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I think that it is possible that this needs a little bit of translation work.
"Still, despite the insider's account of lukewarm salary offers of $85,000 (£52k) plus moving expenses, it appears Apple is simply picking up people whose contract work with Google has ended."
I.E. "Cupertino has now realised that they are in fairly deep shit as far as this particular issue is concerned and are desperate enough to employ Mountain View's leavings". That interpretation may or may not be fair but on the basis of the available evidence it is as valid as any other call. I repeat a comment I made on another thread, it is impossible to believe that their former CEO would have allowed this out the door. That they are now reduced (if this article is the "real deal" as far as the information in it is concerned) to hiring those whom Google either do not wish to keep or do not need to keep says everything that needs to be said. I still do not understand how they could have released an app so important to so many users as the navigation/mapping app in this condition.
@lawndart "Is it just me.....or did anyone else read the headline as" No, me too. It was only.....
............after some head-scratching that I realised that they meant "about to drop" in the sense of about to "hatch" - so to speak. :)
"This article is definitely written from a hard left position" I beg your pardon? WTF?
"This article is definitely written from a hard left position"? If you characterise the tone of this article as in any way "hard left I am obliged either to assume that you have never talked politics with anyone from the outside left or to ask you just how right-wing you are if you actually believe what you have just written.
"........but in this case I'd say it is definitely justified."
I think that is indisputable. If there is one thing we can say with certainty it is that's Mr jobs definitely did not enjoy being left looking foolish. One can readily imagine the fate of the manager concerned if he was still their CEO. Though it has to be said I don't think that he would have let it out of the door in the first place.
Please Mr T, enough already!
Re:"A certain Finnish phone producer .........." .......has in fact been even quicker off the.......
................ mark with this one than I was anticipating. They must have worked nightshift in Espoo this time.
No word is "just a word", words are the basis of civilisation.
At some stage after we had gotten past picking fleas out of each other's pelts we began to develop language (fire and the wheel probably came rather later!) precisely because our development as a species required that we develop the capacity to convey a wide range of information with precision. Words are important, without words we would not have developed human civilisation and technology. However, we do occasionally get throwbacks to an earlier stage of development who fail to understand one of the key things that humanity has spent the last couple of hundred thousand years or so doing. I think that Verizon's managers should concentrate on with picking fleas out of each other's pelts - its about their level.
Re: "...actually, that is a kind of useful thing to know" I am absolutely certain that monkeys.....
..........consider that this:
"....can recognise each other from pictures of each other's arses."
.......is of the first importance. Maybe there should be an app for that instead of face recognition!
Re "on going for your job interview.............."
It is certainly very tempting to amuse oneself and I for one am having a quiet chuckle. However, I have to confess that because online maps/navigation really matter to an awful lot of punters (unlike Siri whose limitations do not matter (currently) in the greater scheme of things) I am absolutely astonished that Apple let this product out of the door in this condition. I am convinced that Jobs would never have permitted such a high profile and important part of the software services on any smartphone to be released in this condition. Cupertino really have taken their eye off the ball with this one. A certain Finnish phone producer with a very widely admired maps/navigation package must be laughing their gonads off about now!
@Killraven "What part of the article, where it states that US Corporate Taxes.........
...............are at an all-time historical low, did you not comprehend?"
I fear that in most cases they comprehend all right, it is just that they would rather gnaw their own legs off than admit it because then they would "not have a leg to stand on" - boom, boom. Sorry for that appalling pun, I could not resist it. My point in support of your posting was however entirely seriously meant.
Short answer, yes. Long(ish) answer, see text.
"Haswell will use a new LGA1150 socket instead of the LGA1155 socket that Sandy Bridge uses and Ivy Bridge will also use when it tips up next year. This means that to upgrade to Haswell, you will need a new motherboard featuring the LGA1150 socket."
Though it has to be said that the main advantages at the outset appear to be in mobile devices (which I presume we are unlikely to start spannering ourselves :P) and by the time (2014?) those chips are launched for desktops and the like it will probably be time for an upgrade anyway. :)
Careful Iain old chap............
