 hours"
What precisely did you expect? The RT runs on a Tegra 3 ARM SoC and the Pro is running on an Intel Core i5 cpu - it would be astonishing if it did not have half the battery life of the Surface RT.
Not have had any hands on with the Surface RT I have no personal experience.......
"Hewlett-Packard’s chief of personal systems Todd Bradley, who called Surface RT “slow and kludgey”, expensive........"
...........with regard to whether it is a good device or whether it stinks. However, hearing one of the major Windows OEMs criticise the Surface in such terms when one thinks of the piles of slow, kludgey and expensive devices they have inflicted on us over the last couple of decades or so I cannot help thinking "pot, kettle and all that".
Folks can I suggest we just chill, hmm?
.........Take a look at the "age" of what Cupertino has succeeded in banning as a result of their "victory" - Sammy can take a very chilled attitude to this. It is old news - if this is the best that the iFruit company can do then it suggests that the high water of Apple's judicial assault on the industry is beginning to recede. I suspect that in a year or so we will look back on this and say "that was the moment at which it turned". These thrashings and twitchings are residual responses. I genuinely do not believe that Apple can pursue this for very much longer and the sooner they realise that the better for all concerned including their own customers.
@Lee Dowling "iPhone users are more likely to have more disposable income from the start"
I think that that does have a great deal to do with it. It would certainly have a considerable effect on the figures in the US. Last time I saw any relevant figures some 50% of Apple's customer base in the US were males in the 20 - 35 demographic living in households with a combined income of in excess of $100k annually. Given the costs involved contra income with regard to mobile broadband it is unsurprising that iOS customers with well above average disposable income (although I am not suggesting that they are "1-percenters" :P) spend more time on the web than the average Android customer. We see after all the exactly the same pattern reflected in average spend on apps per annum amongst the two groups.
Re: @Trevor Pott "That wasn't a hostile post telling you off" Fair enough Trevor, I clearly.....
.......misunderstood who your ire was directed against. As to your new posting itself I will have to chew over what you have said before I open my trap further. :)
Re: @Trevor Pott "Learn to live with it, or leave." Is that kind of posting the way you normally..
...react to a friendly and polite post? I simply asked your opinion of something, precisely indeed because you are an IT professional and I have read stuff by you before that I have respect for. As to whether or not the Metro UI becomes the sole means of interacting with Windows, that IMO will depend on customer reaction (both private and enterprise) - it is not solely in Redmond's hands whatever they might wish to believe. If customer reaction is very negative then MS are going to have to rethink the way forward whether they like it or not. There is of course a big difference between self-confidence and cut-your-own-throat arrogance - if Redmond largely display the latter they may well find themselves in far more difficulty than they were anticipating.
RE:"Of course anyone with a brain cell knows, iPad = they are a bit thick." Well, no......
....I cannot agree with that. Owning an iPad does not make you thick, I know plenty of intelligent people who own iPads as their leisure tablet and I certainly would not describe any of them as thick. They feel that as a media consumption device it has very good build quality and delivers a customer experience that they enjoy. I personally would not have one as a gift (or even if you paid me to take it away) but it does the job for them and in that sense Apple have created a very fine device. However, the type that thinks that owning an iPad says something important and positive about them, who waves it around at meetings and in coffee bars or who logs on here to tell us all how productive they are with their precious - well yes, that type is extremely thick.
RE: " water is free in pubs." You must be the life and soul...........
....of any party you attend.
Oh dear, I feel a musical interlude coming on.
My mother was a 'Softie,
she fixed all of my blue screens,
but my daddy was an iPhanboi
who lived way beyond his means.
I have one foot on the platform
and one foot on the train
because I have to score at the Apple store
my latest ball and chain.
Apologies and gratitude of course to The Animals.
Not precisely on topic I admit but following on from your posting here:
have you or any others amongst the members here taken a look at this take on how to modify the "Win8 experience"? It does appear to address some of the issues that the more serious minded critics of Win8 like yourself have with the os.
For example they claim that you can "Run Metro UI and Metro Apps in a Window" with this installed. I'm going to stick it on at the weekend and see whether its worth the enormous sum of about 3 quid they want for it. :)
@jubtastic1 "did I simply miss the sarcasm tag?" No, you did not miss anything. I made a.......
........typo in as much as I intended to write "every five seconds" because I simply did not believe the figure given for the iPad's rate of sale. I.E. I would expect it to be much faster than the figure quoted. Sorry, my fail. :)
Re: I blame Holly wood
Damn - you remembered that film as well. I was just about to post as well. :)
Re: 11 ipads per hour? Yes, must admit that I find that one a bit strange.