"No-one likes paying taxes, but they are fundamental to the environment that built the high tech sector. You need an educated workforce, with enough wages to buy toys like the iPhone, along with a good communications infrastructure and the rule of law, in order to build a successful economy, and that costs money that most companies seem unwilling to pay. ®"
...............more of that and Fox News will be denouncing you as a commie. :P
I entirely agree BTW - see my reply to YAAC (Yet Another Anonymous Coward).
"What stinks is having such a high tax rate.................
....................that companies will move the revenue elsewhere. If you want the tax then lower your rates."
That of course is utter rubbish. When Thatcher's regime in the early eighties made huge cuts in the upper tax bands rich individuals and companies simply said "thank you very much" and carried on avoiding even those taxes. Nothing has ever stopped the "1-percenters" shitting on the rest of society - or stopped apologists like you trotting out the same pernicious rubbish when defending them. It does not matter how much you cut taxes the bastards automatically find all legal and sometimes illegal ways to avoid the taxes they still are supposed to pay - that has been an observable fact for decades.
@Thomas 4 "Works very well in cubical office environments"
I think that you may be on to something old chap, followed perhaps by uploading the "victims" reaction to YouTube and watching it go viral. If that however still does not work I insist on the aforementioned 14000 volts to the goolies!
"Those who clicked on the message will be forced to sit through................
...................a two hour course on internet security." Even it you force these people to sit through that course again and again and again, it will not make the slightest bit of difference to the substantial minority who cannot be told (even if you combined it with electrodes attached to sensitive body-parts). The issue of "don't click on those (for example) "free porn" links has been done to death in the mainstream media and the idiots still do it. What the hell the answer is I do not pretend to know. Anyone got any ideas - apart from 14000 volts in the goolies?
@Ragarath I would indeed be very surprised if Nokia decided to do a Cupertino.
However, I have to say that this one looks way more like the Lumia 920 than any of the Galaxy phones ever resembled the iPhones (whatever our fruity compadres might opine). It would be understandable with this degree of resemblance if Nokia were a trifle peeved. I wonder if this might actually rebound on HTC a bit in the market place?*
*Declaration. I harbour no ill will towards HTC and have in fact owned two of their phones. The original "Wildfire" which was my first smartphone and my current Android phone, a Desire Z.
I find the whole business very strange.
When the EU commission took the issue up with MS Redmond's reaction was basically "oh shit". They even had Ballmer contact Brussels himself and assure them that MS would take its medicine (ie fines) like a good little boy without arguing. On the one hand it is difficult to believe that MS had not noticed this "error" and on the other hand it is also difficult to believe that they thought that nobody else would notice it either and that they could "get away with it". What the frack was going on there is frankly speaking not entirely obvious.
@David Cantrell Re:"Shiny stuff is cheaper." Well, actually that was pretty much what........
.......the "sweaty chair throwing maniac" was signalling in his recent interview when he talked about the range of the sweet spot in the modern market being $300 - $800 - he could scarcely have been more explicit. However, if the news in the article is true it would appear that some of the OEMs have not quite understood that, at least with Windows RT, we are indeed referring to what El Reg likes to call "fondle slabs" and "shinies" as far as the market is concerned. Unless they understand that a major part of the domestic retail market is indeed about "shiny stuff" and price accordingly they are going to do very poorly indeed. The x86 market which is much more heavily influenced by what enterprise may (or may not) be willing to pay may very well sustain kit at the upper end of that price range or even above if it is regard as of premier quality. However, any OEM who thinks that they can get away with entry prices of the kind signalled in this article is in orbit around a very different planet from the rest of us.
Re: "You are just whining because you can't afford shiny stuff"
A combination of bad manners and guesswork - you are a treat to debate with. Nothing about either of my posts involved that kind of tone. Moreover your attempt to use the kind of debating technique that goes down well in the saloon bar of some of our less salubrious watering holes utterly fails here. Yes, I can afford to drop a grand or so on a piece of kit if I really want it, so fucking what? What has that got to do with the issues here? We are not debating my personal buying capacity/decisions or yours - yet all the same you chose to personalise this exchange. I was discussing the behaviour of the OEMs in relation to the market they are in and the production and sale challenges they have to tackle in the mass market. That has bugger all to do with what I personally can afford or not.