Given Apple's well established position on the "high street" I find that hard to believe. Given kind of sales Cupertino are used to I would have expected something like one every five minutes or whatever. It does however go to show that the whole basis of this article is dubious to say the least.
@Pete Foster: Not a balanced survey? You can say that again.
One could also mention the fact that Apple have been well established in main-street retail for many a long year and have been sellers of a whole rang of hardware for a very long time. MS has barely started to open retail stores. The whole thesis is preposterous - Redmond's retail operation may very well turn out in the end to be a complete steaming turd, but this "survey" of the current situation is a bad joke.
Re:" slightly higher than they think OEMs" Indeed, that is precisely what they have done in fact.
However, you have to understand what the game is here for the gold card members of the Anti-Microsoft-Choral-Howling-Society. Had they priced it significantly lower the aforementioned cognoscenti would have logged on howling "see, nya nya nya na, we told you so, they are bumfucking their OEMs". Given that they have not done that (as they indicated they would not) the members are in the delectable position of being able to have their cake and eat. By that I mean that they can log on and howl "it costs too much, they are fucking idiots". You see? They do not give a shit about honest contributions to a debate. If it is their favorite hate figure (in this case it happens to be Redmond but it could perfectly well be another company) they do not care about the size of the odoriferous piles they excrete on a thread.
@Vic Re:"That still doesn't make infringement right, but it doesn't make it Theft either."
Precisely, an understanding of what the words mean promotes understanding of what the "perpetrator" has done wrong and how society should act where an "offence" has been committed (I am not in this in any way supporting the way those tossers are enforcing current law or the way in which a nine-year old child has been treated, I am addressing a more general principle). A classic example are those who still log on to howl "convicted monopolist" on threads concerning MS. They do not understand the law (the charge of being a monopolist does not exist under US or UK law) and, even worse, they reveal that they do not understand what Redmond's (serious) offences were. If they do not understand what "anti-trust violation" means they contribute to confusion and shifting the focus away from what any example of "BigCorp" you may care to name are actually trying to get away with. In this area of life (as in many others) words are important as is understanding what they actually mean.
RE:....Rich and powerful execs want apple kit......"
Rich and powerful execs have of course been showing us the way for years, with their unerring judgement, their.......err, hang on a second. They have been regularly fucking up all over the place - in reality, hmm?
@boltar "Umm, they have mostly been solar powered up until now."
As a service. Simply print it out and keep it by your keyboard.
the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
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"it has been claimed"
Whilst I fully accept that you included that in your sub-heading so you cannot be accused of doing the old "Click-bait" routine on this occasion, might it not be an idea to drop "rumourmongering" based articles outside of "Boot Notes"? This is like the endless Apple rumour stories - a complete waste of time for all but dyed-in-the-wool fanbois. "Why are you reading the article then, nya, na na, nya, nya" I hear a certain section of the "Cognoscenti" howl - because I hoped, idiot that I am, that there might actually be some genuine info in the piece. I am resolved (it will be a New Year's Resolution) to try and avoid making that mistake too often in future.
RE: "Hey, Santa Claus, you ****, where's me ****ing iPad?"
It would not surprise me at all that, in families where the under-12s are so shamelessly spoiled that they actually get high-end tablets or high-end mobile phones for Christmas, the children concerned would address an elderly white-bearded gentleman reindeer fondler in such a fashion.
@adnim Re: "It looks like a walled garden" Indeed, surrounded by the largest and strangest....
.......conservatory I have ever seen. Are they thinking of marketing iTomatoes or iTangerines maybe? Their advertising slogan being, perhaps, "it just squirts"?
Re: "are belong" Never mind, I did not understand that reference* either........
.............until a kindly disposed member of our little congregation (like the one below your post) showed me the light. :)
*Another thread, different topic.
Samsung has a point. For the very simple reason that........................
"Evidence of Apple’s licensing of patents-in-suit weighs against any finding that monetary relief is inadequate by demonstrating Apple’s willingness to forego exclusivity in exchange for money," Samsung said in its court filing."Evidence of Apple’s licensing of these patents would also undermine Apple’s assertion in its reply — made only a day before announcement of the HTC license — that its patents are unavailable for licensing to competitors."
......................we know from court filings related to Apple versus Samsung that Cupertino were demanding between 30 and 40 dollars per device as their price for any settlement* with Samsung. If HTC have been permitted to settle for considerably less than that (especially given the Fruit Company's usual "no licensing" policy) then it is absolutely a legitimate question for Samsung's legal team to pose.
*Settlement offer as in "drop pants, bend over and no, you can't use any Vaseline".
The moment I read the headline I just knew..........
.........by means of some strange reverberation in the force that they had filed in East Texas. It was as if I suddenly heard a billion customer's voices calling out in terror and pain as.................
Re: "MS did it to themselves without deriving any significant benefit from their behaviour "
Just to add a further thought with regard to the irony of the situation. It is in a certain gruesome sense highly entertaining that had MS administered their market dominant position in a way that was in compliance with the law then it is likely that they would be in an even more dominating position today than they in fact are. It was their own (IMHO) stupidly unnecessary illegal behaviour that led to DOJ oversight for a decade and the fact that they are watched like hawks by all competition authorities throughout "known space". Had they shown some restraint their position today might have been in practice "bullet proof" - now that would have given the haters something to howl about! There is perhaps a certain Darwinian irony in the situation they are in today as the most watched company (as far as the compliance authorities are concerned) in the entire industry - bar none, even Cupertino. Therein lies perhaps a lesson for all versions of "BigCorp" - what goes around, comes around. Or perhaps, "being a bastard is not the only way to succeed."
Re:"As the PC market expoded Apple remained content to sell into their niche markets"
Indeed that is what happened. The practical reality was that during that period the only os that could have competed with MS was the Mac OS. Apple however (after a short-lived and unsuccessful attempt) refused to license to OEMs and stuck to the business model that you refer to. This more than anything else, whatever those who like to howl "convicted monopolist"* at Redmond on every possible occasion might believe, ensured that Windows would win. It is in fact one of the biggest and nastiest ironies of the industry during the nineties that Redmond's arsehole behaviour back then was almost certainly unnecessary as far as ensuring the dominance of Windows was concerned. They ended up convicted of anti-trust violations and suffered a decade and a half or more of serious reputational damage as a result of their conduct - conduct that in fact had little practical utility in terms of their aims. MS did it to themselves without deriving any significant benefit from their behaviour - that is richly ironic, although it does not in any way shape or form excuse their conduct for which they were rightly punished.
*The charge of being a monopolist does not exist under US or British law. In fact a monopoly is not in and of itself illegal. It's what you do with market dominance that is the issue - hence MS being convicted of anti-trust offences.
"Both generals were also friends with Natalie Khawam Wolfe, Kelley's identical twin. "
Good grief! if this had been submitted as a script for a day-time soap series in the US it would have been rejected out of hand for its lack of realism. Yet this is, apparently, real life - God help us all.
@Anonymous Custard RE:"But wouldn't it have made more sense to..............?"
I would not actually disagree with you. In the sense that if Redmond had had an agreed consensus strategy from the beginning with regard to the way they should tackle these issues then what you have pointed out would indeed have made a lot of sense. However, I have a strong feeling that up until the Build Conference about a year ago there were two or more warring camps with regard to precisely those strategic questions. The result has been (and here I admit that I am guessing) that the strategy that appears to be "materialising" has been somewhat ad hoc rather than properly planned at the outset. It may very well be that the result of the internal turf-wars that have undoubtedly been going on may be something like that you describe as initial customer response in the mass-market kicks in.
@tonysmith RE: "If that was their strategy...........
................then I think they are playing to their strengths while trying something new."
I am not sure whether that indeed was their intended strategy at the outset. However, I have noticed since the "Build Conference" when they launched the pre-beta (about a year ago now) that they have been somewhat less than precise about what their strategy is with regard to which os they will be pushing for enterprise. I get the feeling that there has been some "politics" going on internally (of which Sinofsky's departure may be one of the external signs) and that it is possible that there are those at Redmond who have been arguing that they have not yet got the mileage sales-wise out of 7 that it still potentially has and that 8's main function should be seen as ensuring that they do not get permanently locked out of the tablet market. I do not get the feeling that this view was universal at Redmond at the outset but that it now may have gained the upper hand.
"The other reason is Microsoft’s own field sales team are pushing Windows 7. The goal for Microsoft’s fiscal year 2013 is 70 per cent of enterprise PCs running Windows 7."
This is not surprising, Win7 is still Redmond's main platform for enterprise and I would have been astonished if they really thought that they could get a significant proportion of those business customers who are only now transitioning from XP to jump straight to 8. I get a strong feeling that whatever MS is saying publicly their strategy overall for the current product cycle will in reality be "twin prong", ie both 7 and 8. I believe that as far as they are concerned 8 is there to save a place for them in the tablet market rather than being their main effort overall whilst at the same time (in the form of Win8 rather than RT) still being compatible. How successful this attempt to straddle two horses at once will be remains to be seen but it is clear that that is what they are trying to do.