Re: "Also they _do_ have to factor in $75-100 for licence." If you read my post again you will......
......see that I did not say that they didn't have to factor in such issues. I simply pointed out that even when they don't (and their commercial challenges otherwise are pretty much identical whether they are producing Android tablets or Windows tablets) have to pay a license fee they still overcharge at the outset. The practical reality is that they are fully capable of mispricing with or without Redmond's help. Furthermore, they as producers do have (one would have thought) an objective interest in contributing to growing a market if they wish to sell devices. That applies whether we are talking Android or Windows. They utterly refused to accept lower margins or even a certain degree of "loss leader" pricing when Android* for tablets first came out with the result that the Android os was to all practical intents and purposes crippled commercially for the first year or so after launch. If they want to produce and sell kit, yes they do have to make a contribution themselves - either that or they should get out of the game.
*Google after all had borne all the costs of developing the os and thereby made their contribution, the OEMs, to all practical intents and purposes, simply said "thank you very much" and then refused to make any contribution themselves in terms of the prices they introduced the Android tablets to the market at.
Re: Hahaha, the angry fat chair-throwin beancounter finally lost it..
Actually "the angry fat chair-throwin beancounter" pegged “sweet spot” prices at $300 to $800 in that interview recently did he not? I'd say that Asus' prices here (if this leak is genuine) don't exactly fall within that, hmm?
@Ye Gads Re: "In fairness" I agree. I think that I would also add something that some.........
............people are ignoring in their eagerness to lay all the blame (if these leaks are connected to reality) on Redmond and their license fee. In their desire to howl that it is all MS' fault and (apparently) excuse the OEMs for refusing to wake up and smell the coffee as far as pricing is concerned they are conveniently "forgetting" what the OEMs did when the first Android tablets were launched. There is of course no license fee attached to Google's offering - that did not stop the OEMs charging the most horrendous prices for those tablets. Just to give two examples: Have we forgotten what HTC tried to charge for the "Flyer" or what Samsung wanted for its first 7 incher? They wanted way more than Apple were charging then for the iPad FFS! The fact of the matter is when it comes to totally unrealistic pricing the OEMs need no help from Redmond, they have a form-sheet a mile long. The Window's license is not any explanation or excuse for their behaviour - they are perfectly capable of grotesquely overcharging whether they are paying for a license or not. The very slow start that the Android tablets had the first year or so after launch was directly due IMHO to the braindead refusal of the OEMs to recognise that they simply cannot get away with these kinds of prices. One can certainly argue that MS should reduce its license fee (and I would not disagree with that for one moment) however, even if they did I fear that based on past form the OEMs would at the outset simply pocket the difference themselves.
Re: "I want to see an experiment"
You would never get it past the essex committee. You know, the committee that likes to say "nae, yor avin me on".
Where I live up the Arctic arse-end of nowhere it appears to be the annual rite of passage.......
...........for the local great tit clutch to fly into our kitchen window at least once whilst they are learning what that strange see-through stuff is. We have never yet found a body on the terrace though, they just seem to land, stagger around a bit for a while and then fly off. Our nickname for them is the flying circus, usually six, seven members - crazy as larry and great source of pleasure and amusement.
Re: "Mine's the one with the funny looking phone I found in the pub last week"
I'd be careful about that if I were you. You could end up with your house being ransacked by a team that includes people from A Famous Mobile Phone Company pretending to be police officers.
@Andy Farley: What I find entertaining about reading this thread it noticing............
..............that some people really are "satire-dyslexic", they do not recognise it even when it is about as subtle as a lump hammer. The righteous indignation, the fury, the total incomprehension. I got past the first paragraph with the article filed in my head under "Reg Wind-ups" (other than of course that the shortage could in reality be artificial).
A small correction.......
......................"The prediction has been issued by WitlessView".
Regardless of the nature of the prediction or whom it seems to benefit this sort of analysis is worthless - it is indeed worse than guesswork.
Re: "Enough" As far as the start button is concerned I agree.
I have not had any problems navigating within desktop at all. In fact as a desktop os it is extremely nippy. However, I do have two issues that concern me. The most important one from my point of view is that the default does not permit you to boot directly to the UI of your choice. I have installed Classic Shell to deal with precisely that issue - not because I was that bothered about having the traditional start menu. The second issue as far as I am concerned is the lack of genuine customisation of the touch UI in terms of it's appearance. In terms of its functionality it works extremely well (even on the crappy Acer W500 I have installed it on) but it looks like something you puked up after several cans of special brew and a curry vindaloo. The first issue is readily sortable - the visual meme however will ensure that even on a new tablet (when I get one) I will only go to the start screen when I absolutely have to in order to launch an app. Despite the foaming from the gold card members of the Anti Microsoft Choral Howling Association it is a very good os under the bonnet. However MS are going to have to something about allowing the punter (who after all will be parting with fairly serious wonga for one of these devices or if he/she is buying a conventional box) to choose their default boot and have some real control over the appearance of the default home screen.
Re: "Actually" Give it time. When the demand for the 4S starts to drop significantly............
.............the price will follow. Are you sure you couldn't consider a GSII? A snip at around £325 :P
A slight correction which applies to all who engage in this type of behaviour regardless..........
"El Reg advises anyone sad enough to chance it to dress warmly, wear sensible shoes, and pack a lunch. In fact, breakfast might be a good idea, too. ®"
.............of which company we are talking about.
What's not to like if you are a MS employee?
You get a buckshee Win8 Pro Surface (the hardware looks very nice), you install Classic Shell so that you can choose which UI it boots to (and you get the start menu back if you want it). When you are at the desk at home, dock it, connect it to an external screen and you've got quite a decent home office pc. When you are on the move use the touch ui with your eyes closed - simple. :P
Re: Hoping for deals on the 4S
Just taking a look at the relative price difference (currently) between the "4" and the "4S" it suggests that when things settle down a while after the launch of the "5" you might be lucky and see the 4S around the £350 mark for the 16Gb version. If of course your good lady really wouldn't consider a GSII 16Gb for around £325? :P
"Your correspondent has a parenting-related reason to get to a local Apple store...........
" ......................when the phones go on sale, so we'll drop in to see what transpires. ®"
We believe you, thousands wouldn't, but we believe you. :-P
Re: "New customers" Careful, if you display too much of that kind of intelligence and common.......
...........sense your chances of achieving a lucrative career as an analyst will be zero - those companies do not appear to have much time for employing people who show any signs of joined thinking.
If I ruled the world every day would be the first day of spring and..................
..............on the second day all the
lying snakeoil salesmen analysts would be lined up against a wall and shot. I am so piss tired of reading the largely totally useless and usually wholly inaccurate spewing of this bunch of overpaid crystal ball fiddlers that I do not know where to begin to express my feelings on the subject. <rant over>
Re: A reference only likely to be significant to people................"
I freely admit that I had the advantage of having a Norwegian mother who told me those tales in Norwegian (I was born and grew up in England) when I was a very little chap. She actually had a second edition of Asbjørnsen and Moe's collection of folk-tales which she read from to me. I will admit that at that age I occasionally felt sorry for the troll who usually was made a fool or came to a sticky end.
"Samsung and Nokia may not feel they’ve been leapfrogged.......
.....................in the way they have been by some Apple unveils"
They have absolutely no need to feel that way because they haven't - at all. However, it remains to be seen what happens in the market place. This Autumn promises to be very interesting indeed.
@AC 13th Sept 2012 09:13 GMT "I just wish they wouldn't force it on us everywhere"
Try "Classic Shell" from Sourceforge, it's free. (El Reg took a look at it and liked what they saw):
It gives you the start-menu and moreover its default setting (which can be changed) ensures that it boots directly to desk-top. As a desktop os it's pretty good - very nippy. As far as the touch-ui performance in the functional sense goes (as different from its appearance which I freely confess reminds me of a Barrett's Liquorice Allsorts Christmas Collection as far as the colours are concerned) I think that reserving judgement until we have actually had some time with kit optimised for Win8 and multitouch might be an idea. I have it installed on a (crappy) Acer W500 and even on that the touch ui appears to work decently, but, and it's a big but, it's how it actually performs on the new kit that is the question.