@Alain "this has to be the best comment I've read on El Reg for quite a while"
I agree entirely. Even though I am not anywhere near as dissatisfied with Win 8 as Trevor clearly is I will happily say that that post was one of the most intelligent, well argued and constructive that I have seen here at El Reg concerning Win8. I am so piss-tired of the "contributions" from the "Gold Card Members of the Anti-Microsoft Choral Howling Society" that I do not know where to begin to describe my feelings. However, this kind of post is another kettle of fish entirely. This kind of post is a real contribution to the debate and I personally felt that I learnt something from it. Major thumbs up to Trevor for that.
Good grief! All I can say is - see icon.
"While we are pleased by the share attention, Medbox shares have traded between $2.75 and $3.45 over the past several months," said CEO Bruce Bedrick in a statement. "our fundamentals and market potential are improving, but we temper investor expectations at present price points."
Let me see if I have understood this correctly
1. Elop leaves MS apparently in a cloud of good will and takes over at Nokia making him Redmond's mole there tasked with destroying the company.
2. Sinofsky leaves MS apparently under a cloud of ill will and whenever he takes over a new position, possibly at RIM, he will be Redmond's mole there tasked with destroying the company.
Now if you feel that I am satirising certain elements in this article and some of the attached postings you would be right. It is however IMHO not too far from an accurate synthesis of the contradictions in the arguments used, very often by the same "usual suspects" on many different occasions. I think that some of you guys better try a bit harder to avoid posting blatantly contradictory lines of argument on related threads.
Re:"There might be limited coverage just now for 4G," Yeeees, true. However what do you........
.........imagine the next Nexus will have when that issue is mass-market relevant and deliverable at a mass-market price, hmm? Yes Grasshopper if you actually try thinking you too will eventually attain wisdom.
She tweeted "still in a bit of shock but excited".
The grammatical logic of that is indeed that she was taken aback by a very unexpected promotion. It is in fact El Reg who are trying to run it as her expressing shock at Sinofsky's departure. She may indeed have been shocked by her old boss' departure but that tweet really needs to be stretched to sustain what the article is asserting. However, I do have a strong feeling that she is a place-holder, I do not believe that she has the CV to sustain that position.
@AC 14 Nov 11.47 "You can have what you like, so long as it's open..................
........and not Microsoft they say? See the contradiction there?"
When I'm feeling charitable I assume that they do not. When I am not feeling so benign I am forced to conclude that many of those postings are wilfully dishonest.
@Ken Hagen RE "Nothing to see here". You do know that sober, reflective and well argued..
...posts are not allowed on certain threads, amongst them being any thread connected to an issue involving MS? More seriously, I agree with you. For whatever reason he has concluded that further advance within MS is unlikely. For a man like Sinofsky that is more than enough reason to look around for pastures new without Ballmer having to send the boys round - much as some here would love to believe that type of version of events.
Re: " I was thinking of becoming an accountant for Starbucks.." Thumbs up for sneaking......
....a highly entertaining political joke onto the thread. On topic, well no - but funny all the same. Besides I imagine that Cupertino make sure that they pay even less tax than Starbucks do. :)
@bolccg "Wonder how much that price hike brought in?" Oh, I imagine Cupertino are'nt....
....that worried given that they will almost certainly be expecting a particular section of their enthusiastic fan-base to cover the costs - after all that particular section of their customer base have been cheering the Cupertino Posse "onwards and upwards" throughout all of this have they not? It would only be just if they had to pay Sammy's legal costs through the price of their next shiney.
As long as they show Jar-Jar-Binks being evicerated.............
...................very, very slowly I will be content.
Did you actually read the article Mr Harvey?
On the basis of what the article is reporting the DemonLordBastardDollarSignSwines are, apparently, doing nothing of the sort. Your point was?
Re: "Ever bought an Acer?" Once and once only. "Once bitten, twice shy" and all that.
However, I don't think that "they're better than Acer" could be described as something for A Certain Famous Mobile Phone Producer to boast about.
Re: "just pull an apple... " Well it is tempting to pose a few apposite questions is it not?
1. Are they pretending that the problem does not exist?
2. Are they blaming the customer for the problem?
3. Do they appear to be promptly replacing the equipment?
It would appear that the answers to questions 1 and 2 at least are an interesting study in contrasts to A Certain Famously Cool Hardware Producer.
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