@NorthernCoder Re:"I for one prefer my herrings pickled. Accompanied by Skåne Akvavit."
Ah yes, now we are talking. Sursild, sennepsild, tomatsild and any number of other delicious local recipes/versions - and they don't stink! I have say though that my choice of beverage to go with them is Trondheim Jubileum Akvavit (ice cold for my personal preference), the combination with the aforementioned delicacies is "snadder" as they say up here.
Re:"A reference only likely to be significant to people................"
Also just about every child in Norway, Sweden and Denmark where is has been a much loved fairy tale for a very long time. In Norway (where it is believed to have originated) it is known as "De tre bukkene Bruse" and belonged to the oral tradition being first set down in writing in the early 1840s by Peter Christen Asbjørnsen and Jørgen Moe. Indeed it is generally regarded as one of the most popular and well known fairy tales in the Germanic language group's (basically covers most of Northern and Western Europe) entire folk-tale canon.
Re:"people who are nice and people who are ars*holes."
I agree with what the author is saying about the pointlessness/undesirability of the suggested legislation against trolling in general and I agree up to a point with what you have posted. I would simply point out that in real life arseholes are generally a little more cautious about what they say, when they say it and to whom - after all a smack in the mouth is not a very pleasant experience even for trolls. My personal reaction to the seriously nasty kind of trolling we sometimes see on the net is a strong feeling of contempt for the cowardice these arseholes display. I am not sure I feel like having to get "used to" some pig commenting on someone from my family who has just died (referred to in the article). I would not demand legislation, of course not. However, "used to it"? No, I feel no such inclination and if the identity of troll concerned were known to me and he came within in hand's reach he might very well discover just how "unused to it" I am prepared to feel.
@Steve Evans "Re:headline"
Given that the iPhone5 has been launched most of half a year later than the SGIII it does in fact partly explain why Cupertino is so worried. The specs etc of Sammy's offering make it look as if it was in fact the other way around and the SGIII was the newer phone. One gets that impression that Apple are beginning to fall behind a bit. It's still a very nice high end phone but it most certainly does not stand out of the pack any more.
Re:"Why would you stick a brand new, bloated OS on a low-power cpu? "
The tablet version of Clover trail can (although dual core) can under certain tasks "emulate" a quad core cpu. It is in fact rather more powerful than previous atoms (although I admit that would not be hard) and significantly less battery demanding. Other criticisms of Win8 to one side, bloated it certainly is not. It is in fact respectably more power efficient and noticeably nippier than Win7. You have of course tried it on a tablet yourself that was previously running Win7 so you could make a direct comparison, just like I have?
The last leaked road map I saw..............
................implied middle of 2013 some time.
"At some point in the future - Intel's not saying precisely when - a new architecture produced at 22nm will be introduced to supersede it. The new tablet-centric version is codenamed Bay Trail. ®"
If they are not talking about a die shrink of Clover trail first followed by a architecture change with Bay trail, it implies a new architecture combined with a die shrink in one hit. If the leaks are within hailing distance of reality that combination of tick and tock will deliver a hell of a jump in both processing and graphics as well as a very big improvement in power efficiency.
Re: "Are a million one-cymbal monkeys louder than one one-cymbal monkey?"
Are we talking a ZenPhone here?
@Passive Smoking Re:"One of those retro 70s ones with the big chunky 9 digit keypad......."
Ah I see. You're planning to wait until the iPhone 6 comes out.
Re: "XP was as secure as you wanted it to be" I agree, with the reservation that we are........
............talking about XP after SP1, and particularly after SP2. IMHO XP before those service packs was as buggy, unstable and insecure as all get out. After those SPs it became (for its time) a very fine os - it served me well at any rate for many years thereafter (Pro version).
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